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http://www.law.northwestern.edu/career/statistics/

Check the links above, and you will realize that Rutgers Newark has got almost a similar employment statistics as Northwestern. Oh right, this is true! You know what, forget about T14, send your apps to Rutgers Newark, and just wait for big money! Best luck!

gilstevexxx wrote:http://law.newark.rutgers.edu/career-de ... statistics

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/career/statistics/

Check the links above, and you will realize that Rutgers Newark has got almost a similar employment statistics as Northwestern. Oh right, this is true! You know what, forget about T14, send your apps to Rutgers Newark, and just wait for big money! Best luck!

those rutgers stats weren't overly impressive, and how is that student making 112k in academia right out of law school?

on the other end, NW being the best for salaries is kind of misleading IMO, because they go out of their way to take people who already have job (i.e. money making experience before LS). this is to say that these people are on average already better at making $ and maybe at presenting themselves than are their peers at the other t-14. this doesn't mean in 5 yrs, they're still #1 when their peers catch their experience.

justadude55 wrote:

gilstevexxx wrote:http://law.newark.rutgers.edu/career-de ... statistics

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/career/statistics/

Check the links above, and you will realize that Rutgers Newark has got almost a similar employment statistics as Northwestern. Oh right, this is true! You know what, forget about T14, send your apps to Rutgers Newark, and just wait for big money! Best luck!

those rutgers stats weren't overly impressive, and how is that student making 112k in academia right out of law school?

on the other end, NW being the best for salaries is kind of misleading IMO, because they go out of their way to take people who already have job (i.e. money making experience before LS). this is to say that these people are on average already better at making $ and maybe at presenting themselves than are their peers at the other t-14. this doesn't mean in 5 yrs, they're still #1 when their peers catch their experience.

So you're saying that at T-0 NW people do better because they have better experience, but that at T-5 they no longer have more experience? Or that, once in the legal field, their prior experience becomes obsolete and everything starts from scratch? Both these propositions sound kind of, idk, silly. Though the first is almost certainly more untenable than the second.

let/them/eat/cake wrote:

justadude55 wrote:

gilstevexxx wrote:http://law.newark.rutgers.edu/career-de ... statistics

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/career/statistics/

Check the links above, and you will realize that Rutgers Newark has got almost a similar employment statistics as Northwestern. Oh right, this is true! You know what, forget about T14, send your apps to Rutgers Newark, and just wait for big money! Best luck!

those rutgers stats weren't overly impressive, and how is that student making 112k in academia right out of law school?

on the other end, NW being the best for salaries is kind of misleading IMO, because they go out of their way to take people who already have job (i.e. money making experience before LS). this is to say that these people are on average already better at making $ and maybe at presenting themselves than are their peers at the other t-14. this doesn't mean in 5 yrs, they're still #1 when their peers catch their experience.

So you're saying that at T-0 NW people do better because they have better experience, but that at T-5 they no longer have more experience? Or that, once in the legal field, their prior experience becomes obsolete and everything starts from scratch? Both these propositions sound kind of, idk, silly. Though the first is almost certainly more untenable than the second.

i'm saying harvard and yale take kids that are probably a bit more intelligent where as nw takes people who are very smart with career experience. i am saying it does not start from scratch at all, and the nw graduate with a bit of an advantage because their past corporate experience makes them a little more attractive than a really smart kid with no business experience. this doesn't mean the school by itself is better than HYSCCNMVP.

gilstevexxx wrote:http://law.newark.rutgers.edu/career-de ... statistics

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/career/statistics/

Check the links above, and you will realize that Rutgers Newark has got almost a similar employment statistics as Northwestern. Oh right, this is true! You know what, forget about T14, send your apps to Rutgers Newark, and just wait for big money! Best luck!

Nice first post, bro. Were you one of the few without a job? They gave you a complete breakdown of where everyone went, with salaries and employers. Seems pretty legit to me. A lot more legit than just throwing out "92% employed within 9 months, median salary $120k" which is what a lot of schools seem to do. What would you prefer Rutgers-Newark do differently?

justadude55 wrote:

gilstevexxx wrote:http://law.newark.rutgers.edu/career-de ... statistics

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/career/statistics/

Check the links above, and you will realize that Rutgers Newark has got almost a similar employment statistics as Northwestern. Oh right, this is true! You know what, forget about T14, send your apps to Rutgers Newark, and just wait for big money! Best luck!

those rutgers stats weren't overly impressive, and how is that student making 112k in academia right out of law school?

on the other end, NW being the best for salaries is kind of misleading IMO, because they go out of their way to take people who already have job (i.e. money making experience before LS). this is to say that these people are on average already better at making $ and maybe at presenting themselves than are their peers at the other t-14. this doesn't mean in 5 yrs, they're still #1 when their peers catch their experience.

Can't say specifically why someone from Class of 2009 is making $112k in academia, but you can't assume that's legal academia. I had a classmate in the night program at Rutgers Law who was already a professor of public policy, so I'm sure if he kept his job after getting his JD it would show up as working in academia.

Rutgers-Newark is a fine school and a great place to have a legal education.

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark is a fine school and a great place to have a legal education.

Seems pretty "meh" to me.

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beachbum wrote:

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark is a fine school and a great place to have a legal education.

Seems pretty "meh" to me.

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It is all relative though to the individual. Rutgers-Newark is well known in New Jersey as a good school, offers an education at a reasonable tuition, and is located in a nice city, close to public transportation and graduates would probably have a lower debt load.

The salary aspect again is all based on the individual, big law or midsized or public jobs are avaliable with in state and New York City jobs across the river.

NJcollegestudent wrote:

beachbum wrote:

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark is a fine school and a great place to have a legal education.

Seems pretty "meh" to me.

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It is all relative though to the individual. Rutgers-Newark is well known in New Jersey as a good school, offers an education at a reasonable tuition, and is located in a nice city, close to public transportation and graduates would probably have a lower debt load.

The salary aspect again is all based on the individual, big law or midsized or public jobs are avaliable with in state and New York City jobs across the river.

What do you even mean by "it's relative to the individual"? You then go on to talk about the school as a whole.

Also, the question is not whether the jobs are available (first off, they're largely not right now). The right question is whether the job is available to you as a graduate of some school. That is "relative to the individual," but job opportunities are largely informed by the school you will graduate from and the GPA you earn at that school. How many people in a school are these biglaw and midlaw jobs available to? Not everyone, especially from Rutgers Newark.

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark... is located in a nice city

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rad law wrote:

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark... is located in a nice city

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beachbum wrote:

rad law wrote:

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark... is located in a nice city

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Yeah buddy, that's what your average Newark resident looks like.

rad law wrote:

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark... is located in a nice city

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I used to live near Newark. That place gives Jersey a really bad name.

Blindmelon wrote:

rad law wrote:

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark... is located in a nice city

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I used to live near Newark. That place gives Jersey a really bad name.

Yeah it is a completely shit city. I don't know what this guy is thinking. However I am probably attending, and am aware of course that graduates everywhere aren't doing as well as we'd all like. That said, I don't think Rutgers is any worse off than any other T2. And being in a large market, with a ton of alumni and respect in at least New Jersey, and no worse hiring in NYC than other NY T2's, along with the low tuition and leniency with NJ residency for out-of-state students, I don't think Rutgers-Newark is a terrible choice. Especially with a scholarship.

champ33 wrote:

Blindmelon wrote:

rad law wrote:

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark... is located in a nice city

lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol

I used to live near Newark. That place gives Jersey a really bad name.

Yeah it is a completely shit city. I don't know what this guy is thinking. However I am probably attending, and am aware of course that graduates everywhere aren't doing as well as we'd all like. That said, I don't think Rutgers is any worse off than any other T2. And being in a large market, with a ton of alumni and respect in at least New Jersey, and no worse hiring in NYC than other NY T2's, along with the low tuition and leniency with NJ residency for out-of-state students, I don't think Rutgers-Newark is a terrible choice. Especially with a scholarship.

+1 but I'd love some unadulterated employment stats. I want to know the % that received clerkships but unemployed thereafter.

champ33 wrote:

Blindmelon wrote:

rad law wrote:

NJcollegestudent wrote:Rutgers-Newark... is located in a nice city

lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol

I used to live near Newark. That place gives Jersey a really bad name.

Yeah it is a completely shit city. I don't know what this guy is thinking. However I am probably attending, and am aware of course that graduates everywhere aren't doing as well as we'd all like. That said, I don't think Rutgers is any worse off than any other T2. And being in a large market, with a ton of alumni and respect in at least New Jersey, and no worse hiring in NYC than other NY T2's, along with the low tuition and leniency with NJ residency for out-of-state students, I don't think Rutgers-Newark is a terrible choice. Especially with a scholarship.

This - minus the attending part.

RU-N does very well for itself and outperforms its ranking by a lot in NJ. Basically its competition is SH and Rutgers costs a third of that school so it isn't a bad choice at all IF you want to work in NJ and are not biglaw or bust.

I am a recent RU grad. RU is an undervalued/underrated school who provides a strong education but suffers rankings-wise because of its admissions approach and lack of alumni contributions. I'd say the biggest knock against it is that the admin/career services do little/nothing to sell the majority of students to the local NJ legal community. If you miss out on OCI (which is the vast majority of the class), their boilerplate response is get an NJ Superior Court clerkship. And you're absolutely correct - getting the employment stats after those clerkships have ended is non-existent. So, in the end it's difficult to gauge how RU students transition over a year out of school.

And yes, their general employment stats are rigged. Some of the big firm names that they list have not legitimately recruited from RU since 2006. I found the Career Services Office's entire staff to be completely incompetent and unhelpful in trying to obtain employment which I acquired on my own. Recent alumni have stated that they will not give back to RU specifically because the CSO is primarily focused on helping the top 10 students per class find employment and everyone else is on their own. As far as the educational quality is concerned, it's terrific.

zoomzoom88 wrote:

champ33 wrote:

Blindmelon wrote:

rad law wrote:
lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol

I used to live near Newark. That place gives Jersey a really bad name.

Yeah it is a completely shit city. I don't know what this guy is thinking. However I am probably attending, and am aware of course that graduates everywhere aren't doing as well as we'd all like. That said, I don't think Rutgers is any worse off than any other T2. And being in a large market, with a ton of alumni and respect in at least New Jersey, and no worse hiring in NYC than other NY T2's, along with the low tuition and leniency with NJ residency for out-of-state students, I don't think Rutgers-Newark is a terrible choice. Especially with a scholarship.

+1 but I'd love some unadulterated employment stats. I want to know the % that received clerkships but unemployed thereafter.

EPIC NECRO 10/10

Gotta really ROTFL at those famous NJ "clerkships" touted by toilets like R-N and Seton Hall.

As a NJ lawyer, I can tell you that those so-called "clerkships" are basically dead-end. A clerk in Bergen County Superior has been asking (begging) me for a job since March (I speak with him on the phone a lot as the judge he clerks for is handling a rather complex, multi-party case that we have right now).

I actually took this dood out for a beer recently after court on a Friday, and he said almost all his fellow clerks are still unemployed (and those clerkships end this month on Aug 30). He already regrets lawschool and is doing the mass-mail thing since the judge won't help him (fyi most NJ Super. Ct. judges are lazy, nasty people - the job is a political reward and not based on any factor other than kissing the right asses and being a shyster).

Even at in state, R-N is a complete waste for most of its students. The tiny handful who do get NYC Biglaw are mostly minorities/affirmative action hires, so if you're a URM and kill it at R-N you have probably a 5-10% shot at Biglaw.

The rest will at best wash out into typical rinky-dink NJ shitlaw offices and earn 30-40 K a year starting, if they can even find a shitlaw office to hire them. This school and market is downright gruesome.

Why don't you give the poor kid a job?

Why don't you give the poor kid a job?

I use an LPO in the Phillipines to churn my shitpaper:

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The attorney I share office suite space with turned me on to this place. He uses them to churn his collections complaints and even has them drafting SJ motions and such. His firm used to have 3 recent grads as associates, but now he gets by with one para and has this LPO churn all the other papers & pleadings. He also uses another one in Bangalore to churn Ch 7 BK pleadings on a volume basis.

A big problem is that Lexis/Westlaw turn off your student accounts for the summer now, so the only thing of value a student could bring (i.e their Westlaw password) is now gone lol. We had to shitcan the kid we had planned to hire for the summer once we found out he didn't have summer access. It really sucks. That's why now a lot of shitlaw offices just use the LPO's- they don't charge extra for Lexis access and always seem to find the cases etc I need, and do it quickly and cheaply. No reason to pay some TTT associate like $15 to $20 an hour when you can outsource for way cheaper and not have to be bothered with all the questions and nagging, etc.

A landlord-tenant mill that I went up against last year is a big fan of the outsourcing- that guy told me he gets 200 complaints churned a month for like $250 flat fee. They even email them right to his process server and do a lot of the follow-up etc. The whole scene sucks for you guys though, since you can't really compete with their prices and experience/ease of use.

Trouble with young lawyers/clerks is that they ask too many questions and look too deeply into everything. Law is for the most part a cookie-cutter, cut n' paste operation that requires lots of "drone" work and very little thinking/original thought/analysis. Sorry if this disappoints you, but its the truth.

sadsituationJD wrote:

Why don't you give the poor kid a job?

I use an LPO in the Phillipines to churn my shitpaper:

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The attorney I share office suite space with turned me on to this place. He uses them to churn his collections complaints and even has them drafting SJ motions and such. His firm used to have 3 recent grads as associates, but now he gets by with one para and has this LPO churn all the other papers & pleadings. He also uses another one in Bangalore to churn Ch 7 BK pleadings on a volume basis.

A big problem is that Lexis/Westlaw turn off your student accounts for the summer now, so the only thing of value a student could bring (i.e their Westlaw password) is now gone lol. We had to shitcan the kid we had planned to hire for the summer once we found out he didn't have summer access. It really sucks. That's why now a lot of shitlaw offices just use the LPO's- they don't charge extra for Lexis access and always seem to find the cases etc I need, and do it quickly and cheaply. No reason to pay some TTT associate like $15 to $20 an hour when you can outsource for way cheaper and not have to be bothered with all the questions and nagging, etc.

A landlord-tenant mill that I went up against last year is a big fan of the outsourcing- that guy told me he gets 200 complaints churned a month for like $250 flat fee. They even email them right to his process server and do a lot of the follow-up etc. The whole scene sucks for you guys though, since you can't really compete with their prices and experience/ease of use.

Trouble with young lawyers/clerks is that they ask too many questions and look too deeply into everything. Law is for the most part a cookie-cutter, cut n' paste operation that requires lots of "drone" work and very little thinking/original thought/analysis. Sorry if this disappoints you, but its the truth.

I used to like you but now you are just a boomer shithead. Also lol at that website, it reads like a scam.

sadsituationJD wrote:

A landlord-tenant mill that I went up against last year is a big fan of the outsourcing- that guy told me he gets 200 complaints churned a month for like $250 flat fee. They even email them right to his process server and do a lot of the follow-up etc. The whole scene sucks for you guys though, since you can't really compete with their prices and experience/ease of use.

Trouble with young lawyers/clerks is that they ask too many questions and look too deeply into everything. Law is for the most part a cookie-cutter, cut n' paste operation that requires lots of "drone" work and very little thinking/original thought/analysis. Sorry if this disappoints you, but its the truth.

Probably going to suck for you as well pretty soon as the clients will eventually find these places and skip the over priced douchebag middlemen like yourself.

JCFindley wrote:Probably going to suck for you as well pretty soon as the clients will eventually find these places and skip the over priced douchebag middlemen like yourself.

Isn't the middleman required, lest there be unauthorized practice? This strikes me as a bit different than the service Legal Zoom offers.