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Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:52 am
by halfmoongirl
Aside from $20k from an education fund that will be used towards paying tuition for the first year of law school, I'll be taking out loans to pay for tuition. I have an (affordable) apartment in New York City already, and am planning to use savings (and in later years, summer earnings) to pay for living expenses.
Not sure what field I want to go into, but I am interested in a federal clerkship after law school, and possibly want to work at the USAO/DOJ, or big law followed by public interest.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:53 am
by flem
Given your goals, NYU by a mile
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:53 am
by Tadatsune
Definitely NYU.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:54 am
by Doorkeeper
Yea, you have to swallow that debt with NYU. Is there no Michigan/Duke/Northwestern with scholarship money?
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:55 am
by Golden Bear 11
NYU. The OCI statistics people are posting for Columbia look great- it's probably similar at NYU.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:03 am
by dixiecupdrinking
NYU and it's not close.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:31 am
by halfmoongirl
Yea, you have to swallow that debt with NYU. Is there no Michigan/Duke/Northwestern with scholarship money?
Waitlisted at Mich and Duke, on hold at Northwestern. But I'm a nyc native with strong family/friend ties here, and have this apartment on lease anyway and don't want to put up with moving expenses. What I like about NYU is the opportunity to do an externship at the USAO for EDNY or SDNY.
But let's say all I wanted was biglaw- would nyu still be the obvious choice that's worth $60k more in debt?
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:32 am
by flem
halfmoongirl wrote:
But let's say all I wanted was biglaw- would nyu still be the obvious choice that's worth $60k more in debt?
Yeah, NYU's placement is significantly stronger.
NYU placed 68% into federal/firms of 101+, Fordham placed 37%
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... Bd3c&gid=7
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:33 am
by Nelson
halfmoongirl wrote:
But let's say all I wanted was biglaw- would nyu still be the obvious choice that's worth $60k more in debt?
Yes.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:41 am
by dixiecupdrinking
halfmoongirl wrote:But let's say all I wanted was biglaw- would nyu still be the obvious choice that's worth $60k more in debt?
Biglaw placement is where NYU's advantage is
most pronounced. I know NYU at sticker price is a lot of money, but $60k at Fordham doesn't even get you in the ballpark.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:29 pm
by rickgrimes69
halfmoongirl wrote:
But let's say all I wanted was biglaw- would nyu still be the obvious choice that's worth $60k more in debt?
Yuuuuuuup
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Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:17 pm
by Tadatsune
halfmoongirl wrote:Yea, you have to swallow that debt with NYU. Is there no Michigan/Duke/Northwestern with scholarship money?
Waitlisted at Mich and Duke, on hold at Northwestern. But I'm a nyc native with strong family/friend ties here, and have this apartment on lease anyway and don't want to put up with moving expenses. What I like about NYU is the opportunity to do an externship at the USAO for EDNY or SDNY.
But let's say all I wanted was biglaw- would nyu still be the obvious choice that's worth $60k more in debt?
Look, Fordham simply isn't offering you enough money. There isn't any question here.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:02 pm
by dingbat
halfmoongirl wrote:
But let's say all I wanted was biglaw- would nyu still be the obvious choice that's worth $60k more in debt?
Then especially NYU.
An argument for Fordham over NYU can be made if your long term goals require minimal debt (eg public interest, notary law)
But for biglaw and federal clerkship, there's no discussion
disclaimer: I chose Fordham (with money) over NYU
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:10 pm
by kaiser
Absolutely NYU. It is easy to get NYC biglaw out of NYU. At Fordham, it would be much more difficult, and there is much less room for error. $60K buys you an invaluable insurance blanket.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:55 pm
by halfmoongirl
What are the chances that NYU will offer some money based on Fordham's offer? close to none, right?
My dream job is USAO-SDNY/EDNY. I talked to a lawyer who said that only grads from Columbia, Harvard, Yale, "Northeastern" (huh? did they mean Northwestern?), and Stanford get jobs there, and only after working for a white shoe law firm. Do NYU grads get hired at these hard-to-get government jobs?
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:56 pm
by halfmoongirl
disclaimer: I chose Fordham (with money) over NYU
how much money, and why?
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:06 pm
by ahnhub
For your federal gov't goal, you will probably need Biglaw, or Biglaw + federal clerkship. Knowing that, I would turn down a full ride at Fordham for sticker NYU.
PI I have no idea. But there's all kinds of PI, and I imagine the kind you're interested in is probably much, much more accessible from NYU.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:30 pm
by justicefishy
NYU.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:47 pm
by OnceUponAMemo
dixiecupdrinking wrote:NYU and it's not close.
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+1.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:47 pm
by dixiecupdrinking
halfmoongirl wrote:What are the chances that NYU will offer some money based on Fordham's offer? close to none, right?
My dream job is USAO-SDNY/EDNY. I talked to a lawyer who said that only grads from Columbia, Harvard, Yale, "Northeastern" (huh? did they mean Northwestern?), and Stanford get jobs there, and only after working for a white shoe law firm. Do NYU grads get hired at these hard-to-get government jobs?
That lawyer is ridiculously out of touch. That list of schools is nonsense even if they did mean Northwestern. NYU grads definitely can get these jobs as well as the other T10 schools can.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:35 pm
by rayiner
halfmoongirl wrote:What are the chances that NYU will offer some money based on Fordham's offer? close to none, right?
My dream job is USAO-SDNY/EDNY. I talked to a lawyer who said that only grads from Columbia, Harvard, Yale, "Northeastern" (huh? did they mean Northwestern?), and Stanford get jobs there, and only after working for a white shoe law firm. Do NYU grads get hired at these hard-to-get government jobs?
That's either egregious Northeastern trolling or slightly less egregious but still pretty egregious and slightly confused Northwestern trolling.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:20 am
by CanadianWolf
NYU.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:25 am
by quiver
tfleming09 wrote:Given your goals, NYU by a mile
100% agree with this (and everyone else). Full ride at Fordham vs. sticker at NYU would be a closer question but here I think the choice is pretty clear.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:38 pm
by top30man
quiver wrote:tfleming09 wrote:Given your goals, NYU by a mile
100% agree with this (and everyone else). Full ride at Fordham vs. sticker at NYU would be a closer question but here I think the choice is pretty clear.
Re: Fordham $60k vs. NYU sticker
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:22 pm
by emkay625
This is not even close. NYU.