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sandiego222 wrote:This is a choice I'm currently making, despite a similar scholarship from CCN (though with a higher cost of living)

I really think I will enjoy the lifestyle of the MVP school significantly more than the New York/ Chicago atmosphere and big-city urban living, as well as the collegiality I've seen at all three of MVP. I hope it will positively affect the way I learn and get involved with law

Is this a crazy decision?? I'm hoping to eventually work for a big firm after school, but I really want to go with MVP. Anyone have personal experience with a similar decision?

justicefishy wrote:From what I've seen here, CCN only really matters at the top with V10 firms and the best PI positions (though you're certainly not locked out of them by attending MVP). At median, however, CCN and MVP are pretty similar for big firm placement. If you like an MVP better, it's not a stupid decision at all.

kwais wrote:

justicefishy wrote:From what I've seen here, CCN only really matters at the top with V10 firms and the best PI positions (though you're certainly not locked out of them by attending MVP). At median, however, CCN and MVP are pretty similar for big firm placement. If you like an MVP better, it's not a stupid decision at all.

On what planet does median at Michigan have similar bigfirm opportunities as Columbia? Yes, a person can make this decision for many reasons, but not this one. Don't throw out irresponsible advice

kwais wrote:

justicefishy wrote:From what I've seen here, CCN only really matters at the top with V10 firms and the best PI positions (though you're certainly not locked out of them by attending MVP). At median, however, CCN and MVP are pretty similar for big firm placement. If you like an MVP better, it's not a stupid decision at all.

On what planet does median at Michigan have similar bigfirm opportunities as Columbia? Yes, a person can make this decision for many reasons, but not this one. Don't throw out irresponsible advice

justicefishy wrote:

kwais wrote:

justicefishy wrote:From what I've seen here, CCN only really matters at the top with V10 firms and the best PI positions (though you're certainly not locked out of them by attending MVP). At median, however, CCN and MVP are pretty similar for big firm placement. If you like an MVP better, it's not a stupid decision at all.

On what planet does median at Michigan have similar bigfirm opportunities as Columbia? Yes, a person can make this decision for many reasons, but not this one. Don't throw out irresponsible advice

The same planet where Virginia's got about equal placement to NYU (according to the most recent NLJ250 report). If the OP had given specific schools then I'd have given more specific advice. From what he was talking about, it seemed like he was picking V and, unless it was Columbia he was talking about, both Chicago and NYU offer very close biglaw placement (within 5% or so).

redbullvodka wrote:

justicefishy wrote:

kwais wrote:

justicefishy wrote:From what I've seen here, CCN only really matters at the top with V10 firms and the best PI positions (though you're certainly not locked out of them by attending MVP). At median, however, CCN and MVP are pretty similar for big firm placement. If you like an MVP better, it's not a stupid decision at all.

On what planet does median at Michigan have similar bigfirm opportunities as Columbia? Yes, a person can make this decision for many reasons, but not this one. Don't throw out irresponsible advice

The same planet where Virginia's got about equal placement to NYU (according to the most recent NLJ250 report). If the OP had given specific schools then I'd have given more specific advice. From what he was talking about, it seemed like he was picking V and, unless it was Columbia he was talking about, both Chicago and NYU offer very close biglaw placement (within 5% or so).

This is also off. The Chicago/NYU similarity specifically refers to this past year. If you average over the last 5 or so (a better measure, I think, since the economy is on the uptick to somewhere in between that year and the boom times), Chicago and Columbia are more similar, with NYU lagging behind them (with the exception being V10 placement in NYC).

swc65 wrote:If you're talking NYU/Penn then it's a tossup.

swc65 wrote:I don't get it. Law school is temporary. You're only there for six semesters and you can go wherever you want (or wherever there are jobs) during the summers/breaks etc.

Unless you think that the big city environmetn will negatively affect your performance, I would not choose a school based on where you want to live for 3/4 of the year for 3 years.

It also depends on the schools. If you're talking NYU/Penn then it's a tossup. If you're CLS/ M or V then I, personally, would not factor in location.

rayiner wrote:

sandiego222 wrote:This is a choice I'm currently making, despite a similar scholarship from CCN (though with a higher cost of living)

I really think I will enjoy the lifestyle of the MVP school significantly more than the New York/ Chicago atmosphere and big-city urban living, as well as the collegiality I've seen at all three of MVP. I hope it will positively affect the way I learn and get involved with law

Is this a crazy decision?? I'm hoping to eventually work for a big firm after school, but I really want to go with MVP. Anyone have personal experience with a similar decision?

Unless the "MVP" in question is Penn, I think it's a pretty risky decision without more scholarship money. C/O 2011 did much worse at M and V than at CLS or P, and it's not clear what things look like going forward.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=181415

rayiner wrote:

sandiego222 wrote:This is a choice I'm currently making, despite a similar scholarship from CCN (though with a higher cost of living)

I really think I will enjoy the lifestyle of the MVP school significantly more than the New York/ Chicago atmosphere and big-city urban living, as well as the collegiality I've seen at all three of MVP. I hope it will positively affect the way I learn and get involved with law

Is this a crazy decision?? I'm hoping to eventually work for a big firm after school, but I really want to go with MVP. Anyone have personal experience with a similar decision?

Unless the "MVP" in question is Penn, I think it's a pretty risky decision without more scholarship money. C/O 2011 did much worse at M and V than at CLS or P, and it's not clear what things look like going forward.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=181415

Real Madrid wrote:

rayiner wrote:

sandiego222 wrote:This is a choice I'm currently making, despite a similar scholarship from CCN (though with a higher cost of living)

I really think I will enjoy the lifestyle of the MVP school significantly more than the New York/ Chicago atmosphere and big-city urban living, as well as the collegiality I've seen at all three of MVP. I hope it will positively affect the way I learn and get involved with law

Is this a crazy decision?? I'm hoping to eventually work for a big firm after school, but I really want to go with MVP. Anyone have personal experience with a similar decision?

Unless the "MVP" in question is Penn, I think it's a pretty risky decision without more scholarship money. C/O 2011 did much worse at M and V than at CLS or P, and it's not clear what things look like going forward.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=181415

I think it's important to note that in the recent NLJ250 numbers, out of MVPB, P and B did better than NYU and V did just as well. Only M really placed below N. The more statistics I see the more I wonder how it ever came to be CCN in the first place rather than NMVPB. (I know, I know, NYC placement)

chasgoose wrote:

Real Madrid wrote:

rayiner wrote:

sandiego222 wrote:This is a choice I'm currently making, despite a similar scholarship from CCN (though with a higher cost of living)

I really think I will enjoy the lifestyle of the MVP school significantly more than the New York/ Chicago atmosphere and big-city urban living, as well as the collegiality I've seen at all three of MVP. I hope it will positively affect the way I learn and get involved with law

Is this a crazy decision?? I'm hoping to eventually work for a big firm after school, but I really want to go with MVP. Anyone have personal experience with a similar decision?

Unless the "MVP" in question is Penn, I think it's a pretty risky decision without more scholarship money. C/O 2011 did much worse at M and V than at CLS or P, and it's not clear what things look like going forward.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=181415

I think it's important to note that in the recent NLJ250 numbers, out of MVPB, P and B did better than NYU and V did just as well. Only M really placed below N. The more statistics I see the more I wonder how it ever came to be CCN in the first place rather than NMVPB. (I know, I know, NYC placement)

There are many reasons why NYU underperforms on the NLJ numbers, but it's performance is still more similar to CC than MPVB... 80% of students who participated got an offer at EIW last year from NYU, CLS had something like an 85% success rate. I doubt the MVPB schools were as successful.

Real Madrid wrote: What are the many reasons NYU underperforms on NLJ?

Also, not that I don't believe you, but is there a link to your 80% number (other than anecdotal evidence on TLS)? And what percentage of students actually did participate?

Greenandgold wrote:

Real Madrid wrote: What are the many reasons NYU underperforms on NLJ?

Also, not that I don't believe you, but is there a link to your 80% number (other than anecdotal evidence on TLS)? And what percentage of students actually did participate?

It really doesn't. http://www.law.nyu.edu/news/REBUTTAL

rayiner wrote:

Greenandgold wrote:

Real Madrid wrote: What are the many reasons NYU underperforms on NLJ?

Also, not that I don't believe you, but is there a link to your 80% number (other than anecdotal evidence on TLS)? And what percentage of students actually did participate?

It really doesn't. http://www.law.nyu.edu/news/REBUTTAL

There is no good way to incorporate this knowledge. Presumably similar issues impact other schools? You can't just add 58 students to NYU's total. What we really want to see is NYU's own 2011 OCI data, to compare with other schools.

For someone choosing amongst the non-HYS T14 for this cycle, the big thing is uncertainty. It's plausible that M and V's 2011 performance was a fluke caused by slow-reacting OCS. It is also possible that it's the new normal, cause by these schools not having real home markets.

BruceWayne wrote:OP if you aren't trying to work in NYC or (for UChi) Chicago CCN really doesn't mean much, if anything, over other top 14 schools. The bottom line is that your 1L grades and ties will determine your job prospects between these schools. You have ties to California--the only other question is your grades. If you want NYC though, you should go to NYU regardless of how you feel about weather etc.