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Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:40 pm**

There was a military presence in the student body at CLS. Other students respected us. So did the professors. Never got any flack for it. Quite the opposite, actually. There were maybe 20-30 of us or something.

I did NROTC at UC Berkeley and used to walk around in my Middie uniform every Thursday... never had any trouble there, either.... although hippies did burn down the NROTC unit back in '81.

Frankly, I don't think any of those schools will be particularly anti-military. Everyone seems to value former military people. They may dislike don't ask don't tell or may disagree with the AUMF or something, but they won't take that out on you.

EDIT: thanks for the very respectfully... sort of miss proper Navy memo format.

Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:46 pm**

UVa might be a good fit... long tradition of being tied to JAGs the JAG training center is located on the north grounds of UVA.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:07 am**

Yale has a veterans' club, and the club sponsors a couple events each year. This year will also be the first year that a "veterans legal services" clinic is going to be offered, to help veterans in CT get the social services they deserve (it's new, so I'm not totally sure what ground it will cover). That clinic, too, was founded by current law students who have active military experience. Student veterans have also spoken at the University's various Veterans Day services, etc. A number of the JAGs recruit on campus, but there is generally a "protest" of sorts at the beginning of each OCI week, wherein members of the OutLaws group encourage people to gather (and, sometimes, wear buttons during their interviews) protesting DADT. It's a largely quiet, symbolic gesture - I don't think there is ANY way one could say that the law school administration or the student body is hostile in any way toward people who've served. The protest is clearly directed at policy, not people.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:06 pm**

What about UT? Austin is a pretty liberal city as a whole and thats where I would like to go but I am prior military (Marine) and may be back in at that time and doing the JAG program and was wondering what their general reaction was to military.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:21 pm**

flynavyjets wrote:Hi everyone,

I'm applying to transition from being a Navy ~~pilot~~ aviator to a Navy Judge Advocate. The program that I am applying through gets to choose which law school I attend out of the ones I am accepted to because the Navy will be paying the bill.

My GPA and LSAT look good enough for me to apply to some very good schools including the T14. Before I get in over my head, I was wondering if any current students from any of these schools (especially UC Berkeley, Harvard, Yale, Chicago, Columbia, and NYU) have ever seen the protesting or poor treatment of military personnel. There were times when I was an undergrad in DC wearing the uniform that I got spat on on my way to an internship or the Metro. I'd really like for that not to happen again when I return to typically-liberal academia (little did these people know that I, too, am liberal).

I appreciate any input current students or alumni might have, and I thank you in advance for your responses.

Very respectfully,
FlyNavyJets

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Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:06 pm**

I call bullshit. No one on the Metro spit on you. I wore my uniform on the Metro everyday for 2 years and never had a negative experience. If someone spit on you, it wasn't the uniform's fault.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:10 pm**

Cole S. Law wrote:I call bullshit. No one on the Metro spit on you. I wore my uniform on the Metro everyday for 2 years and never had a negative experience. If someone spit on you, it wasn't the uniform's fault.

dude. really? you are calling her a liar just because it never happened to you? you work for DC public relations or something?

There are crazy people out there.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:23 pm**

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:09 pm**

You should be fine at any law school, most people, even libruls, support troops, not all support wars.

But if you want a more conservative or pro military school, try UVA.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:31 pm**

Voyager wrote:
Cole S. Law wrote:I call bullshit. No one on the Metro spit on you. I wore my uniform on the Metro everyday for 2 years and never had a negative experience. If someone spit on you, it wasn't the uniform's fault.
dude. really? you are calling her a liar just because it never happened to you? you work for DC public relations or something?

There are crazy people out there.

while OP's anecdote may have happened, i think a more relevant point is that it's a silly reason to worry about "hostile academic environments." furthermore, (this reminds of an LR problem) the idea that a school is "military friendly" does nothing to ensure a similar incident won't happen on any subway in any city in america.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:45 pm**

Fly Navy Jets,

I agree with Cole S. Law. You are a liar.

Please enlighten us where you were spat upon in the Metro. Specifics please.

Like Cole, I have extensive experience wearing a uniform, that of a United States Army officer, in both the NYC Subway and the DC Metro.

I do not believe you. Not for a second. I was on officer recruiting duty for health professionals in NYC and received nothing but courtesy at NYU, Columbia and other schools in the NYC area.

This "martyr" mentality is all in your head. You need to get out more. Turn off Rush Limbaugh, go out, and meet your fellow citizens for who they are - warts and all.

3 years at NYU or Columbia will do you a world of good. It may alleviate your paranoia.

I am always amazed at how military folks who willingly do dangerous things (e.g. flying fighter aircraft) are terrified of their fellow citizens.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:55 pm**

Voodoo94 wrote:Fly Navy Jets,

I agree with Cole S. Law. You are a liar.

Please enlighten us where you were spat upon in the Metro. Specifics please.

Like Cole, I have extensive experience wearing a uniform, that of a United States Army officer, in both the NYC Subway and the DC Metro.

I do not believe you. Not for a second. I was on officer recruiting duty for health professionals in NYC and received nothing but courtesy at NYU, Columbia and other schools in the NYC area.

This "martyr" mentality is all in your head. You need to get out more. Turn off Rush Limbaugh, go out, and meet your fellow citizens for who they are - warts and all.

3 years at NYU or Columbia will do you a world of good. It may alleviate your paranoia.

I am always amazed at how military folks who willingly do dangerous things (e.g. flying fighter aircraft) are terrified of their fellow citizens.

To be fair, given the chance, I spit on all people wearing uniforms. Especially boyscouts...

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:03 pm**

Voodoo94 wrote:Fly Navy Jets,

I agree with Cole S. Law. You are a liar.

Please enlighten us where you were spat upon in the Metro. Specifics please.

Like Cole, I have extensive experience wearing a uniform, that of a United States Army officer, in both the NYC Subway and the DC Metro.

I do not believe you. Not for a second. I was on officer recruiting duty for health professionals in NYC and received nothing but courtesy at NYU, Columbia and other schools in the NYC area.

This "martyr" mentality is all in your head. You need to get out more. Turn off Rush Limbaugh, go out, and meet your fellow citizens for who they are - warts and all.

3 years at NYU or Columbia will do you a world of good. It may alleviate your paranoia.

I am always amazed at how military folks who willingly do dangerous things (e.g. flying fighter aircraft) are terrified of their fellow citizens.

I like your perspective, but here I think you might underestimate the power of a random idiot in an open society.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:14 pm**

Last time i was in DC, every train i rode had someone in a uniform or fatigues on it. They didn't seem to be covered in spit.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:28 pm**

I'm pretty sure if someone spit on a service member on a metro they would get their assess beat by either a) the service member or b) someone else on the metro.

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Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:47 pm**

Sir it seems to me that if you have the courage to fly jets in wartime, then you have the courage to brush off a few disrespectful people who disagree with your politics. Go to the best law school into which you get and let the haters hate.

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:47 pm**

flynavyjets wrote:
mikeh915 wrote:
Voodoo94 wrote:Fly Navy Jets,

I agree with Cole S. Law. You are a liar.

Please enlighten us where you were spat upon in the Metro. Specifics please.

Like Cole, I have extensive experience wearing a uniform, that of a United States Army officer, in both the NYC Subway and the DC Metro.

I do not believe you. Not for a second. I was on officer recruiting duty for health professionals in NYC and received nothing but courtesy at NYU, Columbia and other schools in the NYC area.

This "martyr" mentality is all in your head. You need to get out more. Turn off Rush Limbaugh, go out, and meet your fellow citizens for who they are - warts and all.

3 years at NYU or Columbia will do you a world of good. It may alleviate your paranoia.

I am always amazed at how military folks who willingly do dangerous things (e.g. flying fighter aircraft) are terrified of their fellow citizens.
To be fair, given the chance, I spit on all people wearing uniforms. Especially boyscouts...
Haha, happy to. I was going to Union Station in my Khakis. Walking up the escalator toward the trains, and some crazy lady spat on my shoes and called me a Nazi. I did not lose my bearing. I just grit my teeth and kept on walking.

If this did happen as you describe, and I still don't believe it, it sounds like a "great" reason to carry an ongoing grudge against vast swaths of the American public

Again, if such a thing happened even once it would be all over Fox News. Just like in 2003/2004 when a few kids at a community college in Seattle gave (minor) grief to some Army recruiters. You would have thought it was Kent State in reverse - and no one was even spit on, let alone shot.

Posted: **Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:47 am**

Posted: **Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:50 am**

PantsFartington wrote:Sir it seems to me that if you have the courage to fly jets in wartime, then you have the courage to brush off a few disrespectful people who disagree with your politics. Go to the best law school into which you get and let the haters hate.

Who are you calling sir?

Posted: **Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:00 am**

Lol how no one believes that he was spat on.. Does that really seem so far-fetched that your willing to call OP a liar because he's saying it happened to him? That seems pretty ridiculous (and somewhat shameful) to me to accuse somebody like that. People love to call 'flame' on here.. sometimes I'm sure it's true, but I think it's funny how people are so sure of it when there's really no evidence for it.

EDIT: On the other hand, the use of the word "times" to refer to incidence(s) of being spit on makes me think that this may reflect exaggeration (and partially account for the reaction)- later in the thread OP refers to only one specific occasion which seems more likely than the idea that this happened repeatedly in D.C.

Posted: **Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:48 am**

No school is going to bash you for being a soldier. No student body in law school is going to bash you for being a soldier. They will all respect you for it. I don't think you have anything to worry about. This should not effect your LS decision in the slightest.

Posted: **Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:11 pm**

legalease9 wrote:No school is going to bash you for being a soldier. No student body in law school is going to bash you for being a soldier. They will all respect you for it. I don't think you have anything to worry about. This should not effect your LS decision in the slightest.

+1.

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