Loyola Chicago vs Penn State ??
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:26 pm
Any suggestions ... Penn state is giving me very little money louola is giving me none ... personal circumstances aside which one would you suggest?
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+1tfleming09 wrote:These are terrible options anyway, especially at those prices. Retake or don't go.
This doesn't make any sense. If you have the ability to compete with top students than retake. Why do you need to go now?pkrajoo wrote:i appreciate everybody's input ... but there are 200 law schools in the US and if everybody could get the scores to get into the top 15 i am sure they would. I have my reasons for not getting into top 15 even though objectively I can compete with folks going to those schools ...
but my situation is such that loyola or penn state are the two i need to pick from
penn state is a 1st tier school nationally while loyola isnt ... however loyola is ranked better by us news than penn state this year. law firms rank both schools equally but loyola students supposedly get jobs easier than penn state as soon as they graduate ... i already have what i need to get a job in the chicago market post graduation so i am not particularly concerned about that ... i have more family near penn state but i still can get into a chicago firm if i wanted too ...
so give the above ... if u had to pick one or the other which one would it be?
Exactly none of this makes sense.pkrajoo wrote:i appreciate everybody's input ... but there are 200 law schools in the US and if everybody could get the scores to get into the top 15 i am sure they would. I have my reasons for not getting into top 15 even though objectively I can compete with folks going to those schools ...
but my situation is such that loyola or penn state are the two i need to pick from
penn state is a 1st tier school nationally while loyola isnt ... however loyola is ranked better by us news than penn state this year. law firms rank both schools equally but loyola students supposedly get jobs easier than penn state as soon as they graduate ... i already have what i need to get a job in the chicago market post graduation so i am not particularly concerned about that ... i have more family near penn state but i still can get into a chicago firm if i wanted too ...
so give the above ... if u had to pick one or the other which one would it be?
Thanks for that.tfleming09 wrote: KidFucking University.
my b brosephjbarl1 wrote:Thanks for that.
OP: PSU rising 3L here if you want to PM me with questions about the school.
There's just one difference though: that 200K "investment" is going to prevent you from doing things like owning a house, buying cars, having entertainment, having kids, and saving for retirement.pkrajoo wrote:i am not arguing that the loan amount might be big or the job situation today is dire .. but that is not the whole picture ... it takes several different factors that decide the future of ur career ... the debt is an investment ... nobody knows what the economy is going to be like in 3-4 years from now ... a law degree can be used for so much more than practicing law ... and additionally money is not my end goal .. i do not need to pay it of in 2 years or 4 ... and in the grand scheme of life 200k is not a whole lot ... if u do the math of how much u spend on houses, cars, entertainment, kids and retirement ... a 200k investment will become insignificant ...
Paying jobs both summers in my area of interest.tfleming09 wrote:my b brosephjbarl1 wrote:Thanks for that.
OP: PSU rising 3L here if you want to PM me with questions about the school.
Do you have a job? How much debt are you in? What about your class?
pkrajoo wrote:i appreciate everybody's input ... but there are 200 law schools in the US and if everybody could get the scores to get into the top 15 i am sure they would. I have my reasons for not getting into top 15 even though objectively I can compete with folks going to those schools ...
but my situation is such that loyola or penn state are the two i need to pick from
penn state is a 1st tier school nationally while loyola isnt ... however loyola is ranked better by us news than penn state this year. law firms rank both schools equally but loyola students supposedly get jobs easier than penn state as soon as they graduate ... i already have what i need to get a job in the chicago market post graduation so i am not particularly concerned about that ... i have more family near penn state but i still can get into a chicago firm if i wanted too ...
so give the above ... if u had to pick one or the other which one would it be?
PSU is a pretty awful choice for PA. Pitt and Temple/Villanova are better TT choices in their respective cities. The poster above may be the exception but as a whole I'd avoid.2012JayDee wrote:pkrajoo wrote:i appreciate everybody's input ... but there are 200 law schools in the US and if everybody could get the scores to get into the top 15 i am sure they would. I have my reasons for not getting into top 15 even though objectively I can compete with folks going to those schools ...
but my situation is such that loyola or penn state are the two i need to pick from
penn state is a 1st tier school nationally while loyola isnt ... however loyola is ranked better by us news than penn state this year. law firms rank both schools equally but loyola students supposedly get jobs easier than penn state as soon as they graduate ... i already have what i need to get a job in the chicago market post graduation so i am not particularly concerned about that ... i have more family near penn state but i still can get into a chicago firm if i wanted too ...
so give the above ... if u had to pick one or the other which one would it be?
This makes not a bit of difference. Which one of these schools pans out in the long run will have NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, to do with PSU's rank as a 1st tier nationally over Loyola this year.
If you want to work in Pennsylvania go to PSU. If you want to work in the mid-west (but not necessarily Chicago) go to Loyola. If you are fine working in either the midwest or along the East coast then go to the school that will leave you the least in the hole after 3 years.
If you can get into a chicago firm if you wanted to, and you have the GPA/LSAT to get into Loyola, then apply to Depaul or John Marshall and try to milk them for a full ride plus stipend and then waltz into the firm in Chicago.
My understanding is that if you go to PSU you have your best shot in places like Harrisburg. Not Philly and Pittsburgh. Just know that. Because there is a big difference between living in Harrisburg, PA and Chicagotop30man wrote:PSU is a pretty awful choice for PA. Pitt and Temple/Villanova are better TT choices in their respective cities. The poster above may be the exception but as a whole I'd avoid.2012JayDee wrote:pkrajoo wrote:i appreciate everybody's input ... but there are 200 law schools in the US and if everybody could get the scores to get into the top 15 i am sure they would. I have my reasons for not getting into top 15 even though objectively I can compete with folks going to those schools ...
but my situation is such that loyola or penn state are the two i need to pick from
penn state is a 1st tier school nationally while loyola isnt ... however loyola is ranked better by us news than penn state this year. law firms rank both schools equally but loyola students supposedly get jobs easier than penn state as soon as they graduate ... i already have what i need to get a job in the chicago market post graduation so i am not particularly concerned about that ... i have more family near penn state but i still can get into a chicago firm if i wanted too ...
so give the above ... if u had to pick one or the other which one would it be?
This makes not a bit of difference. Which one of these schools pans out in the long run will have NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, to do with PSU's rank as a 1st tier nationally over Loyola this year.
If you want to work in Pennsylvania go to PSU. If you want to work in the mid-west (but not necessarily Chicago) go to Loyola. If you are fine working in either the midwest or along the East coast then go to the school that will leave you the least in the hole after 3 years.
If you can get into a chicago firm if you wanted to, and you have the GPA/LSAT to get into Loyola, then apply to Depaul or John Marshall and try to milk them for a full ride plus stipend and then waltz into the firm in Chicago.