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QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:37 pm
by mdgold
I just got into Fordham off the WL for Full time and need to deposit within 1 week.
They offered me $15k a year, guaranteed renewable, but I was getting $37k a year from Cardozo, but top 40% stipulation.
In total, I would be $22/yr in debt extra going to fordham so 66000 more debt.
Im not sure what I want to do, but I am interested in Big law.
HELP! PLEASE!
ALSO Reasons are greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:44 pm
by JayTal
'Dozo is pretty notorious for section staking I believe.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:46 pm
by tesoro
I'd go with F. Guaranteed scholarship alleviates stress. Do you want to go to your exams knowing that if you don't beat 2 out of every 3 people in the room (roughly), you'll suddenly owe an extra $76,000 in tuition? That sounds really shitty to me.
I turned down a full scholly + housing stipend at BLS for this reason for sticker at F.
Not to mention Fordham BigLaw placement >>> Dozo BigLaw placement.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:55 pm
by badpixie
If you are set on big law, I think Fordham is your better choice. But keep in mind that it's not a guarantee, so be sure you are comfortable with the additional debt.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:56 pm
by Grizz
Fordham with guaranteed scholarship and better prospects.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:49 pm
by Johannes de Silentio
Fordham, almost without question in this situation. Awesome that you got a nice scholarship like that this late in the game. What are your numbers?
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:53 pm
by General Tso
Fordham with 15k scholarship
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:59 pm
by Lawl Shcool
tesoro wrote:I'd go with F. Guaranteed scholarship alleviates stress. Do you want to go to your exams knowing that if you don't beat 2 out of every 3 people in the room (roughly), you'll suddenly owe an extra $76,000 in tuition? That sounds really shitty to me.
I turned down a full scholly + housing stipend at BLS for this reason for sticker at F.
Not to mention Fordham BigLaw placement >>> Dozo BigLaw placement.
If you don't think your going to beat at least 2 out every 3 people, you are not competitive enough for law school.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:05 pm
by tesoro
JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:I'd go with F. Guaranteed scholarship alleviates stress. Do you want to go to your exams knowing that if you don't beat 2 out of every 3 people in the room (roughly), you'll suddenly owe an extra $76,000 in tuition? That sounds really shitty to me.
I turned down a full scholly + housing stipend at BLS for this reason for sticker at F.
Not to mention Fordham BigLaw placement >>> Dozo BigLaw placement.
If you don't think your going to beat at least 2 out every 3 people, you are not competitive enough for law school.
If you assume you are going to beat at least 2 out of every 3 people, you are blindly arrogant and are likely to be in for a reality check.
You must be a special snowflake, though, who is leaps and bounds above the next hard-working, high-achieving individual next to you and could not possibly score beneath him or her.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:12 pm
by Lawl Shcool
tesoro wrote:JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:I'd go with F. Guaranteed scholarship alleviates stress. Do you want to go to your exams knowing that if you don't beat 2 out of every 3 people in the room (roughly), you'll suddenly owe an extra $76,000 in tuition? That sounds really shitty to me.
I turned down a full scholly + housing stipend at BLS for this reason for sticker at F.
Not to mention Fordham BigLaw placement >>> Dozo BigLaw placement.
If you don't think your going to beat at least 2 out every 3 people, you are not competitive enough for law school.
If you assume you are going to beat at least 2 out of every 3 people, you are blindly arrogant and are likely to be in for a reality check.
You must be a special snowflake, though, who is leaps and bounds above the next hard-working, high-achieving individual next to you and could not possibly score beneath him or her.
Already beat out more than 2/3 and I am not that special.
edit: to clarify i was speaking as to having the confidence to beat out 2/3 not assuming you will. I don't understand the anti-scholly stipulations notion on TLS.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:28 pm
by tesoro
JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:I'd go with F. Guaranteed scholarship alleviates stress. Do you want to go to your exams knowing that if you don't beat 2 out of every 3 people in the room (roughly), you'll suddenly owe an extra $76,000 in tuition? That sounds really shitty to me.
I turned down a full scholly + housing stipend at BLS for this reason for sticker at F.
Not to mention Fordham BigLaw placement >>> Dozo BigLaw placement.
If you don't think your going to beat at least 2 out every 3 people, you are not competitive enough for law school.
If you assume you are going to beat at least 2 out of every 3 people, you are blindly arrogant and are likely to be in for a reality check.
You must be a special snowflake, though, who is leaps and bounds above the next hard-working, high-achieving individual next to you and could not possibly score beneath him or her.
Already beat out more than 2/3 and I am not that special.
edit: to clarify i was speaking as to having the confidence to beat out 2/3 not assuming you will. I don't understand the anti-scholly stipulations notion on TLS.
Congratulations. That still doesn't warrant your dickish remark about my being unfit for law school. My reasons to forego a conditional scholarship are personal and complicated, but not based on rocket science. If you're smart enough to make top third in school, take the time to read a few threads related to conditional scholarships. Then you might, at least in part, understand some of the anti-scholly notions on TLS. HTH
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:09 pm
by Lawl Shcool
tesoro wrote:
Congratulations. That still doesn't warrant your dickish remark about my being unfit for law school. My reasons to forego a conditional scholarship are personal and complicated, but not based on rocket science. If you're smart enough to make top third in school, take the time to read a few threads related to conditional scholarships. Then you might, at least in part, understand some of the anti-scholly notions on TLS. HTH
I assume your talking about section-stacking? Because if you could point me to a single proven instance of that it would be helpful.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:15 pm
by bk1
JPU wrote:If you don't think your going to beat at least 2 out every 3 people, you are not competitive enough for law school.
I didn't realize that being realistic made people uncompetitive in law school.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:47 pm
by deadpanic
Fordham in a landslide.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:50 pm
by tesoro
JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:
Congratulations. That still doesn't warrant your dickish remark about my being unfit for law school. My reasons to forego a conditional scholarship are personal and complicated, but not based on rocket science. If you're smart enough to make top third in school, take the time to read a few threads related to conditional scholarships. Then you might, at least in part, understand some of the anti-scholly notions on TLS. HTH
I assume your talking about section-stacking? Because if you could point me to a single proven instance of that it would be helpful.
Your assumption is false, and you're derailing OP's thread.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:55 pm
by traehekat
Fordham, no question about it.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:56 pm
by Lawl Shcool
tesoro wrote:JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:
Congratulations. That still doesn't warrant your dickish remark about my being unfit for law school. My reasons to forego a conditional scholarship are personal and complicated, but not based on rocket science. If you're smart enough to make top third in school, take the time to read a few threads related to conditional scholarships. Then you might, at least in part, understand some of the anti-scholly notions on TLS. HTH
I assume your talking about section-stacking? Because if you could point me to a single proven instance of that it would be helpful.
Your assumption is false, and you're derailing OP's thread.
Ok, then please enlighten me on what your referring to.
In case it makes a difference I voted for Fordham.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:02 pm
by mdgold
JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:
Congratulations. That still doesn't warrant your dickish remark about my being unfit for law school. My reasons to forego a conditional scholarship are personal and complicated, but not based on rocket science. If you're smart enough to make top third in school, take the time to read a few threads related to conditional scholarships. Then you might, at least in part, understand some of the anti-scholly notions on TLS. HTH
I assume your talking about section-stacking? Because if you could point me to a single proven instance of that it would be helpful.
Your assumption is false, and you're derailing OP's thread.
Ok, then please enlighten me on what your referring to.
In case it makes a difference I voted for Fordham.
Yeah, not to be rude but i get excited seeing new posts and I'd rather it not be about the post. Thanks!
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:09 pm
by Thirteen
traehekat wrote:Fordham, no question about it.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 38k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:11 pm
by tesoro
JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:JPU wrote:tesoro wrote:
Congratulations. That still doesn't warrant your dickish remark about my being unfit for law school. My reasons to forego a conditional scholarship are personal and complicated, but not based on rocket science. If you're smart enough to make top third in school, take the time to read a few threads related to conditional scholarships. Then you might, at least in part, understand some of the anti-scholly notions on TLS. HTH
I assume your talking about section-stacking? Because if you could point me to a single proven instance of that it would be helpful.
Your assumption is false, and you're derailing OP's thread.
Ok, then please enlighten me on what your referring to.
In case it makes a difference I voted for Fordham.
If you voted for Fordham, you appear to comprehend the risk/reward analysis of OP's predicament and why Fordham wins out. So what are you looking for clarification on? Why it's silly to not take for granted that you'll end up in the top 33% of a law school class? I think the answer's simple: 67% of the class was similarly accomplished and was also admitted by the school in question, and mathematically cannot be in the top 33% of the class
I'll give you one out of a plethora of reasons to delineate this: Scholly amounts are determined by, in at least some cases, within the range of admits, statistically insignificant differences in LSAT scores (for example, someone with a 165 will not get a scholarship at Fordham. Someone with a 167 will likely get a 15k scholarship. Both of these scores statistically represent the same ability level according to LSAC). Should the guy with the 167 have confidence based on this difference that he will be in the top third of his class just because he received a scholarship?
It's somewhat of a poor example, because Fordham doesn't attach strings to your scholarship. But I think I've made my point clear.
OP- sorry to feed the troll. I went through all this trouble to type it out before seeing your request, so I'll end the discussion here. Congrats on facing a rich man's problem
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:19 pm
by TheBigMediocre
Maybe I'm being math-tarded right now, but for top 40%...wouldn't it be beating 3 out of every 5 people? Not 2 out of every 3?
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:20 pm
by Lawl Shcool
as kenny powers so eloquently put it, "I'm not gonna stop yelling because if I stop that means I lost the fight, I love you all very much , please leave a key under the mat."
good luck OP.
Just saw the recent post: I was looking for clarification on why people here are so defeatist to think that schollys with stips are so bad. IMO as someone who just finished 1L and previously had received awful grades in pre-law school and is now at the (near) top of the class, if you really want to be at the top and stick to your plan (or one of the awesome guides on TLS) you will do it. You are graded purely against everyone else, who will have similar ability based on entering stats. so the only variable is how hard you work/want to do it.
Re: QUICK! Fordham 15k/yr vs. Cardozo 37k/yr
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:37 pm
by mdgold
Going to fordham- thanks everyone!