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Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:21 pm
by whitman
Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.
Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:58 pm
by rebexness
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:02 pm
by dr123
dr123 wrote:There's the North West and the Mountain West and then there's everything else
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:05 pm
by D-ROCCA
It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:10 pm
by lolschool2011
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.
Not true, I think everyone would agree Cleveland is an epic town to live in/practice law:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:04 pm
by whitman
whitman wrote:Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.
Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.
I think it's fairly well known that certain markets, like NYC and DC, pretty much require associates to produce absurd billable hours. Maybe that is or isn't true for a place like Nashville or Minneapolis or Denver. This is what I'm asking. Not, "What city is objectively the best place to live?"
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:04 pm
by Curry
lolschool2011 wrote:D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.
Not true, I think everyone would agree Cleveland is an epic town to live in/practice law:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
Lebron James disagrees.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:10 pm
by Hey-O
whitman wrote:whitman wrote:Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.
Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.
I think it's fairly well known that certain markets, like NYC and DC, pretty much require associates to produce absurd billable hours. Maybe that is or isn't true for a place like Nashville or Minneapolis or Denver. This is what I'm asking. Not, "What city is objectively the best place to live?"
I think you should have asked the question "What city is objectively the best place to live?" It would make for a lively debate.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:13 pm
by BruceWayne
whitman wrote:whitman wrote:Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.
Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.
I think it's fairly well known that certain markets, like NYC and DC, pretty much require associates to produce absurd billable hours. Maybe that is or isn't true for a place like Nashville or Minneapolis or Denver. This is what I'm asking. Not, "What city is objectively the best place to live?"
Atlanta fits the bill. The trouble is getting a SA position and then not getting No-- offered. I believe the Texas cities are similar.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:16 pm
by whitman
Hey-O wrote:whitman wrote:whitman wrote:Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.
Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.
I think it's fairly well known that certain markets, like NYC and DC, pretty much require associates to produce absurd billable hours. Maybe that is or isn't true for a place like Nashville or Minneapolis or Denver. This is what I'm asking. Not, "What city is objectively the best place to live?"
I think you should have asked the question "What city is objectively the best place to live?" It would make for a lively debate.
Good thing we already settled that.
We'd all like to flee to the Cleve.
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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:40 pm
by helloperson
lolschool2011 wrote:D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.
Not true, I think everyone would agree Cleveland is an epic town to live in/practice law:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU0JpyH1gC8
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:46 pm
by rman1201
I hear Detroit is nice this time of year
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:49 pm
by justadude55
That's right - pay is all relative. Raw #'s might sound sexy to the ladies, but at the end of the day taxes and cost of living can make 80K in Idaho far superior to 150K in NYC.
The one thing is that down the line when your eventually born kids go to college, raw numbers start to mean a lot more.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:57 pm
by CanadianWolf
Personal preference question. Denver, Seattle, Portland (both Oregon & Maine), Atlanta, Minneapolis, Chicago, Salt Lake City & Charlotte are a few nice places to live in my opinion. Southern California air quality is a negative. NYC is either a love it or hate it destination. Vancouver, Victoria, Toronto & Ottawa if planning to practice in Canada.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:22 pm
by imbored25
Seattle
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:25 pm
by Veyron
Mountain West has the highest rate of pay besides Texas after COL adjustments, reasonable hours, and a very close knit and friendly legal community.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:26 pm
by dr123
Veyron wrote:Mountain West has the highest rate of pay besides Texas after COL adjustments, reasonable hours, and a very close knit and friendly legal community.
Very credited some of the attnys I work with will leave the office before 5 on some days
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:33 pm
by Alex-Trof
lolschool2011 wrote:D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.
Not true, I think everyone would agree Cleveland is an epic town to live in/practice law:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
Not everyone. I vote for Detroit. Unfortunately, very tough market to break into. Mercy and Cooley grads have that place cornered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmF ... ature=fvwp
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:35 pm
by rman1201
Those new GM commercials actually make Detroit look... 'cool'... rather than the post-apocalyptic grounds it seems to have become.
On that note - anyone know of any good Detroit area schools specializing in Automobile Law?
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:38 pm
by TheOcho
Minneapolis rates well, although it does get real cold.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:48 pm
by deadpoetnsp
TheOcho wrote:Minneapolis rates well, although it does get real cold.
I second Minneapolis-St. Paul too. It is a very good place to get a city feel without the city pressure.
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:51 pm
by lostinspace
Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:36 pm
by cornellbeez
All of this depends on what firm you are looking at. (Associates at GDC in Denver still compete for work.) In general, markets in the South probably have the lowest billables. A problem is having ties. You must have ties for the South.