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Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:46 pm
by Tiago Splitter
As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.
EDIT: All information is now available at
http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/
School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total. Numbers in parentheses indicate change from 2011.
Penn: 66.7(
+7.3) + 10.4(
+1.3) = 77.1(
+8.6)
Stanford: 47(
-2.5) + 28.2(
+4.8) = 75.2(
+2.3)
Columbia: 64.2(
+2.8) + 7.9(
-.2) = 72.1(
+2.6)
Chicago: 56.3(
+11.5) + 14.4(
+5) = 70.7(
+16.5)
Harvard: 53.6(
+4.5) + 17.8(
+1.5) = 71.4(
+6)
Yale: 32(
-1.2) + 34.7(
+1.5) = 66.7(
+.3)
NYU: 59.5(
+16.4) + 5.6(
-5.3) = 65.1(
+11.1)
Cornell: 57.9(
+19) + 6.8(
-1.2) = 64.7(
+17.9)
Duke: 51.1(
+6.2) + 12.9(
+1.8) = 64(
+8)
UVA: 47.8(
+9.6) + 14.3(
+3.7) = 62.1(
+13.3)
Berkeley: 53.8(
+12.2) + 6.7(
-3) = 60.5(
+9.2)
Northwestern: 49.2(
-4.1) + 6.4(
-1.6) = 55.6(
-5.7)
Mich: 43.3(
+9.3) + 8.5(
+2.1) = 51.8(
+11.4)
UCI: 23.2 + 28.6 = 51.8*
GULC: 39.1(
+5.6) + 3.7(
-.2) = 42.8(
+5.4)
Vandy: 28.5(
-3.7) + 12.1(
+1.3) = 40.6(
-2.4)
UCLA: 34.2(
+11.7) + 4.8(
+.4) = 39(
+12.1)
USC: 30.8(
+3.5) + 6.7(
-2.4) = 37.5(
+1.1)
Texas: 26.9(
+3.9) + 8.3(
+1.2) = 35.2(
+5.1)
Notre Dame: 24(
+4) + 8.7(
-3.4) = 32.7(
+.6)
BU: 27.1(
+7.3) + 4.8(
+3) = 31.9(
+10.3)
Fordham: 30.5 + 3.1 = 33.6
WUSTL: 23(
+5.3) + 3.3(
+.5) = 26.3(
+5.8)
Illinois: 22.1(
+7.4) + 2.3(
-2.5) = 24.4(
+4.9)
UGA: 16.6(
+7.8) + 7.4(
-.1) = 24(
+7.7)
UNC: 16.4(
+3.4) + 5.1(
+.6) = 21.5(
+4)
Wake: 14.7(
+3.9) + 5.8(
+3.3) = 20.5(
+7.2)
W & M: 12.7(
+5.8) + 5.9(
-1.5) = 18.6(
+4.3)
Alabama: 8.1(
+1.7) + 9.3(
+.8) = 17.4(
-.9)
SMU: 14.3(
+.3) + 3(
-1.2) = 17.3(
-.9)
Hastings: 13.3(
+2.4) + 2(
+.1) = 15.3(
+2.5)
Wisconsin: 9.9 (
+.01) + 1.0 (
-.06) = 10.9 (
-.05)
*: Don't kid yourself
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:58 pm
by Rahviveh
USC:
http://weblaw.usc.edu/careers/statistics/
100+ Firms: 30.8%
Federal Clerks: 6.7%
= 37.5%
School-funded = 4.5% (10 people)
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:04 pm
by Rahviveh
NYU likes to post its stats in the most confusing way possible. Someone may want to double check my math but it looks right:
http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm
100+ firms: 59.5%
Federal clerks: 5.6%
= 65.1%
School funded = 12.9%
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:09 pm
by TheThriller
We should probably sticky this in the near future
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:16 pm
by Rahviveh
Illinois:
100+: 22.1%
Fed Clerks: 2.3%
= 24.4%
School-funded = 10.3%
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:17 pm
by Bronck
Tiago Splitter wrote:As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.
School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total
Harvard: 53.6 + 17.8 = 71.4
UVA: 47.8 + ??=?? (UVA does not break out Federal from other clerks)
UCLA: 34.2 + 4.8 = 39
USC: 30.8 + 6.7 = 37.5
WUSTL: 23 + 3.3 = 26.3
Alabama: 8.1 + 9.3 = 17.4
Notre Dame: 24 + 8.7 = 32.7
W & M: 12.7 + 5.9 = 18.6
Wake: 14.7 + 5.8 = 20.5
Hey man, I think it'd be cool to show percent changes from c/o 2011 as well.
HLS = +4.5% & +1.5% = +6%
UVA = +9.6% & +3.7% = +13.3%
Look at the ABA sheet for UVA's federal clerkship numbers: 52/364 or 14.3%, bringing its total to 62.1%
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:18 pm
by Rahviveh
UVA: 15.1% School-funded
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:19 pm
by Rahviveh
Bronck wrote:Tiago Splitter wrote:As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.
School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total
Harvard: 53.6 + 17.8 = 71.4
UVA: 47.8 + ??=?? (UVA does not break out Federal from other clerks)
UCLA: 34.2 + 4.8 = 39
USC: 30.8 + 6.7 = 37.5
WUSTL: 23 + 3.3 = 26.3
Alabama: 8.1 + 9.3 = 17.4
Notre Dame: 24 + 8.7 = 32.7
W & M: 12.7 + 5.9 = 18.6
Wake: 14.7 + 5.8 = 20.5
Hey man, I think it'd be cool to show percent changes from c/o 2011 as well.
HLS = +4.5% & +1.5% = +6%
UVA = +9.6% & +3.7% = +13.3%
Look at the ABA sheet for UVA's federal clerkship numbers: 52/364 or 14.3%, bringing its total to 62.1%
Those are good numbers for UVA
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:22 pm
by Bronck
ETA: Scratch that. Glanced at the data too quickly.
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:26 pm
by Bronck
Michigan = 43.3% (+9.3%) and 8.5% (-2.1%) = 51.8% (+7.2%)
http://www.law.umich.edu/careers/classs ... of2012.pdf
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:27 pm
by Rahviveh
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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:27 pm
by Tiago Splitter
Bronck wrote:
I got 61.5% for 100+ firms (.6381*[.0705+.1074+.7852] and 5.8% for federal clerks (.0792*.7297) = 67.3%
Which is a 16.4% increase in firms and a 5.6% decrease in federal clerkships, or a 10.8% increase overall.
You have to make sure to first subtract out the 15 people who are pursuing a grad degree or are unemployed.
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:31 pm
by Bronck
Tiago Splitter wrote:Bronck wrote:
I got 61.5% for 100+ firms (.6381*[.0705+.1074+.7852] and 5.8% for federal clerks (.0792*.7297) = 67.3%
Which is a 16.4% increase in firms and a 5.6% decrease in federal clerkships, or a 10.8% increase overall.
You have to make sure to first subtract out the 15 people who are pursuing a grad degree or are unemployed.
Yeah, my bad. ChampagnePapi was right via the ABA sheet:
--LinkRemoved--
The actual percent changes are: +16.4% and -5.3% or 11.1% increase
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:32 pm
by Ruxin1
Tiago Splitter wrote:Bronck wrote:
I got 61.5% for 100+ firms (.6381*[.0705+.1074+.7852] and 5.8% for federal clerks (.0792*.7297) = 67.3%
Which is a 16.4% increase in firms and a 5.6% decrease in federal clerkships, or a 10.8% increase overall.
You have to make sure to first subtract out the 15 people who are pursuing a grad degree or are unemployed.
Why would you subtract them?
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:43 pm
by Bronck
A terribly incomplete chart:
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:47 pm
by Tiago Splitter
Ruxin1 wrote:
Why would you subtract them?
Because NYU does. The percentages they list on their site are the percentage of employed grads only within each subsection.
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:56 pm
by Real Madrid
If only UVA could set up a law firm to employ all its school-funded graduates its "students in 100+ firms" number would be through the roof.
Anyway, what's the deal with these numbers? Are schools required to release them? And (if so) when?
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:42 pm
by table3
ChampagnePapi wrote:Illinois:
100+: 22.1%
Fed Clerks: 2.3%
= 24.4%
School-funded = 10.3%
That's a big jump from 2011:
University of Illinois:
100+: 13.7%
Fed Clerks: 4.7%
=18.4%
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=illinois
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:47 pm
by 02889
Only 5.6% placed in federal clerkships for NYU? What happened there?
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:17 pm
by jackattack17
UNC:
42/256 16.4% 100+
13/256 5.1% Art. III
55/256 21.5% Total
http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/career ... rt2012.pdf
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:29 pm
by star fox
Tiago Splitter wrote:As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.
School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total
Mich: 43.3 + 8.5 = 51.8
Notre Dame: 24 + 8.7 = 32.7
Illinois: 22.1 + 2.3 = 24.4
2011 large firm scores:
Mich: 34 %
Notre Dame: 20 %
Illinois: 13.7 %
Crossing my fingers here, does this mean that Chicago big firm hiring is starting to pick up a bit after being particularly slow to recover post-recession?
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:35 pm
by Rahviveh
john7234797 wrote:Tiago Splitter wrote:As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.
School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total
Mich: 43.3 + 8.5 = 51.8
Notre Dame: 24 + 8.7 = 32.7
Illinois: 22.1 + 2.3 = 24.4
2011 large firm scores:
Mich: 34 %
Notre Dame: 20 %
Illinois: 13.7 %
Crossing my fingers here, does this mean that Chicago big firm hiring is starting to pick up a bit after being particularly slow to recover post-recession?
Hiring for c/o 2012 seems to be up across the board RELATIVE to c/o 2011, which makes sense since the CW is that c/o 2011 was rock bottom.
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:23 pm
by BigZuck
02889 wrote:Only 5.6% placed in federal clerkships for NYU? What happened there?
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:28 pm
by Dmini7
Posting UCI
(I am sure Dre will come in here soon to remind us it is TTT trash)
firm 100+ = 23.2%
Fed clerkships= 28.6%
23.2 + 28.6 = 51.8%
http://www.law.uci.edu/career_dev/emplo ... stics.html
Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:30 pm
by Rahviveh
Well it confirms earlier estimates. Worth noting that 23.2% in this case means only 13 people.