It should be top 18, not top 14 Forum
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False. The T14 are "special" because they're the only schools to ever have been ranked a Top 10 by UNSWR. So until Vandy, UT, UCLA, whateva, gets named a Top 10, the current T14 are going to be the only ones at the grown-ups' table.
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If the real Tyler the Creator saw how much you use the phrase "little breh," he would rap about stabbing you instead ofBruno Mars.Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:It's T12 + Michigan and GULC. Welcum to ITE little breh.
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So that's arbitrary and false.SnapSnapSnap wrote:False. The T14 are "special" because they're the only schools to ever have been ranked a Top 10 by UNSWR. So until Vandy, UT, UCLA, whateva, gets named a Top 10, the current T14 are going to be the only ones at the grown-ups' table.
If anything, let's make it Top 10 and leave it there. Top 10 is simple to understand and easy to remember.
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+1Tom Joad wrote:Should be T12.
ETA: Congrats on getting into one of Texas, UCLA, Vandy or USC.
As a person who is attending a "T18," I still feel like it shouldn't be broadened. It's not that TX, UCLA, Vandy, and USC aren't elite universities. It's just that they don't keep pace with the others in every way.
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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14
T2 or bust.
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But even that's arbitrary. Are the T2 Harvard and Yale or Yale and Stanford?NJPitcher wrote:T2 or bust.
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I know, let me get my pitch-forkNova wrote:Hey guys!! How bout Top 19!?! No? ok.
tfleming09 wrote:Blatant anti-UMN trolling
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Hey, I can selectively post stats too!99.9luft wrote:UtilityMonster wrote:Well, neither is Georgetown or Cornell.shoeshine wrote:Nope, USC is not in the same class of school as MVP CCN. T18 would be meaningless.
LOL, what is this Trojan trolling? Have you seen the Biglaw employment numbers for Cornell?: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/goto%20l ... s_main.pdf
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... slreturn=1
Damn Cornell, 38%???
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UtilityMonster wrote:Why? Because Texas, UCLA, Vandy and USC all have strong national reputations, strong admissions statistics, and good employment statistics. There is a large cutoff in law school quality after USC, which is a league above the rest. So, I don't think there should be some huge line drawn between Cornell and UCLA. The next four schools are high quality as well, but quickly taper off after USC.
What do you think?
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I see your point. T7 or bust. No, T9. Fine, T4 it is.lisjjen wrote:But even that's arbitrary. Are the T2 Harvard and Yale or Yale and Stanford?NJPitcher wrote:T2 or bust.
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I still like T10. We have 10 fingers. Bam.NJPitcher wrote:I see your point. T7 or bust. No, T9. Fine, T4 it is.lisjjen wrote:But even that's arbitrary. Are the T2 Harvard and Yale or Yale and Stanford?NJPitcher wrote:T2 or bust.
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So Michigan is like the deformed finger that got stuck in a meat grinder?lisjjen wrote:I still like T10. We have 10 fingers. Bam.NJPitcher wrote:I see your point. T7 or bust. No, T9. Fine, T4 it is.lisjjen wrote:But even that's arbitrary. Are the T2 Harvard and Yale or Yale and Stanford?NJPitcher wrote:T2 or bust.
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lol I was thinking the same fucking thing.lisjjen wrote:If the real Tyler the Creator saw how much you use the phrase "little breh," he would rap about stabbing you instead ofBruno Mars.Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:It's T12 + Michigan and GULC. Welcum to ITE little breh.
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Cornell has been ranked ahead of GULC for years. Cornell, Duke, and NU used to flip and GULC was the T-14 gate keeper. So you're obviously unfamiliar with the year to year rankings.UtilityMonster wrote:Why? Because Texas, UCLA, Vandy and USC all have strong national reputations, strong admissions statistics, and good employment statistics. There is a large cutoff in law school quality after USC, which is a league above the rest. So, I don't think there should be some huge line drawn between Cornell and UCLA. The next four schools are high quality as well, but quickly taper off after USC.
What do you think?
T14 = the 14 schools always ranked in top 14 and at some point ranked in top 10. USC, UCLA, UT, and Vandy are undoubtedly just a step behind the T14 and ahead of the rest, ... But making a T18 cut off would actually be more arbitrary than T14. But sure...
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TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).
Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.
In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that
Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.
In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that
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+1.Nova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).
Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.
In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that
Most of the older attorneys I talk to seem to say T25 is a good cutoff.
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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14
T12 brehNova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).
Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.
In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that
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I've never seen job posting as for T-14. I have seen job posting that refer to top 20, top 25, top 50, tier 1 and "elite."minnbills wrote:+1.Nova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).
Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.
In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that
Most of the older attorneys I talk to seem to say T25 is a good cutoff.
So T-14 is not seen as a real qualifier by any legal hiring managers I've seen. However, WHAT IS TRUE, is that the T-14 are certainly always going to be in each of the categories above.
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Hiring managers all know T-14. They use "top 10 or 15 schools" as code to avoid sounding like they know, but I've seen them slip.
Anyway, look at my UN-employment ranking for 2011: over half unemployed or underemployed at USC, versus 30% at Mich and 25% at NU. That's what we call a drop-off.
Anyway, look at my UN-employment ranking for 2011: over half unemployed or underemployed at USC, versus 30% at Mich and 25% at NU. That's what we call a drop-off.
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Egregious WUSTL trollingNova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).
Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.
In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that
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Seriously, why wouldn't they just say T-14? What do they care?rayiner wrote:Hiring managers all know T-14. They use "top 10 or 15 schools" as code to avoid sounding like they know, but I've seen them slip.
Anyway, look at my UN-employment ranking for 2011: over half unemployed or underemployed at USC, versus 30% at Mich and 25% at NU. That's what we call a drop-off.
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They have to pretend it's not all a prestige whoring game.danquayle wrote:Seriously, why wouldn't they just say T-14? What do they care?rayiner wrote:Hiring managers all know T-14. They use "top 10 or 15 schools" as code to avoid sounding like they know, but I've seen them slip.
Anyway, look at my UN-employment ranking for 2011: over half unemployed or underemployed at USC, versus 30% at Mich and 25% at NU. That's what we call a drop-off.
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Ok, so why say "top 10 or 15 schools" then? Isn't a requiring a top 10 school or top 15 inherently also about prestige whoring? Isn't asking for ANY "top" school prestige whoring? I don't see why asking for a t-14 school all of a sudden makes it prestige whoring, but asking for a t-10 school wouldn't be.SaintFond wrote:They have to pretend it's not all a prestige whoring game.danquayle wrote:Seriously, why wouldn't they just say T-14? What do they care?rayiner wrote:Hiring managers all know T-14. They use "top 10 or 15 schools" as code to avoid sounding like they know, but I've seen them slip.
Anyway, look at my UN-employment ranking for 2011: over half unemployed or underemployed at USC, versus 30% at Mich and 25% at NU. That's what we call a drop-off.
And do you really think law firms care about being perceived as prestige hungry? I think they're rather explicit about that.
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WUSTTTL is TTT25 these days.SaintFond wrote:Egregious WUSTL trollingNova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).
Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.
In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that
No, but seriously... people talk about rankings being meaningless, but then cling to these distinctions.
Any distinction between lesser T1s is mostly arbitrary. This year there are 32 T30s, 42 T40s. Baylor, UHLC, and SMU are all ranked 51-57. TTop of TT. Saying Utah Pepperdine and American are better schools simply because they are T1 would be crazy.
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