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Someone choosing between Cooley and Golden Gate
I know someone dumb enough to be considering these options. Won't listen to reason about retaking or not going. How would you deal with this?
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Golden Gate. If the're gonna throw away 3 years of their life, they might as well do it while enjoying that beautiful SF weather.
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Here is an article that makes Golden Gate look really bad with stipulations on scholarships:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/busin ... rants.html
There must be similar articles about Cooley somewhere.
I would try to find mainstream publications. Also LST data might be helpful.
Once they have the data, it is their choice. Not much more you can do about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/busin ... rants.html
There must be similar articles about Cooley somewhere.
I would try to find mainstream publications. Also LST data might be helpful.
Once they have the data, it is their choice. Not much more you can do about it.
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Re: Someone choosing between Cooley and Golden Gate
Provide them with a guide book on leaving the country and attaining a new identity to avoid debt payments.
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What is your relationship with this person?
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Re: Someone choosing between Cooley and Golden Gate
TITCRBroseidon wrote:Golden Gate. If the're gonna throw away 3 years of their life, they might as well do it while enjoying that beautiful SF weather.
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I was curious and looked at the LST numbers for both. I didn't know employment stats could be that bad!sunynp wrote:Here is an article that makes Golden Gate look really bad with stipulations on scholarships:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/busin ... rants.html
There must be similar articles about Cooley somewhere.
I would try to find mainstream publications. Also LST data might be helpful.
Once they have the data, it is their choice. Not much more you can do about it.
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http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... hools.html1776 wrote:I was curious and looked at the LST numbers for both. I didn't know employment stats could be that bad!sunynp wrote:Here is an article that makes Golden Gate look really bad with stipulations on scholarships:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/busin ... rants.html
There must be similar articles about Cooley somewhere.
I would try to find mainstream publications. Also LST data might be helpful.
Once they have the data, it is their choice. Not much more you can do about it.
University of Santa Clara is at the top of that list.
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Would depend on my relationship with them but also their ability to listen to logic and reason.abc12345675 wrote:I know someone dumb enough to be considering these options. Won't listen to reason about retaking or not going. How would you deal with this?
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The correct response.goldeneye wrote:Provide them with a guide book on leaving the country and attaining a new identity to avoid debt payments.
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Send a passive aggressive let me google that for you link RE: scamblogs and employment stats
I don't actually know how anyone chooses these schools with all the bad press they get. Do people not even google the school? If you google Cooley the first three links are for stuff on Cooley's website, and after that its all scamblogs links.
I don't actually know how anyone chooses these schools with all the bad press they get. Do people not even google the school? If you google Cooley the first three links are for stuff on Cooley's website, and after that its all scamblogs links.
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These people may actually be mentally incapable of making the decision not to attend. The strength of the optimism/confirmation bias means that no amount of information will dissuade them.tfleming09 wrote:Send a passive aggressive let me google that for you link RE: scamblogs and employment stats
I don't actually know how anyone chooses these schools with all the bad press they get. Do people not even google the school? If you google Cooley the first three links are for stuff on Cooley's website, and after that its all scamblogs links.
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I literally just clicked over from a thread where someone was refusing to take advice to not go to either Brooklyn or St. Johns. I don't know if its special snowflake syndrome, an inability to process information, or some kind of protein deficiency, but some people refuse to accept this shit. I understand when people's friends and family say "Oh just go to any school you'll be fine" but about 20 seconds on TLS will tell you how fucking wrong that is. /ranttfleming09 wrote:Send a passive aggressive let me google that for you link RE: scamblogs and employment stats
I don't actually know how anyone chooses these schools with all the bad press they get. Do people not even google the school? If you google Cooley the first three links are for stuff on Cooley's website, and after that its all scamblogs links.
I honestly find it fascinating.timbs4339 wrote: These people may actually be mentally incapable of making the decision not to attend. The strength of the optimism/confirmation bias means that no amount of information will dissuade them.
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There's an update at the bottom of the list that says:SchopenhauerFTW wrote: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... hools.html
University of Santa Clara is at the top of that list.
Update: Law School Transparency has corrected the data for:
Santa Clara: a positive 23.0% (53.8% Employment Score - 30.8% Under-Employment Score)
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What these TTT schools do is absolutely criminal re: grade stipulations.
They systematically ensure that some of their scholarship students will lose their grants. The school gets to not pay in years 2/3 while keeping the GPA/LSAT inflation that student (likely way above their medians) brought them.
They systematically ensure that some of their scholarship students will lose their grants. The school gets to not pay in years 2/3 while keeping the GPA/LSAT inflation that student (likely way above their medians) brought them.
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I think DePaul's stip is like top 1/3 or top 1/4bingbang1025 wrote:What these TTT schools do is absolutely criminal re: grade stipulations.
They systematically ensure that some of their scholarship students will lose their grants. The school gets to not pay in years 2/3 while keeping the GPA/LSAT inflation that student (likely way above their medians) brought them.
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Agreed. On a similar note, the TTTs that kick students out if they're below a certain point are actually doing them a good service. I know Widener does this, and I think the school is doing them a favor by not allowing them to drop another 80 grand.bingbang1025 wrote:What these TTT schools do is absolutely criminal re: grade stipulations.
They systematically ensure that some of their scholarship students will lose their grants. The school gets to not pay in years 2/3 while keeping the GPA/LSAT inflation that student (likely way above their medians) brought them.
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Re: Someone choosing between Cooley and Golden Gate
HCG is basically biglaw secure, so I'd go with Cooley. I mean, Golden Gate is only a third tier school.
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Every single school should cut their class size by 60%. Done.Broseidon wrote:Agreed. On a similar note, the TTTs that kick students out if they're below a certain point are actually doing them a good service. I know Widener does this, and I think the school is doing them a favor by not allowing them to drop another 80 grand.bingbang1025 wrote:What these TTT schools do is absolutely criminal re: grade stipulations.
They systematically ensure that some of their scholarship students will lose their grants. The school gets to not pay in years 2/3 while keeping the GPA/LSAT inflation that student (likely way above their medians) brought them.
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it would be better to just cut the bad schools instead. No point in having 60% less at Yale and retaining some TTTsbingbang1025 wrote:Every single school should cut their class size by 60%. Done.Broseidon wrote:Agreed. On a similar note, the TTTs that kick students out if they're below a certain point are actually doing them a good service. I know Widener does this, and I think the school is doing them a favor by not allowing them to drop another 80 grand.bingbang1025 wrote:What these TTT schools do is absolutely criminal re: grade stipulations.
They systematically ensure that some of their scholarship students will lose their grants. The school gets to not pay in years 2/3 while keeping the GPA/LSAT inflation that student (likely way above their medians) brought them.
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I completely agree. Slashing about 50 schools would be a good start.JamMasterJ wrote:it would be better to just cut the bad schools instead. No point in having 60% less at Yale and retaining some TTTsbingbang1025 wrote:Every single school should cut their class size by 60%. Done.Broseidon wrote:Agreed. On a similar note, the TTTs that kick students out if they're below a certain point are actually doing them a good service. I know Widener does this, and I think the school is doing them a favor by not allowing them to drop another 80 grand.bingbang1025 wrote:What these TTT schools do is absolutely criminal re: grade stipulations.
They systematically ensure that some of their scholarship students will lose their grants. The school gets to not pay in years 2/3 while keeping the GPA/LSAT inflation that student (likely way above their medians) brought them.
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They need to make the bar exam a lot, lot more difficult. Slash the bottom 50-75 schools. Set up more lienient 1st-year exit programs for people to gracefully GTFO of school if their grades are crap (e.g., refund 50% of tuition or something).
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If anything, TTT schools have the incentive to make students pay a sort of exit few to give students less of an incentive to leavebingbang1025 wrote:They need to make the bar exam a lot, lot more difficult. Slash the bottom 50-75 schools. Set up more lienient 1st-year exit programs for people to gracefully GTFO of school if their grades are crap (e.g., refund 50% of tuition or something).
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The whole Third and Fourth Tier should just be slashed, period. The only law schools that should exist are basically the top 20 or so, and then the state schools with strong brand/reputation in a region (Wisconsin, Illinois, etc.)
The ABA are the scum of this earth. They "accredit" all these pathetic junk heap schools when they know how bad the situation is and still don't require independent audits on employment and salary figures. Meanwhile they allow the outsourcing of legal work to India to go on.
The ABA are the scum of this earth. They "accredit" all these pathetic junk heap schools when they know how bad the situation is and still don't require independent audits on employment and salary figures. Meanwhile they allow the outsourcing of legal work to India to go on.
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Maybe some sort of paralegal certification or something?bingbang1025 wrote:They need to make the bar exam a lot, lot more difficult. Slash the bottom 50-75 schools. Set up more lienient 1st-year exit programs for people to gracefully GTFO of school if their grades are crap (e.g., refund 50% of tuition or something).
I never understood the justification for the stipulations. You're attending a shitty school in one of the worst job markets ever. You need to score in the top 10% just to have a shot at a decent job. Unless people are really just treating law school like a three-year vacation what exactly is the risk that a hardworking, intelligent student will suddenly stop working and voluntarily accept certain unemployment?bingbang1025 wrote:What these TTT schools do is absolutely criminal re: grade stipulations.
They systematically ensure that some of their scholarship students will lose their grants. The school gets to not pay in years 2/3 while keeping the GPA/LSAT inflation that student (likely way above their medians) brought them.
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