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Discuss. I am asking for one of my brothers considering it.

Ridiculous.

How could sticker be worth it, but not for BigLaw? Fordham certainly isn't a PI powerhouse.

Could be worth it with IBR.

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plenipotentiary wrote:How could sticker be worth it, but not for BigLaw? Fordham certainly isn't a PI powerhouse.

Because I assume BigLAw jobs are few and far between for Fordham Grads, thus more risk if BigLaw is your only goal.

gbpackerbacker wrote:

plenipotentiary wrote:How could sticker be worth it, but not for BigLaw? Fordham certainly isn't a PI powerhouse.

Because I assume BigLAw jobs are few and far between for Fordham Grads, thus more risk if BigLaw is your only goal.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... hbxlogin=1

plenipotentiary wrote:How could sticker be worth it, but not for BigLaw? Fordham certainly isn't a PI powerhouse.

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kk19131 wrote:

gbpackerbacker wrote:

plenipotentiary wrote:How could sticker be worth it, but not for BigLaw? Fordham certainly isn't a PI powerhouse.

Because I assume BigLAw jobs are few and far between for Fordham Grads, thus more risk if BigLaw is your only goal.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... hbxlogin=1

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kk19131 wrote:

gbpackerbacker wrote:

plenipotentiary wrote:How could sticker be worth it, but not for BigLaw? Fordham certainly isn't a PI powerhouse.

Because I assume BigLAw jobs are few and far between for Fordham Grads, thus more risk if BigLaw is your only goal.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... hbxlogin=1

Thank you. That is very helpful.

Are the lower jobs the NLJ 250 still considered "elite" jobs. What is an example of a Lawyer's starting salary in NYC if he or she graduated from say 200 or something?

Also, how current is the information?

Columbia Law wrote:

kk19131 wrote:

gbpackerbacker wrote:

plenipotentiary wrote:How could sticker be worth it, but not for BigLaw? Fordham certainly isn't a PI powerhouse.

Because I assume BigLAw jobs are few and far between for Fordham Grads, thus more risk if BigLaw is your only goal.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... hbxlogin=1

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ITE?

gbpackerbacker wrote:

Columbia Law wrote:
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ITE?

ITE = in this economy, where Fordham is doing worse than even the information in that link.

ITE = in this economy, where Fordham is doing worse than even the information in that link.

So when is that info from? 2007? Before?

gbpackerbacker wrote:

ITE = in this economy, where Fordham is doing worse than even the information in that link.

So when is that info from? 2007? Before?

Actually, I don't know. In 2007 they were like 40%. Someone said it was like 15% this year.

gbpackerbacker wrote:

ITE = in this economy, where Fordham is doing worse than even the information in that link.

So when is that info from? 2007? Before?

The data is from the graduating class of 2009, which entered law school in 2006 and did OCI in 2007. "ITE" started in 2008.

im_blue wrote:

gbpackerbacker wrote:

ITE = in this economy, where Fordham is doing worse than even the information in that link.

So when is that info from? 2007? Before?

The data is from the graduating class of 2009, which entered law school in 2006 and did OCI in 2007. "ITE" started in 2008.

SO how do you think that class compares to the pretty faces of the class of 2014?

gbpackerbacker wrote:

im_blue wrote:

gbpackerbacker wrote:

ITE = in this economy, where Fordham is doing worse than even the information in that link.

So when is that info from? 2007? Before?

The data is from the graduating class of 2009, which entered law school in 2006 and did OCI in 2007. "ITE" started in 2008.

SO how do you think that class compares to the pretty faces of the class of 2014?

Honestly, top 5% safe for biglaw. 10% for a good chance.

Honestly, top 5% safe for biglaw. 10% for a good chance.

What would you say those numbers are for Columbia or NYU?

gbpackerbacker wrote:

Honestly, top 5% safe for biglaw. 10% for a good chance.

What would you say those numbers are for Columbia or NYU?

I would like to know this too.

calvmpv wrote:

gbpackerbacker wrote:

Honestly, top 5% safe for biglaw. 10% for a good chance.

What would you say those numbers are for Columbia or NYU?

I would like to know this too.

I caught a bad year and struck out. But this year? I mean I don't have exact numbers but if you wanted it, didn't look like an idiot at the interview, and didn't finish at the absolute bottom, you most likely got it. I'd be willing to bet 60% or better.

Columbia Law wrote:

calvmpv wrote:

gbpackerbacker wrote:

Honestly, top 5% safe for biglaw. 10% for a good chance.

What would you say those numbers are for Columbia or NYU?

I would like to know this too.

I caught a bad year and struck out.

That explains all of your comments on TLS.

That explains all of your comments on TLS.

Got a midlaw job through family connections. Actually get to do real work. Mad about debt, not job though.

Assuming Columbia/NYU don't fall prey to the market conditions, the consensus here is that for BigLaw in the class of 2014, you need to be in the top 5% at Fordham, and at NYU/Columbia, unless you're drunk at every final exam, you're almost guaranteed?

Does this take into account the chances that Fordham gives you to gain real life legal experience as opposed to the other schools? Does BigLaw only care about grades?

rickynwhyc wrote:Assuming Columbia/NYU don't fall prey to the market conditions, the consensus here is that for BigLaw in the class of 2014, you need to be in the top 5% at Fordham, and at NYU/Columbia, unless you're drunk at every final exam, you're almost guaranteed?

Does this take into account the chances that Fordham gives you to gain real life legal experience as opposed to the other schools? Does BigLaw only care about grades?

not a chance to the NYU/Columbia suggestion...did you read columbia law's post

Columbia Law wrote:

calvmpv wrote:

gbpackerbacker wrote:

Honestly, top 5% safe for biglaw. 10% for a good chance.

What would you say those numbers are for Columbia or NYU?

I would like to know this too.

I caught a bad year and struck out. But this year? I mean I don't have exact numbers but if you wanted it, didn't look like an idiot at the interview, and didn't finish at the absolute bottom, you most likely got it. I'd be willing to bet 60% or better.

Yes that's what I was going on. It seems I misinterpreted the last sentence. He meant 60% if you fulfilled all those obligations? Ok. Well, that still beats the hell out of Fordham's odds ;/

well the disparity b/w placement at NYU/Columbia v. Fordham is not any secret/not anything that people will argue over....it is big, and the long history of the differences in ranking b/w the schools clearly explains that...but i do think you need to keep a few things in mind with this...

1.) Columbia Law is a clear fordham-hater. i think its fair to say he's never said a positive thing about the school
2.) His, along with everyone else's guesses are just that...they are guesses (I dont say this to make you think that 40% at fordham will ever again get big law, but i think you get my point)
3.) Someone said it in another thread yesterday, but I think there is a huge misunderstanding about % of placement grads at big law firms. If the figure is 40%, that means that 40% of grads have big law jobs, not that top 40% have big law jobs. i know several people at fordham who are top 1/3 roughly who have jobs, and i know plenty of people who are top 10% that dont have jobs. i think this goes to the crux of the point of this post in the first place. is fordham worth sticker? for someone straight out of undergrad, with no savings, no work experience, and no real understanding of what $100k+ debt is? probably not. but for someone who has reasonable expectations, possibly some family financial help, and has the understanding of what debt is, then i think i'm comfortable saying that it is worth it. you need to understand that fordham gives out very little aid, so one way or another, you're likely going to be paying close to sticker in any event.