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No.rickynwhyc wrote:Hey guys, besides the obvious, HYS, CCN, and the rest of the top schools, what schools generally penetrate the NY Legal market the most often? The obvious choice is Fordham because of location, but are there schools (BESIDES the T14) that have a stronger connection to the NYC Legal market?
I'm well aware of this. In one of those 3 posts I actually used "magic fairytale school" to describe what I'm looking for..sissyclark wrote:I like your enthusiasm in making 3 threads for the same question. But I don't think you're going to find a "magic answer" where someone will throw you the name of some obscure school that is outside the top 10 schools or so that have a good chance at NY biglaw.
Fact is that your best shot is one of the schools inside the top 25 (aside from maybe a couple midwest schools), and even if you do attend one of these schools, you've gotta do really well to even have a shot at NYC at biglaw. It will have to do with how well you interview, how well you bid, and maybe a little bit of luck as well. There are a lot of variables.
The top schools are top for a reason. It's not like you're going to find one magic school that's not a top school that places well in biglaw in NY.
Well I don't have a cent to my name, so I'm assuming maximum financial aid which is at least something.Lawlcat wrote:3.3 GPA isn't completely incompatible with T14, I don't think. Take a good LSAT course and work hard on your applications. Add some good WE if you can. I think you'd have a decent shot.
Otherwise, you really should not go to law school except on a large or full scholarship without too many strings attached (hard to do). No, really. People in the T14 are mostly (?) okay, but it's a far cry from "if you want NY BigLaw, it's yours". I understand that in the rest of the T25, it's significantly worse.
Also: are you sure you want BigLaw? In New York, a good chunk of the massive paycheck vanishes. NY BigLaw is (as I understand it) especially known for oppressive hours and a generally miserable existence. (It seems like most of the BigLaw stereotypes were born in New York and remain especially applicable there.) Add in 150K or whatever of debt, and ... it's not even a great path to big money, necessarily.
Your best chance of fighting your way into NYC biglaw is to fight your way into a 176 LSAT score.rickynwhyc wrote:Well I don't have a cent to my name, so I'm assuming maximum financial aid which is at least something.Lawlcat wrote:3.3 GPA isn't completely incompatible with T14, I don't think. Take a good LSAT course and work hard on your applications. Add some good WE if you can. I think you'd have a decent shot.
Otherwise, you really should not go to law school except on a large or full scholarship without too many strings attached (hard to do). No, really. People in the T14 are mostly (?) okay, but it's a far cry from "if you want NY BigLaw, it's yours". I understand that in the rest of the T25, it's significantly worse.
Also: are you sure you want BigLaw? In New York, a good chunk of the massive paycheck vanishes. NY BigLaw is (as I understand it) especially known for oppressive hours and a generally miserable existence. (It seems like most of the BigLaw stereotypes were born in New York and remain especially applicable there.) Add in 150K or whatever of debt, and ... it's not even a great path to big money, necessarily.
I'm willing to fight for Biglaw, I'm aware of ITE and how the hours are crippling, but the alternatives are just as bad if you consider the salary difference. BigLaw still opens a lot of doors. I'd like to have my own private practice some day, but that's thinking too far ahead. Right now I just want the highest quality legal education possible, somewhere where I have a fighting chance at NYC employment..
This or score 170+ and ED to UVA or score 170+ get some WE and ED to NW.Renzo wrote:Your best chance of fighting your way into NYC biglaw is to fight your way into a 176 LSAT score.rickynwhyc wrote:Well I don't have a cent to my name, so I'm assuming maximum financial aid which is at least something.Lawlcat wrote:3.3 GPA isn't completely incompatible with T14, I don't think. Take a good LSAT course and work hard on your applications. Add some good WE if you can. I think you'd have a decent shot.
Otherwise, you really should not go to law school except on a large or full scholarship without too many strings attached (hard to do). No, really. People in the T14 are mostly (?) okay, but it's a far cry from "if you want NY BigLaw, it's yours". I understand that in the rest of the T25, it's significantly worse.
Also: are you sure you want BigLaw? In New York, a good chunk of the massive paycheck vanishes. NY BigLaw is (as I understand it) especially known for oppressive hours and a generally miserable existence. (It seems like most of the BigLaw stereotypes were born in New York and remain especially applicable there.) Add in 150K or whatever of debt, and ... it's not even a great path to big money, necessarily.
I'm willing to fight for Biglaw, I'm aware of ITE and how the hours are crippling, but the alternatives are just as bad if you consider the salary difference. BigLaw still opens a lot of doors. I'd like to have my own private practice some day, but that's thinking too far ahead. Right now I just want the highest quality legal education possible, somewhere where I have a fighting chance at NYC employment..
Renzo wrote:Your best chance of fighting your way into NYC biglaw is to fight your way into a 176 LSAT score.rickynwhyc wrote:Well I don't have a cent to my name, so I'm assuming maximum financial aid which is at least something.Lawlcat wrote:3.3 GPA isn't completely incompatible with T14, I don't think. Take a good LSAT course and work hard on your applications. Add some good WE if you can. I think you'd have a decent shot.
Otherwise, you really should not go to law school except on a large or full scholarship without too many strings attached (hard to do). No, really. People in the T14 are mostly (?) okay, but it's a far cry from "if you want NY BigLaw, it's yours". I understand that in the rest of the T25, it's significantly worse.
Also: are you sure you want BigLaw? In New York, a good chunk of the massive paycheck vanishes. NY BigLaw is (as I understand it) especially known for oppressive hours and a generally miserable existence. (It seems like most of the BigLaw stereotypes were born in New York and remain especially applicable there.) Add in 150K or whatever of debt, and ... it's not even a great path to big money, necessarily.
I'm willing to fight for Biglaw, I'm aware of ITE and how the hours are crippling, but the alternatives are just as bad if you consider the salary difference. BigLaw still opens a lot of doors. I'd like to have my own private practice some day, but that's thinking too far ahead. Right now I just want the highest quality legal education possible, somewhere where I have a fighting chance at NYC employment..
Well, if you're willing to fight for biglaw, then that makes all the difference in the world.rickynwhyc wrote:Well I don't have a cent to my name, so I'm assuming maximum financial aid which is at least something.Lawlcat wrote:3.3 GPA isn't completely incompatible with T14, I don't think. Take a good LSAT course and work hard on your applications. Add some good WE if you can. I think you'd have a decent shot.
Otherwise, you really should not go to law school except on a large or full scholarship without too many strings attached (hard to do). No, really. People in the T14 are mostly (?) okay, but it's a far cry from "if you want NY BigLaw, it's yours". I understand that in the rest of the T25, it's significantly worse.
Also: are you sure you want BigLaw? In New York, a good chunk of the massive paycheck vanishes. NY BigLaw is (as I understand it) especially known for oppressive hours and a generally miserable existence. (It seems like most of the BigLaw stereotypes were born in New York and remain especially applicable there.) Add in 150K or whatever of debt, and ... it's not even a great path to big money, necessarily.
I'm willing to fight for Biglaw, I'm aware of ITE and how the hours are crippling, but the alternatives are just as bad if you consider the salary difference. BigLaw still opens a lot of doors. I'd like to have my own private practice some day, but that's thinking too far ahead. Right now I just want the highest quality legal education possible, somewhere where I have a fighting chance at NYC employment..
No. If you are, in fact, "in" at Cornell you will have a much better shot at NYC biglaw than at BU. I would not go to BU over Cornell with any less that a half scholarship. I know that BU places very well in Boston, but the margin for error is much better at Cornell. Now, if we are just talking about Fordham v. BU, you may be on to something. I can't speak to your idea of "transferring."icouldbuyu wrote:I also want to do NY Big Law down the line. However, since I'm out of the T14 except for Cornell. I was thinking about doing BU and getting Boston Big Law. I've read all over TLS that BU is doing better than Fordham possibly because BU dominates its market compared to Fordham who's on the bottom of the ladder. Maybe down the line once I've proven myself in Boston, I can try to transfer to NY. Does this sound like a better option than going to Fordham?
KMaine wrote:No. If you are, in fact, "in" at Cornell you will have a much better shot at NYC biglaw than at BU. I would not go to BU over Cornell with any less that a half scholarship. I know that BU places very well in Boston, but the margin for error is much better at Cornell. Now, if we are just talking about Fordham v. BU, you may be on to something. I can't speak to your idea of "transferring."icouldbuyu wrote:I also want to do NY Big Law down the line. However, since I'm out of the T14 except for Cornell. I was thinking about doing BU and getting Boston Big Law. I've read all over TLS that BU is doing better than Fordham possibly because BU dominates its market compared to Fordham who's on the bottom of the ladder. Maybe down the line once I've proven myself in Boston, I can try to transfer to NY. Does this sound like a better option than going to Fordham?
Unfortunately, ITE, Fordham is too big of a risk to pay sticker for. Fordham is obviously below Columbia, NYU, and Cornell. It then has to contest with MVP, Duke, and GULC. Fordham was a great option pre 2008 I think.pasteurizedmilk wrote:Fordham places better than most peer schools into NY.
A 170+ LSAT ----> lower T14 is still a safer bet.
I definitely agree. But OPs question was a school outside the T14 that has the best shot at NYC biglaw. For that, I'd have to say Fordham fits the bill.icouldbuyu wrote:Unfortunately, ITE, Fordham is too big of a risk to pay sticker for. Fordham is obviously below Columbia, NYU, and Cornell. It then has to contest with MVP, Duke, and GULC. Fordham was a great option pre 2008 I think.pasteurizedmilk wrote:Fordham places better than most peer schools into NY.
A 170+ LSAT ----> lower T14 is still a safer bet.
vanwinkle wrote:No.rickynwhyc wrote:Hey guys, besides the obvious, HYS, CCN, and the rest of the top schools, what schools generally penetrate the NY Legal market the most often? The obvious choice is Fordham because of location, but are there schools (BESIDES the T14) that have a stronger connection to the NYC Legal market?
showNprove wrote:Then go to a T14, Texas, Vandy, or Fordham.rickynwhyc wrote:Working in NYC is important to me, I've lived here all my life and I love the city.