Any good T3 or T4 schools?

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Re: Any good T3 or T4 schools?

Post by Grizz » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:24 pm

Informative wrote:Northeastern, Suffolk, University of St. Thomas (Minnesota), and FIU are all pretty good.
FIU is nowhere near good. The only plus for FIU is cheap tuition. It places in a region dominated by UF and Miami (plus whatever T13-ish grads want jobs there). The marker is glutted with those schools, plus Nova. Cost of living in the area is high. Big law is pretty much out. According to a couple FIU posters on TLS, the top of the class can compete for small firm jobs paying $60,000-ish or government. 1 or 2 FIU TLS posters are trying their damndest to transfer out. At least if you graduate marginally employed you will have less debt than.

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Re: Any good T3 or T4 schools?

Post by jayn3 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:27 pm

Informative wrote:Northeastern, Suffolk, University of St. Thomas (Minnesota), and FIU are all pretty good.
lul wut

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Re: Any good T3 or T4 schools?

Post by Grizz » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:30 pm

jayn3 wrote:
Informative wrote:Northeastern, Suffolk, University of St. Thomas (Minnesota), and FIU are all pretty good.
lul wut
Informative has been making terrible posts for the last hour or so.

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Post by Geesh106 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:33 pm

Duquesne University enjoys a very good regional reputation, and minimal competition. You'll more or less be limited to Pittsburgh/Western PA, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

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Post by 03121202698008 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:41 pm

beach_terror wrote:
blowhard wrote:
For instance, Temple in Philly places decently in that city (though not in central PA where Penn State places better or MD where Maryland places, etc.
Temple is also a T2, and places roughly 15% into BigLaw.
Caught that did you? :D I couldn't think of any T3/4's I knew enough about...

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Post by WayneRooney » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:10 pm

hi, im the OP. i am just trying to be realistic based on the gpa/lsat i have now. my gpa took a hit due to personal reasons, but its pointless to talk about, so I was thinking about a law school i have a very good reaslistic chance of getting into. I just need "I am not ashamed of my daddy or bring friends to my house" money, and not "BIGLAW" money.

I have a 2.88/158 now. I had 160s in practice, so i think i underperformed and am hopeful that i can get 165 or more by october or 160 worst case. if i do get that 160 worse case, due to my gpa, i might have to look into t3 or t4.

my goal is something like st. louis university which seems to feed well into decent firms in sant louis where i live. i guess i need a 165 with my gpa to get in there?

if i dont increase to 165 or more i was looking for some T3 or T4 schools that still do relatively well in their region. like an earlier poster was saying about the T3 in houston doing well from feeding firms locally.

thanks for all the feedback

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Re: Any good T3 or T4 schools?

Post by vespertiliovir » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:19 pm

The issue that you run into with t3/t4 schools is debt. FWIW, I would never advise someone to attend a private school in these tiers at full price -- though you could end up making a respectable salary, recouping costs could take decades. If you're getting in-state tuition or a nice scholarship, that's a better situation to be in and there's certainly a case to be made.

Just food for thought, I guess. Good luck OP.

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Re: Any good T3 or T4 schools?

Post by Danteshek » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:29 pm

I've had a good experience at Southwestern

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Post by samham22 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:40 pm

Drake seems to have a really good reputation in Iowa...although I'm sure that's it. I know it does very well In DES moines (state capital)

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Re: Any good T3 or T4 schools?

Post by twert » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:45 pm

places like maine, montana, idaho, hawaii etc are solid options if you are from any of those places. they are their states only schools

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Post by thecilent » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:46 pm

Danteshek wrote:I've had a good experience at Southwestern
Southwestern is pretty much like right in the gaslamp isn't it? That's awesome

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Post by beach_terror » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:15 pm

blowhard wrote:
beach_terror wrote:
blowhard wrote:
For instance, Temple in Philly places decently in that city (though not in central PA where Penn State places better or MD where Maryland places, etc.
Temple is also a T2, and places roughly 15% into BigLaw.
Caught that did you? :D I couldn't think of any T3/4's I knew enough about...
Haha yes sir. I'm from Philadephia, want to practice here, and am attending a T2 Philly school... there's a noticeable difference between T3/T4 and Villanova or Temple, at least imo. Just had to defend my home turf 8)

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Post by Merr » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:57 pm

twert wrote:places like maine, montana, idaho, hawaii etc are solid options if you are from any of those places. they are their states only schools
On top of that they are in tertiary legal markets that are not known for drawing grads of other, high ranked schools.

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Re: Any good T3 or T4 schools?

Post by Danteshek » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:28 pm

Cilent21 wrote:
Danteshek wrote:I've had a good experience at Southwestern
Southwestern is pretty much like right in the gaslamp isn't it? That's awesome
Southwestern is in Los Angeles, in Koreatown.

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Oxymoron?

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Post by twert » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:50 am

Cilent21 wrote:
Danteshek wrote:I've had a good experience at Southwestern
Southwestern is pretty much like right in the gaslamp isn't it? That's awesome
you might be thinking of cal western, and its several blocks from the gaslamp

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Post by dougroberts » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:55 am

Informative wrote:Northeastern, Suffolk, University of St. Thomas (Minnesota), and FIU are all pretty good.
Not sure about Univ. of St. Thomas (MN). The school may become a great school, but it is too young (became accredited a few years ago) and does not place well in hiring, especially because there are no St. Thomas alums that are partners yet.

I've heard good things about Northeastern.

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Post by dougroberts » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:56 am

vespertiliovir wrote:cooley was ranked the number 12 law school in the nation in 2008: --LinkRemoved--
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Post by thecilent » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:21 am

twert wrote:
Cilent21 wrote:
Danteshek wrote:I've had a good experience at Southwestern
Southwestern is pretty much like right in the gaslamp isn't it? That's awesome
you might be thinking of cal western, and its several blocks from the gaslamp
Oh yeah lol Woops I was thinking of cal western. Still pretty awesome being only several blocks from the gaslamp..

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Post by Unshake » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:51 pm

dougroberts wrote:
Informative wrote:Northeastern, Suffolk, University of St. Thomas (Minnesota), and FIU are all pretty good.
Not sure about Univ. of St. Thomas (MN). The school may become a great school, but it is too young (became accredited a few years ago) and does not place well in hiring, especially because there are no St. Thomas alums that are partners yet.

I've heard good things about Northeastern.

Maybe he confused St. Thomas with William Mitchell (Both MN schools located near each other). William Mitchell seems to do OK.

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Re: Any good T3 or T4 schools?

Post by dougroberts » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:44 pm

The only good T3 or T4 law school is one that gives the student a full tuition scholarship AND is in the market the student plans to work immediately after law school.

However, like any rule there are exceptions, including but not limited to Cooley, which regardless of the scholarship is questionable.

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Re: Any good T3 or T4 schools?

Post by jayn3 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:10 am

Yea WM does okay in the twin cities area....I was under the impression it's a low T2 tho. St Thomas, tho......they are very very Catholic. Urban legend is that they'll reject applicants who state that they're gay in their PS.

(but I might have heard that on TLS...)

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Post by dougroberts » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:27 am

jayn3 wrote:Yea WM does okay in the twin cities area....I was under the impression it's a low T2 tho. St Thomas, tho......they are very very Catholic. Urban legend is that they'll reject applicants who state that they're gay in their PS.

(but I might have heard that on TLS...)
WM is 98 ranked or so (T2).

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Post by 20160810 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:01 am

A lot of these schools are OK for people who want to keep costs low and get into public sector law (in-state at places like Arkansas, Maine, Texas Tech). Paying full private-school tuition for a T3/4 is pretty much never advisable.

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Post by twert » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:51 pm

SoftBoiledLife wrote:A lot of these schools are OK for people who want to keep costs low and get into public sector law (in-state at places like Arkansas, Maine, Texas Tech). Paying full private-school tuition for a T3/4 is pretty much never advisable.
paying full private school tuition outside of t14 is never advisable

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