I ask because I'm trying to decide between a number of similarly ranked law schools and am looking for anything to push me one way or another.
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OP said 50-100+, not just 51-100.Yukos wrote:6.1% of UVA grads go to firms of 51-100 attorneys, 0.3% of Berkeley grads go to firms that size, 1.6% of Michigan grads go to firms of that size. Obviously UVA sends quite a few more (especially since its class is as big or bigger than those two) but I'm not sure how you could figure out why. My guess is what someone else already mentioned -- Southern firms just tend to be smaller and UVA places more in the South.
Yeah, but what he actually said made no sense, so Yukos' interpretation seems about right.InGoodFaith wrote:OP said 50-100+, not just 51-100.Yukos wrote:6.1% of UVA grads go to firms of 51-100 attorneys, 0.3% of Berkeley grads go to firms that size, 1.6% of Michigan grads go to firms of that size. Obviously UVA sends quite a few more (especially since its class is as big or bigger than those two) but I'm not sure how you could figure out why. My guess is what someone else already mentioned -- Southern firms just tend to be smaller and UVA places more in the South.
I just assumed OP was mentally handicapped.Elston Gunn wrote:Yeah, but what he actually said made no sense, so Yukos' interpretation seems about right.InGoodFaith wrote:OP said 50-100+, not just 51-100.Yukos wrote:6.1% of UVA grads go to firms of 51-100 attorneys, 0.3% of Berkeley grads go to firms that size, 1.6% of Michigan grads go to firms of that size. Obviously UVA sends quite a few more (especially since its class is as big or bigger than those two) but I'm not sure how you could figure out why. My guess is what someone else already mentioned -- Southern firms just tend to be smaller and UVA places more in the South.
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Did you mean the plus at the end?MrHairyLegs wrote:I meant 51-100. My mistake
I interviewed w a bunch of these type of firms and they tended to pay from 95k to 110k in secondary (let's be real, tertiary) marketsDesert Fox wrote:I'd imagine it's smaller southern firms. Does Duke have a large number too? There is no consistent definition of big law. But I'm guessing most of these aren't paying 6 figs.
That's an oddly non-doom and gloom post from you on the issue.BruceWayne wrote:One thing that I will definitely defend UVA on in regards to it's placement relative to it's peers: we have FAR less people here gunning for NYC. I don't think people at schools like Penn or NYU really understand just how different it is in terms of student's desires. Thinking back, I really don't know many people who come to UVA looking for NYC biglaw. That really changes our employment stats in comparison to a school like Penn where apparently almost everyone comes in thinking giant NYC vault firm. Even the people at the top of our class who could go to say Skadden or Davis Polk are instead thinking Covington DC, Williams and Connolly, or whatever is the most elite firm in their desired secondary market. What a lot of 0Ls don't realize is that those jobs are actually significantly more selective/difficult to attain. What this means is that from day one, unrelated to the prestige of UVA, our stats just aren't going to be as good as a smaller school that has a ton of students all focused on getting a biglaw job in the least selective and biggest market in the country. If you pick a random sample of 5 1Ls from UVA they're likely to come out something like this for market choice: DC, DC, NY, Atlanta, Chicago. Whereas a sample of 5 Penn 1L probably looks like this: NYC, NYC, NYC, NYC, NYC. The latter is just a lot easier to place in a biglaw job all things equal.
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It's 100% true, though. It was so weird looking around and seeing just how few people wanted NYC.NoodleyOne wrote:That's an oddly non-doom and gloom post from you on the issue.BruceWayne wrote:One thing that I will definitely defend UVA on in regards to it's placement relative to it's peers: we have FAR less people here gunning for NYC. I don't think people at schools like Penn or NYU really understand just how different it is in terms of student's desires. Thinking back, I really don't know many people who come to UVA looking for NYC biglaw. That really changes our employment stats in comparison to a school like Penn where apparently almost everyone comes in thinking giant NYC vault firm. Even the people at the top of our class who could go to say Skadden or Davis Polk are instead thinking Covington DC, Williams and Connolly, or whatever is the most elite firm in their desired secondary market. What a lot of 0Ls don't realize is that those jobs are actually significantly more selective/difficult to attain. What this means is that from day one, unrelated to the prestige of UVA, our stats just aren't going to be as good as a smaller school that has a ton of students all focused on getting a biglaw job in the least selective and biggest market in the country. If you pick a random sample of 5 1Ls from UVA they're likely to come out something like this for market choice: DC, DC, NY, Atlanta, Chicago. Whereas a sample of 5 Penn 1L probably looks like this: NYC, NYC, NYC, NYC, NYC. The latter is just a lot easier to place in a biglaw job all things equal.
It's like that at most of the lower T14 that aren't NE schools. And it definitely hurts placement statistics.5ky wrote:It's 100% true, though. It was so weird looking around and seeing just how few people wanted NYC.NoodleyOne wrote:That's an oddly non-doom and gloom post from you on the issue.BruceWayne wrote:One thing that I will definitely defend UVA on in regards to it's placement relative to it's peers: we have FAR less people here gunning for NYC. I don't think people at schools like Penn or NYU really understand just how different it is in terms of student's desires. Thinking back, I really don't know many people who come to UVA looking for NYC biglaw. That really changes our employment stats in comparison to a school like Penn where apparently almost everyone comes in thinking giant NYC vault firm. Even the people at the top of our class who could go to say Skadden or Davis Polk are instead thinking Covington DC, Williams and Connolly, or whatever is the most elite firm in their desired secondary market. What a lot of 0Ls don't realize is that those jobs are actually significantly more selective/difficult to attain. What this means is that from day one, unrelated to the prestige of UVA, our stats just aren't going to be as good as a smaller school that has a ton of students all focused on getting a biglaw job in the least selective and biggest market in the country. If you pick a random sample of 5 1Ls from UVA they're likely to come out something like this for market choice: DC, DC, NY, Atlanta, Chicago. Whereas a sample of 5 Penn 1L probably looks like this: NYC, NYC, NYC, NYC, NYC. The latter is just a lot easier to place in a biglaw job all things equal.
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