Ave Maria Naples or Barry Law Orlando Forum

[Teflon_Jeff]

Instead of mocking I'll try to help you out.

Both schools are very new, which isn't good. Ave Maria, however, apparently is really struggling financially. Reading between the lines I'd say borderline bankrupt. Plus, less than 50% of students passed the FL bar out of Ave Maria, whereas over 70% at Barry did. Also, Barry has a better faculty ratio.

Bottom line, I'd go Barry. It's a little cheaper, has better bar rates, and has better faculty ratio.

AND INTERNATIONAL SPACE LAW

Now I may be just be a simple country Hyper-Chicken...

[Mr. Pancakes]

Op, I came in here with a similar situation as you. People said the exact same things you are hearing. I thank God that I was told what I was. I drastically improved my score and won't be looking at this retarded debt. I think I was initially PTing in the 148-151 range. After several months of hard work I'm looking at a score in the 160s. This isn't anything special, but it will get me into a regional school for a reduced rate, which is exactly what you should do.

[koalatriste]

you have to follow your gut on this one and ask yourself:

in which city would you rather be unemployed?

[flem]

Scumbag TLS:

TLS: Never go to one of these schools unless you have a job lined up
OP: I have a job lined up with my family's firm
TLS: RETAKE

[RodneyBoonfield]

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[h2oplyer7]

As a Catholic who likes Dominos Pizza, I'm begging you NOT to go to Ave Maria. I applied there and they gave me a full scholarship with stipend. I was considering it at first (I hadn't started any research). I tried to contact them for one week without any luck. When I did get through the nice lady asked me my name; I told her and she said they had no record of me. I started to wonder what was up after that and did a little detective work. A quick Google search, and even Inspector Clouseau could figure out this school is a mess.

[rayiner]

they are the cards I have been handed and I don't know what call to make.

The cool thing about the law school poker game is that you can fold after getting dealt shit cards before putting any money down.

That's a great analogy.

[Favre4Prez]

Also, I choose Ave Maria because I hear you get free Domino's.

Dude, is that true!?!!?!

[Honey_Badger]

Assuming the OP is telling the truth, it's his family's wisdom I question as much as his own. They will PAY for him to go to law school (and this year only, folks!) but they won't invest in a prep course which could get him into a state school which would be tens of thousands of dollars less?

So....
Don't wait a year, invest no money now, but go to shit law school for $$$$
OR
Wait a year, invest $650 (minimum, if you "go" to Velocity) in prep, retake, hopefully get into UF/FSU for $$

Can someone else explain this to me? I must be having a senior moment...

[cinephile]

Assuming the OP is telling the truth, it's his family's wisdom I question as much as his own. They will PAY for him to go to law school (and this year only, folks!) but they won't invest in a prep course which could get him into a state school which would be tens of thousands of dollars less?

So....
Don't wait a year, invest no money now, but go to shit law school for $$$$
OR
Wait a year, invest $650 (minimum, if you "go" to Velocity) in prep, retake, hopefully get into UF/FSU for $$

Can someone else explain this to me? I must be having a senior moment...

Lots of people's parents are like this. They think if you don't go to grad school right away, you'll take a low level job and get comfortable and complacent there. So they offer you money this year only to get you to go now, afraid if the offer stays on the table you'll just live at home and work part-time somewhere until you're 30. I find this story completely believable. And honestly, if you're not going into debt (and your parents aren't risking their retirement or anything crazy like that to pay for school), take their money and take the job guaranteed job at the family firm (assuming the business is stable).

[TTRansfer]

I want to know why everyone who has the option of schools like these ALWAYS has someone paying for it and ALWAYS has a job lined up. You never see the poor sap who has no job lined up coming on here to post about his choices.

[alpha kenny body]

Neither, as you will be subjected to over-inflated tuition costs, little employment options, and absolutely no portability or prestige.

[1TLStudent]

I don't really think its a good idea breh

[Jah'rakal]

both are legit law schools, not good but ok, and if u have a job lined up, go wherever it costs the least, you can practice law with a JD from any accredited schools

[Yukos]

both are legit law schools, not good but ok, and if u have a job lined up, go wherever it costs the least, you can practice law with a JD from any accredited schools

Return of the Troll King.

[Nova]

[PolySuyGuy]

for the sake of not sounding like a complete tool and idiot. I must say I do agree, retaking it and getting a better score is the safe suggestion and a correct answer on all accounts. Either way, Im going to be attending a law school this fall. That being said, thank you for your ideas on ways to better my circumstances. It wasn't the question though and I see your answers for what they are, well thought out probably proper advice for most people. Punting on 4th down is always a safe option, but throwing for a 60yrd TD pass to a sketchy receiver seems to be my style as I don't doubt my own abilities to have success. Its just the receiving schools i'm worried about.

Choosing neither is just not applicable to my situation right now and I don't want to waste my life not going to school. I realize the massive debt and risks that come with my decisions, in no way am I trying to deny those aspects. Its either Naples or Orlando and maybe a wait-listed better school will except me as the school year nears closer.

thank you again for your time

Which one will you take?

[Verity]

I find it sad that you would have someone pay for you to go to school, but won't work a little harder to make their investment more sound, or to get some scholarship dollars so they don't have to sink a fortune into a bad investment

Retake, for their sake.

[smoothies]

Would someone please explain to me why going to either one of these schools is a bad idea IF

1. cost is not an issue for the OP
2. he/she has got a guaranteed job with the family firm
3. all schools teach the same basic law concepts and probably have reasonably competent professors
4. once you get a job and/or reach a certain age, where you went to school becomes a pretty insignificant issue
5. a good deal of what you need to learn (practically-speaking) to be a lawyer doesn't come from law school anyway

I know you want to jump all over this and ridicule it, but I would prefer some sound reasoning instead of clever diatribe.

[sunynp]

Would someone please explain to me why going to either one of these schools is a bad idea IF

1. cost is not an issue for the OP
2. he/she has got a guaranteed job with the family firm
3. all schools teach the same basic law concepts and probably have reasonably competent professors
4. once you get a job and/or reach a certain age, where you went to school becomes a pretty insignificant issue
5. a good deal of what you need to learn (practically-speaking) to be a lawyer doesn't come from law school anyway

I know you want to jump all over this and ridicule it, but I would prefer some sound reasoning instead of clever diatribe.

1. Cost is always an issue. The money can be better spent than throwing it away on these schools.
2. There are no guarantees in employment. He won't have to compete for a job, but who knows how stable that family firm is given the economy. Or whatever other disasters can happen. One poster here lost a job and hasn't been able to find another for more than a year because of illness at the small firm he worked out. Stuff happens, why put yourself in a situation where the only way you will have a job is if your family hires you.
3. I don't know what the bar passage rates are for these schools. If you don't pass the bar, you can't work. Also, this is a lie, the quality of schools varies tremendously in terms of preparing you for practice. The idea that law concepts are taught equally well at all schools is one I don't buy when you are looking at schools that are at the bottom of the barrel.
4.Where you went to school will always be significant if you go to a terrible school, I dunno, maybe when you're 40 or 50, but it sure will matter if OP needs another job outside of his family firm.
5. Arggh - this is no reason to go to a terrible school.

And to add: these are two of the worst schools in the entire United States. OP only gets to go to law school once. Why shouldn't he aim higher instead of settling for what he has? I will never understand that attitude of being willing to accept less than you can achieve.

[Jah'rakal]

Would someone please explain to me why going to either one of these schools is a bad idea IF

1. cost is not an issue for the OP
2. he/she has got a guaranteed job with the family firm
3. all schools teach the same basic law concepts and probably have reasonably competent professors
4. once you get a job and/or reach a certain age, where you went to school becomes a pretty insignificant issue
5. a good deal of what you need to learn (practically-speaking) to be a lawyer doesn't come from law school anyway

I know you want to jump all over this and ridicule it, but I would prefer some sound reasoning instead of clever diatribe.

these are all true, TLS just likes to ridicule and make unwarranted assumptions about OP's circumstance (see post above). the condition given is cost is not an issue, why try to make it one? he got guaranteed job from firm then why assume he will need a different job? plus once he worked so many years, where he graduated hardly matter anymore.

[Samara]

Would someone please explain to me why going to either one of these schools is a bad idea IF

1. cost is not an issue for the OP
2. he/she has got a guaranteed job with the family firm
3. all schools teach the same basic law concepts and probably have reasonably competent professors
4. once you get a job and/or reach a certain age, where you went to school becomes a pretty insignificant issue
5. a good deal of what you need to learn (practically-speaking) to be a lawyer doesn't come from law school anyway

I know you want to jump all over this and ridicule it, but I would prefer some sound reasoning instead of clever diatribe.

these are all true, TLS just likes to ridicule and make unwarranted assumptions about OP's circumstance (see post above). the condition given is cost is not an issue, why try to make it one? he got guaranteed job from firm then why assume he will need a different job? plus once he worked so many years, where he graduated hardly matter anymore.

The article in this thread begs to differ: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 1&t=188909

ETA: Not to mention that down-the-road options are limited coming from a family firm compared to other starting points.

[sunynp]

Would someone please explain to me why going to either one of these schools is a bad idea IF

1. cost is not an issue for the OP
2. he/she has got a guaranteed job with the family firm
3. all schools teach the same basic law concepts and probably have reasonably competent professors
4. once you get a job and/or reach a certain age, where you went to school becomes a pretty insignificant issue
5. a good deal of what you need to learn (practically-speaking) to be a lawyer doesn't come from law school anyway

I know you want to jump all over this and ridicule it, but I would prefer some sound reasoning instead of clever diatribe.

these are all true, TLS just likes to ridicule and make unwarranted assumptions about OP's circumstance (see post above). the condition given is cost is not an issue, why try to make it one? he got guaranteed job from firm then why assume he will need a different job? plus once he worked so many years, where he graduated hardly matter anymore.

I'm not ridiculing OP, I'm trying to give good advice. Just because you can afford something doesn't mean that the cost isn't an issue. If the money can be better spend on a better school, then OP should do that. Why pay full price for low quality?

OP is trying to set up a career for life. There is no guarantee that the family firm will be around for all of OP's career. I don't think OP should make his career and school decisions based on that assumption. OP will have trouble finding another job if that firm has a problem. People don't last forever at firms.

[fatduck]

is the "troll warlord" avatar invisible to everyone except me?

[JD Janitor]

is the "troll warlord" avatar invisible to everyone except me?

datfuck, get some sunlight.