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Notre Dame?

WUSTL?

BU?

Illinois?

Just of those, pretty sure TCR is BU. Places well in NYC as well as CA

How about George Washington?

Idk GW is pretty mobile and so is WUSTL depending on your definition of mobile -- just about anywhere in the Midwest and pretty strong on the East Coast.

AreJay711 wrote:Idk GW is pretty mobile and so is WUSTL depending on your definition of mobile -- just about anywhere in the Midwest and pretty strong on the East Coast.

BU/BC/GW/WUSTL - thats about it. BU/BC/GW are east coast, BU touches on Westcoast too, WUSTL can hit Chicago/NYC.

wustl is mobile.. the problem is that it doesnt have a good "home market" so the degree MUST be mobile. I would say Wustl's range is everything east of the rocky mountains. Anything farther west than that, they confuse your degree with University of Washington.
Wustl places well in KC, STL, Omaha. Not so much in Chicago anymore. Some placement in Texas, ATL, Boston, ny,dc.......

I would say it s like a poor mans vandy. Mediocre placement across the eastern half of the US.

unless any of these posters are incognito admissions people with hard data, their responses are either anecdotal (effectively worthless) or speculative (absolutely worthless).

Bottom line is that T30s are all regional schools. You are better off attending a slightly lower-ranked school in the market you want to practice in.

schnoodle wrote:unless any of these posters are incognito admissions people with hard data, their responses are either anecdotal (effectively worthless) or speculative (absolutely worthless).

I mean true in the case that schools might straight up lie on their career pages. There is some evidence of that -- like Duke's 100% employment -- but otherwise this is pretty good data to support it... like most schools' data in that range, not ITE of course.

http://law.wustl.edu/career_services/pages.aspx?id=459

http://www.law.gwu.edu/Careers/prospect ... stics.aspx

http://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/careers/jd/work.html

schnoodle wrote:unless any of these posters are incognito admissions people with hard data, their responses are either anecdotal (effectively worthless) or speculative (absolutely worthless).

You have to take into account that people going to BU generally want NYC/Boston, GW generally DC/NYC, etc. Therefore, people aren't going to spread out as much as those who go to a school like Chicago, because Chicago draws people who want to work in almost every market.

Anecdotaly for BU, I know people with bigfirm jobs mostly in Boston/NYC, but also in LA, OC, DC, KS (well, as big as firms are there), MD (Baltimore), PA (Philly) and so on. Its just that not a lot of people go for those jobs because most people stick to the northeast. Therefore, while it may not be as easy to get jobs outside of these schools general region, it is by no means impossible as DC, Philly, LA, etc. firms still recruit BU students.

Blindmelon wrote:

schnoodle wrote:unless any of these posters are incognito admissions people with hard data, their responses are either anecdotal (effectively worthless) or speculative (absolutely worthless).

You have to take into account that people going to BU generally want NYC/Boston, GW generally DC/NYC, etc. Therefore, people aren't going to spread out as much as those who go to a school like Chicago, because Chicago draws people who want to work in almost every market.

Anecdotaly for BU, I know people with bigfirm jobs mostly in Boston/NYC, but also in LA, OC, DC, KS (well, as big as firms are there), MD (Baltimore), PA (Philly) and so on. Its just that not a lot of people go for those jobs because most people stick to the northeast. Therefore, while it may not be as easy to get jobs outside of these schools general region, it is by no means impossible as DC, Philly, LA, etc. firms still recruit BU students.

Yeah, I'd consider BU to be a semi-national school. The vast majority of grads are clumped in the eastern corridor, but that's by choice I think. A good deal of west coast firms recruit at BU.

schnoodle wrote:unless any of these posters are incognito admissions people with hard data, their responses are either anecdotal (effectively worthless) or speculative (absolutely worthless).

This is kind of a dumb post; it basically means that unless you're an adcomm you can't know what's going on, and since 99.9% of TLS are not adcomms, it would mean pretty much nobody knows what they're talking about, which is ridiculous.

so it was an exaggeration for emphasis/effect, but i think you see the point. in my opinion (not yours or anyone else's) the type of conjecture in this thread is basically useless. if you're serious about finding out how mobile a school is, i don't think the most effective way to do it is to jump on this forum. again, my opinion.

schnoodle wrote:so it was an exaggeration for emphasis/effect, but i think you see the point. in my opinion (not yours or anyone else's) the type of conjecture in this thread is basically useless. if you're serious about finding out how mobile a school is, i don't think the most effective way to do it is to jump on this forum. again, my opinion.

It's certainly not asking adcomms. They'll tell you anything.

I'm applying to a similar set of schools. If I don't get into a lower T14, which of these would place the best in Philadelphia: BU, BC, WUSTL, Emory, GW, or W&M? I assume at least some of these would be a better option than Temple?

schnoodle wrote:so it was an exaggeration for emphasis/effect, but i think you see the point. in my opinion (not yours or anyone else's) the type of conjecture in this thread is basically useless. if you're serious about finding out how mobile a school is, i don't think the most effective way to do it is to jump on this forum. again, my opinion.

That's not really a helpful opinion. At least other people are trying to provide something useful. You're just adding "this forum is useless", which doesn't actually add anything. Also, adding "in my opinion" doesn't really change anything. "This forum is worthless" and "In my opinion (not yours or anyone else's) this forum is worthless" are both unhelpful.

Besides, where are people supposed to go? The schools themselves, which all report employment data that's significantly distorted in their favor? The rankings, which don't answer the OP's question? You don't seem to have a suggestion for what would be effective.

I suppose you could be trying to prove there are worthless opinions on here by giving one.

I am on adcomm at Minnesota Law. We are pretty mobile.

BU, GW, and WUSTL

Outside of the T14 (plus UCLA and Texas), the mobility of the degree is determined pretty much entirely by your legwork as an applicant and your ties to the area. If you go to WUSTL, you can still get a job in Seattle if you grew up there, have the grades, and submit direct applications. However, no school outside the T16 is going to be a good bet for getting you into a geographically distant market to which you don't have ties.

The McRib Is Risen wrote:Outside of the T14 (plus UCLA and Texas), the mobility of the degree is determined pretty much entirely by your legwork as an applicant and your ties to the area. If you go to WUSTL, you can still get a job in Seattle if you grew up there, have the grades, and submit direct applications. However, no school outside the T16 is going to be a good bet for getting you into a geographically distant market to which you don't have ties.

It's even more regional than that kiddo. I'd go with T6. Ties are very very important.

The McRib Is Risen wrote:Outside of the T14 (plus UCLA and Texas), the mobility of the degree is determined pretty much entirely by your legwork as an applicant and your ties to the area. If you go to WUSTL, you can still get a job in Seattle if you grew up there, have the grades, and submit direct applications. However, no school outside the T16 is going to be a good bet for getting you into a geographically distant market to which you don't have ties.

Also T16 isn't a meaningful distinction lulz

rad law wrote:

The McRib Is Risen wrote:Outside of the T14 (plus UCLA and Texas), the mobility of the degree is determined pretty much entirely by your legwork as an applicant and your ties to the area. If you go to WUSTL, you can still get a job in Seattle if you grew up there, have the grades, and submit direct applications. However, no school outside the T16 is going to be a good bet for getting you into a geographically distant market to which you don't have ties.

It's even more regional than that kiddo. I'd go with T6. Ties are very very important.

Ties are still important for T6.

How much ties matter depends a lot more on the particular city and firm than which school you're coming from.

The whole idea of school mobility is a misinformed one. What the T14 schools give you is firms from all over the country coming to OCI, and a recognized brand name that can be leveraged in most markets through non-OCI direct mailing (provided you have the requisite ties). And pretty much the entire T14, plus a few others, are "brand names" in most major cities in the U.S. - there's no sense in drawing a line at T6.

RVP11 wrote:

rad law wrote:

The McRib Is Risen wrote:Outside of the T14 (plus UCLA and Texas), the mobility of the degree is determined pretty much entirely by your legwork as an applicant and your ties to the area. If you go to WUSTL, you can still get a job in Seattle if you grew up there, have the grades, and submit direct applications. However, no school outside the T16 is going to be a good bet for getting you into a geographically distant market to which you don't have ties.

It's even more regional than that kiddo. I'd go with T6. Ties are very very important.

Ties are still important for T6.

How much ties matter depends a lot more on the particular city and firm than which school you're coming from.

This is a better way of explaining what I did a shitty job trying to explain. Outlining is taking its toll.

Blindmelon wrote:

AreJay711 wrote:Idk GW is pretty mobile and so is WUSTL depending on your definition of mobile -- just about anywhere in the Midwest and pretty strong on the East Coast.

BU/BC/GW/WUSTL - thats about it. BU/BC/GW are east coast, BU touches on Westcoast too, WUSTL can hit Chicago/NYC.

Thanks for the KS shout out dude.

kams wrote:

Blindmelon wrote:

AreJay711 wrote:Idk GW is pretty mobile and so is WUSTL depending on your definition of mobile -- just about anywhere in the Midwest and pretty strong on the East Coast.

BU/BC/GW/WUSTL - thats about it. BU/BC/GW are east coast, BU touches on Westcoast too, WUSTL can hit Chicago/NYC.

Thanks for the KS shout out dude.

Hah. Gotta do what cha gotta do.