Michigan, UCLA, Vanderbilt, or Texas?
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:32 pm
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Thanks for the help!
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Texas is not a bad option, but I wouldn't take it if you weren't pretty sure you wanted to work in Texas.ATR wrote:Thanks for the responses so far! I hope the visits help me get a better idea of where to go.I messed up in the OP -- I have in-state tuition at Texas, so residency's a moot point. My mistake.Richie Tenenbaum wrote:Also- You're right about how difficult it is to establish residency in TX. You basically have to live here for a year first, before starting school. There was a land-owning loophole, but I think state legislature closed it off.
ETA: kinda surprised at Michigan's domination in the poll.
This. You can also cross Vandy and Texas off the list.fatduck wrote:I think it's pretty much between Michigan and UCLA (assuming you can get residency). Michigan will give you the best biglaw opportunities in the markets you're interested in. UCLA will limit your market choice, but will also give you a good shot at biglaw for about half the price. I think either one is acceptable, depending on how much the debt worries you. Michigan should also give you a better shot at selective clerkships.
A lot of good thoughts in the above. Not necessarily endorsing all of it, but I think you definitely need to think about how bad you want to be in California. Feel free to PM me if you want more specific thoughts.Richie Tenenbaum wrote:I think you need to try and come up with a better idea of where you want to work and live after graduation.
If CA-->UCLA
If TX-->UT
If you are unsure, then it's a harder question. Michigan will keep more doors open and maximize your chances at big law and a clerkship, if you're willing to pay a little extra. Vanderbilt allows you to keep close to your family and friend base while in school.
Patriot1208 wrote:You don't know where you want to go, you haven't spent significant time in California, and you aren't sure if you want to be in the south? That means definitly go to Michigan.
This. I'm amazed the responses in this thread haven't more closely matched the poll - they should.Patriot1208 wrote:You don't know where you want to go, you haven't spent significant time in California, and you aren't sure if you want to be in the south? That means definitly go to Michigan.
It's totally respectable to pick Michigan in this situation, but explain "geographic mobility," and what you think that means exactly. Where (geographically) does Michigan allow OP to go (other than Detroit) that he can't go from Vandy (and probably Texas/UCLA as well--I just know more about Vandy)?FlightoftheEarls wrote:This. I'm amazed the responses in this thread haven't more closely matched the poll - they should.Patriot1208 wrote:You don't know where you want to go, you haven't spent significant time in California, and you aren't sure if you want to be in the south? That means definitly go to Michigan.
/Michigan trolling - but seriously, biglaw and clerkships? Geographic mobility? Michigan is TCR here.
Michigan has more firms from across the country than any of the other three do. The other three all have very region oriented OCI.drylo wrote:It's totally respectable to pick Michigan in this situation, but explain "geographic mobility," and what you think that means exactly. Where (geographically) does Michigan allow OP to go (other than Detroit) that he can't go from Vandy (and probably Texas/UCLA as well--I just know more about Vandy)?FlightoftheEarls wrote:This. I'm amazed the responses in this thread haven't more closely matched the poll - they should.Patriot1208 wrote:You don't know where you want to go, you haven't spent significant time in California, and you aren't sure if you want to be in the south? That means definitly go to Michigan.
/Michigan trolling - but seriously, biglaw and clerkships? Geographic mobility? Michigan is TCR here.
Yeah, I understand that. And it is interesting that Michigan grads disperse so much, but you're not trying to tell me that Notre Dame is a secret key to get into markets that you otherwise couldn't get into, so I'm not sure why it means that for Michigan. We are talking specifically about the OP's prospects. Name some markets that Michigan will get him into that those other schools will not.Patriot1208 wrote:Michigan has more firms from across the country than any of the other three do. The other three all have very region oriented OCI.drylo wrote:It's totally respectable to pick Michigan in this situation, but explain "geographic mobility," and what you think that means exactly. Where (geographically) does Michigan allow OP to go (other than Detroit) that he can't go from Vandy (and probably Texas/UCLA as well--I just know more about Vandy)?FlightoftheEarls wrote:This. I'm amazed the responses in this thread haven't more closely matched the poll - they should.Patriot1208 wrote:You don't know where you want to go, you haven't spent significant time in California, and you aren't sure if you want to be in the south? That means definitly go to Michigan.
/Michigan trolling - but seriously, biglaw and clerkships? Geographic mobility? Michigan is TCR here.
Also, this is interesting: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=150843
The point is not that it will get him somewhere the others won't. The point is that Michigan provides that easiest opportunity to keep his options open. If OP goes to UCLA, he'll have a harder time getting to Dallas and it will require a lot more legwork. If OP goes to texas he'll have to do more leg work to get to LA. If OP goes to Michigan he has provided himself with the an easier time to reach out to all the regions he is interested in.drylo wrote:Yeah, I understand that. And it is interesting that Michigan grads disperse so much, but you're not trying to tell me that Notre Dame is a secret key to get into markets that you otherwise couldn't get into, so I'm not sure why it means that for Michigan. We are talking specifically about the OP's prospects. Name some markets that Michigan will get him into that those other schools will not.Patriot1208 wrote:Michigan has more firms from across the country than any of the other three do. The other three all have very region oriented OCI.drylo wrote:It's totally respectable to pick Michigan in this situation, but explain "geographic mobility," and what you think that means exactly. Where (geographically) does Michigan allow OP to go (other than Detroit) that he can't go from Vandy (and probably Texas/UCLA as well--I just know more about Vandy)?FlightoftheEarls wrote:This. I'm amazed the responses in this thread haven't more closely matched the poll - they should.
/Michigan trolling - but seriously, biglaw and clerkships? Geographic mobility? Michigan is TCR here.
Also, this is interesting: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=150843
You're a 0L, no? (Your post gives it away.) I should have been more clear: I want somebody who knows what they are talking about to name some markets that OP could not break into from Vandy/etc., but could break into from Michigan.Patriot1208 wrote:The point is not that it will get him somewhere the others won't. The point is that Michigan provides that easiest opportunity to keep his options open. If OP goes to UCLA, he'll have a harder time getting to Dallas and it will require a lot more legwork. If OP goes to texas he'll have to do more leg work to get to LA. If OP goes to Michigan he has provided himself with the an easier time to reach out to all the regions he is interested in.drylo wrote:Yeah, I understand that. And it is interesting that Michigan grads disperse so much, but you're not trying to tell me that Notre Dame is a secret key to get into markets that you otherwise couldn't get into, so I'm not sure why it means that for Michigan. We are talking specifically about the OP's prospects. Name some markets that Michigan will get him into that those other schools will not.
you're right: there is probably no legal market that would hire a michigan grad but would never consider a vandy grad. this ignores the question of op's class rank, which is stupid. for most markets, firms will reach deeper into michigan's class than vandy's.drylo wrote:You're a 0L, no? (Your post gives it away.) I should have been more clear: I want somebody who knows what they are talking about to name some markets that OP could not break into from Vandy/etc., but could break into from Michigan.Patriot1208 wrote:The point is not that it will get him somewhere the others won't. The point is that Michigan provides that easiest opportunity to keep his options open. If OP goes to UCLA, he'll have a harder time getting to Dallas and it will require a lot more legwork. If OP goes to texas he'll have to do more leg work to get to LA. If OP goes to Michigan he has provided himself with the an easier time to reach out to all the regions he is interested in.drylo wrote:Yeah, I understand that. And it is interesting that Michigan grads disperse so much, but you're not trying to tell me that Notre Dame is a secret key to get into markets that you otherwise couldn't get into, so I'm not sure why it means that for Michigan. We are talking specifically about the OP's prospects. Name some markets that Michigan will get him into that those other schools will not.
I don't know why you made it personal, as his point is completely valid. But if you want to be a dick about it, that's fine, so let me be clear - being at Michigan, I got offers in NYC, SF (quite possibly the hardest market during 2010's OCI, maybe even above DC), and Arizona, all through OCI. You want to talk about keeping options open, please try to get offers in all of those markets through OCI at Vandy, UCLA, or Texas, and let me know how it works out for you.drylo wrote:You're a 0L, no? (Your post gives it away.) I should have been more clear: I want somebody who knows what they are talking about to name some markets that OP could not break into from Vandy/etc., but could break into from Michigan.Patriot1208 wrote:The point is not that it will get him somewhere the others won't. The point is that Michigan provides that easiest opportunity to keep his options open. If OP goes to UCLA, he'll have a harder time getting to Dallas and it will require a lot more legwork. If OP goes to texas he'll have to do more leg work to get to LA. If OP goes to Michigan he has provided himself with the an easier time to reach out to all the regions he is interested in.drylo wrote:Yeah, I understand that. And it is interesting that Michigan grads disperse so much, but you're not trying to tell me that Notre Dame is a secret key to get into markets that you otherwise couldn't get into, so I'm not sure why it means that for Michigan. We are talking specifically about the OP's prospects. Name some markets that Michigan will get him into that those other schools will not.