As long as GULC requires their janitor-to-practice program to have a JD, it counts baby.laotze wrote:I'm talking bar passage-required employment. Last I checked Cornell had like a 15-20% lead over GULC.Desert Fox wrote:Employment stats are BS. Gtown just has to pay all their nojerbs 8.50 an hour to clean the floors and bam! 100%.laotze wrote:No accounting for Cornell's significant employment advantage over GULC?Lavitz wrote: As I expected, it looks like Georgetown would pass Cornell. There's a pretty big gap there.
I wonder if Cornell would stop spending so much on faculty and start spending more on scholarships to get its medians back up.
EDIT: Only about 12%, not as dramatic as I thought.
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http://money-law.blogspot.com/2010/12/z ... n-law.html
a later model for the z scores. I haven't found a newer one yet.
What stands out for me is how Stanford would likely be passed by Columbia based on other raw numbers. Also, Stanford seems to get a huge bump for bar passage thanks to being in a difficult bar state.
a later model for the z scores. I haven't found a newer one yet.
What stands out for me is how Stanford would likely be passed by Columbia based on other raw numbers. Also, Stanford seems to get a huge bump for bar passage thanks to being in a difficult bar state.
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Remove expenditures and use real tuition, hopefully creating a ranking system that includes T14>cheap public schools with crappy placement> overpriced privates with crappy placement.
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Thanks for this.The Brainalist wrote:http://money-law.blogspot.com/2010/12/z ... n-law.html
a later model for the z scores. I haven't found a newer one yet.
I retract my previous statement. Gap between Cornell and GULC vanished that year. Don't know what to expect then.
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This one is perfect for you.MarkinKansasCity wrote:hmmmmm. What classes would Yale offer? How to be President? I would totally enroll in that.Samara wrote:Student/faculty ratio holds little relevance in law school. Do you know how many worthless classes Yale offers? That's not what makes a school good.jbagelboy wrote:Student/faculty ratio is still important.
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Newest version I could findThe Brainalist wrote:I can't find it, but I once read an article about why Yale always has and always will be number 1 in USNEWS, and it was basically because it has a huge advantage in expenditures. The idea of it is now rehashed every year, but here is one blog from a few years ago that explains it.
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Guess its gonna be VCC. Funny how they got shit for manipulating rankings
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Does anybody have any good ideas on what things to measure in place of expenditures? (Other than jerbs, that's a different discussion.)
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Tuition cost would be awesome. I'd like to see schools start competing downwards on that.Cicero76 wrote:Does anybody have any good ideas on what things to measure in place of expenditures? (Other than jerbs, that's a different discussion.)
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Sure the bathrooms might not be cleaned very well, but the janitorial procedures would be some of the best written in the industry.Desert Fox wrote: As long as GULC requires their janitor-to-practice program to have a JD, it counts baby.
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I'm not interested until somebody's rankings consist exclusively of (Percent of class that can get Biglaw if they want it / Total COA). US News can make changes on the margins and regardless should still be entirely ignored.
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Isn't that more or less the ATL metric?Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:I'm not interested until somebody's rankings consist exclusively of (Percent of class that can get Biglaw if they want it / Total COA). US News can make changes on the margins and regardless should still be entirely ignored.
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I like to think we are beyond the point where people blindly rely on the USNWR rankings. However, I don't care about the decisionmaking of future law students. USNEWS is an huge advertisement for law schools and infiltrates mainstream consciousness. It basically creates lay perception in some instances. So, I have a horse in the race and I root for it. The spoils of such a victory are the oohs and aaahs of many tiger moms.
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Wow you're dumb.The Brainalist wrote: However, I don't care about the decisionmaking of future law students.
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LOLtimbs4339 wrote:Wow you're dumb.The Brainalist wrote: However, I don't care about the decisionmaking of future law students.
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No, their metric doesn't distinguish biglaw from shitlaw, just so long as its full time JD required.laotze wrote:Isn't that more or less the ATL metric?Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:I'm not interested until somebody's rankings consist exclusively of (Percent of class that can get Biglaw if they want it / Total COA). US News can make changes on the margins and regardless should still be entirely ignored.
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I'd leave Akhil Amar's Reading the Constitution off this list. An in-depth study of the Constitution and various methods of constitutional interpretation with one of the nation's foremost scholars on the issue sounds like a pretty good use of time in law school.Samara wrote:This one is perfect for you.MarkinKansasCity wrote:hmmmmm. What classes would Yale offer? How to be President? I would totally enroll in that.Samara wrote:Student/faculty ratio holds little relevance in law school. Do you know how many worthless classes Yale offers? That's not what makes a school good.jbagelboy wrote:Student/faculty ratio is still important.
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I only put that one on there because I thought the title and course description was humorously over-the-top.LeeAdama wrote:I'd leave Akhil Amar's Reading the Constitution off this list. An in-depth study of the Constitution and various methods of constitutional interpretation with one of the nation's foremost scholars on the issue sounds like a pretty good use of time in law school.
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That's pretty brilliantJay Obee wrote:Tuition cost would be awesome. I'd like to see schools start competing downwards on that.Cicero76 wrote:Does anybody have any good ideas on what things to measure in place of expenditures? (Other than jerbs, that's a different discussion.)
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Goodbye HYS, hello BYU/UND/SULC?Cicero76 wrote:That's pretty brilliantJay Obee wrote:Tuition cost would be awesome. I'd like to see schools start competing downwards on that.Cicero76 wrote:Does anybody have any good ideas on what things to measure in place of expenditures? (Other than jerbs, that's a different discussion.)
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Where do you go to school again?The Brainalist wrote:I like to think we are beyond the point where people blindly rely on the USNWR rankings. However, I don't care about the decisionmaking of future law students. USNEWS is an huge advertisement for law schools and infiltrates mainstream consciousness. It basically creates lay perception in some instances. So, I have a horse in the race and I root for it. The spoils of such a victory are the oohs and aaahs of many tiger moms.
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I don't know why it's not on his CV, but he clerked for Breyer when he was on the First Circuit. Amar's always rumored to be on a shortlist for SCOTUS whenever there's an opening under a Democrat.ajax adonis wrote:I just looked at his CV out of curiosity. Dude got a 4.0 at Yale?? What the heck: http://www.law.yale.edu/faculty/amarcurriculumvitae.htmLeeAdama wrote: I'd leave Akhil Amar's Reading the Constitution off this list. An in-depth study of the Constitution and various methods of constitutional interpretation with one of the nation's foremost scholars on the issue sounds like a pretty good use of time in law school.
I sometimes see this and wonder why the prof didn't clerk at all. It seems like he was an American citizen; he was born in Michigan.
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If this happens, then it's time for Asha to dump the holistic-focus crap and push the LSAT median up to 175.
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Serious question: Does Yale actually care about being USNWR #1? Would they have to deal with shit from alumni if they lost it? Or would they be as DGAF about their medians as Stanford is?Ti Malice wrote:If this happens, then it's time for Asha to dump the holistic-focus crap and push the LSAT median up to 175.
Also, Yale has the distinct advantage of not having to worry about Harvard's medians because they could easily screw up Harvard's 173 by just not leaving any more of those "godly numbers" candidates out in the cold to get scooped up by Harvard.
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