William and Mary vs. URichmond, hear me out
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:22 pm
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Obviously Richmond firms will give UR grads a good shot at employment but I think you're better off going to WM. WM prob does pretty well in VA overall considering UVA students don't really stay in VA leaving WM as the best school in the state. Also, while you want to go to Richmond for work, WM will give you more opportunities in other cities in case you end up wanting to go to a bigger market.TyrodTaylor wrote:So I had never dreamed of becoming a big time lawyer or anything, I studied PT's for 4 months and got a 167, which I am very happy with. I was Pting 163 and have a gpa of 3.13 from va tech, so I was thinking UR would be a great option. Now with my 167, I am getting a lot of advice that I should apply and go to William and mary, and that I will probs get money there. (I am from williamsburg originally, so free housing as well, coupled with in state tuition). PAying for school is a big deal for me, and I would potentially have the option of a free ride to UR. I intend to practice in Richmond in the long run and hopefully live there. What are yalls thoughts? Is it so much of a better school that my job prospects in the Richmond area will be much greater from WM? Advice welcome
this.bk187 wrote:If you can get the stips removed from your full ride to UR, I don't see this as being that bad of an idea. Free school is a wonderful thing.
You're kidding yourself if you don't think there are a tons of people at UVA who would LOVE to get a job in Richmond (or just a job).ran12 wrote:WM prob does pretty well in VA overall considering UVA students don't really stay in VA leaving WM as the best school in the state.
That's TERRIBLE advice. W&M is the second best school in the state and will arguably cost less (when/if OP loses his full scholarship from UR). If you think Richmond firms are hiring deeper from UR than from W&M then I have a bridge to sell you.tarp wrote:The last poster is correct. Richmond Law is the place to be if you are sure you want to work in Richmond
I assume then that you have some intimate knowledge of the Richmond legal market to back this up?RVP11 wrote:That's TERRIBLE advice. W&M is the second best school in the state and will arguably cost less (when/if OP loses his full scholarship from UR). If you think Richmond firms are hiring deeper from UR than from W&M then I have a bridge to sell you.tarp wrote:The last poster is correct. Richmond Law is the place to be if you are sure you want to work in Richmond
I have a little bit of knowledge on the Richmond legal market. I'd reiterate RVP's statement. From what I understand, UR's OCI was an absolute bloodbath this past year. For the most part, only top 10% had a chance.oscodasa wrote:I assume then that you have some intimate knowledge of the Richmond legal market to back this up?RVP11 wrote:That's TERRIBLE advice. W&M is the second best school in the state and will arguably cost less (when/if OP loses his full scholarship from UR). If you think Richmond firms are hiring deeper from UR than from W&M then I have a bridge to sell you.tarp wrote:The last poster is correct. Richmond Law is the place to be if you are sure you want to work in Richmond
Aqualibrium wrote:I have a little bit of knowledge on the Richmond legal market. I'd reiterate RVP's statement. From what I understand, UR's OCI was an absolute bloodbath this past year. For the most part, only top 10% had a chance.oscodasa wrote:I assume then that you have some intimate knowledge of the Richmond legal market to back this up?RVP11 wrote:That's TERRIBLE advice. W&M is the second best school in the state and will arguably cost less (when/if OP loses his full scholarship from UR). If you think Richmond firms are hiring deeper from UR than from W&M then I have a bridge to sell you.tarp wrote:The last poster is correct. Richmond Law is the place to be if you are sure you want to work in Richmond
I'm not trying to say that UR grads are guaranteed employment. I have lived and worked in Richmond for nearly my entire life and the legal market's largest representation is from UR. It is highly regarded in the area and I don't believe W&M grads have any particular advantage over UR grads in Richmond.
W&M is pretty cheap in state, and op wouldn't be hit hard by cost of living because of his situation. Sounds like the best deal to me. Also, op doesn't have a full ride offer in hand from Richmond yet. His stats may look good for one, but stranger things have happened. At this point, we're essentially making a comparison between Richmond at sticker and W&M at sticker.
Why is intimate knowledge needed for that?oscodasa wrote:I assume then that you have some intimate knowledge of the Richmond legal market to back this up?RVP11 wrote:That's TERRIBLE advice. W&M is the second best school in the state and will arguably cost less (when/if OP loses his full scholarship from UR). If you think Richmond firms are hiring deeper from UR than from W&M then I have a bridge to sell you.tarp wrote:The last poster is correct. Richmond Law is the place to be if you are sure you want to work in Richmond
Yes, you do. I've talked to lawyers in Dallas who have told me that they hire more people from SMU year to year than UT grads. They hire them because they can pay them less and they are less of a flight risk. Lawyers i talked to in indianapolis said that if I intended to work in indy then i had no business going to Indiana Bloomington over Indiana indianapolis, even though bloomington is like 50 places higher. Tons of firms have strong ties to the colleges that are supposedly not as good as the higher ranked firms. the best thing for OP to do is talk to a bunch of lawyer in richmond and then compare the schools that way. U.S. News isn't worshiped in the real world the way it is on TLS.RVP11 wrote:Why is intimate knowledge needed for that?oscodasa wrote:I assume then that you have some intimate knowledge of the Richmond legal market to back this up?RVP11 wrote:That's TERRIBLE advice. W&M is the second best school in the state and will arguably cost less (when/if OP loses his full scholarship from UR). If you think Richmond firms are hiring deeper from UR than from W&M then I have a bridge to sell you.tarp wrote:The last poster is correct. Richmond Law is the place to be if you are sure you want to work in Richmond
Do you need "intimate knowledge" of the Dallas legal market to know that UT > SMU in Dallas? Do you need "intimate knowledge" of the San Diego legal market to know that UCLA > USD in San Diego?
I was asking as someone with immediate knowledge to the contrary and wanted to know why the OP thought otherwise.RVP11 wrote:Why is intimate knowledge needed for that?oscodasa wrote:I assume then that you have some intimate knowledge of the Richmond legal market to back this up?RVP11 wrote:That's TERRIBLE advice. W&M is the second best school in the state and will arguably cost less (when/if OP loses his full scholarship from UR). If you think Richmond firms are hiring deeper from UR than from W&M then I have a bridge to sell you.tarp wrote:The last poster is correct. Richmond Law is the place to be if you are sure you want to work in Richmond
Do you need "intimate knowledge" of the Dallas legal market to know that UT > SMU in Dallas? Do you need "intimate knowledge" of the San Diego legal market to know that UCLA > USD in San Diego?
That says nothing about how deep into each class they're going to get people. They're going deeper into UT's class - who cares if they end up with more people from SMU?bergg007 wrote:Yes, you do. I've talked to lawyers in Dallas who have told me that they hire more people from SMU year to year than UT grads.
A) How exactly are people who went to UT a "flight risk" in Dallas any more than people who went to SMU?bergg007 wrote:They hire them because they can pay them less and they are less of a flight risk.
What does USNWR have to do with this?bergg007 wrote:U.S. News isn't worshiped in the real world the way it is on TLS.
This is sorta BS reasoning. Yes, UR is in Richmond; however, W&M is only 40 minutes away. W&M is a far better school, has a cheaper sticker price, and provides far better exit options both in Virginia and the Mid-Atlantic.tarp wrote:I am from Virginia and I can pretty much say that UR and W&M are both good choices if you want to practice in Richmond, but the connections you will make and the fact that you are IN richmond at UR, can easily do externships and attend local bar events, and will likely have some local attorneys as your instructors, will give you an advantage. In the end, they are both good schools and you will get a J.D. so finding a job is your own responsibility.
/threadvamedic03 wrote:This is sorta BS reasoning. Yes, UR is in Richmond; however, W&M is only 40 minutes away. W&M is a far better school, has a cheaper sticker price, and provides far better exit options both in Virginia and the Mid-Atlantic.tarp wrote:I am from Virginia and I can pretty much say that UR and W&M are both good choices if you want to practice in Richmond, but the connections you will make and the fact that you are IN richmond at UR, can easily do externships and attend local bar events, and will likely have some local attorneys as your instructors, will give you an advantage. In the end, they are both good schools and you will get a J.D. so finding a job is your own responsibility.