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garfike wrote:HYS
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Before you flame me, this is just how I personally feel and wanted to here some thoughts from others.
From everything I've ever seen this is a better picture of what it looks like if you stop valuing one particular market over all others (cough cough NYC) and take into account all of the schools ability nationwide. I might do something like make Stanford and Penn lowercase letters for each of their groups. Stanford because it's rep does seem to wane a bit outside of Cali, while H and Y's reputations don't wane anywhere. In addition, H and Y really seem to have S when it comes to Supreme Court clerkships and COA clerkships outside of California plus academia. Penn because it seems to be slightly behind NMBV when it comes to it's reputation amongst lawyers and outside of the northeast. I totally agree with putting Duke and NU ahead of GULC and Cornell. Duke and NU have been significantly out placing those two schools enough for them to merit a higher spot than GULC and Cornell. This ordering also comes closer to aligning with the rep scores that US News releases as well.garfike wrote:HYS
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Before you flame me, this is just how I personally feel and wanted to here some thoughts from others.
You stole this from another thread.garfike wrote:HYS
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Before you flame me, this is just how I personally feel and wanted to here some thoughts from others.
Cornell places just as well as Duke/NU, and both Cornell and GULC have higher reputation scores than NU, so I don't see how this makes sense.McNabb wrote:I totally agree with putting Duke and NU ahead of GULC and Cornell. Duke and NU have been significantly out placing those two schools enough for them to merit a higher spot than GULC and Cornell. This ordering also comes closer to aligning with the rep scores that US News releases as well.
Fox, you may be selling NU short in terms of national placement. I would argue that they place equally as well nationally as do VMPB! Indeed, in a couple of surveys, NU ranks #4 overall in terms of big law placement.Desert Fox wrote:In terms of big law placement?
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Lol, Wut?galahad85 wrote:Cornell places just as well as Duke/NU, and both Cornell and GULC have higher reputation scores than NU, so I don't see how this makes sense.McNabb wrote:I totally agree with putting Duke and NU ahead of GULC and Cornell. Duke and NU have been significantly out placing those two schools enough for them to merit a higher spot than GULC and Cornell. This ordering also comes closer to aligning with the rep scores that US News releases as well.
http://www.law.com/pdf/nlj/20080414empl ... trends.pdfjawsthegreat wrote:Lol, Wut?galahad85 wrote:Cornell places just as well as Duke/NU, and both Cornell and GULC have higher reputation scores than NU, so I don't see how this makes sense.McNabb wrote:I totally agree with putting Duke and NU ahead of GULC and Cornell. Duke and NU have been significantly out placing those two schools enough for them to merit a higher spot than GULC and Cornell. This ordering also comes closer to aligning with the rep scores that US News releases as well.
I like it. Breaking schools down in terms of "who's the best school?" isn't that useful when looking at legal education from a broad perspective. Clerkship =/= Biglaw =/= Academia =/= National Prospects for almost all of the T14. It's not particularly convenient, but there are strengths and weaknesses to each school (except for Y, maybe H, and maybe S) in each category listed. I'd say anti-GTown trolling but I think we all know that's not trueDesert Fox wrote:In terms of big law placement?
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The nlj250 is extraordinarily NYC biased. When you start looking at regions like DC, California, Chicago, Texas, and the south things start getting pretty ugly for Cornell.galahad85 wrote:http://www.law.com/pdf/nlj/20080414empl ... trends.pdf
Not a perfect account, but should be enough to show that Cornell isn't "significantly out placed" by any means.
Class of 2005 stats =/= current outlook.galahad85 wrote:http://www.law.com/pdf/nlj/20080414empl ... trends.pdfjawsthegreat wrote:Lol, Wut?galahad85 wrote:Cornell places just as well as Duke/NU, and both Cornell and GULC have higher reputation scores than NU, so I don't see how this makes sense.McNabb wrote:I totally agree with putting Duke and NU ahead of GULC and Cornell. Duke and NU have been significantly out placing those two schools enough for them to merit a higher spot than GULC and Cornell. This ordering also comes closer to aligning with the rep scores that US News releases as well.
Not a perfect account, but should be enough to show that Cornell isn't "significantly out placed" by any means.
Explain why you think Duke is better than Uva.Veyron wrote:Sometimes, novelty isn't the end all to be all:
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?Desert Fox wrote:Explain why you think Duke is better than Uva.Veyron wrote:Sometimes, novelty isn't the end all to be all:
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No, but it gives an idea of how schools stand relative to one another. In the absence of more current data, this seems better than simply relying on the hearsay that passes for TLS wisdom lately. There's really no data (yet) to support the assumption that Cornell has been hit harder than its (formerly?) peer schools, so we shouldn't be stating it as fact.jawsthegreat wrote:
Class of 2005 stats =/= current outlook.
I'm an idiot. I mean, explain why you think UVa is better than Duke? Duke places equal to or better than UVA it in V100 firms, and slightly worse in clerkships.jawsthegreat wrote:?Desert Fox wrote:Explain why you think Duke is better than Uva.Veyron wrote:Sometimes, novelty isn't the end all to be all:
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undergraduate lay prestige and the fact that Duke has a much smaller class size (which is arguably beneficial in a down market) ... legal history, however, clearly favors UVA, though!Desert Fox wrote:Explain why you think Duke is better than Uva.
I was being dyslexic. I mean to ask why he thought UVa was better than Duke. Because I see them as peer schools.chadwick218 wrote:undergraduate lay prestige and the fact that Duke has a much smaller class size (which is arguably beneficial in a down market) ... legal history, however, clearly favors UVA, though!Desert Fox wrote:Explain why you think Duke is better than Uva.