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Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:44 pm
by willbrittany
I've been accepted to Harvard, Berkeley and Georgetown. I'm trying to make a decision as to where to attend, but I'm feeling pretty torn up over the different factors to consider:
- I haven't finished my financial aid paperwork, so I have no clue what kind of money I'll get. However, since law schools have this annoying tendency to ask for both parents' income info, I have a feeling I won't be getting very much--even though I didn't receive assistance from my father throughout my childhood.
- I'm an URM (both AA and LGBT). I bring this up because I don't know if it will impact the money I get offered, and because I want to attend a school with sufficient resources for Black and LGBT students. I attended UW-Madison for undergrad, and while I love the place, I don't feel like putting myself through that kind of tokenism again.
- I want to go into public interest law. Of course, this choice also limits my income prospects, and how able I'll be to pay off those fun student loans.
- A big part of me wants to say to hell with everything and just go to Harvard, cost be damned.
Any thoughts/suggestions?
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:45 pm
by A&O
All things being equal, go to Harvard. If Berkeley or Georgetown throws a substantial amount of money at you, then come back. But unless it's at least close to a full scholarship, go to Harvard.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:48 pm
by bk1
A&O wrote:All things being equal, go to Harvard. If Berkeley or Georgetown throws a substantial amount of money at you, then come back. But unless it's at least close to a full scholarship, go to Harvard.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:53 pm
by bilbobaggins
Visit all three on admit days if possible and see how you feel about each school. Go where you'll be happy because you'll likely be very successful regardless of your choice.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:56 pm
by bk1
bilbobaggins wrote:Visit all three on admit days if possible and see how you feel about each school. Go where you'll be happy because you'll likely be very successful regardless of your choice.
This is not as true if one ends up submedian at GULC (or possibly even Boalt).
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:56 pm
by vanwinkle
bk187 wrote:A&O wrote:All things being equal, go to Harvard. If Berkeley or Georgetown throws a substantial amount of money at you, then come back. But unless it's at least close to a full scholarship, go to Harvard.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:04 pm
by 09042014
bk187 wrote:bilbobaggins wrote:Visit all three on admit days if possible and see how you feel about each school. Go where you'll be happy because you'll likely be very successful regardless of your choice.
This is not as true if one ends up submedian at GULC (or
possibly definitely Boalt).
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:08 pm
by paulinaporizkova
harvard. hi fellow badger
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:22 pm
by trudat15
I cant speak for the AA or Gay community at any school, but if you are interested in PI, Harvard has one of the best LRAPs around, so $ shouldnt be that big a factor.
But really, how is this even a question?
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:40 pm
by bilbobaggins
bk187 wrote:bilbobaggins wrote:Visit all three on admit days if possible and see how you feel about each school. Go where you'll be happy because you'll likely be very successful regardless of your choice.
This is not as true if one ends up submedian at GULC (or possibly even Boalt).
True until you factor in URM hiring.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:40 pm
by bk1
bilbobaggins wrote:True until you factor in URM hiring.
From everything on TLS, I highly doubt this is going to make up for bad grades.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:43 pm
by St.Remy
vanwinkle wrote:bk187 wrote:A&O wrote:All things being equal, go to Harvard. If Berkeley or Georgetown throws a substantial amount of money at you, then come back. But unless it's at least close to a full scholarship, go to Harvard.
Also, ignore Bilbo.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:34 am
by bilbobaggins
You should probably ignore me if you want the perspective of someone who has observed two years of 2L OCIP and two years of 1L OCIP. What's your perspective based on?
There is a significant effort made by firms to attract URM candidates. I cannot speak to Georgetown, but this is what I have observed at Boalt.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:03 am
by vanwinkle
bilbobaggins wrote:There is a significant effort made by firms to attract URM candidates. I cannot speak to Georgetown, but this is what I have observed at Boalt.
This is true, but it still doesn't change the fact that OP would still be tremendously better off going to Harvard over either Boalt or GULC if they're all at sticker.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:19 am
by Borhas
if you're parents aren't wealthy the financial aid at Harvard would probably still result in a cheaper price tag than either of the other schools
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:26 am
by tea_drinker
trudat15 wrote:I cant speak for the AA or Gay community at any school, but if you are interested in PI, Harvard has one of the best LRAPs around, so $ shouldnt be that big a factor.
But really, how is this even a question?
Doesn't Boalt also have one of the best LRAPs, maybe second only to Yale? But reiterate what the majority has said, Harvard seems to be a good choice.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:33 am
by Eugenie Danglars
I don't know about Black community at HLS, but their OUTlaw is very active, and it's a very welcoming environment.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:57 am
by worldtraveler
The guy said he wanted public interest and yet posters still started arguing about firm placement.
OP, what kind of public interest are you exactly interested in? There is a big range out there.
I can't speak to the climate at other schools, but at Berkeley being AA and LGBT would certainly not make you a token. We do have a far less active LGBT law group than other schools. However, that could be because the LGBT population is really quite high because it's, well, Berkeley. Like any other law school, there are not a ton of AA students. However, there is a pretty active club for students of African descent.
You can PM me if you want, but if you are more specific of what kind of public interest you are considering, I could probably tell you a bit at least about what Berkeley would offer you.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:14 am
by bk1
bilbobaggins wrote:You should probably ignore me if you want the perspective of someone who has observed two years of 2L OCIP and two years of 1L OCIP. What's your perspective based on?
There is a significant effort made by firms to attract URM candidates. I cannot speak to Georgetown, but this is what I have observed at Boalt.
I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems that more 2L's seem to say it doesn't matter than that it does.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:34 am
by glewz
Visit all three if you can. If you're sure about PI law, Berkeley and Harvard should have outstanding LRAPs; duno which one's better, but I'm sure you can draw distinctions.
If you're unfamiliar with LRAP: it's basically a loan relief program that is contingent upon a certain # years in Public Interest work. Schools often have different definitions of what qualifies as public interest, (e.g. salary caps, list of organizations) amount of $ paid off, your annual payment(s), leeway in working in non-public interest fields / switching back n forth, etc.
On the LGBT note, Berkeley --> SF --> the world's LGBT center
Keep in mind that URM does give you a boost in recruiting. For example, if you are a big more open to considering corporate law, look towards SEO: --LinkRemoved--
Deadline is Feb 15 - it's basically an awesome (and much easier) way to get fed clerkships & firm contacts. AA only (i think)
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:50 am
by vanwinkle
glewz wrote:Visit all three if you can. If you're sure about PI law, Berkeley and Harvard should have outstanding LRAPs; duno which one's better, but I'm sure you can draw distinctions.
Dude, putting things in bold doesn't make it more right, just more annoying.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:22 pm
by FlightoftheEarls
vanwinkle wrote:bilbobaggins wrote:There is a significant effort made by firms to attract URM candidates. I cannot speak to Georgetown, but this is what I have observed at Boalt.
This is true, but it still doesn't change the fact that OP would still be tremendously better off going to Harvard over either Boalt or GULC if they're all at sticker.
Re: Berkeley vs. Georgetown vs. Harvard
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:46 pm
by HeavenWood
FlightoftheEarls wrote:vanwinkle wrote:bilbobaggins wrote:There is a significant effort made by firms to attract URM candidates. I cannot speak to Georgetown, but this is what I have observed at Boalt.
This is true, but it still doesn't change the fact that OP would still be tremendously better off going to Harvard over either Boalt or GULC if they're all at sticker.