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Edit: Got some more info about NYU.. looks like NYU is TCR.

Thanks, everyone!

NYU >> UVA for PI. Also > UVA for most other specializations.

In my opinion, yes, unless you think you'll legitimately be unhappy at NYU.

arism87 wrote:-

If you get a full ride at NYU, take it. If not, see how much you get. If it's close to what UVA is offering, go to NYU. If UVA is offering substantially more, then go to UVA.

IMHO, you should table your happiness (even if you think you'll be unhappy @ NYU) and save 90K debt.

Thanks everyone so far- and please keep it coming! - but can you please remove my quotes? That's more detail than I care to have on here at the moment

glewz wrote:

ATR wrote:

arism87 wrote:I know NYU is the better school and either program would provide amazing opportunities. Too much to pass up?

In my opinion, yes, unless you think you'll legitimately be unhappy at NYU.

IMHO, you should table your happiness (even if you think you'll be unhappy @ NYU) and save 90K debt.

Well the debt will probably be equal if I get a scholarship at NYU due to differences in COL- but I'm guessing you're still going with NYU?

Do you have the scholarship at NYU or not? If you do have the full ride go to NYU, if you don't go to UVA. As far as the job thing it won't make a difference unless your goal is a NYC only organization.

BruceWayne wrote:Do you have the scholarship at NYU or not? If you do have the full ride go to NYU, if you don't go to UVA. As far as the job thing it won't make a difference unless your goal is a NYC only organization.

I don't, I just want to be ready to make an informed decision if that time comes. The odds are decent enough to worry, I think.

So you think if costs end up being equal, it won't matter for jobs?

You're supposed to pay back the RTK if you don't go into public interest, right? It doesn't sound like you're ready to commit to that. Given everything you've said I think UVA is a legitimate choice, at least a 50/50 option. I do think you should at least visit NYU, though, it may exceed your expectations.

arism87 wrote:

BruceWayne wrote:Do you have the scholarship at NYU or not? If you do have the full ride go to NYU, if you don't go to UVA. As far as the job thing it won't make a difference unless your goal is a NYC only organization.

I don't, I just want to be ready to make an informed decision if that time comes. The odds are decent enough to worry, I think.

So you think if costs end up being equal, it won't matter for jobs?

PI jobs/orgs will not care whether you attend UVA or NYU. They will care about (1) your grades (2) demonstrated commitment to PI. If what the above poster says about having to pay back NYU for the scholarship if you don't do PI, the answer is UVA hands down.

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I just got done visiting NYU. If you don't like big cities, you are NOT going to like NYU. There is no campus at all. It feels like its 4 blocks of school buildings amidst the city. Make sure you visit before you make up your mind. That being said, NYU>UVA

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Curry wrote:I just got done visiting NYU. If you don't like big cities, you are NOT going to like NYU. There is no campus at all. It feels like its 4 blocks of school buildings amidst the city. Make sure you visit before you make up your mind. That being said, NYU>UVA

Just so you know OP people are pulling this from 2 places: 1. US News numerical rank and 2. their ass. NYU is definitely not > UVA unless you're talking about working in a NYC law firm--which you aren't.

(caveat: I'm making a similar choice, not a student at either)

If you're interested in PI, the LRAP is very very different. UVA stops paying once you hit 75k. There does not appear to be an adjustment for time in the program. If you're looking at federal government jobs, you're likely to hit 75k pretty fast. For many others, it still seems likely you'll hit 75 before 10 years are up. Also, you start paying at 55k.
For NYU's new LRAP you start paying at 75k and there's no cap.

BruceWayne wrote:

Curry wrote:I just got done visiting NYU. If you don't like big cities, you are NOT going to like NYU. There is no campus at all. It feels like its 4 blocks of school buildings amidst the city. Make sure you visit before you make up your mind. That being said, NYU>UVA

Just so you know OP people are pulling this from 2 places: 1. US News and 2. their ass. NYU is definitely not > UVA unless you're talking about working in a NYC law firm--which you aren't.

Uh.. Its also one of the best schools in the country for PI, places better everywhere except maybe DC, has a better reputation, considerably better LRAP program, has better professors, more interdisciplinary options, and is just all around a better school :/

jimraynor wrote:(caveat: I'm making a similar choice, not a student at either)

If you're interested in PI, the LRAP is very very different. UVA stops paying once you hit 75k. There does not appear to be an adjustment for time in the program. If you're looking at federal government jobs, you're likely to hit 75k pretty fast. For many others, it still seems likely you'll hit 75 before 10 years are up. Also, you start paying at 55k.
For NYU's new LRAP you start paying at 75k and there's no cap.

The only pi jobs where you will hit 75K "pretty fast" are DOJ and SEC. If she ends up with the type of GPA that will land her that sort of position paying off her debt will no longer be of any concern regardless of which school she chooses.

Curry wrote: Uh.. Its also one of the best schools in the country for PI, places better everywhere except maybe DC, has a better reputation, considerably better LRAP program, has better professors, more interdisciplinary options, and is just all around a better school :/

Did you pull this from their brochure? PI employers aren't digging deeper into NYU's class than they are UVA's. It doesn't have a better reputation (in fact it has had a lower lawyer/judge score assessment score in US News than UVA for several years), it doesn't place better anywhere except NYC, and the professor thing is totally subjective and means nothing to a student applying for jobs. That's only relevant to things like attracting wide eyed interested applicants.

The one.closer to dc

If you get a full ride at NYU with no strings attached, I think you'd be crazy to settle for less at UVA. If you get no money at NYU, I think you'd be crazy to turn down $90k at UVA. If the NYU full ride requires you to pay it back if you don't go PI, you shouldn't take it if you're anything less than 100% committed to PI.

The differences in employment prospects within the T-10 (outside of HYS) are not that great, so I'm an advocate of following the money, although some people disagree.

BruceWayne wrote: Did you pull this from their brochure? PI employers aren't digging deeper into NYU's class than they are UVA's. It doesn't have a better reputation (in fact it has had a lower lawyer/judge score assessment score in US News than UVA for several years), it doesn't place better anywhere except NYC, and the professor thing is totally subjective and means nothing to a student applying for jobs. That's only relevant to things like attracting wide eyed interested applicants.

I suspect you're wrong about this, because connections etc. are important in PI and NYU has one of the bigger PI networks around. Also, despite OP's feelings about big cities, the internship/clinical opportunities from being in NYC versus Charlottesville are a world apart. As I have no objective evidence, though, I don't imagine my opinion much matters to you, which is fine.

Cavalier wrote:If you get a full ride at NYU with no strings attached, I think you'd be crazy to settle for less at UVA. If you get no money at NYU, I think you'd be crazy to turn down $90k at UVA. If the NYU full ride requires you to pay it back if you don't go PI, you shouldn't take it if you're anything less than 100% committed to PI.

The differences in employment prospects within the T-10 (outside of HYS) are not that great, so I'm an advocate of following the money, although some people disagree.

I agree. I think following the money is credited here. If equal money visit both and see which one you prefer.

BruceWayne wrote:

Curry wrote: Uh.. Its also one of the best schools in the country for PI, places better everywhere except maybe DC, has a better reputation, considerably better LRAP program, has better professors, more interdisciplinary options, and is just all around a better school :/

Did you pull this from their brochure? PI employers aren't digging deeper into NYU's class than they are UVA's. It doesn't have a better reputation (in fact it has had a lower lawyer/judge score assessment score in US News than UVA for several years), it doesn't place better anywhere except NYC, and the professor thing is totally subjective and means nothing to a student applying for jobs. That's only relevant to things like attracting wide eyed interested applicants.

lol so the basis for your argument is a lawyer/judge score assessment that has a 12% response rate and anecdotal evidence about PI, while ignoring LRAP, ignoring the fact that NYU is considered by pretty much everyone as the best PI school in the country outside of HYS, and the fact that it has much more of a national reach than UVA given its huge PI network.

BruceWayne wrote:

jimraynor wrote:(caveat: I'm making a similar choice, not a student at either)

If you're interested in PI, the LRAP is very very different. UVA stops paying once you hit 75k. There does not appear to be an adjustment for time in the program. If you're looking at federal government jobs, you're likely to hit 75k pretty fast. For many others, it still seems likely you'll hit 75 before 10 years are up. Also, you start paying at 55k.
For NYU's new LRAP you start paying at 75k and there's no cap.

The only pi jobs where you will hit 75K "pretty fast" are DOJ and SEC. If she ends up with the type of GPA that will land her that sort of position paying off her debt will no longer be of any concern regardless of which school she chooses.

Curry wrote: Uh.. Its also one of the best schools in the country for PI, places better everywhere except maybe DC, has a better reputation, considerably better LRAP program, has better professors, more interdisciplinary options, and is just all around a better school :/

Did you pull this from their brochure? PI employers aren't digging deeper into NYU's class than they are UVA's. It doesn't have a better reputation (in fact it has had a lower lawyer/judge score assessment score in US News than UVA for several years), it doesn't place better anywhere except NYC, and the professor thing is totally subjective and means nothing to a student applying for jobs. That's only relevant to things like attracting wide eyed interested applicants.

This is credited. The lawyer rep is higher at UVA. The firm rank is that same

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=150780

UVA would be much more enjoyable then NYU, COL and quality of life are something to be thought of. Not just a slight difference in rankings. I would take UVA in a heartbeat (given you dont get a scholly from NYU)

Cavalier wrote:If you get a full ride at NYU with no strings attached, I think you'd be crazy to settle for less at UVA. If you get no money at NYU, I think you'd be crazy to turn down $90k at UVA. If the NYU full ride requires you to pay it back if you don't go PI, you shouldn't take it if you're anything less than 100% committed to PI.

The differences in employment prospects within the T-10 (outside of HYS) are not that great, so I'm an advocate of following the money, although some people disagree.

+1 NYU does have a great PI OCI from what I understand, but if you are really dedicated to PI it should be about $$$ within the T14.