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BitterSplitter wrote:Not retaking. Not reapplying.

Don't wanna live or work in Minn if I can help it. NY LA DC SF are the four major markets I'm interested in. Boston also. Big law or bust more or less. High interest in politics but no concrete plans for it. M&A is the end goal right now. Please advise with reasoning.

NoodleyOne wrote:http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=minnesota

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=gw

Okay, when you factor school-funded out of GW, their employment outcomes are pretty much the same, but GW has a better chance at Biglaw. Still, we're talking only a 2 in 3 chance at being a lawyer at either (assuming GW's school-funded is of the scam variety... admittedly very conservative outlook).

I don't like either of these options. Is taking a few years off and getting some WE an option? That could give you time for a retake, distance yourself from your GPA, and give you a better shot at the T14 (especially NU). Your GPA is really going to hold you back.

Edit: Another option would be to ask Minny if they'll defer you for a year, find out how to get residency, move there and get said residency, then enjoy dat in-state tuition and nearly a free ride.

jbagelboy wrote:I read somewhere you posted that you were making ~$60K at a firm right now. so sticking with that might be best.

The 84K at UMN is a good outcome for your stats. Doesn't make it a good option for your goals, but oh well that's the situation you're in. Minnesota is a better school than GW IMO. They can actually get you a legal job (albeit not a biglaw one) in the twin cities if you try. I would take sinf's advice and go to minnesota, try to establish residency (although without ties this won't come into play until 3L if at all), suck up the shitty winters and fight to graduate top quarter of your class, work at Dorsey then lateral out to Chicago when you get the chance.

The road to your goals won't be clear either way, so if you want to practice biglaw you're going to have to deal with the insecurity of probably not getting it and use that energy to motivate you to do better than everyone else. I don't know what else to say, there's no guarantee of success for you here but you knew that when you tanked your undergrad GPA.

Minneapolis is actually a nice city and at minimum you will have a decent QoL for a few years as a law student. just get a motherfuckin winter coat cause IT BE FREEZING LIKE A BITCH

BitterSplitter wrote:Not retaking. Not reapplying.

Don't wanna live or work in Minn if I can help it. NY LA DC SF are the four major markets I'm interested in. Boston also. Big law or bust more or less. High interest in politics but no concrete plans for it. M&A is the end goal right now. Please advise.

BitterSplitter wrote:Not retaking. Not reapplying.

Don't wanna live or work in Minn if I can help it. NY LA DC SF are the four major markets I'm interested in. Boston also. Big law or bust more or less. High interest in politics but no concrete plans for it. M&A is the end goal right now. Please advise.

NoodleyOne wrote:http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=minnesota

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=gw

Okay, when you factor school-funded out of GW, their employment outcomes are pretty much the same, but GW has a better chance at Biglaw. Still, we're talking only a 2 in 3 chance at being a lawyer at either (assuming GW's school-funded is of the scam variety... admittedly very conservative outlook).

I don't like either of these options. Is taking a few years off and getting some WE an option? That could give you time for a retake, distance yourself from your GPA, and give you a better shot at the T14 (especially NU). Your GPA is really going to hold you back.

Edit: Another option would be to ask Minny if they'll defer you for a year, find out how to get residency, move there and get said residency, then enjoy dat in-state tuition and nearly a free ride.

rad lulz wrote:don't go to law school

Dr. Dre wrote:

rad lulz wrote:don't go to law school

timbs4339 wrote:You need to seriously readjust your career goals and apply to some lower ranked places for near to a full ride. The bigcity biglaw boat has sailed. Sorry.

Kalinda wrote:

jbagelboy wrote:I read somewhere you posted that you were making ~$60K at a firm right now. so sticking with that might be best.

The 84K at UMN is a good outcome for your stats. Doesn't make it a good option for your goals, but oh well that's the situation you're in. Minnesota is a better school than GW IMO. They can actually get you a legal job (albeit not a biglaw one) in the twin cities if you try. I would take sinf's advice and go to minnesota, try to establish residency (although without ties this won't come into play until 3L if at all), suck up the shitty winters and fight to graduate top quarter of your class, work at Dorsey then lateral out to Chicago when you get the chance.

The road to your goals won't be clear either way, so if you want to practice biglaw you're going to have to deal with the insecurity of probably not getting it and use that energy to motivate you to do better than everyone else. I don't know what else to say, there's no guarantee of success for you here but you knew that when you tanked your undergrad GPA.

Minneapolis is actually a nice city and at minimum you will have a decent QoL for a few years as a law student. just get a motherfuckin winter coat cause IT BE FREEZING LIKE A BITCH

Minneapolis is a great city, and is definitely underrated. Some people have suggested moving to Minnesota to establish residency and get a job for a year, is that a possibility for you? If yes, then go for it.

Dorsey is a big firm in Minneapolis that UMN students gun for, but also Minnesota natives who attend school in different states (T14). Doing well enough to get Dorsey and then lateral to Chicago is DIFFICULT. You would have to be at least top 15% of your UMN class (maybe lower if you have great WE). All of that sounds like a really big gamble. GW is also a gamble, but if you are COMPLETELY opposed to being in the Twin Cities for work, I don't know how much UMN can do for you unless you have connections elsewhere. I know GW at sticker is an immediate NO on this forum, but I can't recommend UMN knowing you are against living in MN in the long term, because the degree is not portable to SF/NYC/DC/CHI unless you have some real connections.

Dr. Dre wrote:

rad lulz wrote:don't go to law school

Kalinda wrote:

jbagelboy wrote:I read somewhere you posted that you were making ~$60K at a firm right now. so sticking with that might be best.

The 84K at UMN is a good outcome for your stats. Doesn't make it a good option for your goals, but oh well that's the situation you're in. Minnesota is a better school than GW IMO. They can actually get you a legal job (albeit not a biglaw one) in the twin cities if you try. I would take sinf's advice and go to minnesota, try to establish residency (although without ties this won't come into play until 3L if at all), suck up the shitty winters and fight to graduate top quarter of your class, work at Dorsey then lateral out to Chicago when you get the chance.

The road to your goals won't be clear either way, so if you want to practice biglaw you're going to have to deal with the insecurity of probably not getting it and use that energy to motivate you to do better than everyone else. I don't know what else to say, there's no guarantee of success for you here but you knew that when you tanked your undergrad GPA.

Minneapolis is actually a nice city and at minimum you will have a decent QoL for a few years as a law student. just get a motherfuckin winter coat cause IT BE FREEZING LIKE A BITCH

Minneapolis is a great city, and is definitely underrated. Some people have suggested moving to Minnesota to establish residency and get a job for a year, is that a possibility for you? If yes, then go for it.

Dorsey is a big firm in Minneapolis that UMN students gun for, but also Minnesota natives who attend school in different states (T14). Doing well enough to get Dorsey and then lateral to Chicago is DIFFICULT. You would have to be at least top 15% of your UMN class (maybe lower if you have great WE). All of that sounds like a really big gamble. GW is also a gamble, but if you are COMPLETELY opposed to being in the Twin Cities for work, I don't know how much UMN can do for you unless you have connections elsewhere. I know GW at sticker is an immediate NO on this forum, but I can't recommend UMN knowing you are against living in MN in the long term, because the degree is not portable to SF/NYC/DC/CHI unless you have some real connections.