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Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:44 pm
by pkpapn
Resident of Iowa City currently (attended Iowa for undergrad). Probably wouldn't want to work in Iowa (unless high pay in Des Moines), but not too against it. Would also love Chicago area.
I've heard a lot about going to the highest ranked school you get into. It seems like everybody on TLS is going to a T14 and that's apparently the only way to go.
But is going to a T14 worth passing up on full-ride at Iowa (#26 so still T1)?
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:03 pm
by letsjustsee
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Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:09 pm
by PRgradBYU
letsjustsee wrote:What would your total COA (do not forget accumulated interest) for all three be? What are your stats, and how many times have you taken the LSAT? ... [G]ive us your total COA and how you would be funding this (family aid, savings, loans, etc.).
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:11 pm
by sinfiery
So, you are okay with working in Iowa? I'm confused.
Iowa is the better financial decision. I'd go to NU only if you were biglaw or bust. Or, of course, you don't want to work in Iowa your whole life.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:06 pm
by BigZuck
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=206299
Please following instructions. Sounds like you don't want to work in Iowa so I wouldn't go there. Other two schools are too expensive IMO but if you aren't debt averse then YOLO, pick your favorite.
*disclaimer- not attending a T14
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:28 pm
by Monochromatic Oeuvre
Is retaking a possibility? An ED at NU could wind up being a great choice for you, potentially, if that could happen.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:49 pm
by Nova
OP wrote: I just finished my sophomore year of undergrad. I plan to take the June 2014 test and only take it once. My ultimate goal is a 170..
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 7#p6789387
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:50 pm
by KD35
A lot of the TLS'ers don't attend T14. Obviously, with the title "Top-Law-Schools," there are a large amount of T14ers, but your situation is one that I can see as a justified reason to go to a non-T14 (Iowa), if you are okay with working in Iowa/the region for a good amount of time.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:51 pm
by Nova
But is going to a T14 worth passing up on full-ride at Iowa (#26 so still T1)?
Forget ranking. Lots of lower ranked flagships are pretty much as good as Iowa. State flagship + ties + $$$/$ is usually an reasonable course of action. But like Sin said, your friend should want to live there long term.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:04 pm
by pkpapn
The thread you linked actually refers to me and my situation.
This thread is the situation of someone else who does not use these forums but wanted me to ask the opinions of users on these forums to help answer his predicament. Notice I never used the word "I" until the line where I talked about what I've heard on these forums. In fact I completely avoided the use of personal pronouns when describing the situation. This is because the last time I made a topic trying to refer to someone else using the term "SWIM", I ended up getting a lot of complaints and confusion. This time, I thought I would simply leave it ambiguous so people couldn't complain.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:12 pm
by Grazzhoppa
NU 10k not a question.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:45 pm
by pkpapn
The other question was whether it would be a better decision to attend Iowa based on the presumption that there is a better chance to graduate in the top 10% (or higher) of the class at Iowa rather than at Northwestern or Michigan. Class rank greatly determines job offerings, correct?
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:47 pm
by Nova
Would your friend consider living in Iowa long term a good outcome?
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:25 pm
by BigZuck
pkpapn wrote:The other question was whether it would be a better decision to attend Iowa based on the presumption that there is a better chance to graduate in the top 10% (or higher) of the class at Iowa rather than at Northwestern or Michigan. Class rank greatly determines job offerings, correct?
wut
This thread is weird and I don't like it. Tell your friend to make an account and post. Also, tell them to follow directions.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:31 pm
by Nova
pkpapn wrote:The other question was whether it would be a better decision to attend Iowa based on the presumption that there is a better chance to graduate in the top 10% (or higher) of the class at Iowa rather than at Northwestern or Michigan. Class rank greatly determines job offerings, correct?
Your friend should not take that into consideration. You cant predict law school rank. You can also rank much lower at NU/M and get a favorable outcome.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:31 pm
by empyreanrrv
pkpapn wrote:The other question was whether it would be a better decision to attend Iowa based on the presumption that there is a better chance to graduate in the top 10% (or higher) of the class at Iowa rather than at Northwestern or Michigan. Class rank greatly determines job offerings, correct?
You can't assume where you will graduate in the class so don't use that as a factor in making a decision. Pick Iowa if you don't care about biglaw and want to stay there. Pick NW if you wouldn't be happy without biglaw, or if you couldn't live in Iowa.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:45 pm
by Monochromatic Oeuvre
empyreanrrv wrote:pkpapn wrote:The other question was whether it would be a better decision to attend Iowa based on the presumption that there is a better chance to graduate in the top 10% (or higher) of the class at Iowa rather than at Northwestern or Michigan. Class rank greatly determines job offerings, correct?
You can't assume where you will graduate in the class so don't use that as a factor in making a decision. Pick Iowa if you don't care about biglaw and want to stay there. Pick NW if you wouldn't be happy without biglaw, or if you couldn't live in Iowa.
I don't agree. The correlation between GPA/LSAT factored together and 1L grades was historically .55. You can't be assured of doing well by virtue of higher incoming numbers, but it is more likely. Applicants should be aware of factual reasons behind risks, but also the benefits they may have.
That said, the expected placing differential between Iowa and NU/Mich isn't big enough to by itself make the decision. Any firm would go deep into the NU/Mich class before hiring Iowa grads in significant numbers.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:49 pm
by pkpapn
He doesn't necessarily have a problem with living in Iowa if it produced a high paying job. Money is a pretty big priority for him. If biglaw is necessary for big money, that's where he will go.
Also, I post on his behalf not because he demands it, but because I get a benefit out of these answers too. He attended college with me ( I am also at Iowa) , and we have almost identical GPAs. Thus if, I score similarly on the LSAT, these answers could prove useful to me too someday.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:54 pm
by Holly Golightly
How much do you want to be in Chicago versus Iowa?
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:55 pm
by pkpapn
Holly Golightly wrote:How much do you want to be in Chicago versus Iowa?
As much as the difference in salary. The actual area doesn't really matter. Chicago is close enough to his family to not be considered a hindrance.
That being said, I've heard Des Moines has an excellent legal market comparatively to many other places, and it's one of the wealthiest metropolitan areas in the country.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:03 pm
by empyreanrrv
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:empyreanrrv wrote:pkpapn wrote:The other question was whether it would be a better decision to attend Iowa based on the presumption that there is a better chance to graduate in the top 10% (or higher) of the class at Iowa rather than at Northwestern or Michigan. Class rank greatly determines job offerings, correct?
You can't assume where you will graduate in the class so don't use that as a factor in making a decision. Pick Iowa if you don't care about biglaw and want to stay there. Pick NW if you wouldn't be happy without biglaw, or if you couldn't live in Iowa.
I don't agree. The correlation between GPA/LSAT factored together and 1L grades was historically .55. You can't be assured of doing well by virtue of higher incoming numbers, but it is more likely. Applicants should be aware of factual reasons behind risks, but also the benefits they may have.
That said, the expected placing differential between Iowa and NU/Mich isn't big enough to by itself make the decision. Any firm would go deep into the NU/Mich class before hiring Iowa grads in significant numbers.
A correlation exists, but OP can't pick Iowa with the assumption that he will be top of the class. It is not strong enough to be a significant factor in making a decision.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:30 pm
by BigZuck
pkpapn wrote:Holly Golightly wrote:How much do you want to be in Chicago versus Iowa?
As much as the difference in salary. The actual area doesn't really matter. Chicago is close enough to his family to not be considered a hindrance.
That being said, I've heard Des Moines has an excellent legal market comparatively to many other places, and it's one of the wealthiest metropolitan areas in the country.
Iowa is a flyover state, I doubt BIG DES MOINES is that much of a thing.
If he wants DES BIG MONEY he needs to go to NU or Michigan to have a shot at that. Most likely outcome out of Iowa is making like 40-50K.
You have yet to follow directions. This thread has gone on long enough, please stop. Have your friend post a proper thread if he wants proper feedback.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:38 am
by worldtraveler
pkpapn wrote:Holly Golightly wrote:How much do you want to be in Chicago versus Iowa?
As much as the difference in salary. The actual area doesn't really matter. Chicago is close enough to his family to not be considered a hindrance.
That being said,
I've heard Des Moines has an excellent legal market comparatively to many other places, and it's one of the wealthiest metropolitan areas in the country.
Did you hear that from shitboomer Iowans? Those are the only possible people who would say that.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:31 am
by pkpapn
worldtraveler wrote:pkpapn wrote:Holly Golightly wrote:How much do you want to be in Chicago versus Iowa?
As much as the difference in salary. The actual area doesn't really matter. Chicago is close enough to his family to not be considered a hindrance.
That being said,
I've heard Des Moines has an excellent legal market comparatively to many other places, and it's one of the wealthiest metropolitan areas in the country.
Did you hear that from shitboomer Iowans? Those are the only possible people who would say that.
I'll pardon your ignorance. According to USNews (the source you trust for your law school rankings),
"but Des Moines, Iowa, is--at least by one measure--the richest metropolitan area in America"
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... al-incomes
I go to the University of Iowa too. The only people wealthier than the parents of the kids from Chicago are the ones from Des Moines. It almost seems as if everyone from that city has parents that are multi-millionaires. I've even met a couple guys from billionaire families here.
BigZuck wrote:
Iowa is a flyover state, I doubt BIG DES MOINES is that much of a thing.
If he wants DES BIG MONEY he needs to go to NU or Michigan to have a shot at that. Most likely outcome out of Iowa is making like 40-50K.
You have yet to follow directions. This thread has gone on long enough, please stop. Have your friend post a proper thread if he wants proper feedback.
It appears i overestimate the knowledge held by some of the posters here. I will comply with your request and let this topic die.
Re: Iowa with full-ride, Northwestern/$10k,or michigan sticker?
Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:41 am
by Nova
Advise your friend to go to the T14, since money is more important than location to them.
USNews (the source you trust for your law school rankings),
No