CHI/PENN/UVA/UT
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:02 pm
What do you think TLS?
Goals?
Probably Penn though.
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Sorry about that, I knew I forgot something.sinfiery wrote:Goals?
Probably Penn though.
If Northwestern lets me in off their waitlist, I'll let you know. Really wish there was an NU-type option for UT money, but that didn't happen.Micdiddy wrote:Shouldn't there be a mid-option? Like Duke or NU with 120k? Seems weird that it's basically t8 near sticker, or Texas. Quite the leap in schools.
With that said yeah Penn.
Yeah, scholarship negotiation will certainly occur (at least, I hope it will).Doorkeeper wrote:All of these options suck. $210-280k is a ridiculous sum of money to be paying for these schools.
So long as NYC biglaw is a satisfactory outcome for you, go Penn. Clerkship rate between the schools is pretty negligible (10% vs. 14%). If you really, really prefer Chicago, then go UChicago.
Try to negotiate any scholarship money you got from UVA or Penn with Chicago.
If you want biglaw, especially biglaw outside of Texas, UT isn't viable. They have 28% biglaw placement, as opposed to Penn's 67% placement.Badges!?! wrote:Also, just to be clear, the dollar figure range is $143k-280k. I realize the only T-14 choices start in the $210K neighborhood, but I do consider Texas to be a viable option.
maybe if he REALLY wants a clerkshipWokeUpInACar wrote:I can't see Chicago being worth 70k more than Penn.
10% vs. 14% chance. That's not worth $70k.shifty_eyed wrote:maybe if he REALLY wants a clerkshipWokeUpInACar wrote:I can't see Chicago being worth 70k more than Penn.
Weird. Numbers? Urm? This may become another retake and reapply thread before long...Badges!?! wrote:If Northwestern lets me in off their waitlist, I'll let you know. Really wish there was an NU-type option for UT money, but that didn't happen.Micdiddy wrote:Shouldn't there be a mid-option? Like Duke or NU with 120k? Seems weird that it's basically t8 near sticker, or Texas. Quite the leap in schools.
With that said yeah Penn.
Huh. For some reason I thought Chicago had much higher clerkship numbers.Doorkeeper wrote:10% vs. 14% chance. That's not worth $70k.shifty_eyed wrote:maybe if he REALLY wants a clerkshipWokeUpInACar wrote:I can't see Chicago being worth 70k more than Penn.
Applications were sent in early November a day or two after the release of the October LSAT. I think I hit 12 of the T-14 (Application results are in the splitter thread, so I'll spare posting them all here).northwood wrote:that is a lot of money to pay. when did you apply? did you apply to other schools? I am debt averse, so I personally would REAPPLY on September 1 and apply al over the t14, plus your state flagship and the state flagship school where you want to end up.
I don't either, especially if COA is calculated correctly.Nelson wrote:Meh I don't think that price for Penn is that outrageous but maybe I'm rationalizing.
No they don't. This site has become so elitist it is just absurd. The OP will likely have better outcomes in his career than at least 90% of people who attend law school. Paying down debt is undesirable, but is worth doing with a degree from a top ten law school.Doorkeeper wrote:All of these options suck.
We'll see how you feel on the other side with $300k in loans and a biglaw job. Many of my friends can attest that a Penn or UChicago law degree isn't solace when those bills come in the mail.UtilityMonster wrote:No they don't. This site has become so elitist it is just absurd. The OP will likely have better outcomes in his career than at least 90% of people who attend law school. Paying down debt is undesirable, but is worth doing with a degree from a top ten law school.Doorkeeper wrote:All of these options suck.
But your Harvard degree is solace enough I suppose?Doorkeeper wrote:We'll see how you feel on the other side with $300k in loans and a biglaw job. Many of my friends can attest that a Penn or UChicago law degree isn't solace when those bills come in the mail.UtilityMonster wrote:No they don't. This site has become so elitist it is just absurd. The OP will likely have better outcomes in his career than at least 90% of people who attend law school. Paying down debt is undesirable, but is worth doing with a degree from a top ten law school.Doorkeeper wrote:All of these options suck.
Doorkeeper wrote:All of these options suck. $210-280k is a ridiculous sum of money to be paying for these schools.
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Regulus wrote:Doorkeeper, although I usually agree with most of the stuff you post on this site, I kind of wonder why you feel that the OP's options "suck" in this case. Unless you are working under the presumption that sticker at HYS also sucks, I am not sure how can justify your statement. Based on this, which is in turn based on the ABA data, the difference between Penn (77.04%), Harvard (71.36%), and Chicago (70.70%) in terms of BigLaw + AIII placement is within 6%. For article III clerkships alone, the difference between Harvard (17.80%), Chicago (14.42%), and Penn (10.37%) is still about 6%. I understand that YHS are >>> everything else, but if you consider what the OP has as "sucks," I wonder how you justify one of the top 3 to someone who doesn't qualify for need-based aid. With IBR and now PAYE, debt-pwnage is becoming less and less of an issue even if the amount of student loans is astronomical.