H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one) Forum
- callmemaybe84
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H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Okay, so I want to hear arguments from you all. I know I have an embarrassment of riches, but any thoughts on this debate (I've found a few).
Options:
HLS (160k expected debt, loans)
SLS (150k expected debt, loans)
Chicago (0k expected debt, Ruby)
I have scholarships and some minor savings that will finance all of this. Other than the loans.
In the short term: I want litigation, ideally in the DC market. Academia is something I'd love to do in the medium term (but I realize how fickle that market is), and getting a clerkship is very important to me.
Thoughts?
Options:
HLS (160k expected debt, loans)
SLS (150k expected debt, loans)
Chicago (0k expected debt, Ruby)
I have scholarships and some minor savings that will finance all of this. Other than the loans.
In the short term: I want litigation, ideally in the DC market. Academia is something I'd love to do in the medium term (but I realize how fickle that market is), and getting a clerkship is very important to me.
Thoughts?
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
take the money and run.
- sinfiery
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
3% increase in clerkship chances at H
14% increase in clerkship chances at S
neither, imo, are worth 150k+ in debt.
Unless DC is impossible from C and likely at one of H or S, take the money for your goals.
Financially speaking ofc.
14% increase in clerkship chances at S
neither, imo, are worth 150k+ in debt.
Unless DC is impossible from C and likely at one of H or S, take the money for your goals.
Financially speaking ofc.
- Lacepiece23
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
I'd only take Harvard if you wanted that lay prestige. For me it would be worth telling people that I went to Harvard. If your like normal people take the money and run.
- callmemaybe84
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
3 percent higher at HLS than Chicago? where are you getting that statistic?sinfiery wrote:3% increase in clerkship chances at H
14% increase in clerkship chances at S
neither, imo, are worth 150k+ in debt.
Unless DC is impossible from C and likely at one of H or S, take the money for your goals.
Financially speaking ofc.
For appellate Chicago averages 20, I'd imagine harvard (at under 3x size) averages well over 60...
And HLS/YLS own the DC Circuit. Not that that's a realistic clerking goal, but it's true...
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- sinfiery
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=206368
alternatively
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=harvard
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=chicago
no idea about DC specifically
alternatively
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=harvard
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=chicago
no idea about DC specifically
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- LSATSCORES2012
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Chicago placed 14.4% in federal clerkships, Harvard placed 17.8%, and Stanford placed 28.2% for the class of 2012.callmemaybe84 wrote:3 percent higher at HLS than Chicago? where are you getting that statistic?sinfiery wrote:3% increase in clerkship chances at H
14% increase in clerkship chances at S
neither, imo, are worth 150k+ in debt.
Unless DC is impossible from C and likely at one of H or S, take the money for your goals.
Financially speaking ofc.
For appellate Chicago averages 20, I'd imagine harvard (at under 3x size) averages well over 60...
And HLS/YLS own the DC Circuit. Not that that's a realistic clerking goal, but it's true...
Harvard placed 3.4 percentage points more than Chicago and Stanford placed 13.8 more percentage points.
ETA: Scooped
- gaud
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Ghost93 wrote:take the money and run.
- callmemaybe84
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Thanks. That's interesting, I honestly hadn't looked at data this recent. I'd always assumed about 10 percent of chicago vs about 18 percent hls and 25 percent sls.sinfiery wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=206368
alternatively
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=harvard
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=chicago
no idea about DC specifically
- sinfiery
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
H then SY seem to be stronger in down economies but employment outcomes become less and less variant between HYS and the rest in stronger economies
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
I'd venture to guess that Rubenstein scholars will clerk at a higher rate than the UofC population writ large.
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
fluffythepenguin wrote:I'd venture to guess that Rubenstein scholars will clerk at a higher rate than the UofC population writ large.
- Doorkeeper
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Clerkship + Academia = SLS or HLS. HLS is better for academia, but SLS has a higher clerkship percentage.
Clerkships
Chicago = 14%
HLS = 18%
SLS = 28%
I do not know the relative advantages of HLS or SLS over Chicago in the DC biglaw market.
This being said, it's a personal decision as to whether these advantages are worth $140-150k for you.
Clerkships
Chicago = 14%
HLS = 18%
SLS = 28%
I do not know the relative advantages of HLS or SLS over Chicago in the DC biglaw market.
This being said, it's a personal decision as to whether these advantages are worth $140-150k for you.
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- Emma.
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Ghost93 wrote:take the money and run.
- jetsfan1
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Slightly off topic not trying to jack the thread, but if someone wants academia, does having a Ruby at Chicago put you in as good of a position as going to Harvard?
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
I would compare more years than just the most recent one if you're looking at clerkship chances. 14% seems high for Chicago and 18% low for Harvard. These things can vary a lot year to year; class of 2012 at NYU had freaking horrible fed clerkship numbers for some reason (like, less than 6%) but it was basically twice that for class of 2011, which you'd expect to be a more competitive year since the economy was worse. Obviously federal judges didn't decide overnight that they hate NYU graduates. It's a bunch of little random things, mostly (plus I think the clerkship office messed up big time, but I digress, and the point remains).
Anyway, either way I think you should take the money.
Anyway, either way I think you should take the money.
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Dude take the Ruby, much more prestigious. Hundreds of people get into Harvard each year. Only dozens get DAT RUBY.
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- Emma.
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
The Rubenstein definitely helps facilitate making connections with faculty, which in turn probably helps with getting great recommendations for clerkships. Doing well in class is going to be up to you. However, in the 2L class (the only data point we really have at this point since the 1Ls only have 2 grades so far) the Rubenstein kids have been very successful, and several have already landed very prestigious feeder clerkships.jetsfan1 wrote:Slightly off topic not trying to jack the thread, but if someone wants academia, does having a Ruby at Chicago put you in as good of a position as going to Harvard?
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
How likely is it for a Ruby recipient to get DC litigation or a clerkship out of Chicago?
Current students would know better than I would, but if its really THAT important to you, going to, say, SLS for 150k isnt a terrible option I wouldnt think. But no debt at Chicago is probably too good to pass up.
Current students would know better than I would, but if its really THAT important to you, going to, say, SLS for 150k isnt a terrible option I wouldnt think. But no debt at Chicago is probably too good to pass up.
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
lolwannabelawstudent wrote:Dude take the Ruby, much more prestigious. Hundreds of people get into Harvard each year. Only dozens get DAT RUBY.
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Ruby. Easy choice. One of the best schools in the country and zero debt. What more could you ask for.
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
gaud wrote:Ghost93 wrote:take the money and run.
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
go with the Ruby and congrats
- TaipeiMort
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
Its not low for Chicago. You forget that Chicago has an advantage in that it is the more conservative T14 school (Scalia, Epstein, Posner, Easterbrook, etc.), and owns the law/econ cult. There are a disproportionate number of conservative judges relative to the population of practicing attorneys as a whole. Therefore, Chicago outperforms its ranking and is more like H than Columbia or NYU. That being said, I don't know how much it would help if you are not going to go that route. But., liberals still perform well. See, e.g., http://uchilawgo.wordpress.com/2013/04/ ... white-guy/.dixiecupdrinking wrote:I would compare more years than just the most recent one if you're looking at clerkship chances. 14% seems high for Chicago and 18% low for Harvard. These things can vary a lot year to year; class of 2012 at NYU had freaking horrible fed clerkship numbers for some reason (like, less than 6%) but it was basically twice that for class of 2011, which you'd expect to be a more competitive year since the economy was worse. Obviously federal judges didn't decide overnight that they hate NYU graduates. It's a bunch of little random things, mostly (plus I think the clerkship office messed up big time, but I digress, and the point remains).
Anyway, either way I think you should take the money.
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Re: H/S/Ruby (or, I'm a very lucky one)
I checked and NYU outplaced Chicago for fed clerkships for class of 2011. So, I don't know, man, I'm a little weary of the Chicago schtick.TaipeiMort wrote:Its not low for Chicago. You forget that Chicago has an advantage in that it is the more conservative T14 school (Scalia, Epstein, Posner, Easterbrook, etc.), and owns the law/econ cult. There are a disproportionate number of conservative judges relative to the population of practicing attorneys as a whole. Therefore, Chicago outperforms its ranking and is more like H than Columbia or NYU. That being said, I don't know how much it would help if you are not going to go that route. But., liberals still perform well. See, e.g., http://uchilawgo.wordpress.com/2013/04/ ... white-guy/.dixiecupdrinking wrote:I would compare more years than just the most recent one if you're looking at clerkship chances. 14% seems high for Chicago and 18% low for Harvard. These things can vary a lot year to year; class of 2012 at NYU had freaking horrible fed clerkship numbers for some reason (like, less than 6%) but it was basically twice that for class of 2011, which you'd expect to be a more competitive year since the economy was worse. Obviously federal judges didn't decide overnight that they hate NYU graduates. It's a bunch of little random things, mostly (plus I think the clerkship office messed up big time, but I digress, and the point remains).
Anyway, either way I think you should take the money.
Edit: NYU here (14.35% clerks x 79.37% federal = 11.4%), Chicago here (10.1% clerks x 95.0% federal = 9.6%).
Eyeballing the two years prior also makes them look pretty damn close.
I'm just saying.
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