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Re: Student loan payments: get advice and actual numbers here  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 22, at 1:26:16 am   in: Legal Employment
Considering some repayment options for my 190k debt. I'm seeing that instead of paying ~2200 once a month from 10 years, I can do an extended plan for about ~1200 a month. I was thinking of doing that, and taking the extra $1,000 (2200-1200) and putting that towards my high interest loans.

Why don't more people do that? Is there a catch I'm missing?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=220025

Re: AA MALE 3.1/163  
  by: Kiskeya   on: January 22, at 12:58:17 am   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Also I hope you ended up applying to the t14. As a URM, you are competitive at most schools. I have marginally better stats and have been very fortunate this cycle. But if you're set on BC or BU I think you could go for close to free What are your stats, if you don't mind me asking? Like you said, TLS seems to be pretty dead now when it comes to AA threads and I'd really like to see some info to ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=298485

Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 22, at 12:38:23 am   in: Legal Employment
Related question: With the new hiring plan, lot of summers are gonna be applying for clerkships during the summer of 2L. Is it kosher to take time to interview? I can't imagine people would particularly fussed about a summer stepping out to do a 2nd Cir interview for a an hour or w/e, but can see how flying out to San Francisco would be a different matter? Summers at my firm were allowed to take ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299600

Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: BulletTooth   on: January 22, at 12:36:42 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
What's a reasonable amount of time to take off after clerkships? Wherever I end up, I kinda wanted to start the first week of October, which would be 3 weeks from my clerkship end date. But I don't want to lock myself out of positions. I mean, surely it's reasonable to at least get a week off. I'd rather lock in a trip now, or else I really don't have an "excuse" for starting later when...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=297592

Re: Tell Headhunter You Already Applied There  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 22, at 12:34:36 am   in: Legal Employment
I am paranoid that the recruiter might sabotage or interfere with my application in some sort of way. It might sound irrational, but people are shady.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299622

Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: January 22, at 12:30:45 am   in: Legal Employment
Related question: With the new hiring plan, lot of summers are gonna be applying for clerkships during the summer of 2L. Is it kosher to take time to interview?

I can't imagine people would particularly fussed about a summer stepping out to do a 2nd Cir interview for a an hour or w/e, but can see how flying out to San Francisco would be a different matter?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299600

Re: How to transition from biglaw -> finance?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 22, at 12:18:52 am   in: Legal Employment
Agree about the JD-MBA for banking - straightforward recruiting process, just do a summer associate position. If that's not in the cards, you can network into it from a strong BigLaw corporate practice. I posted more about this in another thread somewhere a few days back. You're not getting private equity at any remotely legit place, I'm gonna be straight up with you - it's extremely difficult get...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299616

Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 11:58:18 pm   in: Legal Employment
Question specific to the Army: I know JAGs typically rotate practice areas, but can you request a specific practice area? If so, and I request a specific area of law (say, regulatory), will I most likely get it or is it always "needs of the Army" at the end of the day?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=31543

Re: Tell Headhunter You Already Applied There  
  by: 2013   on: January 21, at 11:52:05 pm   in: Legal Employment
The recruiter probably won’t care if you self applied. I don’t know why you’d want to keep it a secret, but it’s your choice I guess.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299622

Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: nixy   on: January 21, at 11:18:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
Interesting to see different perspectives (I think it makes a huge difference whether you are in lit or corp). As a corp lawyer, I’m counting down the days till I can leave biglaw for a more lifestyle job - the stress and unpredictability is just not worth the money (as long as loans are paid off and enough money is saved) From reading around this site for a while, I think a ton of people, includ...
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: Res publica   on: January 21, at 11:15:17 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Yes I also plan on being an intern but thank you for the book recommendations! Either way i'm sure you'd get into a good law school. By the way, does your undergrad major help with the lsat? I was told math related majors usually get a high score on the lsat. Sorry i'm asking so many questions but i'd love any advice I can get from you. Haha well I am not sure "it helps." As you will le...
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Re: Bio grad splitter applying to law school in 2019, need advice. 178 LSAT, 3.51 GPA  
  by: sev   on: January 21, at 11:06:07 pm   in: What are my chances?
By the way, you're almost definitely getting into NYU. They're very splitter-friendly and admit almost everyone with above a 170/3.5. Check out the LSN graph if you haven't already.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=299599

Re: W&L vs W&M + General Advice  
  by:   on: January 21, at 11:03:36 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I guess my point is if i have good work ethic and bust my butt for 10+ years can I ever make it to big law? Whether that be via transfer T14, job placement out of law school, or even mid-carreer or am I just doomed to likely statistical outcome of mediocrity in terms of placement in the law community. Honesty appreciated. Can you do well enough 1L year to transfer? Sure. But I wouldn't bet on tha...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: Nicobella   on: January 21, at 10:57:28 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Op: still trying to understand your thought process here. Why do you want to be a lawyer so badly? It sounds like you don't actually want to be a lawyer but you are hoping to talk yourself into it. Also, go ahead and disabuse yourself of the notion that firm lawyers create value for society. You think a firm lawyer isn’t creating value for society when they’re helping protect someone’s invention ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=299479

Re: Transferring from a T30  
  by: janereacher   on: January 21, at 10:53:24 pm   in: Transfers
Some more info from the transfer stats:

The numbers for being at Top 5% = 27% accepted, above top 5% = 44% accepted. This would suggest that with more data points, the top 10% number would be fairly low. However, since you are close to top 5%, maybe you can use that acceptance rate as a guide.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=299595

Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 10:51:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
Interesting to see different perspectives (I think it makes a huge difference whether you are in lit or corp). As a corp lawyer, I’m counting down the days till I can leave biglaw for a more lifestyle job - the stress and unpredictability is just not worth the money (as long as loans are paid off and enough money is saved)
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Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 10:45:01 pm   in: Legal Employment
As somebody who fedclerked, decided QOL was more important than whatever I envisioned typical biglaw QOL to be, I initially pursued a position in the public sector (non-DOJ) for two years, only later realizing I had erred. I enjoyed the work but (in the most non-elitist possible way), I didn’t want to spend my life in a legal position/path where I was pretty hands-down a better and better-credent...
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Re: How to transition from biglaw -> finance?  
  by: spyke123   on: January 21, at 10:27:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think the best option is to apply to summer associate positions at banks (if any banks are still hiring) for your 2L summer and if that does not work out apply for full time associate positions during 3L. From what I’ve seen it is much easier to go straight into finance out of law school then lateral from biglaw.
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 21, at 10:21:39 pm   in: Transfers
On the personal life front, I'll just say that the Obamas made Boston-Chicago work for two years while BO finished up at Harvard Law. If your relationship is solid, you can make it work. While anything can happen with law school grades, my experience was that style of teaching didn't make any difference but style of exam can (e.g. I aced all straight forward issue spotters). If the exams are the ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=299590

Re: Transferring from a T30  
  by: janereacher   on: January 21, at 10:20:51 pm   in: Transfers
I've been looking at the posted transfer stats and there isn't enough data on your situation (10% at T30-ish school) to make any reliable predictions, but out of the two in that situation who applied, one was accepted. So, it's doable. Beyond that, it's hard to say.
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: janereacher   on: January 21, at 10:07:58 pm   in: Transfers
On the personal life front, I'll just say that the Obamas made Boston-Chicago work for two years while BO finished up at Harvard Law. If your relationship is solid, you can make it work. While anything can happen with law school grades, my experience was that style of teaching didn't make any difference but style of exam can (e.g. I aced all straight forward issue spotters). If the exams are the s...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=299590

Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: January 21, at 10:07:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
As somebody who fedclerked, decided QOL was more important than whatever I envisioned typical biglaw QOL to be, I initially pursued a position in the public sector (non-DOJ) for two years, only later realizing I had erred. I enjoyed the work but (in the most non-elitist possible way), I didn’t want to spend my life in a legal position/path where I was pretty hands-down a better and better-credent...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299609

Tell Headhunter You Already Applied There  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 9:59:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
If a recruiter/headhunter you talked to in the past tells you about a position and you already applied there, would you tell the recruiter that you already applied there or would you just pretend you are not interested? I am generally not keen on telling recruiters where I have active applications, especially if I interviewed at a specific firm and are under consideration.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299622

Re: Law School vs Engineering  
  by: Npret   on: January 21, at 9:43:37 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I'm a junior lawyer in biglaw, so while I may not be an expert, I know a thing or two about "the law." It would be stupid for you to give up everything (especially as the main breadwinner) to indulge the fantasy of what you think the practice of law is. There's no guarantee you'll be happy as a lawyer (especially in biglaw). I don't want to be harsh, but here's a couple of things to con...
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Re: Law School vs Engineering  
  by: dassale1   on: January 21, at 9:24:31 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I'm a junior lawyer in biglaw, so while I may not be an expert, I know a thing or two about "the law." It would be stupid for you to give up everything (especially as the main breadwinner) to indulge the fantasy of what you think the practice of law is. There's no guarantee you'll be happy as a lawyer (especially in biglaw). I don't want to be harsh, but here's a couple of things to con...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=299611

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: S.P.F. 30   on: January 21, at 9:01:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
Moment of truth starts as early as tomorrow. Good luck everyone and thanks. It's been good to consult ideas with you and find support during this process. Hopefully, we'll be working with each other come March.

Cheers.
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Re: W&L vs W&M + General Advice  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 21, at 8:49:42 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I guess my point is if i have good work ethic and bust my butt for 10+ years can I ever make it to big law? Whether that be via transfer T14, job placement out of law school, or even mid-carreer or am I just doomed to likely statistical outcome of mediocrity in terms of placement in the law community. Honesty appreciated. Can you do well enough 1L year to transfer? Sure. But I wouldn't bet on tha...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=299615

Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 21, at 8:41:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
people who had chill jobs and hated it: can you explain why? is it just the finances? It’s a little hard to articulate but it stems from the basic premise that the top level work goes to top level firms (generally). If you’re in litigation cause you love it (as many high level litigators do), there’s just something inherently less fulfilling about being at a lower level firm doing lower level wor...
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Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 8:34:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
As somebody who fedclerked, decided QOL was more important than whatever I envisioned typical biglaw QOL to be, I initially pursued a position in the public sector (non-DOJ) for two years, only later realizing I had erred. I enjoyed the work but (in the most non-elitist possible way), I didn’t want to spend my life in a legal position/path where I was pretty hands-down a better and better-credent...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299609

Re: How to transition from biglaw -> finance?  
  by: waytoplant   on: January 21, at 8:23:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does it make sense to try to do a JD/MBA at your school? Or just drop out of law school altogether, chalk up the two years to a bad decision/sunk cost, and apply to business school? I'm sure your plan to move into finance is not impossible and may work out fine, but it sounds like you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole when maybe you should just be making a round peg.
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Re: Transfer from Taft  
  by: Johnnybgoode92   on: January 21, at 8:06:04 pm   in: Transfers

dropout wrote:I contacted udc law and they do not accept transfers from nonaba schools. My wife will not move to cali so i am forced to try my luck at local schools

Like which?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=299307

Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: January 21, at 7:48:43 pm   in: Legal Employment
people who had chill jobs and hated it: can you explain why? is it just the finances? It’s a little hard to articulate but it stems from the basic premise that the top level work goes to top level firms (generally). If you’re in litigation cause you love it (as many high level litigators do), there’s just something inherently less fulfilling about being at a lower level firm doing lower level wor...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299609

Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: xonimi   on: January 21, at 7:38:20 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I am sitting the February attorneys exam, and am winding my way thru essay after essay after essay. Question: I know I read somewhere that there are predictions made each year for what subjects will show up? Not that I will rely on such, but I would be curious as to any ideas. Dennis Saccuzzo of BarSecrets does predictions for every exam. He's not always correct though. I think you can loo...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=298763

Re: 3.7, 176 - HLS?  
  by: Dcc617   on: January 21, at 7:32:02 pm   in: What are my chances?
I got in with those numbers a few cycles ago. I applied on day on and got accepted at the end of March.
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Re: W&L vs W&M + General Advice  
  by:   on: January 21, at 7:22:12 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Biglaw is hard to get from either of these schools. DC biglaw is even more competitive than NY biglaw. Neither W&L nor W&M are likely to get you biglaw, let alone at a DC firm, if you don't have stellar grades. If your only interest is in corporate law at a big firm, you should not go to either choice. I clearly don't know as much about this process as you do, but I think it's fair to poi...
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Re: W&L vs W&M + General Advice  
  by:   on: January 21, at 7:05:29 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
What is your actual LSAT score and GPA? That would help figure out whether you really have reached a point where you can't improve or if you just need to change your approach. However... I am a Virginia resident and would like to work in corporate law in DC/East-Coast. Biglaw is hard to get from either of these schools. DC biglaw is even more competitive than NY biglaw. Neither W&L nor W&...
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Assistant State Attorney General Career Path  
  by: _lw1234   on: January 21, at 7:02:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
Any Assistant State Attorneys General on here willing to share how they got where they are (valuable courses, internships, extra curriculars, first jobs, etc.)? And a little info on a typical day/the kind of cases you see? 1L grades just released, sitting near top 30% at a strong regional school. Goal office is in a top 10 state by population in that state’s biggest city (Where my law school is lo...
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Re: W&L vs W&M + General Advice  
  by: VirginiaFan   on: January 21, at 6:38:51 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Biglaw is hard to get from either of these schools. DC biglaw is even more competitive than NY biglaw. Neither W&L nor W&M are likely to get you biglaw, let alone at a DC firm, if you don't have stellar grades. If your only interest is in corporate law at a big firm, you should not go to either choice. I clearly don't know as much about this process as you do, but I think it's fair to poi...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=299615

Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 21, at 6:36:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
people who had chill jobs and hated it: can you explain why? is it just the finances?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299609

Re: UVA Law Students Taking Questions  
  by: LawMan16   on: January 21, at 6:35:07 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Another question as I get my schedule set:


Does anyone know if Doran cold calls in his non-doctrinal classes? Does he use a fairly narrow curve?


Thanks again for any insights!
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: anonymous2898   on: January 21, at 6:34:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
ISO a studio or 1bd in DC. I’ll be working just south of Farragut West, so preferably Foggy Bottom, but something in NoVA along the orange line would also work. No firm dates yet - most likely late May - late July. I know it's not the same location as what you're looking for, but my 1br apartment in Bethesda, MD (along the Red Line) will be open from mid-May through end of August. If you can't fi...
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Re: W&L vs W&M + General Advice  
  by: Eggs   on: January 21, at 6:26:35 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Biglaw is hard to get from either of these schools. DC biglaw is even more competitive than NY biglaw. Neither W&L nor W&M are likely to get you biglaw, let alone at a DC firm, if you don't have stellar grades. If your only interest is in corporate law at a big firm, you should not go to either choice. I clearly don't know as much about this process as you do, but I think it's fair to poi...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=299615

Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 6:23:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
I paid off my student loan at BL and then lateraled to a chill firm (in the same market), with a $30k reduction in pay. Still deciding if this was a good move. Hours are much better but the work isn’t as interesting. Overall, with no student loan, financially, it's about the same (will miss the hefty bonus).
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299609

Re: Is Quinn lit as good as for some reason I think it is  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 6:22:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
Quinn is a very good litigation firm. It is not elite. I used to work at Quinn and we would work high profile cases all the way up to the trial and like 2 weeks before trial, the client would parachute in an actual trial boutique in to do the trial. This happened 7 times in 3 years.
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Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 6:22:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
I paid off my student loan at BL and then lateraled to a chill firm (in the same market), with a $30k reduction in pay. Still deciding if this was a good move. Hours are much better but the work isn’t as interesting. Overall, with no student loan, financially, it's about the same (will miss the hefty bonus).
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299609

Re: Transfer from Taft  
  by: dropout   on: January 21, at 6:19:17 pm   in: Transfers
I contacted udc law and they do not accept transfers from nonaba schools. My wife will not move to cali so i am forced to try my luck at local schools
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=299307

Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: gingerbread   on: January 21, at 5:41:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
Uncle Sam takes such a large chunk of my biglaw salary that it hasn't been worth it for me.
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Re: AA MALE 3.1/163  
  by: NegusDaHabesha   on: January 21, at 5:33:36 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Also I hope you ended up applying to the t14. As a URM, you are competitive at most schools. I have marginally better stats and have been very fortunate this cycle. But if you're set on BC or BU I think you could go for close to free What are your stats, if you don't mind me asking? Like you said, TLS seems to be pretty dead now when it comes to AA threads and I'd really like to see some info to ...
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Is Quinn lit as good as for some reason I think it is  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 5:32:09 pm   in: Legal Employment
I am at a highly ranked international biglaw firm as a lower midlevel associate in the lit group. I lateraled in from the public sector, where I had substantive trial/appellate experience. I fedclerked before that. At my firm, I get good reviews and can feel myself adding value. I cruise to bonus level each year. I have good relationships with partners. But (and this night just be my type A person...
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Re: 3.7, 176 - HLS?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 21, at 5:25:57 pm   in: What are my chances?
You should certainly apply to HLS, as well as to the remaining T13 schools. I don't see a need to apply to "safeties" outside the T13, though you could consider tossing a specific T20 or two into the mix if you want.
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Re: How to transition from biglaw -> finance?  
  by: jkpolk   on: January 21, at 5:15:51 pm   in: Legal Employment
2L heading to a V10 corporate practice this summer. For various reasons, I’m looking to make the switch out of biglaw and into finance as soon as possible. PE is the pipe dream, but very interested in IB as well. There are a few things I think will hamper me in my attempt to transition: (1) I’m K-JD, (2) liberal arts undergrad degree, and (3) the city I’m doing my SA in has no real IB scene (but ...
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3.7, 176 - HLS?  
  by:   on: January 21, at 5:01:36 pm   in: What are my chances?
Hello all! I am planning on applying next fall with a 3.7 and 176. I am currently trying to assemble a good mix of reaches, matches, and safeties for law school applications. My main question is: should I apply to Harvard Law (i.e. do I stand a chance)? My undergrad was within the top 30 (USNWR) and I majored in social sciences with many upper-level and grad level courses. I also have work experie...
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: AdieuCali   on: January 21, at 4:40:41 pm   in: Legal Employment
ISO a studio or 1bd in DC. I’ll be working just south of Farragut West, so preferably Foggy Bottom, but something in NoVA along the orange line would also work. No firm dates yet - most likely late May - late July.
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How to transition from biglaw -> finance?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 4:39:01 pm   in: Legal Employment
2L heading to a V10 corporate practice this summer. For various reasons, I’m looking to make the switch out of biglaw and into finance as soon as possible. PE is the pipe dream, but very interested in IB as well. There are a few things I think will hamper me in my attempt to transition: (1) I’m K-JD, (2) liberal arts undergrad degree, and (3) the city I’m doing my SA in has no real IB scene (but a...
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: toast and bananas   on: January 21, at 4:08:53 pm   in: Transfers
I was in the same position and decided to take the sure thing. It actually worked out great for me because I received a decision in May (rather than August), and the lead time was very helpful for a number of reasons. I do not feel like I "missed out" on harvard or anything, and spending 2 years in Chicago was some of the most fun i've ever had living somewhere. I don't think anyone woul...
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Re: W&L vs W&M + General Advice  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 21, at 3:54:13 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
What is your actual LSAT score and GPA? That would help figure out whether you really have reached a point where you can't improve or if you just need to change your approach. However... I am a Virginia resident and would like to work in corporate law in DC/East-Coast. Biglaw is hard to get from either of these schools. DC biglaw is even more competitive than NY biglaw. Neither W&L nor W&M...
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Re: Student loan payments: get advice and actual numbers here  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 3:34:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
2014 graduate here - started off with $265,000 in loans between undergrad and law school (40k undergrad; 225k law school). Did a clerkship immediately after graduation and have been working BL since. I currently owe $74,000 (ref'd rate is 4.25%), with assets worth ~$140,000. (cash: ~25k; investments: ~53k in 401k; ~60k in brokerage account, all in SPY). Here is where I am hoping to get some feedba...
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Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: AVBucks4239   on: January 21, at 3:13:10 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you have huge student loans or other debt, the shitty quality of life at Big Law might be worth it for 18-24 months and then the exit options. But if you don't, the money isn't worth it because the per diem (the money) actually sucks. When you break it down, and assuming you aren't a contract PD, you probably make more hourly as a public defender than your actual hourly rate in big law. So, if ...
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Re: Law School vs Engineering  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 21, at 3:09:04 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I'm a junior lawyer in biglaw, so while I may not be an expert, I know a thing or two about "the law." It would be stupid for you to give up everything (especially as the main breadwinner) to indulge the fantasy of what you think the practice of law is. There's no guarantee you'll be happy as a lawyer (especially in biglaw). I don't want to be harsh, but here's a couple of things to cons...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: jptx   on: January 21, at 3:07:51 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I have a follow up question. For those who take the exam by computer, are the questions downloaded to the computer, or handed out and then just answered by the applicant using the software? I am reviewing essays, and certainly find it helpful to mark up the question with highlighting etc. as I prepare to write, especially with the performance exam. I am revealing my age here. In law school, all o...
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W&L vs W&M + General Advice  
  by:   on: January 21, at 3:03:08 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
General Advice Appreciated! Background: Attended UVA undergrad with honors(14'-18'), took LSAT 3 times (could not improve). Have an offer from W&L with $40k per year and and W&M with $18k per year. Currently waitlisted at UVA and waiting on T20 others. I am a Virginia resident and would like to work in corporate law in DC/East-Coast. Would like to transfer up if possible/needed but obvious...
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Transfer from T1 to NYU  
  by: wafflesfordays   on: January 21, at 2:59:04 pm   in: Transfers
I got 3 B's 1L fall semester (3.0 GPA) at a T30-40 school in the northeast (My school curves to a 3.2). 2 final grades are due to inadequate testing accommodations (I have a disability). I am fighting with my school to see if I can retake these exams. Assuming I cannot I want to transfer schools. Will I have a chance at transferring to NYU assuming I get a 3.67 gpa or better spring semester (overa...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: jptx   on: January 21, at 2:58:26 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I signed up for attorneys exam. Not sure if i should have just taken the full day exam because of the subjective scoring on essays and low attorneys exam pass rate. On washington bar I got a 159 on the MBE. Does anyone know what this would equate to for the California bar? 795 (1590 /2) I have recommended in other forums to take the two day as statistically your chances go from 30 to 50 percent. ...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: maureenwct   on: January 21, at 2:54:00 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I have a follow up question. For those who take the exam by computer, are the questions downloaded to the computer, or handed out and then just answered by the applicant using the software? I am reviewing essays, and certainly find it helpful to mark up the question with highlighting etc. as I prepare to write, especially with the performance exam. I am revealing my age here. In law school, all ou...
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Re: Dropping out  
  by: Lolstudent   on: January 21, at 2:25:34 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Does your school curve to a 3.0-3.2? If so, you are at or just below median. The situation is far from hopeless because you have a semester before OCI and five before graduation. There are far worse situations than being median at a t40. Unless you are miserable in school, you should focus your energy on improving this semester rather than redoing a whole application cycle, first semester of 1L, ...
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Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: January 21, at 2:07:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
As somebody who fedclerked, decided QOL was more important than whatever I envisioned typical biglaw QOL to be, I initially pursued a position in the public sector (non-DOJ) for two years, only later realizing I had erred. I enjoyed the work but (in the most non-elitist possible way), I didn’t want to spend my life in a legal position/path where I was pretty hands-down a better and better-credenti...
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Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 21, at 2:01:38 pm   in: Transfers

Wild Card wrote:Columbia would be worth it, but not NYU.

Ignore this, OP. Columbia and NYU students have practically identical opportunities.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 21, at 2:00:20 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I'll obviously defer to WinterComing about the recruiting process at Yale for those unicorn jobs, but I also think we both have to accept some level of mushiness in how that term is defined, and I think the way I define it may differ at least partially from yours. When I look at "unicorn" outcomes, I'm talking about unicorn legal outcomes strictly, so things like ACLU, DOJ civil rights (...
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Re: Law School vs Engineering  
  by: dassale1   on: January 21, at 1:34:44 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Sorry for missing a few words.
The LG bible
A completely cold one
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Re: Law School vs Engineering  
  by: dassale1   on: January 21, at 1:32:10 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
It sounds like you have a burning desire to practice law. Economically, you'd probably be better off staying in engineering, where it sounds like you have a good, lucrative job. But I think happiness is also important, and if you'd be miserable giving up on your dream of being a lawyer, I think that's powerful stuff. Have you taken any practice LSATs yet? What's your undergraduate GPA (if you att...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: UsernameNotTaken   on: January 21, at 1:12:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not worth it. I'd also be wary of thinking 100% offer really means 100% offer. Work at a firm that always posts 100% offers. For the year I summered, they posted 100%, but that was a lie. There were cold offers, including for two summers who did something particularly stupid, and people knew other SAs who weren't coming back. They got to say that got offers to help their employment prospects/este...
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Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: Wild Card   on: January 21, at 1:11:07 pm   in: Transfers
Columbia would be worth it, but not NYU.
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Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 1:03:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
In my view, there is nothing, and i mean NOTHING, worse than money stress. So if you have loans, I'd go big law until you have no loans. If you don't have any savings, I'd go big law until you have savings. I personally went to a regional firm as a third year because I thought I couldn't hack big law. Turns out I can hack big law more than I can hack several additional years of student debt. So I ...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: bob311   on: January 21, at 12:58:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not worth it. I'd also be wary of thinking 100% offer really means 100% offer. Work at a firm that always posts 100% offers. For the year I summered, they posted 100%, but that was a lie. There were cold offers, including for two summers who did something particularly stupid, and people knew other SAs who weren't coming back. They got to say that got offers to help their employment prospects/este...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 21, at 12:53:50 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Op: still trying to understand your thought process here. Why do you want to be a lawyer so badly? It sounds like you don't actually want to be a lawyer but you are hoping to talk yourself into it.

Also, go ahead and disabuse yourself of the notion that firm lawyers create value for society.
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 12:52:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
It would be fine at my firm. In fact, we had several summers take off a Friday for a wedding or other obligations last summer. The only reason I even knew was that they weren’t around for Friday happy hours, and no one could have cared less. In terms I of actual work, while assignments I give summers are typically things that do need to get done on real client matters, I pretty much give the assig...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: Grapes   on: January 21, at 12:50:00 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I signed up for attorneys exam. Not sure if i should have just taken the full day exam because of the subjective scoring on essays and low attorneys exam pass rate.

On washington bar I got a 159 on the MBE. Does anyone know what this would equate to for the California bar?
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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction  
  by: Shredzeppelin240   on: January 21, at 12:38:48 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum

OnThePrecipice wrote:Your enthusiasm is inspiring. Keep it up dude. You got this.

Wow I'm glad thank you!

Also, I don't normally care much for grammar but goodness was that last post by me hard to read.. Please excuse my errors especially on posts following tests.. My brain is usually pretty fried. I wish it would let me edit after someone else has responded but oh well.
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 12:27:54 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Echoing Nixby, career services has a different perspective than you. The firm won't particularly care (don't ever expect to get hired by them again, but I wouldn't expect them to badmouth you to other firms or something. If you are going for a very small market the approach might be different, but if you are in a larger one just take the better firm. The sooner you let them know the better though...
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Re: Bio grad splitter applying to law school in 2019, need advice. 178 LSAT, 3.51 GPA  
  by: Shadow9314   on: January 21, at 12:24:56 pm   in: What are my chances?
Thanks for your insight guys! In terms of work in PA, I want to work BigLaw so in the northeast the firms I'd mostly be interested in are Morgan, Lewis and Dechert. Of course I'm not going to go into law school with the intention of only working in these firms, but that's where my interest lies. In terms of which particular facets of law, I'm not comfortable choosing one yet. I wouldn't mind worki...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: UsernameNotTaken   on: January 21, at 12:18:49 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not worth it. I'd also be wary of thinking 100% offer really means 100% offer. Work at a firm that always posts 100% offers. For the year I summered, they posted 100%, but that was a lie. There were cold offers, including for two summers who did something particularly stupid, and people knew other SAs who weren't coming back. They got to say that got offers to help their employment prospects/este...
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Re: Law School vs Engineering  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 21, at 12:14:10 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
It sounds like you have a burning desire to practice law. Economically, you'd probably be better off staying in engineering, where it sounds like you have a good, lucrative job. But I think happiness is also important, and if you'd be miserable giving up on your dream of being a lawyer, I think that's powerful stuff. Have you taken any practice LSATs yet? What's your undergraduate GPA (if you atte...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: Nicobella   on: January 21, at 12:12:05 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Thanks, everyone! I can say that as of now I definitely don't have a burning desire because I haven't done anything law-related yet. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't really enjoy it. I plan on reaching out to some alumni from my school and asking to do some law office shadowing prior to my start date. I also have a relative I can shadow. I am really intrigued by the job based on people I have talk...
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 12:07:37 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I accepted an offer from my SA firm after my 2L summer, and a couple months later I received a District court clerkship to begin after graduation. I deferred my accepted offer at the SA firm. Is it taboo to renege on an accepted offer for a better, post-clerkship firm? My school is is vehemently against this, arguing that the school has strong ties to this firm for student placement in their SA p...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: WinterComing   on: January 21, at 12:04:03 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think there is also a fundamental misunderstanding of outcomes sometimes, where there are many firms/outcomes that are only attainable from HYS, and so it falls into a "gamble on yourself" sort of confirmation bias. It's pretty widely understood that certain outcomes may be easier/more attainable at HYS over other schools, such as finding your way to a SCOTUS/feeder clerkship, ACLU, D...
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Re: Student loan payments: get advice and actual numbers here  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 12:02:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
2017 Grad
NYC Biglaw (market)
$320,000 debt
$60-70k in savings

Currently on PAYE, and have been trying to save as much as possible for the first couple years. I can't see myself sticking it out in biglaw much longer. Thoughts on whether it's better to Refi or just ride it out on PAYE for 20 years?
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: MikeSpecter   on: January 21, at 11:49:49 am   in: Legal Employment
Looking for a sublet in Boston. Mainly interested in a studio or 1 bedroom place. Let me know if you have anything, looking at you Harvard students!

Also, I have a place in Ann Arbor in the off chance anyone is looking for something there.
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 11:49:15 am   in: Legal Employment
Surprised to see so many people suggesting this is a big deal. If it's even a modestly sized NYC office, literally nobody will notice or care. During my summer at a V10 in NYC, any summer associate could've skipped multiple Fridays and nobody would've known. And now, as a 4th year associate, I likewise think it shouldn't be a concern for you as a summer associate. I rarely NEED a summer associate ...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: miskellyjohnson   on: January 21, at 11:39:04 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Don't do it. Stay in engineering. I entered college as a civil engineering major switched majors since I hated math. To this day, I regret my decision. Engineering is my passion. America is inundated with lawyers, but not that many people are in STEM fields. All lawyers care about is money and all they do is lie and stab each other in the back. You're making good money and helping society. Don't ...
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Re: Good Personal Statement - How can it be better?  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 21, at 11:38:08 am   in: Law School Personal Statements
This is very good, but I feel like it spirals a bit quickly near the end from your life/journey —> all human inequities —> the role of law. “Men like me are hanged” is a perfectly great transition, but then the jump to other non-LGBT abuses (especially treatment of immigrants, just because the essay has been very focused on sexuality-related issues and suddenly takes a big jump), to “But all this...
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Re: Student loan payments: get advice and actual numbers here  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 11:36:06 am   in: Legal Employment
Class: 2018 JD
Debt: 98K
Income: 80K
Interest: 5 ~ 7% (Different based on group)
Plan: 10 Year plan

I have been paying the minimum payments each month while also paying off the 7% groups first as aggressively as I can. Should I continue this way, or refinance and minimize monthly payments while maximizing monthly savings?
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Auxilio   on: January 21, at 11:09:07 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Echoing Nixby, career services has a different perspective than you. The firm won't particularly care (don't ever expect to get hired by them again, but I wouldn't expect them to badmouth you to other firms or something. If you are going for a very small market the approach might be different, but if you are in a larger one just take the better firm. The sooner you let them know the better though.
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I want to hear about your daily work life  
  by:   on: January 21, at 10:58:51 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi all - used to post under a different username and got a lot out of this forum while I was applying to law school and job hunting. I've got a website where we publish "day in the life" posts about different careers. Here's one we published from a litigation associate: http://thecareerfiles.com/2018/02/08/a-day-in-the-life-associate-attorney I would love to see more submissions from law...
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Re: Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: nixy   on: January 21, at 10:42:43 am   in: Legal Employment
What do you want to do long term, and does it require biglaw experience?

Myself, I'd totally go for the NYC agency, but my long term goal is to hang out in a job I like and have a life. If you have different aspirations, you would need to weigh those a little more. But there's nothing wrong with working to live, not living to work.
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 10:40:28 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I accepted an offer from my SA firm after my 2L summer, and a couple months later I received a District court clerkship to begin after graduation. I deferred my accepted offer at the SA firm. Is it taboo to renege on an accepted offer for a better, post-clerkship firm? My school is is vehemently against this, arguing that the school has strong ties to this firm for student placement in their SA p...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: maureenwct   on: January 21, at 10:26:16 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thank you for your responses.

I have been a practicing attorney for many years so some subject areas - like Evidence and Remedies - I know well and can certainly hit most major issues. Others, such as Con Law - I haven't reviewed since law school. I also find I am getting to the answer too quickly - so there is that.

Good luck to all of you, and thank you for helping me with the score assessment.
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 10:21:36 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I accepted an offer from my SA firm after my 2L summer, and a couple months later I received a District court clerkship to begin after graduation. I deferred my accepted offer at the SA firm. Is it taboo to renege on an accepted offer for a better, post-clerkship firm? My school is is vehemently against this, arguing that the school has strong ties to this firm for student placement in their SA pr...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: jptx   on: January 21, at 10:03:07 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, Question: I know I read somewhere that there are predictions made each year for what subjects will show up? Not that I will rely on such, but I would be curious as to any ideas. I am not sure how anyone can "predict" from one exam to the next (maybe if you believe in Tarot cards, or crystal balls), but the below probably is the best answer to this question. Professionally respons...
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Re: Typical In-House Salary Package for Junior Lawyer?  
  by: nealric   on: January 21, at 10:02:46 am   in: Legal Employment
Acknowledging there’s obviously some variance, how long do companies typically wait after posting the job opening to reach out to applicants for an interview? I also noticed that the company has reposted the position a week after the initial posting (which was when I applied). Does this mean they’ve reviewed and didn’t find what they were looking for, or am I reading too much into it? I think mos...
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: nealric   on: January 21, at 9:37:50 am   in: Legal Employment
How strict they are depends on how desperate they are for candidates. If they entire department is swamped and just looking for warm bodies, that's a very different situation from a firm looking to replace the unique skills of a specific go-to associate. Worst they can say is no, though it's generally better to wait until you have a few years experience before attempting to lateral unless you are ...
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Law School vs Engineering  
  by: dassale1   on: January 21, at 9:37:39 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I read a post about someone that would like to go to law school and is wondering if she/he has to do it given she/he hasn't start working yet. My case is similar but a bit different ( lol) so I would really appreciate your input. I'm a 27 years old AA woman. I've been working as a petroleum engineer for like 4 years but I want to go to law school. As far as I can remember, I always wanted to be a ...
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Re: Akin Gump vs Baker McKenzie 1L Summer Associate  
  by:   on: January 21, at 9:17:33 am   in: Legal Employment
Thanks everyone! I accepted the Akin offer today.
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 9:11:27 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Is the standard rate for clerkship bonuses still 50/70k? Or has there been some upward movement in recent months/years given the economy and general big law salary increases? Just one data point but I'm a current two-year district court clerk who accepted an offer from a V50 firm with 70k bonus. No upward movement for me. Another data point: got 50k for one two year clerkship. From talking to fri...
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Re: Need based scholarship and pre-law school employment  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 21, at 8:59:36 am   in: Financial Aid
100% need-based scholarships are pretty much nonexistent outside of HYS. But yes, your income and savings--and possibly your parent's income level, depending on your age--will factor in to that calculation. Having a dependent spouse/children will also factor in.

But outside of HYS, your scholarship offers will be mostly merit-based, or some black-box combination of merit and need.
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Need based scholarship and pre-law school employment  
  by: dassale1   on: January 21, at 8:50:39 am   in: Financial Aid
How does your job salary before going to law school affect your need based scholarship in the Top 6? My parents are middle class but I make a 6 figures salary. I'm married and have a kid. However, I will have to quit my job to start law school and it will really affect my family as I am the main breadwinner. So do you think my salary before law school would prevent me from getting a good need base...
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Re: Typical In-House Salary Package for Junior Lawyer?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 8:20:48 am   in: Legal Employment
Acknowledging there’s obviously some variance, how long do companies typically wait after posting the job opening to reach out to applicants for an interview?

I also noticed that the company has reposted the position a week after the initial posting (which was when I applied). Does this mean they’ve reviewed and didn’t find what they were looking for, or am I reading too much into it?
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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction  
  by: OnThePrecipice   on: January 21, at 7:16:43 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Your enthusiasm is inspiring. Keep it up dude. You got this.
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 21, at 3:45:08 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
100k straight out of undergrad (assuming ok hours) is every practicing lawyer's dream job. Don't squander it by going to law school. Look into FIRE. Save your money and retire at 40. You'll be happier than any lawyer I know. To be fair, it isn't all about the money. I'm sure I'd be financially better off if I'd stuck with my original plan and gone "K-MD," but I know now that being a doc...
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Higher pay (and higher stress) or lower pay (and better quality of life)?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 3:23:50 am   in: Legal Employment
If you could do it all over again, would you take the higher paying but more stressful job? Or would you go the lower paying, government route with better quality of life? I constantly find myself going back and forth between gunning for BigLaw for the money and exit options after a few years (because I would not want to stay), or a comfortable job with a NYC agency. The prospect of a 9-5, no week...
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Re: The New Clerkship Plan  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 2:37:12 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
9th circuit and we are following the plan. I don’t know of any judges on the court who have opted out of the plan (Chief Judge Thomas was one of its major proponents) but that doesn’t mean that some haven’t done so quietly.
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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: nixy   on: January 21, at 1:15:23 am   in: Legal Employment
People actually do get hired directly out of MLS programs; it’s not like legal academia where there’s an expectation of practice experience (if only a couple of years). The issue is more that there aren’t a lot of jobs. (Source: I know a bunch of librarians.) That is not a current expectation of legal academia. That’s fair - it’s an outdated one (the path used to be work for a couple of years, no...
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: 2013   on: January 21, at 1:12:47 am   in: Legal Employment
You can’t count your internship experience. Also, a lot of jobs that are 1-3 years are usually looking for closer to 3 years. 5 months is realistically not enough experience to get an interview unless you have past experience pre-law school in that field or you have some other compelling reason for being a stellar candidate. The postings I have seen list 1 year as the requirement, not 1-3 years. ...
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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: RedPurpleBlue   on: January 21, at 12:54:16 am   in: Legal Employment

nixy wrote:People actually do get hired directly out of MLS programs; it’s not like legal academia where there’s an expectation of practice experience (if only a couple of years). The issue is more that there aren’t a lot of jobs. (Source: I know a bunch of librarians.)

That is not a current expectation of legal academia.
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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 21, at 12:37:32 am   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know if Jones is still looking at applications for 2020?

She's full. I know two of the 2020 clerks and both said she is done hiring.
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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 11:53:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
People actually do get hired directly out of MLS programs; it’s not like legal academia where there’s an expectation of practice experience (if only a couple of years). The issue is more that there aren’t a lot of jobs. (Source: I know a bunch of librarians.)
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: criminologygeek   on: January 20, at 11:52:02 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
This is honestly helpful and relatable unlike those that say just focus on my GPA. I already have a high GPA of 3.9 with 21 credits this semester. However, I won't start studying until summer of sophomore year but even then won't go in hard because there's no point since it would be a year or two away. By the way I admire your lsat score-that's honestly my target score. And you mentioned how it t...
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Re: NY to 210k  
  by: 2013   on: January 20, at 11:49:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think the next raise will induce firms to return to the traditional model of paying associates in NYC/DC more than associates in other offices. It never made sense anyway to pay associates in Houston the same as associates in NYC given the huge COL differential. It may also lead firms to experiment with raising certain practice groups and not others. I don't think patent prosecution, for exampl...
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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 11:41:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
Haven't heard much about Atlanta since Dec. What's up?
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: criminologygeek   on: January 20, at 11:39:43 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Literally anything else would be a better use of your time right now. You shouldn't even be beginning to think about the LSAT for another three years. Yeah, so you're saying don't even think about studying for another 3 years when i'm a senior in college. Love that. And what score would I get from that, a 140? Listen, I like studying slow instead of cramming like a maniac last minute. But thanks ...
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Re: Mention wanting to work in state for LOCI (waitlisted)  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:35:51 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
You can mention it, but I doubt it'd move the needle if by "New York" you mean NYC, the largest legal market in North America. It's different if by "New York" you mean you have a specific interest in practicing upstate, and the school in question is located upstate. In that case a desire to work in, say, Buffalo or Albany would be helpful to note in a LOCI.
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Re: NY to 210k  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:30:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think the next raise will induce firms to return to the traditional model of paying associates in NYC/DC more than associates in other offices. It never made sense anyway to pay associates in Houston the same as associates in NYC given the huge COL differential. It may also lead firms to experiment with raising certain practice groups and not others. I don't think patent prosecution, for example...
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Re: SECOND DEPARTMENT ADMISSION CHARACTER AND FITNESS  
  by:   on: January 20, at 11:26:25 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

m27 wrote:
123anitsirhC wrote:For the NY State Bar Application, do the Law-Related Employment Affirmations & the Affirmations of Good Moral Character need to be notarized??

Not anymore. The old ones had to, but the most recent version of the employment affirmation and moral character affirmation do not have to be notarized. However they do accept both.


THANK YOU!!
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Re: Should I follow up?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:22:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think a second follow-up indicating your continued interest is helpful, since it's been two weeks since you last heard from them. But I wouldn't follow up a third time after this (unless they expressly ask you to check in again).

Best of luck!
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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:21:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think you should look at the number of law librarian jobs that come open each year compared to the number of graduates with law librarian degrees. As I understand, it's a pretty rough job market out there for them. On a related note, I'd recommend trying to talk to a few law librarians and asking them how they entered the field. (Preferably more junior librarians, as the field and its routes of...
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: anonymous2898   on: January 20, at 11:15:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'll have a open apartment in DC area (Bethesda, MD, 30 min. to downtown DC by Metro), open from Mid-May to end of August. New construction building (2015), 1 bedroom/1 bath, washer/dryer in unit, close to metro. Private message me if you're interested.

Already have housing arrangements in NYC where I'll be summering, so not looking for a swap, just a sublet.

PM me if interested.
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Re: Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:14:20 pm   in: Transfers
Good grades at a mid-T14 are good enough to get a federal clerkship and biglaw. I'd only think of transferring if you'd be paying less at HYS. Otherwise the increased cost isn't worth whatever marginal gain in outcomes you'd get. I think this is TCR. Staying also means OP can deepen the relationships they've already developed with profs at their current school, instead of starting all over from g...
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 11:09:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
You can’t count your internship experience. Also, a lot of jobs that are 1-3 years are usually looking for closer to 3 years. 5 months is realistically not enough experience to get an interview unless you have past experience pre-law school in that field or you have some other compelling reason for being a stellar candidate. The postings I have seen list 1 year as the requirement, not 1-3 years. ...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:06:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
Unless you’re at a firm with a working summer, I doubt anyone will care or even notice; associates and partners have way more important things to worry about than where an SA was that one Friday and its ok to miss a summer event (many people with families skip most of them). Ask HR their thoughts to confirm and make sure to give your team a heads up that you’ll be out of town those weekends but c...
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: 2013   on: January 20, at 10:49:30 pm   in: Legal Employment
So, if the listed range is 2-5 years, someone who is a stub year looking to lateral has no shot? Never say never, but highly unlikely. A firm looking for 2-5 years is going to be looking for someone who has substantial experience doing junior level work, and someone who can or is already managing lower level associates. Depending on how busy the group is, though, they may hire you into a group as...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: JakeTappers   on: January 20, at 10:48:22 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I am sitting the February attorneys exam, and am winding my way thru essay after essay after essay. Question: I know I read somewhere that there are predictions made each year for what subjects will show up? Not that I will rely on such, but I would be curious as to any ideas. Question: In order to pass the attorney's test, the score one needs per essay is 65. Is that correct? Or is the av...
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Re: Dropping out  
  by: wafflesfordays   on: January 20, at 10:40:35 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Does your school curve to a 3.0-3.2? If so, you are at or just below median. The situation is far from hopeless because you have a semester before OCI and five before graduation. There are far worse situations than being median at a t40. Unless you are miserable in school, you should focus your energy on improving this semester rather than redoing a whole application cycle, first semester of 1L, ...
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Re: Dropping out  
  by: wafflesfordays   on: January 20, at 10:38:27 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
OP, are your grades the only reason for considering dropping out? Do you actually want to be a lawyer and will your debt be manageable? My grades during 1L were slightly above median, but pretty mediocre. I ended up raising my grades substantially over the remaining years and ended up graduating top 10%. It can be done, but it will take some extra effort. I actually do enjoy the classes I’m takin...
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Re: Kellogg Hansen  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 10:31:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
For those having/had callbacks, how long until you got a response?
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Re: Exit from NYC M&A to Investment Bank?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 10:26:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
Worked at one of the big investment banks before law school. Fair number of the senior investment bankers were former lawyers from your Cravaths, S&Cs, and we hired JD-MBAs into associate roles fairly regularly just through the typical on-campus recruiting. Never had anyone lateral in from a law firm into my group, but 1) I was industry coverage, not M&A (where a legal background would be ...
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Re: Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: yyyuppp   on: January 20, at 10:08:19 pm   in: Transfers
Thanks for the response. Can I ask how you made your decision not to transfer? Also, was it at all strange to ask your professors to write letters for you, get in, and then decide to stay? I feel like I'd be jerking them around if I asked for LORs before I really knew for certain that I'd transfer if accepted. i stayed cuz of friends, clerking, law review, the cost was the same, and i couldn't re...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by:   on: January 20, at 10:03:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
Unless you’re at a firm with a working summer, I doubt anyone will care or even notice; associates and partners have way more important things to worry about than where an SA was that one Friday and its ok to miss a summer event (many people with families skip most of them). Ask HR their thoughts to confirm and make sure to give your team a heads up that you’ll be out of town those weekends but ca...
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Re: Study Partner/Group?  
  by:   on: January 20, at 9:59:44 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hey everyone, I'm signed up to take the March LSAT and would love to join any study group. Feel free to PM me!
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: a male human   on: January 20, at 9:47:10 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Further to above, an average raw score of 65 is a good guideline on where you want your essays to be. This is especially important for attorney examinees. 65 is not a "passing" score. 1440 is a passing score. Historically, ~62.5 raw written on average was equivalent to 1440 scaled written. For a general CA bar taker, you have more leeway because your MBE score could make up for your writ...
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 9:16:47 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Is the standard rate for clerkship bonuses still 50/70k? Or has there been some upward movement in recent months/years given the economy and general big law salary increases? Just one data point but I'm a current two-year district court clerk who accepted an offer from a V50 firm with 70k bonus. No upward movement for me. Another data point: got 50k for one two year clerkship. From talking to fri...
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: Res publica   on: January 20, at 9:14:41 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
This is honestly helpful and relatable unlike those that say just focus on my GPA. I already have a high GPA of 3.9 with 21 credits this semester. However, I won't start studying until summer of sophomore year but even then won't go in hard because there's no point since it would be a year or two away. By the way I admire your lsat score-that's honestly my target score. And you mentioned how it t...
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: RedPurpleBlue   on: January 20, at 8:41:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm looking to get a place in NYC from May 20 to July 26 with a little flexibility in moving in before May 20 and leaving after July 26. Cool with having a room in a multi-room arrangement. I'm a guy if it matters.
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2018-2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 8:37:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
Yes, I went through the process in the past so I’m familiar with it. Background checks for new (non-honors) hires in my component take 3-4 months. Although they begin the background check for honors program people in December, I’m not convinced that it actually requires 8 months to complete, rather than that’s the timeline they follow because they know the honors people don’t have to be on board ...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: jptx   on: January 20, at 8:17:56 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I am sitting the February attorneys exam, and am winding my way thru essay after essay after essay. Question: I know I read somewhere that there are predictions made each year for what subjects will show up? Not that I will rely on such, but I would be curious as to any ideas. Question: In order to pass the attorney's test, the score one needs per essay is 65. Is that correct? Or is the av...
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Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: johnnymacaroni   on: January 20, at 7:54:31 pm   in: Transfers
If you can maintain your grades, you can get a job at virtually any firm in the country. Not much value added to transfer and way more to lose if scholarship money at current school is involved. I'd stay at grind another semester to maintain, and just enjoy killing it at OCI at GULC.
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 7:52:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
So, if the listed range is 2-5 years, someone who is a stub year looking to lateral has no shot?
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: January 20, at 7:48:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
In a similar (yet clearly way more egregious) vein is it a terrible idea to take off the Friday of Memorial Day Weekend as a summer? I'm in DC and the vast majority of working professionals I know take that Friday off to go to the DE/MD beaches/lakes. Seems like most summer programs are starting on the 20th so it would be the first week. Definitely, not an option right? Correct. Not an option. 10...
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: UBETutoring   on: January 20, at 7:30:46 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
You’re also a URM. You don’t need the same grades to get the same job offers. If you are within .2 of median, it would be much better than being a non-URM above median. If you median the other classes, you’re fine. Just be anove the bottom 20 percent and interview well.
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Re: NY to 210k  
  by:   on: January 20, at 7:08:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
Given last year's raise, it won't happen unless firms slim down. Plus, geography and morale. Forcing another NY raise when there isn't motivation to pay all US associates the same forces firms to pay distinct salaries for people in the same year. At my NY firm, there was a lot of talk about if salaries would be raised for associates outside NY, and it took almost a week after the NY announcement ...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by:   on: January 20, at 7:04:49 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not worth it. I'd also be wary of thinking 100% offer really means 100% offer. Work at a firm that always posts 100% offers. For the year I summered, they posted 100%, but that was a lie. There were cold offers, including for two summers who did something particularly stupid, and people knew other SAs who weren't coming back. They got to say that got offers to help their employment prospects/estee...
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Re: THEMIS DISCUSSION - FEBRUARY 2019  
  by: sg.cambs   on: January 20, at 7:03:47 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
What's everyone's strategies for memorising rule statements for the MEEs? Every time I write a graded essay, I'm just hitting blanks for the first ten minutes trying to bullshit the rule before digging into the analysis. Hi there! My personal approach was to print off the themis model answers, (delete fact-specific parts) and highlight/mark them up. Then do you very best to learn the rule stateme...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 6:03:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
In a similar (yet clearly way more egregious) vein is it a terrible idea to take off the Friday of Memorial Day Weekend as a summer? I'm in DC and the vast majority of working professionals I know take that Friday off to go to the DE/MD beaches/lakes. Seems like most summer programs are starting on the 20th so it would be the first week. Definitely, not an option right? Right. Depending on the fi...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 6:01:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
In a similar (yet clearly way more egregious) vein is it a terrible idea to take off the Friday of Memorial Day Weekend as a summer? I'm in DC and the vast majority of working professionals I know take that Friday off to go to the DE/MD beaches/lakes. Seems like most summer programs are starting on the 20th so it would be the first week. Definitely, not an option right?
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 6:01:26 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Literally anything else would be a better use of your time right now. You shouldn't even be beginning to think about the LSAT for another three years. Yeah, so you're saying don't even think about studying for another 3 years when i'm a senior in college. Love that. And what score would I get from that, a 140? Listen, I like studying slow instead of cramming like a maniac last minute. But thanks ...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 5:42:32 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
100k straight out of undergrad (assuming ok hours) is every practicing lawyer's dream job. Don't squander it by going to law school. Look into FIRE. Save your money and retire at 40. You'll be happier than any lawyer I know. To be fair, it isn't all about the money. I'm sure I'd be financially better off if I'd stuck with my original plan and gone "K-MD," but I know now that being a doc...
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: 2013   on: January 20, at 5:40:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
You can’t count your internship experience. Also, a lot of jobs that are 1-3 years are usually looking for closer to 3 years. 5 months is realistically not enough experience to get an interview unless you have past experience pre-law school in that field or you have some other compelling reason for being a stellar candidate. Additionally, if you’re currently not at a biglaw firm, it’ll be even har...
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 5:38:19 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Literally anything else would be a better use of your time right now. You shouldn't even be beginning to think about the LSAT for another three years. Yeah, so you're saying don't even think about studying for another 3 years when i'm a senior in college. Love that. And what score would I get from that, a 140? Listen, I like studying slow instead of cramming like a maniac last minute. But thanks ...
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: criminologygeek   on: January 20, at 5:30:42 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Literally anything else would be a better use of your time right now. You shouldn't even be beginning to think about the LSAT for another three years. Yeah, so you're saying don't even think about studying for another 3 years when i'm a senior in college. Love that. And what score would I get from that, a 140? Listen, I like studying slow instead of cramming like a maniac last minute. But thanks ...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 5:29:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
it just means that subsequent semesters will have to carry a very intense credit load for 3L. I'm a bit confused by the above. We're talking a total of 3 credits, right? That's not a lot of credits to add to an entire year (two semesters) of law school. You could take a 1-credit seminar one semester and a 2-credit seminar the other. You could take an easy 3-credit lecture (those do exist). You co...
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Re: Should I follow up?  
  by: rcharter1978   on: January 20, at 5:28:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
I guess I can't see how a follow up would hurt. Maybe give it another week, but either they don't want you and then you'll know or they are still interested and they will know you're interested too. IMO.
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: criminologygeek   on: January 20, at 5:27:55 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I asked the same question years ago when I was a freshman, and everyone told me to focus on GPA. Well, fast forward 5 years and I got a 178. I took it once, but I put in over 800 hours over 3 years. You should focus on GPA at the moment. Take easy classes, work hard in the tough ones. Don't focus on the LSAT. But during winter break and summer break, spend some time to familiarize yourself with t...
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How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 5:25:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
As the title says, how strict are big law firms with regards to experience requirements? There are some openings I see that ask for one year of experience minimum. I have been working for 5 months now, but I do feel like I could consider my internships as experience too, which would put me around a year. Could anyone shed light on this? It's a generic question but I'd rather not jeopardize my chan...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 20, at 5:07:55 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
100k straight out of undergrad (assuming ok hours) is every practicing lawyer's dream job. Don't squander it by going to law school.

Look into FIRE. Save your money and retire at 40. You'll be happier than any lawyer I know.
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: anonymous2898   on: January 20, at 5:04:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks, all. The consensus seems to be don't risk it, so I'll drop the summer class. And to answer a question above, it's not that if I don't take this class I won't graduate on time; rather, it just means that subsequent semesters will have to carry a very intense credit load for 3L.
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Re: Exit from NYC M&A to Investment Bank?  
  by: bananasfloat   on: January 20, at 4:59:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
To clarify, are you looking to join the in-house legal department at an i-bank, or are you looking to become a banker? The former is common; the latter is decidedly uncommon and will be much tougher. considering both options, but am more curious about the pros and cons of a move banking (if this is even possible). Just looking for insight from those who have considered, tried, succeeded, failed, ...
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Re: Exit from NYC M&A to Investment Bank?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 4:35:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
To clarify, are you looking to join the in-house legal department at an i-bank, or are you looking to become a banker? The former is common; the latter is decidedly uncommon and will be much tougher.
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Exit from NYC M&A to Investment Bank?  
  by: bananasfloat   on: January 20, at 4:21:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anyone with any experience or insight on exiting from the corp group at a Latham/K&E/Weil to an Investment bank? Does this happen often? What are the pros and cons of such a move?
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Re: SECOND DEPARTMENT ADMISSION CHARACTER AND FITNESS  
  by: m27   on: January 20, at 4:06:40 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

123anitsirhC wrote:For the NY State Bar Application, do the Law-Related Employment Affirmations & the Affirmations of Good Moral Character need to be notarized??

Not anymore. The old ones had to, but the most recent version of the employment affirmation and moral character affirmation do not have to be notarized. However they do accept both.
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Re: GT Miami?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 3:38:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
Is it true that senior associate all-in comp caps at about 250? Are there significant exceptions?
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 3:34:16 pm   in: Transfers
I mean, personally I agree with you (and have done long distance a number of times for the reasons you give), but I’m not going to tell someone how to handle their relationship.

(I also already agreed they can’t count on getting the same grades next semester.)
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 3:15:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm really confused about your current credit load and the requirements you need to hit. Are you really not going to graduate next year if you don't take a 3-credit course over the summer?
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: Wild Card   on: January 20, at 2:59:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
It is. [sexist content redacted]
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: BrainsyK   on: January 20, at 2:46:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
As a summer, you're paid $730/day. Two days would make it $1,500. Why would you forfeit that to pay your school extra money to get a few credits that you would get anyway during the course of a regular semester, where the cost would be incorporated into your tuition?
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 2:42:33 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think that the Yale reasoning also applies to Stanford, though Stanford vs. full ride at CCN seems to come up a lot less often on these fora for some reason. I suspect it’s regional differences to some extent - for people who are from California/want to stay in California, Yale/Harvard/CCN don’t offer quite the same alternative as they do for someone already east coast-based. (Obviously you cou...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 2:31:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does your firm 100% offer historically? If yes, you can risk asking about having these two weekends off without automatically losing an offer, but it is still a risk that could be combined with other problems should they occur (not saying you'll have any other problems, but just saying that if you had other problems such as personality conflicts, really bad work product, or drunkenly jumping off o...
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Re: Alternative MBE Study Options?  
  by: Law&coffee   on: January 20, at 2:31:52 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I personally used Critical Pass and Strategies & Tactics. Critical Pass is very good - it's like the Convisor in flash card form (referral link for $$ off - https://criticalpass.refr.cc/7LQ8X4Z ). I would use it in conjunction with practice MBE questions from Barbri. Strategies & Tactics has good tips as well as practice questions. I have also heard raving reviews about AdaptiBar.
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: bob311   on: January 20, at 2:31:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks for your advice. Just to play Devil's Advocate: I believe SAs who split-summers at two firms only spend like 8 weeks at each firm. I'd be spending the full 10 weeks at my firm, minus two Fridays. Is it unreasonable to assume that if split summers can spend only 8 weeks at the firm without negative consequences, someone like me can spend the full 10 weeks with just two days off, without neg...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: anonymous2898   on: January 20, at 2:23:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks for your advice. Just to play Devil's Advocate: I believe SAs who split-summers at two firms only spend like 8 weeks at each firm. I'd be spending the full 10 weeks at my firm, minus two Fridays. Is it unreasonable to assume that if split summers can spend only 8 weeks at the firm without negative consequences, someone like me can spend the full 10 weeks with just two days off, without nega...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 2:20:34 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Not everyone who gets into YHS necessarily gets big merit scholarships from CCN. I got a little bit of money from NYU but nothing from Columbia or Chicago. Also some people do get need-based aid from YHS -- it especially helps if you're an older applicant because they don't expect your parents to contribute. I do agree though with the people pointing out that, for most students, the ultimate outc...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: HamlinMcgill   on: January 20, at 2:11:37 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Not everyone who gets into YHS necessarily gets big merit scholarships from CCN. I got a little bit of money from NYU but nothing from Columbia or Chicago. Also some people do get need-based aid from YHS -- it especially helps if you're an older applicant because they don't expect your parents to contribute. I do agree though with the people pointing out that, for most students, the ultimate outco...
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 2:03:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
Looking for something near downtown Houston late may through late July. I feel like air bnbs inside the loop are kind of lacking and/or really overpriced so if anyone would want to split a 2 bedroom Airbnb, could also be interested in that. I'm looking for something like this too! I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, so I'd be willing to split a 2 bedroom if the price is right. Feel ...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:55:37 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Does anyone see a differentiation here with Yale because the loan repayment program there beasically covers everything - including unemployment? Plus I feel, without evidence necessarily, that Yale grads go into other careers and don’t just funnel into biglaw like many Harvard grads. Thoughts? I think that's on the money. Yale is unique enough - and the gap between Yale and CCN etc. big enough - ...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Npret   on: January 20, at 1:46:01 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Does anyone see a differentiation here with Yale because the loan repayment program there beasically covers everything - including unemployment?
Plus I feel, without evidence necessarily, that Yale grads go into other careers and don’t just funnel into biglaw like many Harvard grads.
Thoughts?
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:45:47 pm   in: Transfers
However, it’s also reasonable not to due to your personal life. I guess I wonder what you were intending to do graduating from the t2 without transferring? I'm not sure that's reasonable from an objective standpoint, actually. We're not talking about Chicago vs. a "lower" T13 or even a T20, we're talking about Chicago vs. a T2 law school . I understand it's a serious, committed relation...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 1:19:40 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think there is also a fundamental misunderstanding of outcomes sometimes, where there are many firms/outcomes that are only attainable from HYS, and so it falls into a "gamble on yourself" sort of confirmation bias. It's pretty widely understood that certain outcomes may be easier/more attainable at HYS over other schools, such as finding your way to a SCOTUS/feeder clerkship, ACLU, D...
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Re: Transferring from a T30  
  by:   on: January 20, at 1:14:25 pm   in: Transfers

QContinuum wrote:Moderator note: I split the above post off into a new thread because the previous topic was made by a 0L asking about whether s/he should retake the LSAT or plan on transferring "up" after 1L. The above post is entirely different, having been made by a 1L who is considering a potential transfer.

It appears as if I was not in the same boat with OP after all...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 1:13:15 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
If you want versatility, law school may be a good option because it gives you the opportunity to move away from your engineering background (such as going into health law), but realize that how you tailor your job search in the law will also commit you to a career path that you can only move away from by leaving it entirely. And health law is a practice area, but you'll definitely want to research...
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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 1:11:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
Curious about lateral options later. I’m at CCN, top 10%, strong strong Florida ties. Got no Miami offers from OCI. Now I’m going to a NYC V5. Assuming I want Miami in a few years, is it still as hard? I work at one of the firms in Miami. Generally speaking, it’ll be harder (and probably not advisable) to lateral to one of the smaller market-paying firms. As mentioned throughout this thread and o...
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Re: Bio grad splitter applying to law school in 2019, need advice. 178 LSAT, 3.51 GPA  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:10:59 pm   in: What are my chances?
You're a strong applicant across the T13, with the exception of Yale and Stanford. Harvard is iffy, and Berkeley may not happen (for some reason they strongly favor GPA over LSAT). As for your school list: what kind of work do you want to do in PA? You absolutely shouldn't be applying anywhere ED, but the job opportunities available from Temple/Villanova are radically different from the job oppor...
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Re: SECOND DEPARTMENT ADMISSION CHARACTER AND FITNESS  
  by:   on: January 20, at 1:08:59 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For the NY State Bar Application, do the Law-Related Employment Affirmations & the Affirmations of Good Moral Character need to be notarized??
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:08:09 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
It sounds like based on your comments it might only be advisable to make the switch if I'm pretty set on patent law? In terms of stability I feel like that would be the best way to make law school worth it. Pending on how I feel about O&G of course. Thanks again! No, you should make the switch if and only if you feel a burning desire to practice law. You're right about the "versatility&q...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:03:09 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think there is also a fundamental misunderstanding of outcomes sometimes, where there are many firms/outcomes that are only attainable from HYS, and so it falls into a "gamble on yourself" sort of confirmation bias. It's pretty widely understood that certain outcomes may be easier/more attainable at HYS over other schools, such as finding your way to a SCOTUS/feeder clerkship, ACLU, D...
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Re: Bio grad splitter applying to law school in 2019, need advice. 178 LSAT, 3.51 GPA  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 1:01:08 pm   in: What are my chances?
You're a strong applicant across the T13, with the exception of Yale and Stanford. Harvard is iffy, and Berkeley may not happen (for some reason they strongly favor GPA over LSAT). As for your school list: what kind of work do you want to do in PA? You absolutely shouldn't be applying anywhere ED, but the job opportunities available from Temple/Villanova are radically different from the job opport...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: Nicobella   on: January 20, at 1:00:54 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Thanks everyone! I'm starting my job in July, taking the LSAT in June, so I'll see how it goes before applying in October or so. I plan to work at least one year minimum, but probably not more than 2 or 3 if I make the transition. When I speak to versatility, I just mean more broad options for different industries. I concentrated in biomolecular sciences with my degree, so it would be nice to get ...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 12:54:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
You can do it, but why risk it for a few credits. Making up the time in the evenings misses the point. Your job as a summer is to consistently impress, not to do work that I expect to give to a client. Any time you're not present misses a chance to be top of mind. Will you lose an offer? Probably not. But when I'm submitting my evaluation of you, it may be qualified- particularly if I host an even...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 12:52:47 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think there is also a fundamental misunderstanding of outcomes sometimes, where there are many firms/outcomes that are only attainable from HYS, and so it falls into a "gamble on yourself" sort of confirmation bias. It's pretty widely understood that certain outcomes may be easier/more attainable at HYS over other schools, such as finding your way to a SCOTUS/feeder clerkship, ACLU, DO...
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Re: Choosing a school for patent law with environmental focus  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 12:51:27 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What QContinuum said is absolutely true, but I would hesitate to say your entire practice could focus on environmentally friendly biotech, since more than likely you're working at a firm as a patent attorney, and when you begin as an associate, you have little control over the types of work you take on, but more realistically you'll be tasked with drafting patent applications based on current cli...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 12:44:33 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I have friends at Harvard who turned down big scholarships at other schools like Chicago and Columbia. What they had done really only sank in once they started seeing the student loans pile up in their accounts. You don’t know how that feels until you’re in that situation. I’m only here because of military welfare benefits. This is why we keep preaching against debt. It’s so easy to borrow and fo...
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Re: Choosing a school for patent law with environmental focus  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 12:40:33 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What QContinuum said is absolutely true, but I would hesitate to say your entire practice could focus on environmentally friendly biotech, since more than likely you're working at a firm as a patent attorney, and when you begin as an associate, you have little control over the types of work you take on, but more realistically you'll be tasked with drafting patent applications based on current clie...
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Re: Choosing a school for patent law with environmental focus  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 12:31:35 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Absolutely there is a way. It all comes down to your undergraduate GPA and your LSAT score. With a high enough GPA and LSAT (generally above a school's 75th percentiles for both numbers), you can get a full-tuition scholarship.
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by:   on: January 20, at 12:24:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Looking for something near downtown Houston late may through late July. I feel like air bnbs inside the loop are kind of lacking and/or really overpriced so if anyone would want to split a 2 bedroom Airbnb, could also be interested in that. I'm looking for something like this too! I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, so I'd be willing to split a 2 bedroom if the price is right. Feel ...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: maureenwct   on: January 20, at 12:17:03 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I am sitting the February attorneys exam, and am winding my way thru essay after essay after essay. Question: I know I read somewhere that there are predictions made each year for what subjects will show up? Not that I will rely on such, but I would be curious as to any ideas. Question: In order to pass the attorney's test, the score one needs per essay is 65. Is that correct? Or is the ave...
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Re: NYU c/o 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: mruskin   on: January 20, at 12:08:27 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
I am. I applied 19 December, went under review 21 December, & the date changed 15 January.

choypablo wrote:Anyone else waiting on RD? Is NYU still doing the UR date changes thing?

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Should I follow up?  
  by: Anonesq   on: January 20, at 11:45:10 am   in: Legal Employment
I’ll try to keep this short- I interviewed with a mid-sized firm in my market with around 80-100 attorneys. I met with a senior partner of the firm about a month ago. I followed up 2 weeks ago and he said he was impressed with me and will try to find a place for me. But he also needed approval from the other partners. There is another partner in the firm who has been advocating for me a lot. She h...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Npret   on: January 20, at 11:42:57 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I have friends at Harvard who turned down big scholarships at other schools like Chicago and Columbia. What they had done really only sank in once they started seeing the student loans pile up in their accounts. You don’t know how that feels until you’re in that situation. I’m only here because of military welfare benefits. This is why we keep preaching against debt. It’s so easy to borrow and fo...
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Re: Military Veteran Applications C/O 2022  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 11:42:18 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Navy Vet, heard yays back from Baylor ($) and Drexel ($$$). Waitlist for GW. Still waiting on the rest...

Anyone trying to use voc rehab to help pay for school? I've been told that they won't pay for law because of the poor job prospects (at least in San Diego, which is not where I plan on staying).
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: Npret   on: January 20, at 11:39:30 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I’m not sure anyone here is qualified to speak to CS salaries or life style.
My only reference is someone who works for Apple in Pittsburgh and just bought a Tesla along with owning a huge house, kid with nanny etc. I know he’s making more than biglaw and his hours aren’t crazy.
I think OP needs to research this career elsewhere.
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Re: Baylor - c/o 2022  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 11:37:07 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Submitted app mid Dec, heard back a week later. 3.4/160, accepted with $$
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Re: THEMIS DISCUSSION - FEBRUARY 2019  
  by: ubebarstudying   on: January 20, at 11:23:34 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
How is everyone doing on the graded essays? Is the goal all 4s to pass or can we pass with a mix of 3s and 4s? If you have taken the course before, is the grading pretty accurate? I got 4s on Contracts and Property. The property questions on that essay were very time consuming and I didn't hit submit until there were 2 seconds left. If you look through the threads on this forum, you'll see many p...
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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 11:14:26 am   in: Legal Employment
Curious about lateral options later. I’m at CCN, top 10%, strong strong Florida ties. Got no Miami offers from OCI. Now I’m going to a NYC V5. Assuming I want Miami in a few years, is it still as hard?
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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 10:28:26 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Anyone know if Jones is still looking at applications for 2020?
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: sev   on: January 20, at 10:10:30 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
I go to a t14, think MVP. (...) My school is curved in the 3.2-3.4 range. (...) My ideal market is Texas. (...) I have four years of really good work experience in the public interest sector. (...)Personally, I did not think I struggled as much as others do their first semester. You'll be fine. Just talk to people in the Texas market--cold email some alumni or use whatever contacts you have to ge...
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Re: Reality check, please!  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 9:39:27 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum

cavalier1138 wrote:But it might make more sense to narrow down some organizations you want to work with and verify that they have taken on attorneys from the schools you're targeting. Then start interning with them while you're in school.

That's really good advice, thank you. I'll be sure to do that, it'll definitely help me narrow down my list. Thanks!
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Re: Reality check, please!  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 8:47:07 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What area of PI do you want to work in? And where do you want to work? Your school list is all over the place. I know it is... ideally I'd like to work in either PA or OH. I applied to a UC because I have CA residency but I'd rather not stay in state. Really interested in working with low income individuals, likely at a nonprofit agency. Domestic violence, at-risk youth, that type of stuff. I see...
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Re: New York July 2018 Bar Exam Hangout Thread  
  by:   on: January 20, at 8:41:10 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am planning on buying Studicata's essays attack outlines. Can anyone tell me how it helped them in the MEE section of the New York bar?
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Dcc617   on: January 20, at 8:39:31 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I have friends at Harvard who turned down big scholarships at other schools like Chicago and Columbia. What they had done really only sank in once they started seeing the student loans pile up in their accounts. You don’t know how that feels until you’re in that situation. I’m only here because of military welfare benefits.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 8:09:35 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Point is: It depends on the person and it isn't as clear as "take the $$$ and run" the boards make it seem out of be. Economically, if it's between sticker at YSH and a full-ride at CCN, the choice is absolutely as clear as TLS makes it out to be. But of course, as pointed out earlier ITT, there are folks who are wealthy and don't care that much about the tuition. There are folks who ar...
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Re: Feb. 2019 DC Bar Exam Study Group  
  by: MariAlex   on: January 20, at 8:08:55 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
We haven’t met yet. People interested RE DC bar exam could email me at dcbarexamfeb2019 (at) gmail.com and we can try to sort out a time and place?

Worried that the shutdown will prevent dc from even offering the exam in feb 2019...
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 8:07:24 am   in: Transfers
I'd recommend a transfer, but please be aware that most T13 students will never become federal judges. It's honestly not something you can really "aim" for, because one of the main ways you get the job is by knowing someone involved in the nomination process (or getting friendly with lobbying groups who submit names for these things). Even then, you're talking about something that only ...
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Re: Reality check, please!  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 7:22:29 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What area of PI do you want to work in? And where do you want to work? Your school list is all over the place. I know it is... ideally I'd like to work in either PA or OH. I applied to a UC because I have CA residency but I'd rather not stay in state. Really interested in working with low income individuals, likely at a nonprofit agency. Domestic violence, at-risk youth, that type of stuff. I see...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=299602

Drexel's Rising Advocate Scholars Scholarship  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 7:17:54 am   in: Financial Aid
Anyone heard of Drexel's Rising Advocate Scholars Scholarship? I can't find a thing on their website or on google... I only know about it because I was awarded the scholarship (it's full tuition, in case that helps). Would love to know some more info. Thanks!
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Re: Stanford c/o 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: Billyboy   on: January 20, at 7:14:58 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

Dalanne89 wrote:
Billyboy wrote:LETS GOOOO. In via email today!

Congratulations! When did you apply?

Thanks! I went complete mid-October. Quite early in the cycle.
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Re: Reality check, please!  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 7:12:06 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What area of PI do you want to work in? And where do you want to work? Your school list is all over the place.
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Reality check, please!  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 7:04:48 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Currently in the process of hearing back from law schools (okay, I've only heard back from 3 but it's a start) and I think I could use a reality check. Pertinent info: 3.44 UGPA, 160 LSAT (only took it once), naval officer vet. Heard back from: Drexel (full tuition scholarship), Baylor (%50 scholarship), and GW (waitlisted). Waiting for results from: Cincinnati, Penn State Dickinson, Temple, Georg...
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 6:53:16 am   in: Transfers
I'd recommend a transfer, but please be aware that most T13 students will never become federal judges. It's honestly not something you can really "aim" for, because one of the main ways you get the job is by knowing someone involved in the nomination process (or getting friendly with lobbying groups who submit names for these things). Even then, you're talking about something that only h...
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Re: The New Clerkship Plan  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 6:48:07 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I know some judges are off plan on the 5th, 6th, and 10th circuits. Seems to vary more by ideology than circuit.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 6:46:15 am   in: Choosing a Law School
If you get in, you’ll have the chance to ask the top law students in the country why so many choose to do so, rather than online commentators who likely didn’t have that choice I love the Harvard students who inevitably flock to these threads decrying all the dumb CCN students who took a full ride over sticker at their very, very preftigious inftitution. I wonder how it feels when you end up gett...
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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: RedPurpleBlue   on: January 20, at 3:42:22 am   in: Legal Employment
What are entry-level salaries like for academic law librarians? How is the work-life balance? From what I've heard and seen, work-life balance seems to be great. It's for the most part a 9-5 type of a job at the non-administrative levels. For salaries, here is the salary survey from 2013 . I'm too lazy to find a pdf of the 2017 one, but you can go to page 61/124 of the PDF (labeled S-3 in the doc...
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Choosing a school for patent law with environmental focus  
  by:   on: January 20, at 3:04:45 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hi everyone, Thanks for reading my post! Over the past seven years, I've been enjoying life as an entomologist. Unfortunately, I am developing allergies to several types of insects. Since these symptoms can get pretty severe, I am afraid I may need to change my career focus. It happens to be the case that my university wants to patent some of my work. This process seems really interesting to me, s...
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Re: Timing for Foreign Eligibility Equation New York Bar Exam  
  by: Lancair   on: January 20, at 1:05:41 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi guys I registered for the FEB 2019 NY exam and I am busy preparing. I am a foreign trained attorney from a common law jurisdiction, my previous classmates who studied the same degree have been approved to write the exam without an LLM. I think I will receive the same approval. My issue pertains to timing, as Feb is the best time for me to write this exam. July is crazy at work and I know I won...
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Re: Bar Application C&F Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 12:56:55 am   in: Legal Employment
I can't imagine this would bar your admission. Your proposed plan of attack is spot on. Contact your law school, and I'm sure they'll be happy to indicate that you would still have been offered admission if you had accurately stated the length of your tutoring gig. That should be sufficient for bar C&F. Thanks, that's good to hear. One good thing is that that in some of my other law school ap...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 12:54:55 am   in: Legal Employment
quick question on Army JAG selects. The offer letter said 2020 January class was the earliest class available. Would that mean for DCC to start in 2020 January? or UVA class? I was hoping it to be October 2019.. at the latest. wondering the same thing... Rumor has it that the May 2019 class and the October 2019 class have been consolidated into an August 2019 class. Unless your state expeditiousl...
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Re: Winston (CHI) v Goodwin (BOS)  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: January 19, at 11:12:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
Chicago vs Boston should be as much of a factor as comparing the firms.
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Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: anonymous2898   on: January 19, at 10:54:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hello, I have a summer associate position coming up this summer (in NYC), but I was hoping to take a summer class at my home school so that I can knock out a few credits. (I took a break during law school so I need to catch up on a few credits). Anyway, my home school is offering a summer class that meets on two weekends, Friday-Sunday, for 3 credits. Obviously, this means I would have to take off...
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Bio grad splitter applying to law school in 2019, need advice. 178 LSAT, 3.51 GPA  
  by: Shadow9314   on: January 19, at 10:39:34 pm   in: What are my chances?
Hey everyone, I graduated in 2016 with a degree in biochemistry from Temple U in Philadelphia. I was originally planning to go into the healthcare but changed my mind last year and decided to take the LSAT. I got a 178 on the Nov LSAT (1st try)which was awesome but I’m concerned about my low gpa (3.51 on LSDAS). I don’t really have anything to write a gpa addendum on. I was taking high level bio a...
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Re: Bar Application C&F Question  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 10:18:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
I can't imagine this would bar your admission. Your proposed plan of attack is spot on. Contact your law school, and I'm sure they'll be happy to indicate that you would still have been offered admission if you had accurately stated the length of your tutoring gig. That should be sufficient for bar C&F.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 10:12:51 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Economically, if it's between sticker at YSH and a full-ride at CCN, the choice is absolutely as clear as TLS makes it out to be. But of course, as pointed out earlier ITT, there are folks who are wealthy and don't care that much about the tuition. There are folks who are committed to using PSLF and don't care that much about the tuition (I'm not sure that reasoning is warranted - PSLF severely l...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Bmzl   on: January 19, at 9:51:17 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Point is: It depends on the person and it isn't as clear as "take the $$$ and run" the boards make it seem out of be. Economically, if it's between sticker at YSH and a full-ride at CCN, the choice is absolutely as clear as TLS makes it out to be. But of course, as pointed out earlier ITT, there are folks who are wealthy and don't care that much about the tuition. There are folks who ar...
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Re: Winston (CHI) v Goodwin (BOS)  
  by: TUwave   on: January 19, at 9:47:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
What type of corporate work are you doing/looking to do?
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Bar Application C&F Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 9:32:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hey all, I'm freaking out a little bit - just realized I might have a potential C&F issue in my bar application. On reviewing my law school applications, I realized I accidentally misstated the dates of one of my employments such that it appeared I worked there for a year longer than I did. I was applying straight through from undergrad, so the position wasn't anything special - it was a tutor...
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Texas Bar Feb 2019  
  by:   on: January 19, at 9:26:31 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi Y'all, I am a IL license attorney and preparing Texas Feb Bar Exam. This group is for Texas Feb 2019 bar exam takers to discuss exam tips and share studying material. Please download the WhatsApp app and text me at 312-361-7962 if you'd like to join!
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Re: Supplements for Admin and Evidence?  
  by: criminaltheory   on: January 19, at 9:16:18 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
For admin law:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=282041&p=10168044#p10168044

For evidence, "understanding evidence" got me an A
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: Npret   on: January 19, at 9:13:00 pm   in: Transfers
You want to be a federal judge but you went to a T2 school?
You need to transfer.
Most likely you will break up, but maybe not. Plenty of people manage to stay together but it doesn’t sound like you want a career where his dream job is located.
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 8:58:22 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Your starting BigLaw salary will be more than your ending software engineering salary unless you get a "unicorn" software outcome. In fact, it is possible that the same would be true of your in-house counsel salary. Also, while you didn't ask, I'd advise that a Master's in CS is not worth the cost and the lost year of potential work experience. The Master's will get you very few jobs th...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 8:52:45 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Point is: It depends on the person and it isn't as clear as "take the $$$ and run" the boards make it seem out of be. Economically, if it's between sticker at YSH and a full-ride at CCN, the choice is absolutely as clear as TLS makes it out to be. But of course, as pointed out earlier ITT, there are folks who are wealthy and don't care that much about the tuition. There are folks who ar...
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Re: Transferring from a T30  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 8:46:26 pm   in: Transfers
Moderator note: I split the above post off into a new thread because the previous topic was made by a 0L asking about whether s/he should retake the LSAT or plan on transferring "up" after 1L. The above post is entirely different, having been made by a 1L who is considering a potential transfer.
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 8:40:20 pm   in: Transfers
My view is that on the one hand, there is a substantial risk that your second-semester grades will decline. On the other hand, the difference in prestige/placement power between Harvard and Chicago is very slight. So IMO, it makes the most sense to ED Chicago on the strength of your first-semester grades, which - at a 3.98 - are about as perfect as law school grades can get. I am by no means a rel...
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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: Bodhicaryavatara   on: January 19, at 7:55:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
What are entry-level salaries like for academic law librarians? How is the work-life balance?
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: UBETutoring   on: January 19, at 7:24:18 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Voluntarily leaving and being pushed out are not always mutually exclusive. Work is much more draining when you are desperate for hours than when you are not.
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Santa Clara Law, Class of 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: Ted10   on: January 19, at 6:35:51 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Did not see a topic for this, so wanted to create one. Any applicants out there?
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Re: UVA C/O 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: mruskin   on: January 19, at 5:57:28 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Anyone else been under review since early December & not heard anything back? My application was marked complete 19 November, and has been under review since 11 December.
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Re: Berkeley c/o 2022  
  by: mruskin   on: January 19, at 5:34:18 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Hoping to hear back soon; I applied 9 November 2018 and have been under review since 3 December 2018.
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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction  
  by: Shredzeppelin240   on: January 19, at 5:18:38 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I just finished another PT around five minutes ago (DEC 2000). This time I got a 161. I got -6 on LG which is a huge improvement for me. I spent nearly all week working through 1993-1995 logic game sections. Still not where I want to me but I'm liking the trajectory. This test was slightly frustrating.. I've been taking them all in the library and during my reading comp section a man next to me fe...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 5:02:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
Above the law seemed to say they would factor into year end bonuses. We'll see if that's true.
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Re: Should I Plan on Tax LLM for IRS  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 19, at 4:47:53 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I was at the IRS my 1L Summer. IIRC honors hiring is mostly focused on grades. I think they had something like a 3.5 cutoff/top 10% cutoff for hiring out of law school, whichever is lower. I don't think a single attorney in my field office had an LLM I also remember that they don't hire directly int LB&I, but I obviously defer to the guy who actually works there full time.
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Re: AA Male Splitter T-20 Chances  
  by:   on: January 19, at 4:44:08 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Had a friend with similar stats (3.01, 164) and he swung Michigan with a half scholarship. Got into UVA too. HLS rejected and Columbia waitlisted. Although, he did have a strong UG soft, though middle of the road post grad softs. Let us know how you do!
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Re: Chance me 3.57 GPA & 170 LSAT  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 19, at 3:50:19 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Now, I owe $130,000 in student loans and am stuck in the legal field that I despise. All lawyers do is scheme against each other and use a lot of profanity. Don't make my mistake. Stay in engineering. Dude, we get it. You went to a bad school, failed the bar a few times, and now you do doc review. I'm too lazy to see if you sought application advice here before getting yourself in this mess, but ...
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: PanjandrumOfReason   on: January 19, at 3:11:46 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Your starting BigLaw salary will be more than your ending software engineering salary unless you get a "unicorn" software outcome. In fact, it is possible that the same would be true of your in-house counsel salary. Also, while you didn't ask, I'd advise that a Master's in CS is not worth the cost and the lost year of potential work experience. The Master's will get you very few jobs tha...
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Timing for Foreign Eligibility Equation New York Bar Exam  
  by:   on: January 19, at 3:05:51 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi guys I registered for the FEB 2019 NY exam and I am busy preparing. I am a foreign trained attorney from a common law jurisdiction, my previous classmates who studied the same degree have been approved to write the exam without an LLM. I think I will receive the same approval. My issue pertains to timing, as Feb is the best time for me to write this exam. July is crazy at work and I know I won'...
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Any shot at Chicago ED?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 3:01:06 pm   in: Transfers
I'm top 15% at a T20, missed the top 10% GPA cutoff by 0.01. Any chance at UChicago ED or should I just wait, try to do even better this semester, and apply via regular decision in May/June? Only schools where it would be worth it for me to transfer are probably T6. Thanks!
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Re: Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: Dcc617   on: January 19, at 3:00:36 pm   in: Transfers
Good grades at a mid-T14 are good enough to get a federal clerkship and biglaw. I'd only think of transferring if you'd be paying less at HYS. Otherwise the increased cost isn't worth whatever marginal gain in outcomes you'd get.
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: SolemnMan   on: January 19, at 2:58:18 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
My current understanding is that most Biglaw associates self-select out within 2-3 / 5 years because the job sucks. But if I truly want to stay on as a Biglaw associate for 8+ years (and maybe longer as counsel), can I do that even if I don't want to make partner? I.e. is there a certain level of work quality / work ethic that isn't quite enough for partner but would allow me to reasonably latch ...
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: hlsperson1111   on: January 19, at 2:17:13 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I have seen associates stay on 10-11 years at my firm. You can theoretically do it if you do good enough work and can stay busy enough to justify the salary. And if you are willing to make a bunch of lateral moves and do passable-good work, you can stay in biglaw as an associate for a long time. But there are two important things to note: (1) If you get to year 8+, the thing that is separating you...
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Transferring from a T30  
  by:   on: January 19, at 2:04:38 pm   in: Transfers
I'm in this boat with you OP.

3.8 GPA, Top 10% (literally one spot outside of Top 5%) at a T30 school. Dead set on transferring to the T14. Kinda figure I'll be in at GULC ED and then, depending on Spring grades, will take my shot at CCN. Anyone think HLS is conceivable? It's such a wild thought to me I don't even know how to process it.
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Re: The New Clerkship Plan  
  by: flyoverlawclerk47   on: January 19, at 2:04:10 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
The magistrate judge I clerked for and the district judge I currently clerk for have always hired applicants with at least two years of law school grades because they typically interview and hire one year before the scheduled clerkship. Both judges are located in non-major cities in the 4th Circuit.
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Re: DC Bar Exam and the shutdown?  
  by: bob311   on: January 19, at 1:46:24 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
As a note, moving to MD won't help yet, as MD is not a UBE state until July 2019. Feb in Maryland is still the state exam.
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Re: AA MALE 3.1/163  
  by:   on: January 19, at 1:30:20 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Also I hope you ended up applying to the t14. As a URM, you are competitive at most schools. I have marginally better stats and have been very fortunate this cycle. But if you're set on BC or BU I think you could go for close to free What are your stats, if you don't mind me asking? Like you said, TLS seems to be pretty dead now when it comes to AA threads and I'd really like to see some info to ...
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Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by:   on: January 19, at 1:23:11 pm   in: Transfers
Hi all, I am very torn about this decision. Academic/Professional Background: I am currently at a mid-T2 school as a 1L in the Northeast. I only have my first semester grades. I got a 4.09 GPA my first semester and have a cumulative GPA of 3.98 (I took a summer course). I got two CALIs this past semester and although my school doesn't rank, I think I am probably top 3, at least in my class. In ter...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 19, at 12:47:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
Did Cooley ever make people whole for not paying summer bonus?
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Re: The New Clerkship Plan  
  by: Fireworks2016   on: January 19, at 12:36:41 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
For the current clerks out there, are your judges following the new plan--i.e. not considering current students until after their 2L year? I'd be particularly interested to know based on level of the court (district v. COA) and area of the country the extent to which it's being filed. Neither my district (2018-2019) or circuit judge (2019-2020) have any intention on following the plan. Both judge...
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Re: Chance me 3.57 GPA & 170 LSAT  
  by: L_William_W   on: January 19, at 12:34:04 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
The legal field is far from diverse. However, there are A LOT more black female attorneys than black female engineers. I was an engineering major, but switched majors because I had problems with math. To this day, I regret not grinding it out. Now, I owe $130,000 in student loans and am stuck in the legal field that I despise. All lawyers do is scheme against each other and use a lot of profanity....
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: amandas12   on: January 19, at 12:00:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
Looking to sublet in Palo Alto from mid-May to end of June. Please PM me if there's anything available. Thanks!
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The New Clerkship Plan  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 10:58:01 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
For the current clerks out there, are your judges following the new plan--i.e. not considering current students until after their 2L year?

I'd be particularly interested to know based on level of the court (district v. COA) and area of the country the extent to which it's being filed.
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Re: Mentioning Mental Illness in a PS  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 19, at 10:51:16 am   in: Law School Personal Statements
Late reply but figured I'd add in case anyone else is perusing these threads on Saturday nights while waiting for results to come in :) I wrote about mental illness in my statement, specifically of the aftereffects of being raped, how it impacted my life, and how I now want to be a legal advocate for those who are facing similar hardships. It's my "why law" answer and it's part of who I ...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by:   on: January 19, at 10:42:07 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Gotta take a survey of 900 of the highest stat/impressive softs applicants that decide to do that exact thing every single year.

Point is: It depends on the person and it isn't as clear as "take the $$$ and run" the boards make it seem out of be.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: miskellyjohnson   on: January 19, at 10:15:06 am   in: Choosing a Law School
"S" should probably be considered separately, given its geography and its tie ins with Silicon Valley. If California, or silicon valley, is what you are interested in, then S certainly offers advantages over Duke or Michigan or even CCN. As far as YH, with the way the aid is given, they consider cost of living. Even if you get "full tuition" at Columbia, you are still talking a...
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Re: DC Bar Exam and the shutdown?  
  by: Npret   on: January 19, at 9:31:31 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
This is an urgent issue that needs to be addressed. There are ongoing discussions with NCBE (National Conference of Board Examiners who creates the exam) and the various UBE states about this issue to possibly accommodate test-takers in DC who will be impacted. Unfortunately, NCBE is not responding quick enough or providing any helpful guidance. The president of NCBE is Judith Gundersen (jgunders...
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Re: Columbia law: Biglaw placement in Boston?  
  by: Npret   on: January 19, at 9:26:21 am   in: Choosing a Law School
You don’t hear much about Boston because it’s a smaller, secondary market.
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Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: SusanSays   on: January 19, at 9:13:57 am   in: Transfers
If you maintain your performance in second semester, yes, I think transferring up to a T6 is very possible. Every year there are several GULC students who make the move. That said, I agree with your suspicion that transferring may not make too much sense for you, given your scholarship. A half-ride is a hefty amount of $ to lose (transfers don't get scholarships). You'll have your pick of BigLaw ...
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Re: Hiring - Shutdown Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 8:50:42 am   in: Legal Employment
I had an interview with a federal agency a few days before the shutdown began. A few days after Christmas, one of the people I interviewed with called me to tell me that they wanted to hire me, but he needed the HR people to come back before he did so. He expected the government to open by New Year's and told me to call him if I didn't hear from him the next week. I still hadn't heard from him, s...
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: Npret   on: January 19, at 8:40:21 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
My current understanding is that most Biglaw associates self-select out within 2-3 / 5 years because the job sucks. But if I truly want to stay on as a Biglaw associate for 8+ years (and maybe longer as counsel), can I do that even if I don't want to make partner? I.e. is there a certain level of work quality / work ethic that isn't quite enough for partner but would allow me to reasonably latch ...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: eternityblues   on: January 19, at 8:33:00 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
FL MC is 3 of the 4: civil/criminal procedure, Wills, corporations/partnerships, and FL Evidence. Civil/criminal procedure is the only one guaranteed each administration.

I took J18. We had Procedure, Evidence, and Corps/partnerships
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Re: Supplements for Admin and Evidence?  
  by: Lolstudent   on: January 19, at 7:10:49 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
I really like the evidence Examples and explanations.
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 19, at 7:09:24 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
From what I've seen, there are firms that keep senior associates on with no intention of making them partners. So it's technically possible. But assuming that you won't get forced out before year 8 is a big assumption. A lot of associates self-select out. A lot are forced out, especially when you get to the point that your reviews are going to be focused on whether you're partner material. The oth...
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Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: VirginiaFan   on: January 19, at 6:42:56 am   in: Transfers
It won't let me reply anonymously, so OP please PM me. I have some anecdata that may help.
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Re: DC Bar Exam and the shutdown?  
  by:   on: January 19, at 6:16:27 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm fortunate to be a New Jersey resident. I'm preparing the NJ application over the weekend and waiting for this "special announcement" by the WH tomorrow. Even if the shutdown ends, will there be enough time to process applications? The NJ deadline is Wednesday at 4:30 PM and the fee is $675. Should I pull the trigger and just sign up as an insurance policy? I just can't imagine the DC...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 5:31:41 am   in: Legal Employment
Cooley, because generally the general perception is that they're booming, while WSGR is kind of treading water at best
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Re: slightly below median GPA for H...get it up or just chill  
  by: PanjandrumOfReason   on: January 19, at 2:11:39 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I'm going to take the alternative view. Harvard is #3 but wants to be #1. While a 0.01 difference in GPA seems trivial, if that 0.01 amounts to a difference between being above median and not being above median, it could be a significant selling point. Since the future median is unknown and since your current GPA could be at or just below it, I think it would be worth your while to take the extra ...
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Re: Study Partner/Group?  
  by:   on: January 19, at 1:51:57 am   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello everyone! As you could tell in my name, I'm also new! I am interested in being part of the study group as well so please, message me if you can if you want to make a study group together
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Re: Striking Out on Clerkships -- Any Tips before Giving Up?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 1:49:21 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Didn't read the above responses, but you MUST apply to more judges (I'd say 100). Also consider having professors contact your top choice judges on your behalf.

Since you've graduated, if you have friends who are clerking/have clerked for judges, you can reach out to them to "learn about their clerkship experience" and see if anything flows from those conversations.
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Re: C and F Application help!!  
  by: PanjandrumOfReason   on: January 19, at 1:18:45 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
So what would be considered detainment regarding what they are looking for? Actual detainment. As in, you weren't free to leave because you were being questioned as a person of interest. A stop-and-frisk would qualify. So would interrogation in a police station. Stop overthinking it. They aren't trying to get at anything that wouldn't exist in official records. IMO it's even a bit narrower than t...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 1:16:14 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm a midlevel at one of the top SV firms known for EC/VC work and have plenty of friends at all the local shops, including these. Cooley wins by a mile given your goals. WSGR doesn't do much early stage EC/VC work any more and is much more focused on later-stage representation. I will say that WSGR is probably top dog in the Bay Area for big ticket tech M&A (esp. public deals), but sounds li...
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Re: Department of Labor- OALJ clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 1:10:43 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I interned for a regional office over the summer, so not completely the same situation - but I really enjoyed the work there. The workload is a split of employment law cases under the longshore act and black lung act, federal whistleblower law, and BALCA immigration review decisions. Some of the cases are repetitive, for instance there is an unlimited amount of causation cases it seems. I worked ...
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Re: C and F Application help!!  
  by: PanjandrumOfReason   on: January 19, at 1:08:56 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Interestingly, the question of whether or not an encounter with police qualifies as a "detainment" (and thus attaches Constitutional rights) comes up very frequently in criminal cases. If I recall correctly, the test is whether a reasonable, innocent person would believe they are free to leave. But, in my opinion, what judges think a reasonable, innocent would believe often differs widel...
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Re: Admissions index degree gpa vs cumulative  
  by: nixy   on: January 19, at 12:56:44 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I think the posts in this thread are incorrect. Most schools explicitly use a formula to combine GPA and LSAT into a single numerical value and then rank applicants based on that value , but the schools differ on the individual weights they give to GPA and LSAT. For the schools that do that, they report the specific formula they use to LSAC, and that information can be found in the document OP is...
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Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 12:44:06 am   in: Transfers
If you maintain your performance in second semester, yes, I think transferring up to a T6 is very possible. Every year there are several GULC students who make the move. That said, I agree with your suspicion that transferring may not make too much sense for you, given your scholarship. A half-ride is a hefty amount of $ to lose (transfers don't get scholarships). You'll have your pick of BigLaw f...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 12:33:12 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Some people want the Harvard name. Some people think Harvard will lead to a better outcome than a school like Columbia. To be clear to other readers of this thread, some people do think the above, but those people are wrong. cavalier is right that YSH have the edge over the rest of the T13 for certain "unicorn" careers. But the advantage is really largely confined to YS, not YSH, and th...
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Re: Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 12:28:57 am   in: Transfers
do it again or better second semester, and you'll have a shot at H (Y or S if you can get up significantly higher). I got in there with about the same grades from a lower T14. I don't know how common it is. I also would likely have gotten scholarship money from Harvard because they give scholarships as need-based aid (and I was over 29, so i qualified for the full thing according the previous tra...
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Re: EJW Fellowships 2018-2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 12:28:39 am   in: Legal Employment
I got the status update email today as well.
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Re: Columbia law: Biglaw placement in Boston?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 12:21:48 am   in: Choosing a Law School
You'd be able to get Boston BigLaw from Columbia, no question, esp. with your family ties. The bigger issue is that you probably shouldn't go to law school (any law school) because you're not sold on being a lawyer. You can (and should) defer your admission and try being a software engineer first. If you decide you want to practice law after all, law school will still be there. You won't have lost...
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