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Ialdabaoth wrote:http://abovethelaw.com/2011/12/the-univ ... llow-suit/

The above ATL article discusses how Yale and Chicago now publish legitimate, detailed employment data on their websites. Today, I read that UVA also makes these statistics available.

Does anyone have a list of all T14 (and beyond if possible) schools that do likewise? If not, maybe we could make this a research/compilation thread. Here are the links for the first three:

Yale - http://www.law.yale.edu/studentlife/cdo ... tstats.htm
Chicago - http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective/employmentdata
UVA - http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm

observationalist wrote:

Ialdabaoth wrote:http://abovethelaw.com/2011/12/the-univ ... llow-suit/

The above ATL article discusses how Yale and Chicago now publish legitimate, detailed employment data on their websites. Today, I read that UVA also makes these statistics available.

Does anyone have a list of all T14 (and beyond if possible) schools that do likewise? If not, maybe we could make this a research/compilation thread. Here are the links for the first three:

Yale - http://www.law.yale.edu/studentlife/cdo ... tstats.htm
Chicago - http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective/employmentdata
UVA - http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm

The level of detail on the Yale/Chicago stats actually isn't that great. It just doesn't matter for those schools because the outcomes are consistently strong for virtually everyone in the class. For example, neither distinguishes jobs based on whether they are full time or part time, whether they are permanent or temporary, or whether they were funded by the law school. (UVA, to its credit, does identify the very large percentage of graduates whose jobs were funded by the school). It is likely the case that few to none of their grads failed to find full-time gigs, although both schools probably helped at least a couple graduates with post-grad stipends. For schools where the job outcomes are not as strong and where there are serious questions as to what people are doing for work, there is certainly a duty to disclose the job stats with greater granularity than what Chicago has chosen to do. Even at the top schools this would also apply to the larger programs, since it's more likely they'll have gaps in the data due to the difficulty of tracking everyone down.

ATL may be writing a follow-up on this that looks at a number of other programs and might help you in compiling a list.

koalatriste wrote:NYU:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

booboo wrote:First, please don't say as far down, I don't appreciate the insinuation that the ranking of UVA is that significant, especially in light of employment statistics that look quite comparable to the higher end of the rankings. .

I think it will be adopted by other schools, as I think it may be the ABA pushing schools to release data like this. Will it happen quickly is a whole other matter.

als2011 wrote:This is a link to Cornell's employment stats.

http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/career ... istics.cfm


Key component that seems to be lacking here is the JD/Bar passage required for job entry criteria.

Also, Cornell reports the placement stats for current 1Ls and 2Ls. In general, all of these institutions could do a far better job in reporting employment stats.

Ialdabaoth wrote:

als2011 wrote:This is a link to Cornell's employment stats.

http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/career ... istics.cfm


Key component that seems to be lacking here is the JD/Bar passage required for job entry criteria.

Also, Cornell reports the placement stats for current 1Ls and 2Ls. In general, all of these institutions could do a far better job in reporting employment stats.

Thanks for that link! Not hatin' but these data don't seem to be on quite the same level as the rest though. Salary numbers are lacking, and they don't lay out percentages as clearly.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "JD/Bar passage required for job entry criteria," but aren't bar passage rates readily available in the US News rankings? Albeit they might only be published in the pay version.

als2011 wrote:

Ialdabaoth wrote:

als2011 wrote:This is a link to Cornell's employment stats.

http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/career ... istics.cfm


Key component that seems to be lacking here is the JD/Bar passage required for job entry criteria.

Also, Cornell reports the placement stats for current 1Ls and 2Ls. In general, all of these institutions could do a far better job in reporting employment stats.

Thanks for that link! Not hatin' but these data don't seem to be on quite the same level as the rest though. Salary numbers are lacking, and they don't lay out percentages as clearly.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "JD/Bar passage required for job entry criteria," but aren't bar passage rates readily available in the US News rankings? Albeit they might only be published in the pay version.

No, I agree entirely that Cornell's stats are not as thorough as those provided by the other law schools to which you have thus far provided links. I wished to provide them simply for comparisons sake. I'm not sure how far you wish to take this project, but perhaps it is worthwhile to consider categorizing the quality of an institutions reported employment statistics in relation to its peers. I don't necessarily mean evaluating each one, but perhaps creating brackets that let readers know if the employment stats published by a school are (for example) Excellent, Good, Fair, or Poor.

Also, what I meant by my "JD/Bar passage" statement was that Cornell does not publish the information pertaining to alums who are employed in jobs for which a JD or Bar passage is required. This is a statistic that is perhaps less relevant for T14 schools, however, it is a crucial piece of information, as many schools publish high-employment statistics without clarifying the nature of the employment their graduates were in. For example, how many students, upon graduation, found themselves "employed," but not in the legal sector--perhaps returning to old careers or scrounging up low income retail work after not having any luck in the legal market. Every law school should be required to make public how many of its graduates are actually employed in legal work upon requiring a JD upon graduation. Unfortunately, many do not.

ScrabbleChamp wrote:Michigan: http://www.law.umich.edu/careers/classs ... stats.aspx

ScrabbleChamp wrote:Michigan: http://www.law.umich.edu/careers/classs ... stats.aspx

TemporarySaint wrote:

ScrabbleChamp wrote:Michigan: http://www.law.umich.edu/careers/classs ... stats.aspx

Wow. Looks like Michigan did get hammered a bit for c/o 2010.

ihhwap1 wrote:Duke and Penn have always had somewhat detailed employment statistics, though perhaps they will update them to match the newer/more detailed layout of other t14s.

Duke: http://www.law.duke.edu/career/resources/facts

Penn: http://www.law.upenn.edu/cpp/prospectiv ... stics.html

bk187 wrote:NU has generally had more detailed stats than normal but I think they made them more detailed since I last saw them.

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/career/statistics/

NYC Law wrote:Just checked out BU out of curiosity and their stats are impressively detailed now: http://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/caree ... html#stats

It's also pretty damn depressing that only 71% of the class of '10 had a full time job 9 months out.

Ialdabaoth wrote:

NYC Law wrote:Just checked out BU out of curiosity and their stats are impressively detailed now: http://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/caree ... html#stats

It's also pretty damn depressing that only 71% of the class of '10 had a full time job 9 months out.

Yeah, looks pretty rough. Also, I wish they had more charts/tables and less writing, haha. I felt like they just really wanted to say that even though the legal market is kind of sucking, BU is still great.