2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official) Forum

Non-Chalant1 · Post by **Non-Chalant1** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:44 pm

I can see how they would rank wisconsin that high. It's a premier research university and it has a lot more departments/schools than Duke. It has quality and quantity. These rankings aren't just undergrad or anything like that. But if Wisconsin's up there. I'd be curious to see where Berkeley, Michigan and UVA are sitting.

AreJay711 · Post by **AreJay711** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:45 pm

Non-Chalant1 wrote:I can see how they would rank wisconsin that high. It's a premier research university and it has a lot more departments/schools than Duke. It has quality and quantity. These rankings aren't just undergrad or anything like that. But if Wisconsin's up there. I'd be curious to see where Berkeley, Michigan and UVA are sitting.

Follow the link?

paulinaporizkova · Post by **paulinaporizkova** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:45 pm

Non-Chalant1 wrote:I can see how they would rank wisconsin that high. It's a premier research university and it has a lot more departments/schools than Duke. It has quality and quantity. These rankings aren't just undergrad or anything like that. But if Wisconsin's up there. I'd be curious to see where Berkeley, Michigan and UVA are sitting.

Thank you.

ArthurDigbySellers · Post by **ArthurDigbySellers** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:49 pm

rman1201 wrote:I know the Charlie Sheen talk is getting old but... anyone going to see him on tour? Its only $20-30... if I can manage to get a ticket it seems awesome

Damn! Those are bargain-basement prices!

OGR3 · Post by **OGR3** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:50 pm

ArthurDigbySellers wrote:
rman1201 wrote:I know the Charlie Sheen talk is getting old but... anyone going to see him on tour? Its only $20-30... if I can manage to get a ticket it seems awesome
Damn! Those are bargain-basement prices!

They're non-refundable, so when he ODs the joke's on you!

Non-Chalant1 · Post by **Non-Chalant1** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:58 pm

AreJay711 wrote:
Non-Chalant1 wrote:I can see how they would rank wisconsin that high. It's a premier research university and it has a lot more departments/schools than Duke. It has quality and quantity. These rankings aren't just undergrad or anything like that. But if Wisconsin's up there. I'd be curious to see where Berkeley, Michigan and UVA are sitting.
Follow the link?

Yeah I know I'm being a bum and I was watching basketball. That's crazy though. Berkeley at number 4? UCLA at 12 and Michigan at 13. That's crazy.

Bumi · Post by **Bumi** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:03 pm

Non-Chalant1 wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
Non-Chalant1 wrote:I can see how they would rank wisconsin that high. It's a premier research university and it has a lot more departments/schools than Duke. It has quality and quantity. These rankings aren't just undergrad or anything like that. But if Wisconsin's up there. I'd be curious to see where Berkeley, Michigan and UVA are sitting.
Follow the link?
Yeah I know I'm being a bum and I was watching basketball. That's crazy though. Berkeley at number 4? UCLA at 12 and Michigan at 13. That's crazy.

The fact that Virginia didn't even crack the list would blow the minds of half the people in the commonwealth.

trayball23 · Post by **trayball23** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:04 pm

No Notre Dame? yikes

thebookcollector · Post by **thebookcollector** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:07 pm

trayball23 wrote:No Notre Dame? yikes

ND sucks at research. It doesn't emphasize it, and it lacks the part of a university that brings in the research recognition: a medical school.

That said, this list is bizarre. ARWU does a much better job.

danquayle · Post by **danquayle** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:16 pm

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Looks pretty similar actually.

I actually prefer the Times. Think its more accurate.

Keep in mind these are the "Global reputation." Great liberal arts colleges like Williams would barely register on the global scene. Why would it? It caters to a small, mostly domestic elite population. We're talking about global footprint, so its no surprise to see the major universities with huge alumni bases and tons of research heavily represented.

ThreeYears · Post by **ThreeYears** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:23 pm

danquayle wrote:http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp

Looks pretty similar actually.

I actually prefer the Times. Think its more accurate.

They evaluate the quality of education by counting the number of alumni who won Nobel and Fields. They also evaluate the quality of the faculty by the numbers of the staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields. This is fucked up on so many levels.

At least two very important factors are not considered: 1. how rich is the university (endowment), 2. How loyal is the alumni base (donation rate).

Barbie · Post by **Barbie** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:25 pm

Tomorrow, right??

I'm excited!

akili · Post by **akili** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:26 pm

Barbie wrote:Tomorrow, right?? I'm excited!

Technically tonight at 12:01 EST...

eta: I know that 12:01 counts as tomorrow, but it's still tonight!

danquayle · Post by **danquayle** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:26 pm

ThreeYears wrote:
danquayle wrote:http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp

Looks pretty similar actually.

I actually prefer the Times. Think its more accurate.
They evaluate the quality of education by counting the number of alumni who won Nobel and Fields. They also evaluate the quality of the faculty by the numbers of the staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields. This is fucked up on so many levels.

Like I said... it's global reputation. It's not speaking about quality or selectiveness or anything like that. What we're essentially talking about is brand penetration. I'm not surprised quantity matters more than quality in that regard.

danquayle · Post by **danquayle** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:27 pm

ThreeYears wrote:
danquayle wrote:http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp

Looks pretty similar actually.

I actually prefer the Times. Think its more accurate.
They evaluate the quality of education by counting the number of alumni who won Nobel and Fields. They also evaluate the quality of the faculty by the numbers of the staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields. This is fucked up on so many levels.

At least two very important factors are not considered: 1. how rich is the university (endowment), 2. How loyal is the alumni base (donation rate).

How do those things have ANYTHING to do with global reputation?

They point at a lot of other things... research capability, success of alumni, implicitly success in finding and educating the right people, ability to hire quality professors, etc...

But not global brand penetration. Like I said, we're not talking about quality but rather reputation here. There's a difference.

Barbie · Post by **Barbie** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:27 pm

akili wrote:
Barbie wrote:Tomorrow, right?? I'm excited!
Technically tonight at 12:01 EST...

Thats when you think itll be posted? Or does it say that somewhere?

FeelTheHeat · Post by **FeelTheHeat** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:27 pm

Barbie wrote:Tomorrow, right?? I'm excited!

Midnight, I think. Love to see what happens to UF/FSU/UM.

Barbie · Post by **Barbie** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:29 pm

FeelTheHeat wrote:
Barbie wrote:Tomorrow, right?? I'm excited!
Midnight, I think. Love to see what happens to UF/FSU/UM.

Yeah I typically go to sleep in like 30 minutes but I might wait up and watch Sex and the City 2 just because I'm so curious!!

akili · Post by **akili** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:29 pm

Barbie wrote:
akili wrote:
Barbie wrote:Tomorrow, right?? I'm excited!
Technically tonight at 12:01 EST...
Thats when you think itll be posted? Or does it say that somewhere?

There's a countdown on the USNWR website apparently. I'm just waiting for it to hit here!

tttlllsss · Post by **tttlllsss** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:30 pm

Barbie wrote:
akili wrote:
Barbie wrote:Tomorrow, right?? I'm excited!
Technically tonight at 12:01 EST...
Thats when you think itll be posted? Or does it say that somewhere?

US News has an official website for these things, believe it or not

danquayle · Post by **danquayle** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:30 pm

FeelTheHeat wrote:
Barbie wrote:Tomorrow, right?? I'm excited!
Midnight, I think. Love to see what happens to UF/FSU/UM.

You mean... "El Heat"?

How ridiculous is it that the NBA thinks adding "El" and "Los" to the team names on the uniform is somehow going to appeal more strongly to Hispanic viewers. I'd kind of be insulted...

northwood · Post by **northwood** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:30 pm

holy cow its 930 allready?? where did the night go?

thecilent · Post by **thecilent** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:32 pm

Is it weird that I'm like legit excited for this?

ect88 · Post by **ect88** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:32 pm

I think we all just really, really enjoy waiting for things. And by enjoy, I mean are addicted to.

Barbie · Post by **Barbie** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:32 pm

tttlllsss wrote:
Barbie wrote:
akili wrote:
Barbie wrote:Tomorrow, right?? I'm excited!
Technically tonight at 12:01 EST...
Thats when you think itll be posted? Or does it say that somewhere?
US News has an official website for these things, believe it or not

I'm on the website and don't see a cool countdown or anything

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