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+1Clearlynotstefan wrote:No stats are going to do C justice in this case. Self-selection is going to skew it to appear G outplaces C in Gov, which numerically is possibly true, but I'd be willing to bet a student at C has a better shot for your goals.
BruceWayne wrote:This is the kind of position where the TLS self created rankings will really misguide you. There is no such thing as "CCN" for non NYC biglaw jobs. Bigfed, and pretty much everyone else other than NYC biglaw, only see HYS and then the rest of the top 14 (and private non NYC biglaw legal employers lean towards the top 14 in their region).
BidFed employers really, really, really will not care whether you attend CLS or Georgetown. What they will care about is whether you are above or below the median at either school. Being below the median at CLS will screw you for BigGov just as much as it will at GULC. They will want to see high grades, journals, and demonstrated interest (i.e. clinics in the area of the law that the agency practices in and internships with fed gov as well as pro bono work). If you want the name of your school to give you a huge boost for BigGov you need to go to Harvard, Yale, or Stanford. Other than that which top 14 you go to won't matter--except for the fact that it's easier to get the demonstrated interest portion of your app checked off by going to GULC because you can volunteer during the semester with the fed gov.
The statistics you posted are misleading for YHS in the same way that "NJL 250" statistics are misleading for HYS. They survey grads a year out of law school. HYS students who are going to be working in BigGov are likely spending this year clerking, doing a Heyman fellowship, or something of the sort. It's absurd to think that only 7 YLS and 3 Stanford grads are going to end up in government out of any given class year.The Brainalist wrote:BruceWayne wrote:This is the kind of position where the TLS self created rankings will really misguide you. There is no such thing as "CCN" for non NYC biglaw jobs. Bigfed, and pretty much everyone else other than NYC biglaw, only see HYS and then the rest of the top 14 (and private non NYC biglaw legal employers lean towards the top 14 in their region).
BidFed employers really, really, really will not care whether you attend CLS or Georgetown. What they will care about is whether you are above or below the median at either school. Being below the median at CLS will screw you for BigGov just as much as it will at GULC. They will want to see high grades, journals, and demonstrated interest (i.e. clinics in the area of the law that the agency practices in and internships with fed gov as well as pro bono work). If you want the name of your school to give you a huge boost for BigGov you need to go to Harvard, Yale, or Stanford. Other than that which top 14 you go to won't matter--except for the fact that it's easier to get the demonstrated interest portion of your app checked off by going to GULC because you can volunteer during the semester with the fed gov.
The statistics I posted don't necessarily show that it is a better idea to choose GULC over Columbia for government, but they certainly don't support that people from YSH get a huge boost over somewhere like Columbia. I'd really love to see your support for the idea that somewhere like the DOJ is falling over itself to take a bottom of the class harvard student yet really only requires good grades, journals, and demonstrated interest from a Columbia candidate.
Citation needed.Clearlynotstefan wrote:No stats are going to do C justice in this case. Self-selection is going to skew it to appear G outplaces C in Gov, which numerically is possibly true, but I'd be willing to bet a student at C has a better shot for your goals.
TITCRBruceWayne wrote:This is the kind of position where the TLS self created rankings will really misguide you. There is no such thing as "CCN" for non NYC biglaw jobs. Bigfed, and pretty much everyone else other than NYC biglaw, only see HYS and then the rest of the top 14 (and private non NYC biglaw legal employers lean towards the top 14 in their region).
BidFed employers really, really, really will not care whether you attend CLS or Georgetown. What they will care about is whether you are above or below the median at either school. Being below the median at CLS will screw you for BigGov just as much as it will at GULC. They will want to see high grades, journals, and demonstrated interest (i.e. clinics in the area of the law that the agency practices in and internships with fed gov as well as pro bono work). If you want the name of your school to give you a huge boost for BigGov you need to go to Harvard, Yale, or Stanford. Other than that which top 14 you go to won't matter--except for the fact that it's easier to get the demonstrated interest portion of your app checked off by going to GULC because you can volunteer during the semester with the fed gov.
Of course.Monty The Dog wrote:
The statistics you posted are misleading for YHS in the same way that "NJL 250" statistics are misleading for HYS. They survey grads a year out of law school. HYS students who are going to be working in BigGov are likely spending this year clerking, doing a Heyman fellowship, or something of the sort. It's absurd to think that only 7 YLS and 3 Stanford grads are going to end up in government out of any given class year.
I tend to agree. I'm not sure it is to your benefit to be competing with so many people from your own school for the same job. I'd prefer to look like an apple competing against an orange rather than two oranges striving to differentiate. Too much of that at OCI already.moonman157 wrote:There are still factors to consider other than which school is deemed more "prestigious" by BigGov. Personally, if I was gunning for BigGov, I'd rather be at the school with a lot less students and a student body that is more likely to self-select into areas other than BigGov.