Class of 2011 Employment Statistics Forum

[jenesaislaw]

I've got the data downloaded from when it was working. I'm trying to set up a graph like we've got for the 2010 data. I'll post it when I'm finished.

Let me know when you get it and I'll add a link to the OP.

As for LST's side of things, I've got most of the data in the database and am testing.

[NJPitcher]

You guys are looking at the wrong year.

It says 2011 on the Harvard sheet I'm looking at. Is this not class of 2011? It's reporting 288/26/19 for 501/251/101, with 589 graduates. But wrong year?

2011 refers to the year the data were collected, not class year. Confusing, but changing hopefully.

Fair enough, so that's 9 months after 2010 graduated. I see what they did there....

[jenesaislaw]

Fair enough, so that's 9 months after 2010 graduated. I see what they did there....

Actually, it's when the ABA collected the data (November 2011). Same result as your guess though.

[Greenandgold]

I've got the data downloaded from when it was working. I'm trying to set up a graph like we've got for the 2010 data. I'll post it when I'm finished.

Let me know when you get it and I'll add a link to the OP.

As for LST's side of things, I've got most of the data in the database and am testing.

Yea, I definitely thought that the 2011 meant that it was the right year, but I was wrong. As soon as the new data is up I'll get started on it.

[Easy-E]

Fair enough, so that's 9 months after 2010 graduated. I see what they did there....

Actually, it's when the ABA collected the data (November 2011). Same result as your guess though.

So is this information basically the class of '10? I'm a bit confused.

[manofjustice]

edit: It's class of 2011 that did 2L OCI in 2009, the first 2L OCI after the 2008 crash.

[Easy-E]

It's class of 2011 that did 2L OCI in 2010, the second 2L OCI after the 2008 crash.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

[Tarheel1234]

Do you guys have an idea as to when the class of 2011 stats will go back up?

[jenesaislaw]

I just changed the OP. Too much confusion.

Edit: Lots of people are very confused, and rightfully so. The ABA posted the class of 2011 employment statistics for a little while yesterday, but they are currently down. The reason is that the school-funded numbers were wrong. We alerted the ABA and they will let me know when it's back up.

To be clear, the website says that the report year is 2011. Where it says the report year is 2011, the numbers are for the class of 2010. The ABA labeled this from their perspective, and have been advised to change it. 2011 is the year the schools reported the data to the ABA. (November 2011, to be exact.)

We do not know when it's going back up, but it should be today.

[manofjustice]

Great time for the ABA to be having an error. Come on ABA!

[manofjustice]

What does the LST "Public Interest" score incliude? Are these BigLaw comperable jobs, in the way A3C are?

[jenesaislaw]

What does the LST "Public Interest" score incliude? Are these BigLaw comperable jobs, in the way A3C are?

The Public Service score includes long-term jobs in Gov't and Public Interest. It doesn't include Academia or Clerkships. The 2011 scores will further refine this to only full-time, long-term jobs.

Not obviously biglaw comparable, but challenges schools that claim they're PI focused.

[RedBirds2011]

Great time for the ABA to be having an error. Come on ABA!

Seriously. I was all excited to see the new data and then it was down as fast as it was up. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.

[NR3C1]

The overall full-time, long-term legal rate is 55.2%.

The overall underemployment rate is 26.4%.

These numbers are awful. Thinking of investing 3 years and 200K; think again? Going to and completing law school gives one a 50/50 chance of working as a lawyer.

Questions to OP:

What about the other 28.8% (1-.552-.264)? What are they up to? Employed in something else, like McDonald's, or not even that and are simply unemployed?

[RedBirds2011]

The overall full-time, long-term legal rate is 55.2%.

The overall underemployment rate is 26.4%.

These numbers are awful. Thinking of investing 3 years and 200K; think again? Going to and completing law school gives one a 50/50 chance of working as a lawyer.

Questions to OP:

What about the other 28.8% (1-.552-.264)? What are they up to? Employed in something else, like McDonald's, or not even that and are simply unemployed?

Hence why it is important what school you go to.

[manofjustice]

Why doesn't the ABA release this data eariler so that we can use it to help make our decision? They have had the data, I believe, for almost a year now.

[NJPitcher]

Why doesn't the ABA release this data eariler so that we can use it to help make our decision? They have had the data, I believe, for almost a year now.

Honestly? Because it doesn't matter intensely. If law school employment is so volatile that you need year by year updates to make a decision, then by the time comes for you to get a job it will be far enough removed from these statistics that you'd deem them useless. And if they aren't so volatile that you can go on a 5 year/10 year history whatever, then you don't really need the most recent year.

[flem]

Honestly? Because it doesn't matter intensely. If law school employment is so volatile that you need year by year updates to make a decision, then by the time comes for you to get a job it will be far enough removed from these statistics that you'd deem them useless. And if they aren't so volatile that you can go on a 5 year/10 year history whatever, then you don't really need the most recent year.

notsureifsrs

[Robespierre]

Why doesn't the ABA release this data eariler so that we can use it to help make our decision? They have had the data, I believe, for almost a year now.

If it measures Class of 2011 employment results nine months after graduation, how can they have had it for almost a year? (But I agree with you. Let's have it already. Those of us still choosing between schools would like to see it.)

[manofjustice]

Did anyone download it before they took it down?

[manofjustice]

This is an absolute friggin bloodbath.

Being so impatient to see the 2011 data, I googled what schools posted the data on their site. BU was nice enough to have both the 2010 and the 2011 data for comparison.

c/o 2011
50+ firm: 22 %
private practice: 39 %
BU funded: 22 %

c/o 2010
50+ firm: 38 %
private practice: 57 %
BU funded: 2 %

[prezidentv8]

This is an absolute friggin bloodbath.

Being so impatient to see the 2011 data, I googled what schools posted the data on their site. BU was nice enough to have both the 2010 and the 2011 data for comparison.

c/o 2011
50+ firm: 22 %
private practice: 39 %
BU funded: 22 %

c/o 2010
50+ firm: 38 %
private practice: 57 %
BU funded: 2 %

Ooof.

[bjhs08]

http://www.law.ua.edu/wp-content/upload ... ummary.pdf

The University of Alabama School of Law
2012 Statistics

164 Total Graduates

128 full time, long term bar passage req'd (78%)
16 full time, long term JD advantage (10%)
10 unemployed/Employment Unknown/Employed NonProfessional (6%)
0 law school funded positions

[manofjustice]

I should hope that there is some data suggesting a rebound to 2010 levels is on its way...

This is worse than I thought it would be.

[jenesaislaw]

Questions to OP:

What about the other 28.8% (1-.552-.264)? What are they up to? Employed in something else, like McDonald's, or not even that and are simply unemployed?

No, McDonald's jobs are already included. The underemployment number includes all non-professional jobs, all short-term jobs, all part-time jobs, people pursuing advanced degrees, and those who are unemployed - seeking.

As for the people who are not underemployed and not employed in a full-time, long-term legal job, the percentage is actually 18.4% not 28.8%. I actually got really nervous when I couldn't get them adding up to 28.8%...and then I double-checked your math. Phew...ha!

So the other 18.4%:
unemployed - not seeking (2.3%); unemployed - deferred start date (.25%); unknown employment status (3.3%); unknown job type (but only the full-time, long-term variety -- the other unknown job types are in the underemployment figure) (.14%); full-time, long-term JD Advantage jobs (8.1%); full-time, long-term Professional jobs (3.9%).

http://www.law.ua.edu/wp-content/upload ... ummary.pdf

The University of Alabama School of Law
2012 Statistics

164 Total Graduates

128 full time, long term bar passage req'd (78%)
16 full time, long term JD advantage (10%)
10 unemployed/Employment Unknown/Employed NonProfessional (6%)
0 law school funded positions

Pretty damn good. Good for 14th best in the country, actually. Some surprising company at the top of the list. LSU is up there (#12). GW (#11). St Mary's (#13).

I should hope that there is some data suggesting a rebound to 2010 levels is on its way...

This is worse than I thought it would be.

Though you did say "rebound to 2010 levels" check this out:

http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_new ... ation?lite