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I'd imagine this would be so with ties.dpk711 wrote:Penn might actually place better in MN than Minn.
You want to make this unproductive of success? If that's the case, then go to Minnesota.dapperdanman wrote:U Minn= Full-tuition scholly
Penn= Front-loaded, named (If it matters), half-tuition scholarship
Want gainful MN employment.
Keeping it vague to make this as fruitless as possible.
Please weigh in if keen.
how sure are you about going to MN after graduation? if you are sure, then go U Minn. If you aren't sure, go Penn. Lots of folks on this board put higher weight on rankings than reasonable.jerries wrote:Thanks again all. As it stands though, I am completely ambivalent. I guess I'm not worried about servicing the debt at Penn. I have substantial connections to the Twin Cities, so if I perform well I assume that I can get some job that will allow me to make monthly payments, and though I don't expect to do poorly during 1L, the Silverman-Rodin (Levy loser consolation) covers tuition for the first year, so I can pull the plug and sell crack in Philly if for some reason it's exceptionally terrible.
The thing is, I've heard from a hiring partner at the biggest firm in MSP that they consider candidates from (roughly) the same class rank from U Minn and any non-HYS T14. I was surprised by this, but firms in town seem pretty loyal to U Minn. I am set on MSP, so I'm wondering if Penn would really be worth ~70k more + the forgone networking opportunities in my market. Can anyone else speak intelligently (or otherwise) on the placement power of T14's vs. top schools in insular secondary markets? More info shouldn't hurt.
I'm growing increasingly aprreciative of participation.
tl;dr: (please do)
Insanity. Pure insanity. Markets always prefer their own and firms always rely on their pre-established pipelines. For Minneapolis, every law firm in the city is going to be recruiting at UMINN. How many firms bother with Penn? Only the top ones I'd imagine. At Penn, maybe you get an advantage over Minnesota when the firms actually recruit at both schools, but you're not going to be getting a full lineup of Minnesota options. You also have to consider that Mid-Sized firms are risk averse.HeavenWood wrote:I'd imagine this would be so with ties.dpk711 wrote:Penn might actually place better in MN than Minn.
I don't think this is always true. Every small, mid and big law firm, and the same goes for public service, has told me that I should skip out on WUSTL/SLU if landed T14. Sure, there are recruiting and OCI issues, but it seemed that they were more receptive to someone who could compare local high schools than someone who attended a local law school.danquayle wrote: Insanity. Pure insanity. Markets always prefer their own and firms always rely on their pre-established pipelines. For Minneapolis, every law firm in the city is going to be recruiting at UMINN. How many firms bother with Penn? Only the top ones I'd imagine. At Penn, maybe you get an advantage over Minnesota when the firms actually recruit at both schools, but you're not going to be getting a full lineup of Minnesota options. You also have to consider that Mid-Sized firms are risk averse.
Hence, the reference to ties. Is the Minnesota legal market insular to the point that a native who attends an East Coast T14 would be at an automatic disadvantage? I'm not familiar with Minnesota, so I'm asking.danquayle wrote:Insanity. Pure insanity. Markets always prefer their own and firms always rely on their pre-established pipelines.HeavenWood wrote:I'd imagine this would be so with ties.dpk711 wrote:Penn might actually place better in MN than Minn.
And St. Paul.danquayle wrote:For Minneapolis, every law firm in the city is going to be recruiting at UM.
Not a disadvantage, but not the expected T14 advantage. The Indianapolis market is a lot like this as well. They'd just as soon have a solid IU-B student, or even a top IU-I student as they would to have a top student from Duke or Cornell. I wouldd think that, way up there in Minnesota, bowing to their Walter Mondale statue, that the situation is similarHeavenWood wrote:Hence, the reference to ties. Is the Minnesota legal market insular to the point that a native who attends an East Coast T14 would be at an automatic disadvantage? I'm not familiar with Minnesota, so I'm asking.danquayle wrote:Insanity. Pure insanity. Markets always prefer their own and firms always rely on their pre-established pipelines.HeavenWood wrote:I'd imagine this would be so with ties.dpk711 wrote:Penn might actually place better in MN than Minn.
JamMasterJ wrote:Where'd you pick?
Dany wrote:JamMasterJ wrote:Where'd you pick?
I'm pretty sure Penn's placement is closer to 50%.thexfactor wrote:wow im surprised that you put more weight on MINN employment over actual meaningful employment.
Upenn biglaw placement is 40% and Minn is around 15%. That s a huge difference. Almost a 3x difference. 70k isn't nearly enough in my opinion.
However, good luck on law school and I hope the safe play pays off.