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I received what I think is a very good scholarship from Loyola, which knocks tuition down to 23k a year. I am keen on attending this school but the scholarship is contingent on a 2.7 annually. Is this an unreasonable GPA? I intend on doing law school right, unlike my first few years of undergrad where I wasn't intellectually curious (i.e. I screwed around). I cannot find any suitable information on a curve or anything to that effect on this school.

My interests are in public interest, litigation. I'd like to be a public defender. I'm not in it to make money or go into corporate law or intellectual property law so I can sue college students for $675 000 in "damages" associated with P2Ping some MP3s. But, of course, I want to minimize debt and have a job that requires a JD and bar passage. International and trade law interests me as well, but again, I will not know until I take classes and study. Anyone have any viewpoints in this regard?

Most importantly, what is the curve at Loyola? A 2.7 could be deceptive if they have a very harsh curve.

Additionally, where do you want to practice? Also, do you want to be a public defender or work in litigation? They're two very specific career routes.

tfleming09 wrote:Most importantly, what is the curve at Loyola? A 2.7 could be deceptive if they have a very harsh curve.

Additionally, where do you want to practice? Also, do you want to be a public defender or work in litigation? They're two very specific career routes.

Hey what up The Dude?

I am trying to figure out the curve. I cannot find it.

I would want to live in New Orleans. I love it here. I really like Louisiana. Texas is great, but I am not aiming for it. In other words, if a great job in Texas beckons and there is nadda in LA, I would jump right on that.

I do not know what I want to do specifically. Public defense is of interest, but so would private criminal defense. Or working as a prosecutor. I don't know. I feel that I want to immerse myself in this before I declare what I want. I think anyone is fooling themselves if they know as a 0L what they want to do. But I do know I do not want to work for an oil and gas firm taking people's land. But I would love to fight on people's behalf. They say the legal market is shrinking, but I find that odd considering the government is growing/encroaching. Maybe I'm naive.

a bump for the ages! anyone with an opinion into this school and/or an opinion into the feasibility of maintaining a minimum 2.7gpa for someone who doesn't plan on dicking around in law school despite living in NOLA?

Thanks.

labf wrote:a bump for the ages! anyone with an opinion into this school and/or an opinion into the feasibility of maintaining a minimum 2.7gpa for someone who doesn't plan on dicking around in law school despite living in NOLA?

Thanks.

Sent you a PM with the relevant info but here it is!

Top 10%: 3.488
Top 25%: 3.250
Top 33%: 3.178
Top 50%: 3.017
Top 75%: 2.750

justicefishy wrote:

labf wrote:a bump for the ages! anyone with an opinion into this school and/or an opinion into the feasibility of maintaining a minimum 2.7gpa for someone who doesn't plan on dicking around in law school despite living in NOLA?

Thanks.

Sent you a PM with the relevant info but here it is!

Top 10%: 3.488
Top 25%: 3.250
Top 33%: 3.178
Top 50%: 3.017
Top 75%: 2.750

Great to know! So it shouldn't be too much of an issue if I try.

I mean the scholarship is dece, but you're basically going to an also-ran school in the market. I wouldn't do it. Retake or don't go lil breh.

You should go, that's a great scholarship and if you truly love what you want to do you'll make it happen

rad lulz wrote:I mean the scholarship is dece, but you're basically going to an also-ran school in the market. I wouldn't do it. Retake or don't go lil breh.

Seriously? What do you propose this guy do ITE?

laxbrah420 wrote:

rad lulz wrote:I mean the scholarship is dece, but you're basically going to an also-ran school in the market. I wouldn't do it. Retake or don't go lil breh.

Seriously? What do you propose this guy do ITE?

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rad lulz wrote:

laxbrah420 wrote:

rad lulz wrote:I mean the scholarship is dece, but you're basically going to an also-ran school in the market. I wouldn't do it. Retake or don't go lil breh.

Seriously? What do you propose this guy do ITE?

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Wow you guys are cynical assholes

What? I'm saying he should go bro

OP just go and enjoy mottles and baubles in 3 year, duh

Litigation is pretty easy to get into if you are passionate about it OP

Also you're not gonna do international law bro. It's not really a thing.

Now you're going to mock him? Where the fuck do you get off?

If you want New Orleans, the school is definitely legit for a decent price. If you want to live somewhere else...no. Louisiana is a bit weird. LSU if you want the whole state (loyola is better for NOLA though) and Tulane if you want more out of state options.

Edit: I'm not convinced Tulane is really worth the extra money as NOLA as its prospects don't appear THAT much better for Louisiana as a state. But again, what Tulane does do is let you spread your wings to some other states at least if need be (see Texas).

rad lulz wrote:Also you're not gonna do international law bro. It's not really a thing.

The fuck? So international legal disputes just settle themselves?

CincinnatusND wrote:

rad lulz wrote:Also you're not gonna do international law bro. It's not really a thing.

The fuck? So international legal disputes just settle themselves?

lol

OP, would you have to pay cost of living on top of tuition? COL + 23K a year tuition would be more than I would pay for Loyola's job prospects. If so, I'd retake to get a better scholly at Loyola or possibly a good offer to Tulane.

justicefishy wrote:

labf wrote:a bump for the ages! anyone with an opinion into this school and/or an opinion into the feasibility of maintaining a minimum 2.7gpa for someone who doesn't plan on dicking around in law school despite living in NOLA?

Thanks.

Sent you a PM with the relevant info but here it is!

Top 10%: 3.488
Top 25%: 3.250
Top 33%: 3.178
Top 50%: 3.017
Top 75%: 2.750

Those must be that "at graduation" GPAS (after the standard 1L curve). I know 2 years ago, Loyolas first year gpa median was a 2.67. So, unless they have quietly changed there curve, which I don't think is possible, the first year curve is a B-.

RedBirds2011 wrote:If you want New Orleans, the school is definitely legit for a decent price. If you want to live somewhere else...no. Louisiana is a bit weird. LSU if you want the whole state (loyola is better for NOLA though) and Tulane if you want more out of state options.

Edit: I'm not convinced Tulane is really worth the extra money as NOLA as its prospects don't appear THAT much better for Louisiana as a state. But again, what Tulane does do is let you spread your wings to some other states at least if need be (see Texas).

This is the one reason I am reluctant. I do not know if I want to live in Louisiana for a long time. I love NOLA and I loooooooove weird. But I love Texas and I know I would love it there. I got accepted to South Tx College of Law as well as I loooove Houston, and Texas has more population, more cities, more job prospects, more options.

I still need to think about this.

goldenflash19 wrote:OP, would you have to pay cost of living on top of tuition? COL + 23K a year tuition would be more than I would pay for Loyola's job prospects. If so, I'd retake to get a better scholly at Loyola or possibly a good offer to Tulane.

No, no COLA. But I have saved up ~$40 000. The loans where I am from are interests free until 6 months after graduation. Grants are included in those loans.

Define "job prospects". Do you mean finding a legal job in general, such as public interest jobs like public defense or finding a job with big law so I can sue single mothers for $550 000/downloaded MP3? Or take over people's land in imminent domain claims?

If I want to be rich, I'd take the risk adverse route, like becoming an air traffic controller, elevator repairman, miner, etc. I'm not doing this for the money. And if I want to be comfortable, I'd stay with the airline I'm currently working for.

I also want to point out that I'm an outsider....from canaduh. I love NOLA but I do not know if it is the best trajectory for finding work so I can settle in the USA. That, and the civil/common law programs... I would hate to take civil law and be locked into LA.

Other choice is South TX College of law.... seems like there is more choice, more opportunity that way.

Aberzombie1892 wrote:

justicefishy wrote:

labf wrote:a bump for the ages! anyone with an opinion into this school and/or an opinion into the feasibility of maintaining a minimum 2.7gpa for someone who doesn't plan on dicking around in law school despite living in NOLA?

Thanks.

Sent you a PM with the relevant info but here it is!

Top 10%: 3.488
Top 25%: 3.250
Top 33%: 3.178
Top 50%: 3.017
Top 75%: 2.750

Those must be that "at graduation" GPAS (after the standard 1L curve). I know 2 years ago, Loyolas first year gpa median was a 2.67. So, unless they have quietly changed there curve, which I don't think is possible, the first year curve is a B-.

THERE IS A SCHOOL WITH A B- MEDIAN?!?!!?

labf wrote:Define "job prospects". Do you mean finding a legal job in general, such as public interest jobs like public defense or finding a job with big law so I can sue single mothers for $550 000/downloaded MP3? Or take over people's land in imminent domain claims?

If I want to be rich, I'd take the risk adverse route, like becoming an air traffic controller, elevator repairman, miner, etc. I'm not doing this for the money. And if I want to be comfortable, I'd stay with the airline I'm currently working for.

By "job prospects," I mean finding meaningful, full-time legal employment. Check out lawschooltransparency.com for Loyola NOLA. Less than 60% of grads were reported as having full-time legal jobs. None of these jobs are school-funded, but this figure is still disconcerting. I would not take out a lot of loans to go there, especially in light of the fact you don't have ties to the area.