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Re: Any other attorneys considering FIRE / early retirement / part time?  
  by: dabigchina   on: December 10, at 11:53:15 pm   in: Legal Employment
How exactly does having a bunch of money stand in the way of "greatness" (whatever that means.)
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Re: Judge as reference for future clerkship  
  by: lavarman84   on: December 10, at 11:12:08 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
You just have to talk to the judge about your situation. There's no way around it. Are you on good terms with your current judge?
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Re: 3rd year Big Law Associate at crossroads. How to make the most money the quickest?  
  by: TigerIsBack   on: December 10, at 10:52:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
Our household is in SF/NYC/LA . I drive a... car . Lol, so you live/work in SF/LA. First, no need to try to smoke out where an anon lives. Second, a surprisingly high number of NY associates have cars. Not folks living in Manhattan, obvs., or right across the river in Brooklyn or JC/Hoboken, but a good number live further out in Jersey, or even Nassau or Westchester, where having a car is pretty ...
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Re: Nov. 2019 MPRE  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 9:18:35 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
LOL, needed an 85, scored an 86. Just responsible enough.
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Re: Any other attorneys considering FIRE / early retirement / part time?  
  by: jdoe12345   on: December 10, at 8:38:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
Will revive this thread, because I have a question for my fellow FIRE seekers. In your journey to financial independence, do you ever feel like you are settling for mediocrity? I'm 29 with approximately $900k net worth (a lot of this is real estate gains and crypto - no investment prowess, just dumb luck). There are plenty of late nights when I'm banging away in front of the computer, just wishing...
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Re: Character and Fitness: Accused Professional Misconduct/What is a suspension  
  by: LTrent2021   on: December 10, at 8:19:39 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
FWIW, a criminal proceeding begins with a prosecutor's decision to file criminal charges. TBF, the Mass misdemeanor thing is weird - someone (including private citizens) applies to file a criminal charge, and the magistrate holds a PC hearing to see if there’s PC. If not, the application isn’t granted and the complaint doesn’t issue/charges aren’t filed. (I had never heard of this but it does see...
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Re: Nov. 2019 MPRE  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 8:14:46 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
PASSED - 109
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: RedGiant   on: December 10, at 7:44:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm probably one of the only people on these boards who has worked at both firms, in the locations noted (but corporate in both instances). I promise you, that if you want to work in ECB in SV after doing tax at WSGR, you will be able to do so. WSGR's culture is certainly not rougher than CS&M's. Exit opportunities in the Valley (and the opportunity to retool to ECB) are legion in the Valley. ...
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 7:37:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
I was offered the Cravath ECB position a couple months ago . . . . Congratulations to you both. Lateral opening? How much experience were they looking for? Person who wrote the long post here. No, it was for a 1st year associate opening. While Cravath will hire laterals in ECB, it generally avoids doing so, as the firm is hostile to lateral hiring more generally. I can't speak to what experience ...
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Judge as reference for future clerkship  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 6:17:48 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I am currently in a clerkship that is subject to renewal for another year, but I have not yet received any indication as to whether I will be extended - the term ends in 3 months. I just interviewed with a judge for another clerkship that is set to begin next year. She (judge 2) is interested in talking to my current judge (judge 1). I asked judge 2 if she would hold off on making a call until I n...
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Re: Big Law - Law Clerk Salary  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 5:43:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think Willkie does not pay its law clerks and first years the same salary but I’m not sure how much that is.
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Re: Nov. 2019 MPRE  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 5:40:56 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Scores are posted!
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Re: 3rd year Big Law Associate at crossroads. How to make the most money the quickest?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 10, at 5:29:05 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you don't commute from Darien, CT to Midtown every day, are you even living?
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Re: Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020 (non-DOJ)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 5:27:19 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:
Ensign Ro wrote:Has anyone that interviewed with CFPB gotten an offer or rejection yet?

What about reference checks? I haven't heard from them; interviewed on the week of 11/11.

I haven't heard of CFPB checking any of my references.
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Re: What is the max compensation cut you would take for non biglaw hours/stress?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 4:56:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
Leaving biglaw after less than a year to go in house at a mid-size media company. Going from $205k to $150k (bonuses included). Too early to say whether I will regret it, I suppose, but I definitely feel good about it right now. Also, at least for the next couple years, could make up the difference by doing part-time tutoring, and I'll still be working fewer (and, more importantly, more predictabl...
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Re: Should I write a DS?  
  by: RoyalPains   on: December 10, at 4:21:50 pm   in: Law School Personal Statements
Yes, but only if you think you can successfully retell your story in a way that is not repetitive. So, basically what others have said.
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 4:19:01 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Just turned down USTP and Civil Div-Comm Lit. Best of luck to alternates Wow, that may have just put me back in the game! Are you able to share what made you turn them down? I accepted an offer with another, non-DOJ honors program that's a bit closer to my interests and long-term career goals. I really liked the people I met in DOJ, but there was another program that made more sense for me person...
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Re: Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020 (non-DOJ)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 3:55:54 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Ensign Ro wrote:Has anyone that interviewed with CFPB gotten an offer or rejection yet?

What about reference checks? I haven't heard from them; interviewed on the week of 11/11.
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 3:52:12 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Just received an offer from OCIJ via email for Orlando (the only court I picked). Good luck to everyone else!
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Re: Awards in High School on Resume?  
  by: nealric   on: December 10, at 3:33:19 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I would only list awards from that time frame that were truly extraordinary (i.e. Olympic gold medalist, national science fair winner, etc.) I sincerely doubt anybody in admissions cares about High School varsity softball.
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 3:07:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
Nothing at all to worry about. I understand that when you are still in law school, you can have a lot of different questions about what it is to work in biglaw, but this clearly isn't something you should worry about. I only drink when I am with friends or people I like to be friends with. I would go to firm events, but just drink water. Never had any issue with that. Once you start working, you w...
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Re: What is the max compensation cut you would take for non biglaw hours/stress?  
  by: kkdk   on: December 10, at 3:04:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
I took about a $70K paycut to go from Big Law to a plaintiffs' side firm, both in a major market. Don't regret it at all. The work is something I actually care about, and there are no billable hour requirements at all. Associate comp is more or less lockstep, and apparently partners can make big law partner money anyways.
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Re: What do regional biglaw/midlaw M&A and corporate practices look like?  
  by: nealric   on: December 10, at 2:47:50 pm   in: Legal Employment
I would also add that you should not make the mistake of thinking that VC is better. You're working with entrepreneurs, it's way more hands-on. You're not dealing with Ivy-educated CFOs of large public companies, you're instead sometimes dealing with dickheads straight out of Silicon Valley on HBO. Hours can be brutal because deals are so leanly staffed so a single midlevel does 90% of the work b...
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 2:35:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
I normally don't drink, and when I do, it's very little. I don't drink much because I don't like the taste of alcohol, and the way it makes me feel (I get instant headaches after less than one drink, turn bright red all over my face, chest, and ears i.e. look really drunk, and get really warm). I used to work at a regional office of a V10 where I summered. While at lunch people sometimes ordered a...
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Re: What do regional biglaw/midlaw M&A and corporate practices look like?  
  by: trebekismyhero   on: December 10, at 2:09:05 pm   in: Legal Employment
I would also add that you should not make the mistake of thinking that VC is better. You're working with entrepreneurs, it's way more hands-on. You're not dealing with Ivy-educated CFOs of large public companies, you're instead sometimes dealing with dickheads straight out of Silicon Valley on HBO. Hours can be brutal because deals are so leanly staffed so a single midlevel does 90% of the work b...
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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 1:57:55 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I am so glad I’m not alone! I got the same request for written statement on the 16th due on the 21st and I also check this forum and my email religiously. It’s getting obnoxious lol
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Re: 3rd year Big Law Associate at crossroads. How to make the most money the quickest?  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 10, at 1:20:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
Our household is in SF/NYC/LA . I drive a... car . Lol, so you live/work in SF/LA. First, no need to try to smoke out where an anon lives. Second, a surprisingly high number of NY associates have cars. Not folks living in Manhattan, obvs., or right across the river in Brooklyn or JC/Hoboken, but a good number live further out in Jersey, or even Nassau or Westchester, where having a car is pretty ...
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Re: California Bar Inactive Fees  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 10, at 1:15:35 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I have been inactive in California bar for the past couple years as was practicing out of state. Is there a way not to pay these "inactive" fees every year? Interested as well. What are the consequences of not paying inactive fees? Is dying the only way to stop paying fees to the bar? :roll: Presumably, continued failure to pay fees would eventually lead to one's disbarment. Probably no...
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 1:13:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
i made a similar choice last year—Cravath ECB v general tax elsewhere. I chose the general tax position and so far, I’m happy. I didn’t have a WSGR offer though—and I’ve heard the culture there is a little rough. If you liked the people and know you want to do tax, take the offer. You must be a pretty decent candidate, however, so you can probably land a tax job at another similarly ranked firm t...
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 10, at 1:02:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
But the thing is, both groups are important. The poster who referred to "the man in the street" misses the fact that lawyers' families, friends, colleagues, etc are "the man in the street." So their opinions matter when making life decisions, too. Nothing is ever a silo anymore. I'd like to think that a lawyer's friends and family would judge their loved one on their own merit...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Asilvaesq   on: December 10, at 12:45:57 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I'm seeking some advice from current or former Army JAG. I've applied to two boards now and haven't been offered a slot. I served in the Army for 10 years, E6, and was still in the Reserves when I got my first denial. I thought, perhaps, I would have a stronger application after 5 years of practice experience, but I just got a second denial. I honestly can't understand why I'm getting passed over....
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: logical seasoning   on: December 10, at 12:43:43 pm   in: Legal Employment
I too am a teetotaler. Remember that you are not some black sheep for choosing not to drink. Surveys have shown that around 45% of the world's population are life time abstainers (probably lower in the U.S., but still). When I prosecuted DUIs, almost always half of the jury raised their hands to "Who here doesn't drink?" I say this because in the beginning of my career I felt a sense of ...
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 10, at 12:34:25 pm   in: Legal Employment
I will say that it is super important to be able to drink for professional advancement. If someone who can help you out invites you to have a drink. Just roll with it. It's important to be able/willing to go to bars for professional advancement, but there is no requirement that one must imbibe alcohol. No one will care (or even care to notice) whether you're ordering alcoholic or non-alcoholic dr...
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Re: LEGAL SALARY DATAPOINTS  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 10, at 12:30:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hey, happy to answer any questions. I tried to send you a PM but it appears I am unable to send PMs at this time due to insufficient user activity (on my part). Can you try and send me a pm. Thanks! Regular users can't PM anonymous posters. But, if you want, I can PM your username to Patriot29. Let me know. Yes, please. I would really appreciate it! Sent. I also told Patriot that you wouldn't be ...
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Re: Should I cancel my November score?  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 10, at 12:19:49 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
If there's even a tiny chance of 171 or better, and there is, don't cancel. Not even close to a tough decision here. Thank you! I will wait for the score. When will Nov score be out? Sept. 21 results (the first all-digital administration) were out on Oct. 14, so one week shy of a month. Oct. 28 results were out on Nov. 20, so again a week shy of a month. Nov. 25 results, if they follow the same t...
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Re: LEGAL SALARY DATAPOINTS  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 12:16:18 pm   in: Legal Employment

QContinuum wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Hey,

happy to answer any questions. I tried to send you a PM but it appears I am unable to send PMs at this time due to insufficient user activity (on my part). Can you try and send me a pm. Thanks!
Regular users can't PM anonymous posters. But, if you want, I can PM your username to Patriot29. Let me know.

Yes, please. I would really appreciate it!
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Re: Swapping personal statements  
  by: tpmeade24   on: December 10, at 12:01:57 pm   in: Law School Personal Statements
I know it's late in the cycle, but hoping someone will see this and help me out?

Would anyone be interested in reviewing/critiquing my personal statement?
I'd be more than happy to take a look at yours, if you like!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=42969

Re: Character and Fitness: Accused Professional Misconduct/What is a suspension  
  by: nixy   on: December 10, at 11:39:26 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
FWIW, a criminal proceeding begins with a prosecutor's decision to file criminal charges. TBF, the Mass misdemeanor thing is weird - someone (including private citizens) applies to file a criminal charge, and the magistrate holds a PC hearing to see if there’s PC. If not, the application isn’t granted and the complaint doesn’t issue/charges aren’t filed. (I had never heard of this but it does see...
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Re: LEGAL SALARY DATAPOINTS  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 10, at 11:07:07 am   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Hey,

happy to answer any questions. I tried to send you a PM but it appears I am unable to send PMs at this time due to insufficient user activity (on my part). Can you try and send me a pm. Thanks!
Regular users can't PM anonymous posters. But, if you want, I can PM your username to Patriot29. Let me know.
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: papermateflair   on: December 10, at 10:50:21 am   in: Legal Employment
I don't drink for religious reasons, but I prefer to never bring that up and just say no thanks or otherwise wave it off and hope people don't ask. Not drinking hasn't been an issue for me - sure, there have been a couple of awkward conversations when people start really pressing on why I'm not drinking/won't take no for an answer (folks - there are any number of reasons why people aren't drinking...
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Re: Question about Northern District of California mag clerkship  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 10:33:59 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
OP here; I sent a PM
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Re: Character and Fitness: Accused Professional Misconduct/What is a suspension  
  by: LTrent2021   on: December 10, at 10:28:39 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
FWIW, a criminal proceeding begins with a prosecutor's decision to file criminal charges. Sadly that doesn't help much because it's unclear when the prosecutor actually files the charges. Lawyers are telling me that they aren't filed until after the hearing if the state decides to issue a complaint. I'm probably going to disclose the hearing and write in the addendum that it isn't clear if a Magi...
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: TigerIsBack   on: December 10, at 9:47:53 am   in: Legal Employment
I do drink at work events, but usually will rotate back and forth between a gin + tonic (with lime) and then just a club soda (also with lime) so it just looks like I'm holding a cocktail at all times, but then I'm not getting drunk at work events. But obviously if you don't feel like disguising it, I still don't think anyone will care, but ordering a sparkling water with any kind of fruit in it w...
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Re: Should I cancel my November score?  
  by: burqin   on: December 10, at 9:44:34 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum

yyfhailey wrote:
The Lsat Airbender wrote:If there's even a tiny chance of 171 or better, and there is, don't cancel. Not even close to a tough decision here.
Thank you! I will wait for the score.
When will Nov score be out?
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: johngotti   on: December 10, at 9:42:11 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

katrinax0x17 wrote:Hey guys,

Does anybody have any predictions for the Feb 2020 Florida essays?

No one knows anything but Contracts and Family Law seem like good bets.
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 8:36:14 am   in: Legal Employment
I used to order “virgin” screwdrivers and pina coladas. People got a laugh out of it and nobody really cared.
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 8:28:06 am   in: Legal Employment
The poster above (with the long post) is right re: exit options. I work in a general benefits firm and I have a friend who works at Kirkland/Skadden/Latham (huge deal firm with a larger exec comp practice). Those associates are just M&A associates that work on severance, consulting, change in control, etc. My friend does almost no ERISA work, which is the “highly sought after” experience many ...
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: 2013   on: December 10, at 8:13:56 am   in: Legal Employment
Echoing the above. As long as you’re not weird or preachy about not drinking, no one will care/notice. Also, as someone who doesn’t drink, I’d probably not talk about some stupid thing another associate did while drunk because people may be less likely to invite the sober person who sits and judges while people drink (caveat: this doesn’t include reporting inappropriate behavior if it occurs).
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 3:40:02 am   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:I was offered the Cravath ECB position a couple months ago . . . .

Congratulations to you both. Lateral opening? How much experience were they looking for?
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Re: Should I write a DS?  
  by: aromal31   on: December 10, at 3:38:16 am   in: Law School Personal Statements
Excellent thread...!!!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=303750

Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 2:42:36 am   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:Just turned down USTP and Civil Div-Comm Lit. Best of luck to alternates

Do you mind sharing what location you were placed at for USTP?
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 2:25:25 am   in: Legal Employment
I was offered the Cravath ECB position a couple months ago, and I turned it down for another ECB position at the #1 firm in my market (DC/Chi/LA). I have no regrets. I would have probably accepted any top 3 firm offers in my market in ECB. Cravath is a great name, but if you're dead set on staying in your market then I just don't think it's worth it (unless your market is NYC of course and, still,...
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Re: LEGAL SALARY DATAPOINTS  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 2:17:15 am   in: Legal Employment
Location: Phoenix Position: Manager Regulatory Compliance/Consultant (niche area) Experience: 4.5 Years Salary: $165,000 + 10% Bonus + generous 401K Match and Pension Also, graduated lower half of my law school class (not proud but shows that law school stats are not the end all/be all) Interesting. We have very similar stats: Location: Phoenix Position: Regulatory Compliance/Consultant (niche ar...
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 1:08:40 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I had my appellate interview and it was super relaxed. No gotcha questions, just basic getting to know you questions. I have heard that appellate and also civil interviews are generally pretty easy. It's the criminal interviews that are the most intense and have the most rounds. My appellate interview was similar. It was a few hours with a few different people, but it was a fairly straightforward...
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Re: Question about Northern District of California mag clerkship  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 12:58:08 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
OP again. Also, does anyone know whether I would be at 13-3 on jsp with two prior federal clerkships, bar membership, and private practice experience?
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Re: Question about Northern District of California mag clerkship  
  by: 20181989   on: December 10, at 12:48:29 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
OP, PM me.
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 10, at 12:14:24 am   in: Legal Employment
i made a similar choice last year—Cravath ECB v general tax elsewhere. I chose the general tax position and so far, I’m happy. I didn’t have a WSGR offer though—and I’ve heard the culture there is a little rough. If you liked the people and know you want to do tax, take the offer. You must be a pretty decent candidate, however, so you can probably land a tax job at another similarly ranked firm th...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: burritotaco   on: December 9, at 11:49:01 pm   in: Legal Employment
Among my peers (8-10 years out), the majority who were in big law left to go in house. Maybe about 1/4 left for smaller firms, and about quarter went into the government. A very small percentage made partner in big law, and I can think of a handful who law altogether.
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Re: What do regional biglaw/midlaw M&A and corporate practices look like?  
  by: Neff   on: December 9, at 11:12:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm at a smaller market that is tech-focused (Portland/Seattle/Austin) at a V50 doing M&A with a VC/emerging companies focus. I have had some miserably busy months but overall it is better than my last gig in a major market -- but not enough for me to want to keep doing this for much longer. Colleagues are nice, better outdoors, and I have recently lucked into some downtime. But busy or not, ...
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Re: What do regional biglaw/midlaw M&A and corporate practices look like?  
  by: Neff   on: December 9, at 11:05:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm at a smaller market that is tech-focused (Portland/Seattle/Austin) at a V50 doing M&A with a VC/emerging companies focus. I have had some miserably busy months but overall it is better than my last gig in a major market -- but not enough for me to want to keep doing this for much longer. Colleagues are nice, better outdoors, and I have recently lucked into some downtime. But busy or not, M...
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: dvlthndr   on: December 9, at 11:02:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
Firm events may have an open bar, but nobody is going to care if you prefer to nurse a soda.
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 10:54:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you're not weird about it, no one else will be. I worked in a super bro-y firm in a super bro-y location over the summer. The people who knew didn't care or were encouraging. Most people weren't paying attention enough to even notice, and I made no attempt to disguise it by holding alcohol-looking drinks at social events either. I will say that it is super important to be able to drink for prof...
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Re: Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: Chrstgtr   on: December 9, at 10:52:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
You may get a question or two, and you obviously won't be the person associates think to invite out to happy hour or to bar events, but no one will make a big fuss about it. I don't drink and haven't had any issues. Just don't isolate yourself from drinking events, which is where most people really get to become friends and network. To be honest, the biggest negatives I would worry about are peopl...
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Biglaw & Not Drinking  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 10:33:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
Starting at a NYC V10 next Fall (not the firm where I summered). I don't drink. No health/moral/religious reasons for it...I just don't. How much of an issue is that going to be at a big firm? Would it look weird if I just ordered water or iced tea while out at lunch or social events with other attorneys?
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 10:19:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
Cravath's ECB department is standalone; it does not have official rotations with other departments. I'm not sure how common switching practice groups at Cravath is, but I bet it is low.
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: ghostoftraynor   on: December 9, at 9:56:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'd check with some associates at Cravath. If Cravath's ECB group is in the rotation system, not sure the ECB/tax distinction is terribly relevant, but don't know that level of nuance on how it works there.
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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: autonomousanonymous   on: December 9, at 9:56:17 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Me neither. I had the same email for the questions emailed Nov 16 and due Nov 21. I check my email & this forum 10x a day.

In the meantime, what did the french trademark lawyer say to her husband?
Je™
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: legalpotato   on: December 9, at 9:27:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
WSGR tax and it’s not even close. ECB is too niche and your exits are basically just smaller firm ECB.
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: 2013   on: December 9, at 8:07:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
You can go from Tax to Exec Comp. It’ll be much harder to go from Exec Comp to Tax, even if it’s Cravath.

Going to SV to NY isn’t going to be hard. Also, if you want to be in NY, why not reach out to other firms’ tax groups? If you can get Cravath Exec Comp, I’m sure you could snag a V10 tax position.
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Re: Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: 20181989   on: December 9, at 7:20:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
Isn't this primarily a CA v. NY discussion?
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 7:16:18 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:Just turned down USTP and Civil Div-Comm Lit. Best of luck to alternates


Wow, that may have just put me back in the game! Are you able to share what made you turn them down?
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Re: California Bar Inactive Fees  
  by: hangtime813   on: December 9, at 7:13:38 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

ringdabell wrote:I have been inactive in California bar for the past couple years as was practicing out of state.
Is there a way not to pay these "inactive" fees every year?

Interested as well. What are the consequences of not paying inactive fees? Is dying the only way to stop paying fees to the bar?
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: Alive97   on: December 9, at 7:03:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
By the way, if a family member or friend is concerned about BSF, they would also be concerned about any "corporate" law firm.
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: Alive97   on: December 9, at 6:57:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
The thing is David Boies does not have a good reputation in the legal world. He's obviously a tremendously talented lawyer but there is a reason for the "Why shouldn't I work at Boies Schiller? Because you'd work for David Boies" joke. It's not my world but they always get brought up as one of the worst firms to be on the other side of (sandbagging motions on purpose, etc.). I guess it'...
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California Bar Inactive Fees  
  by: ringdabell   on: December 9, at 6:53:07 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I have been inactive in California bar for the past couple years as was practicing out of state.
Is there a way not to pay these "inactive" fees every year?
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Cravath ECB (NY) vs. WSGR Tax (SV)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 6:20:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
Grateful to have received offers from both. I'm interested in hearing how others would analyze this decision, as I am struggling. I'll leave out the personal factors of my calculus, unless specifically asked. Thank you in advance!
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Re: 3.64 (w/ an F) and 172. Which addenda should i submit?  
  by: kinge   on: December 9, at 6:17:48 pm   in: What are my chances?
Right, I take your point. So my dad fled Soviet Poland and was taken in by grandparents in Italy and that's how he met my mom, which would be a good start. But they didn't face any unusual hardship in the states and I was born while my dad was in grad school. My parents were indebted and poor, but on track to make money. Seems to me like i should play it safe and not submit this with the applicat...
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Re: Possible red flags on my application?  
  by: kinge   on: December 9, at 6:12:40 pm   in: What are my chances?
Is there anything that you think might be a red flag? Most red flags are subjective so you may have some people feel a certain way and some people not feel that way. It's not like a specific c&f issue will be concerning to a t-14 but not a t-50 so being denied from all of the t-14 seems unlikely to be a c&f issue so much as a numbers thing. Are you still struggling this cycle? I have no i...
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: mariamacapa   on: December 9, at 5:59:26 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I had my appellate interview and it was super relaxed. No gotcha questions, just basic getting to know you questions. I have heard that appellate and also civil interviews are generally pretty easy. It's the criminal interviews that are the most intense and have the most rounds.
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Re: Possible red flags on my application?  
  by: LSATWiz.com   on: December 9, at 5:44:22 pm   in: What are my chances?
Is there anything that you think might be a red flag? Most red flags are subjective so you may have some people feel a certain way and some people not feel that way. It's not like a specific c&f issue will be concerning to a t-14 but not a t-50 so being denied from all of the t-14 seems unlikely to be a c&f issue so much as a numbers thing. Are you still struggling this cycle?
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 5:08:11 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Army Active Duty results dropped like 20 days early

Early Merry Christmas to me!!!!
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Re: Lawyers: What's Your Typical Day?  
  by: trebekismyhero   on: December 9, at 5:03:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
Long time lurker, really like this thread, decided what the Hell, I should sign up officially and contribute. I’ll go ahead and give my typical day: 6:30AM – Wake up, shit, shower, shave, play on my IPad to catch up on the world news and sports news – all that good stuff 7:00AM – Get ready for work 7:25AM – Usually head out the door, hop in my car, and off I go 7:45AM – Arrive at work, walk into ...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 4:52:14 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone else hear anything on OCIJ? I know someone mentioned a lot of offers might be going out today.

nothing yet, let's hope today is the day our phone rings!

I will say that my hope is running low as the clock nears 5...
Someone in DC told me that OCIJ really does extend offers until February. But it would have been nice anxiety wise to have heard today
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 4:46:20 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Just turned down USTP and Civil Div-Comm Lit. Best of luck to alternates
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Re: What do regional biglaw/midlaw M&A and corporate practices look like?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 4:39:31 pm   in: Legal Employment
I went to a secondary/tertiary market and do purely M&A/corporate work and the hours have honestly been worse. The people are better, and I go home at 6:30, but then I work all night and weekends and have been for the entire year. My first year I billed 2,000 despite taking the bar and this year i'm going to bill over 2,200. This profession is just miserable and even though I like my co-worker...
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Re: What is the max compensation cut you would take for non biglaw hours/stress?  
  by: didntretake   on: December 9, at 4:18:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
I took about an $70k cash cut when I went in house. I was in a specialist group in NYC. It was worth every penny to me.
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 4:17:35 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone else hear anything on OCIJ? I know someone mentioned a lot of offers might be going out today.

nothing yet, let's hope today is the day our phone rings!

I will say that my hope is running low as the clock nears 5...
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What do regional biglaw/midlaw M&A and corporate practices look like?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 4:15:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
General corporate/m&a second year associate at V10 firm and I’ve realized this life is not for me long term. Will be lateraling back to home market (think midwest/mountain west type market like Cleveland/Detroit or Denver/Phoenix) where there are a few biglaw shops but also a number midlaw transactional firms as well. My question is what do corporate/m&a practices at those types of firms a...
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Re: Cardozo Class of 2020  
  by: basketofbread   on: December 9, at 4:01:08 pm   in: TLS Class of 2020 Forum
Did any of y'all end up going to cardozo? I heard its competitve and cut throat. Looking at cardozo for big law. Any advice? I did it. It's inherently competitive because only the top ~20% percent can get biglaw. But cut throat? Not in my experience. People are kind and probably less competitive, on average, than people at top schools. I don't think it's that hard to get top grades here if you fo...
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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 3:44:10 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Has anyone gotten an offer from Maryland? With Colorado, when did first rounds go out? I believe I did a skype interview with them after the first rounds were sent. Anyone know the likelihood that they will send another batch? Colorado offers went out the week of November 11th! Do you know if there will be a second round of offers? I second round interviewed with them the week of November 11th. I...
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Question about Northern District of California mag clerkship  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 3:41:23 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I might have an interview with a magistrate judge in the ND Cal. I’m currently clerking for a mag in another California district. I also clerked for a district judge elsewhere and was in private practice for three years too. Just wondering what exit options would be from a mag clerkship in this district. And I’m also wondering about general work life balance in this district. Finally, for others t...
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Re: Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020 (non-DOJ)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 3:31:42 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Ensign Ro wrote:Has anyone that interviewed with CFPB gotten an offer or rejection yet?

Still have not heard anything
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Re: Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020 (non-DOJ)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 3:27:59 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone hear anything from FDIC? I Interviewed in front of the panel about 2 weeks before Thanksgiving. They said they would be making offers in early December. Radio silence since.

Same, except I interviewed slightly later. I've assumed they made a first round of offers already, but no info as to whether that's the case.
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Re: Military Law  
  by: keong678   on: December 9, at 2:34:10 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Anybody going to JAOBC this January for Army AD get their orders yet? I thought we were supposed to get them last week. I'm going to JAOBC for January and also have not received my orders yet. Same. I did find an RFO on AKO though. It looks like JARO put in RFO on November 26th, 2019. Pretty sure JARO is also crazy busy right now so it might take a while for us to get them. They seem to be moving...
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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications  
  by: shep1213   on: December 9, at 2:16:15 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Has anyone gotten an offer from Maryland? With Colorado, when did first rounds go out? I believe I did a skype interview with them after the first rounds were sent. Anyone know the likelihood that they will send another batch? Colorado offers went out the week of November 11th! Do you know if there will be a second round of offers? I second round interviewed with them the week of November 11th. I...
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Re: Queens District Attorney  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 2:14:22 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Hi! Curious to hear if you heard back from Queens yet. I had my 3rd round interview at the end of October and haven't heard anything yet. Any info or insight you might have would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Military Law  
  by: mcq_sou_suls   on: December 9, at 2:14:00 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:Anybody going to JAOBC this January for Army AD get their orders yet? I thought we were supposed to get them last week.
I'm going to JAOBC for January and also have not received my orders yet.
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Hiring Timeline for Main Justice/Top USAOs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 1:42:49 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Does anyone have insight into the hiring timeline for DOJ, specifically Main Justice or the more well-known USAOs? Will be coming off a COA clerkship in Fall 2021. Contacts of mine have said that their AUSA hiring process took a year or so. Obviously, by this point next year, I should be applying to everything I'm interested in, but does it make sense for me to apply to positions with application ...
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Re: Possible red flags on my application?  
  by: BrainsyK   on: December 9, at 1:35:21 pm   in: What are my chances?
Competition is getting pretty tough these days. I could see someone with those stats, no "Why X" essays, and nothing else extraordinary, and a moderate amount of bad luck being locked out of the T14. It isn't necessarily indicative of a red flag--especially with the scholarships from non T14s.
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 1:30:00 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Anybody going to JAOBC this January for Army AD get their orders yet? I thought we were supposed to get them last week.
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Re: License/past employment question  
  by: rcharter1978   on: December 9, at 1:14:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
... Actually I have an addendum: is there any reason to believe that this former employer would implicate you in whatever misdeeds resulted in their disbarment? My original operating assumption was no, that the worst they might say about you is something like "I would not hire throwawaybarq again because they were lazy." However, if they're likely to say something like "throwawayba...
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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 12:48:31 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone gotten an offer from Maryland?

With Colorado, when did first rounds go out? I believe I did a skype interview with them after the first rounds were sent. Anyone know the likelihood that they will send another batch?

Colorado offers went out the week of November 11th!
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Patrick Bateman   on: December 9, at 12:38:29 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Can anyone recommend a state to take the bar exam? There's a high volume of articles/blogs with answers that vary quite a bit concerning which state is the "easiest." From what I can gather, I should take the UBE in a state that receives the bar exam results sooner than later? Apart from that, there doesn't seem to be anywhere that I could sit for the exam where I would have an advantag...
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Re: Possible red flags on my application?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 9, at 12:33:57 pm   in: What are my chances?
Potentially? Sure. Hard for us to say without more details. You could talk to your LOR writers if that's something you're worried about - maybe couch it in terms of "hey here's how I did". The main red flag was probably your GPA - any given T14 school is perfectly capable of waitlisting a 3.45/175, so it's unusual, but perfectly plausible, to get unlucky and miss all of them. (Once you g...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 12:33:14 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone else hear anything on OCIJ? I know someone mentioned a lot of offers might be going out today.

nothing yet, let's hope today is the day our phone rings!
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Re: Military Law  
  by: ubersaurusrex   on: December 9, at 12:33:00 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Can anyone recommend a state to take the bar exam? There's a high volume of articles/blogs with answers that vary quite a bit concerning which state is the "easiest." From what I can gather, I should take the UBE in a state that receives the bar exam results sooner than later? Apart from that, there doesn't seem to be anywhere that I could sit for the exam where I would have an advantag...
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Possible red flags on my application?  
  by: kinge   on: December 9, at 12:29:35 pm   in: What are my chances?
I was waitlisted out of the T14 with competitive stats last year (3.4x/175, sent apps between Sept and Nov) but got $$$$ at the T20s/T30s I applied to. Was there potentially a red flag on my application (bad LORs, etc) that kept me from getting into T14s? Or are the lower tier schools throwing money at me is evidence that there wasn't a red flag?
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 11:33:27 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Anyone else hear anything on OCIJ? I know someone mentioned a lot of offers might be going out today.
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Re: Post-Clerkship Comp Thread (2nd Yr Bonus, Class Credit, etc)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 11:21:28 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Can anyone provide insight on what the big ATL firms would offer as a signing bonus to a double clerk (D.Ct./CoA)? Would be coming in with some firm experience as well, though not sure that matters (and I'm negotiable on class year).
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Morvillo Abramowitz  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 10:32:38 am   in: Legal Employment
Any info/thoughts on Morvillo Abramowitz? Obviously has a very good reputation, but I’ve heard some partners are difficult to work for. Any inside info would be appreciated.
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Re: Applied to two positions at same firm  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 9, at 9:43:16 am   in: Legal Employment
Slightly different, but I applied to 2 different offices of the same firm.

I went through a full round of callbacks at the office #1 (in another market), and then a year later applied to the office #2 (in another different market), got that offer, and am still happily working at office #2. No one ever mentioned my application or interviews at office #1, and I don't plan to mention it.
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Re: Wait a year or apply now?  
  by: DOJ1111   on: December 8, at 11:45:09 pm   in: What are my chances?
Your numbers are great. If you write a great personal statement I don't see why you wouldn't get into most schools on your list. If you do decide to wait a year, I would use the time to work on the PS and commit to submitting your apps on Sept 15 for the next cycle.
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Re: Relocating to New Market (UBE Transfer v. Current Employer)  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: December 8, at 11:43:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
Are you sure you need to be barred to get a job in your new state? I admittedly don't know a lot about transactional practice, but I'd think it wouldn't be a big deal to work under the supervision of [insert new state here]-barred lawyers while you wait for the transfer to go through. It's not like you have to be able to file docs in court. So maybe no need to tell your current firm or to go throu...
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Georgetown PT 3.77/166  
  by: DOJ1111   on: December 8, at 11:41:42 pm   in: What are my chances?
Just applied for the PT program. I have v good/relevant work experience. Looking to stay in my industry but move into policy/litigation. I felt pretty good about my chances after looking at the ABA report, but anecdotal evidence shared in previous threads leave me feeling skeptical. Also, there's not much info out there on PT applicants, past and current. Any one else out there applying to GULC PT...
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Re: Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020 (non-DOJ)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 8, at 11:27:08 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Anyone hear anything from FDIC? I Interviewed in front of the panel about 2 weeks before Thanksgiving. They said they would be making offers in early December. Radio silence since.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: katrinax0x17   on: December 8, at 10:27:08 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hey guys,

Does anybody have any predictions for the Feb 2020 Florida essays?
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Re: Applied to two positions at same firm  
  by: Wild Card   on: December 8, at 5:32:41 pm   in: Legal Employment
nah you're fine. Not like applying to both of them at the same time and the fact that you have experience in both groups makes it pretty easy to explain away if anyone actually cares. I'm in the same situation. Both are sub-practices under a general practice, and I could plausibly argue that my background prepares me for either sub-practice. I guess it depends on the firm. Some firms do ask wheth...
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Re: Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020 (non-DOJ)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 8, at 3:33:01 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Looks like there's gonna be a HUD Legal Honors Program this year. https://www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/CFO/documents/2020HUDCongressionalJustifications4-2-19.pdf Legal Honors and Succession Planning. In 2020, 168 of OGC’s current employees are eligible for full retirement. This represents over 30 percent of OGC’s current workforce. The lynchpin of OGC’s succession planning efforts is its Legal Honors ...
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Re: Relocating to New Market (UBE Transfer v. Current Employer)  
  by: Lancair   on: December 8, at 11:40:36 am   in: Legal Employment
If I were you, I’d just tell your current firm, if they asked, that you wanted to get barred in the new state before your UBE score expired/while you had all your records from your NY application collated etc. in case you wanted to move home at some unspecified point in the future. Alternatively, I would speak to a recruiter and figure out if not being barred in the state is a barrier to getting a...
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Re: Advice for law school journey.  
  by: cavalier1138   on: December 8, at 11:23:07 am   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Ok, there's a lot to unpack here, so I'm going to start with some broad strokes: I would like positive feedback as I begin this journey. You have a family. If you want to limit yourself to only hearing reinforcement and positive feedback, I'd suggest using them. I have made the decision to go all in with my Canadian credit to fund my law studies (roughly 380k). Can you explain a little more about ...
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Re: Just failed my 4th attempt at the CA bar. Contemplating giving up law and starting fresh, need some advice please.  
  by: Neve   on: December 8, at 10:48:03 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Have you considered hiring a private bar exam tutor? There are prep companies that specialize in helping students who have repeatedly failed the bar exam. I know that it might seem expensive, but you've already invested a lot of time and money into studying law and prepping for the bar exam and you are very close to becoming a licensed attorney. If this is what you really want to do, I suggest hir...
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Re: Cardozo Class of 2020  
  by: Wubbles   on: December 8, at 10:13:39 am   in: TLS Class of 2020 Forum

liclaire wrote:Did any of y'all end up going to cardozo? I heard its competitve and cut throat. Looking at cardozo for big law. Any advice?
You should not go to Cardozo for biglaw. Point blank.
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Re: PS Feedback  
  by: qiranger   on: December 8, at 2:01:22 am   in: Law School Personal Statements
Hey feel free to send me your PS, and I'd love to read it and give you some feedback.
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Re: E-mail chair of group or partner in specific area for openings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 7, at 9:57:25 pm   in: Legal Employment
Why not both? If you're already in cold-email territory, emailing like 2-3 people isn't some faux pas. eta: if you're not in cold-email territory, and have a contact at the firm, ask that person I don’t know if this is the same at most firms, but the firms I’ve been at have always been useless when it comes to non-posted positions. I’d submit and recruiting would just tell me they are only taking...
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: whats an updog   on: December 7, at 9:31:36 pm   in: Legal Employment
this thread stresses me out
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Re: E-mail chair of group or partner in specific area for openings  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 7, at 7:51:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
Why not both? If you're already in cold-email territory, emailing like 2-3 people isn't some faux pas.

eta: if you're not in cold-email territory, and have a contact at the firm, ask that person
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: politibro44   on: December 7, at 6:50:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
I found when I started in practice that applying “record all your time” mindlessly could be detrimental. If you continuously take too long on assignments, partners can take notice and will avoid you. That can lead to low billables which is never good. That said, partners regularly underestimate how long it takes to do an assignment well, especially when new. So I recommend asking partners how long...
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E-mail chair of group or partner in specific area for openings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 7, at 6:28:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
I was recently speaking with a recruiter and she suggested that I reach out to the partners in the firms I’m interested in to gauge interest since this market does not really like to use recruiters for unposted jobs. There are a few firms where the chair of the practice doesn’t do anything in the area I work in (the practice is something like Labor, Benefits & Compensation). Should I e-mail th...
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Re: Cardozo Class of 2020  
  by: liclaire   on: December 7, at 5:31:09 pm   in: TLS Class of 2020 Forum
Did any of y'all end up going to cardozo? I heard its competitve and cut throat. Looking at cardozo for big law. Any advice?
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Re: Environmental Law for the Government  
  by: politibro44   on: December 7, at 5:28:36 pm   in: Legal Employment
Cal AG does hire out of biglaw, as well as clerkships and mid-level or enviro-focused firms. They also have an honors program. Quality of life is high, and I can personally attest that the people who work there are very smart and nice (also can be a bit quirky). The work meanders between more "bread and butter" state enviro work (think representing the state in a property boundary dispu...
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Re: Applied to two positions at same firm  
  by: thatlawlkid   on: December 7, at 4:28:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
nah you're fine. Not like applying to both of them at the same time and the fact that you have experience in both groups makes it pretty easy to explain away if anyone actually cares.
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Re: 2L Summer Associate Holiday Gifts?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 7, at 4:25:41 pm   in: Legal Employment
Nelson mullins sent a finals care package full of snacks, still holding out for a holiday gift.
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Re: Character and Fitness: Accused Professional Misconduct/What is a suspension  
  by: Tenzen   on: December 7, at 4:14:00 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
FWIW, a criminal proceeding begins with a prosecutor's decision to file criminal charges.
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Re: Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020 (non-DOJ)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 7, at 2:49:01 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
If you didn't get the email saying you are still under active consideration, does that basically mean you've been cut? :( I only got mine yesterday, so they might be going out gradually. This appears to be the case; only got mine a couple days after this post. (I think I probably interviewed late relative to people who had theirs at OGI, so they may just be going in order of first contact?) Looki...
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Re: Univ. of Virginia vs GW  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 7, at 12:47:11 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
You’re obviously much better off retaking and getting a better deal, but T14 schools are aware of that issue and have programs like this:

https://www.law.virginia.edu/public-ser ... orgiveness

Another point of distinction between the best schools and the good-but-not-great ones
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Re: Univ. of Virginia vs GW  
  by: bciara96   on: December 7, at 12:07:57 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
1) You get a full scholarship, AND 2) You do not want the option of biglaw or other similarly competitive career tracks...The vast majority of lawyers do not practice in big firms, the federal government, the UN, etc. Is that what you mean by similarly competitive career tracks? If I wanted to be a federal prosecutor (not saying I do), is that under the competitive career tracks umbrella? ask whe...
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Re: Univ. of Virginia vs GW  
  by: cavalier1138   on: December 7, at 11:34:35 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Is there a situation where you would recommend GW? Not necessarily vs UVA but just recommending it in general. It's ranked like 22 which led me to think it was a good school but everyone seems to be ragging on it a little bit. I'm not sure if that's specifically when compared to UVA or if it's actually not a good school. Thanks! I would recommend it under two conditions: 1) You get a full scholar...
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: Joachim2017   on: December 7, at 11:29:04 am   in: Legal Employment
The thing is David Boies does not have a good reputation in the legal world. He's obviously a tremendously talented lawyer but there is a reason for the "Why shouldn't I work at Boies Schiller? Because you'd work for David Boies" joke. It's not my world but they always get brought up as one of the worst firms to be on the other side of (sandbagging motions on purpose, etc.). I guess it'...
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Re: Univ. of Virginia vs GW  
  by: bciara96   on: December 7, at 11:16:00 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Is there a situation where you would recommend GW? Not necessarily vs UVA but just recommending it in general. It's ranked like 22 which led me to think it was a good school but everyone seems to be ragging on it a little bit. I'm not sure if that's specifically when compared to UVA or if it's actually not a good school.

Thanks!
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Applied to two positions at same firm  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 7, at 10:13:53 am   in: Legal Employment
As the title states, I applied to two jobs at the same firm, although at different times. I work in a firm that has both practices under one group (and I do both types of work). I applied to one practice a while ago (year or so) and the other a few months ago. Both jobs were taken down, but the one I applied to a year ago was reposted and recruiters have been emailing me about it this week. I pref...
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Re: License/past employment question  
  by: sleeplessindc   on: December 7, at 10:07:04 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
... Actually I have an addendum: is there any reason to believe that this former employer would implicate you in whatever misdeeds resulted in their disbarment? My original operating assumption was no, that the worst they might say about you is something like "I would not hire throwawaybarq again because they were lazy." However, if they're likely to say something like "throwawayba...
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Re: License/past employment question  
  by: sleeplessindc   on: December 7, at 8:47:22 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Should I list this firm if it no longer exists and my old boss isn't practicing law anymore? You are required to list it. If your state bar uses the NCBE form, you'll be asked whether each employer is now defunct; I would expect all non-NCBE states to solicit this info in some similar fashion. Even if your answer is yes, you must still provide the name and contact info of your supervisor. If you ...
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Re: Diversity statement as a Bisexual Mennonite?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: December 7, at 8:37:51 am   in: Law School Personal Statements
I don't know that you should be worried about playing a "card." You're actually bi; you actually went through these things. It's your lived experience, not a narrative you're twisting for the purpose of admissions.

This is a fine topic for a diversity statement.
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Re: 3rd year Big Law Associate at crossroads. How to make the most money the quickest?  
  by: TigerIsBack   on: December 7, at 8:19:09 am   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Our household is in SF/NYC/LA.

I drive a...car.

Lol, so you live/work in SF/LA.
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Diversity statement as a Bisexual Mennonite?  
  by: Bonzeye   on: December 7, at 4:30:33 am   in: Law School Personal Statements
I am trying to figure out of writing about diversity statement about being a Bisexual Mennonite would be appropriate. For context, the Mennonite Church USA is a denomination that has been experiencing some internal conflict over the issue of homosexuality (should pastors marry gay/bi people, should gay/bi people be allowed to be pastors in mennonite churches). This sparked many conversations in my...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: oblig.lawl.ref   on: December 7, at 3:13:04 am   in: Legal Employment
I think this is exactly the right question to be asking. I have a doom and gloom perspective solely because I (personally) believe that if you go to Harvard or Columbia or NYU law (or so many places ranked lower than that, including my own alma mater) you shouldn't have to deactivate your LinkedIn profile because you feel like you haven't achieved. But I have searched LinkedIn connections many tim...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: oblig.lawl.ref   on: December 7, at 2:54:34 am   in: Legal Employment
The vast majority never had to work in the first place, so they retire and live off their trusts until the end of their days. As with most of your takes, this is a bad take. There is an extremely small minority who come from this background. Lots of folks come from families that make senior associate level household income. It's good money, but they're not multimillionaire trust fund babies as a ...
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Re: Character and Fitness: Accused Professional Misconduct/What is a suspension  
  by: LTrent2021   on: December 7, at 12:25:06 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thanks for the input, cav. The question is how much of an issue it's going to be. After talking to you and nixy, I don't think it'll be that big of a deal.
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Re: Harrity & Harrity -- any info/experience/anything?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 7, at 12:02:32 am   in: Legal Employment
Not to hijack your thread, but I’m looking into another firm (not Harrity) that has a similar model - eat what you bill, work remote if you want, etc. Anyone have any anecdotes about these situations? Obviously the main concern is that work will dry up for awhile leaving some leaner months, but otherwise it sounds like a decent idea if it works out like it’s designed. Bonus points for not being w...
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Re: 2L Summer Associate Holiday Gifts?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 11:16:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Fried Frank sent cookies this year.
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Re: Deciding if the Law is for me: Work-Life Balance after Law School  
  by: Halp   on: December 6, at 10:04:31 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Thanks for the replies everyone. I am currently weighing the JD option against full time military chaplaincy and NP level nursing, both of which seem better for work-life balance though I have other reservations for those options. Again thank you for the honesty, better to learn these things now rather than as a 2/3L! Happy to help. I'd strongly encourage you - and I think most of TLS would join ...
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Advice for law school journey.  
  by: Ross Specter   on: December 6, at 8:19:53 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Hi everyone My name is Ross, I am 30. I have been doing as much research as I possibly can on law school. I’ve always felt like I wanted to practice law, however the investment was too large for me to go into it without doing research to see if it’s for me. After 5 years of of doing extensive research I have concluded that it is for me, it’s my calling, and I want to complete a JD and practice. A ...
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Re: Lawyers: What's Your Typical Day?  
  by: SmallTownLawyer   on: December 6, at 8:19:30 pm   in: Legal Employment
Long time lurker, really like this thread, decided what the Hell, I should sign up officially and contribute. I’ll go ahead and give my typical day: 6:30AM – Wake up, shit, shower, shave, play on my IPad to catch up on the world news and sports news – all that good stuff 7:00AM – Get ready for work 7:25AM – Usually head out the door, hop in my car, and off I go 7:45AM – Arrive at work, walk into m...
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Re: 3rd year Big Law Associate at crossroads. How to make the most money the quickest?  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 6, at 7:42:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
Texas, on average, might not be a great fit but OP can just live in the yuppie part of Houston and avoid all that without too much trouble. Especially if it's just a 3-year stint to fatten their retirement account. Exactly. No one's saying OP needs to fit in in rural east Texas or whatnot. So long as OP gets that driver's license (due to lack of decent mass transit in TX, not due to any cultural ...
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Re: Law 101?  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 6, at 7:38:27 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
reading about the law before law school seems like a bad idea. Yeah, it's a bad idea. Pop-history-style books would be especially dangerous. Getting to Maybe is the credited response here because it's actually about doing well on law exams, and other than that I would not touch anything remotely related to the law before you step into the classroom. Read Dostoevsky or something. Seconding LSAT Ai...
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Re: Deciding if the Law is for me: Work-Life Balance after Law School  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 6, at 7:31:26 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Thanks for the replies everyone. I am currently weighing the JD option against full time military chaplaincy and NP level nursing, both of which seem better for work-life balance though I have other reservations for those options. Again thank you for the honesty, better to learn these things now rather than as a 2/3L! Happy to help. I'd strongly encourage you - and I think most of TLS would join ...
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: Winter is Coming   on: December 6, at 6:45:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
The thing is David Boies does not have a good reputation in the legal world. He's obviously a tremendously talented lawyer but there is a reason for the "Why shouldn't I work at Boies Schiller? Because you'd work for David Boies" joke. It's not my world but they always get brought up as one of the worst firms to be on the other side of (sandbagging motions on purpose, etc.). I guess it's...
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Re: Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020 (non-DOJ)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 6:43:37 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Ensign Ro wrote:Has anyone that interviewed with CFPB gotten an offer or rejection yet?

not me. also, i know this is probably a stretch / impossible, but did anyone ask about the possibility to placement in a regional office rather than DC?
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Re: 3rd year Big Law Associate at crossroads. How to make the most money the quickest?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 6, at 6:41:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think not being able to drive is probably a disqualifier for Texas. Learning how to drive is easy, and OP could do it, but the cultural gap is too large. You can be a liberal New Yorker and convince Texans you are not an out of touch elitist. Don't think you can be a New Yorker that is 21 years+ that doesn't know how to drive and be able to convince people of that. Come on, I refuse to believe ...
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Re: 3rd year Big Law Associate at crossroads. How to make the most money the quickest?  
  by: ghostoftraynor   on: December 6, at 6:34:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think not being able to drive is probably a disqualifier for Texas. Learning how to drive is easy, and OP could do it, but the cultural gap is too large. You can be a liberal New Yorker and convince Texans you are not an out of touch elitist. Don't think you can be a New Yorker that is 21 years+ that doesn't know how to drive and be able to convince people of that. Come on, I refuse to believe ...
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Re: LSAT Digital Writing in China  
  by: burqin   on: December 6, at 5:08:28 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I am posting this information so hopefully future students do not encounter this problem. The LSAT digital writing utilizes PSI proctoring software, which uses Trilio. Trilio is prohibited in China, and so the PSI software cannot function. There are physical testing centers located throughout China, but you need to call LSAC to unlock your account. This is difficult if you are not aware this appr...
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Re: Character and Fitness: Accused Professional Misconduct/What is a suspension  
  by: cavalier1138   on: December 6, at 4:10:41 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
But getting back to your first question... Is this C&F question about a criminal proceeding, or is it asking about professional misconduct? When I posted the question, I was thinking about the question about professional misconduct, but nixy's comments subsequently made me think about a criminal proceeding question. Based on the information you've given, I think it's responsive to both questi...
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Re: Deciding if the Law is for me: Work-Life Balance after Law School  
  by: MohawkMonk87   on: December 6, at 3:54:28 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Thanks for the replies everyone. I am currently weighing the JD option against full time military chaplaincy and NP level nursing, both of which seem better for work-life balance though I have other reservations for those options. Again thank you for the honesty, better to learn these things now rather than as a 2/3L!
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Re: Law 101?  
  by: Lolstudent   on: December 6, at 3:52:10 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
reading about the law before law school seems like a bad idea. Yeah, it's a bad idea. Pop-history-style books would be especially dangerous. Getting to Maybe is the credited response here because it's actually about doing well on law exams, and other than that I would not touch anything remotely related to the law before you step into the classroom. Read Dostoevsky or something. I will pass on th...
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Re: Character and Fitness: Accused Professional Misconduct/What is a suspension  
  by: LTrent2021   on: December 6, at 3:50:39 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

cavalier1138 wrote:But getting back to your first question... Is this C&F question about a criminal proceeding, or is it asking about professional misconduct?

When I posted the question, I was thinking about the question about professional misconduct, but nixy's comments subsequently made me think about a criminal proceeding question.
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Re: "Which of the following phrases" in quotes RC questions  
  by: Blueprint LSAT   on: December 6, at 2:58:49 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I think you may be misunderstanding the question slightly. Since the answer choices are actually quoted phrases from the text, you aren't trying to match them up to figure out which one is most like the author's attitude, you are trying to figure out which one of them is the phrase that best indicates to you what the author's attitude is. You are being asked to pick which phrase is the reason you ...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: nerd1   on: December 6, at 2:51:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
The vast majority never had to work in the first place, so they retire and live off their trusts until the end of their days. As with most of your takes, this is a bad take. There is an extremely small minority who come from this background. Lots of folks come from families that make senior associate level household income. It's good money, but they're not multimillionaire trust fund babies as a ...
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Re: For the love of christ, retake!  
  by: LSATWiz.com   on: December 6, at 2:49:54 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
A lot of people say they just aren't good at tests but will transfer out without heeding the fact their ability to do that is based on their performance on tests. Many others state they are good at arguing and that the facts of a case or knowledge of law are less relevant than having the charisma to charm a jury without realizing that most cases are more often won and lost in discovery at depositi...
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Re: Describing Clerkship on Resume  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: December 6, at 2:30:49 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I don’t describe my clerkships on my resume and I’ve never run into any problems. I’d probably only bother if it’s a really specialized court or you did something really out of the ordinary (and maybe not even then). I'd say if you did something really extraordinary that's especially when you shouldn't describe it. Unless it's already public knowledge (and why would it be?), you'd be revealing co...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: December 6, at 2:15:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
The vast majority never had to work in the first place, so they retire and live off their trusts until the end of their days. As with most of your takes, this is a bad take. There is an extremely small minority who come from this background. Lots of folks come from families that make senior associate level household income. It's good money, but they're not multimillionaire trust fund babies as a ...
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Re: For the love of christ, retake!  
  by: AdieuCali   on: December 6, at 1:47:52 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Thanks for sharing your humbling experience. I don't have any advice on what you should do now, but wish you the best of luck! People debate whether the LSAT actually tests for lawyering skills. But there is no doubt that it simulates the way you will receive the majority of your law school grades: through a single, comprehensive, high-pressure, time-sensitive test. It is much easier to prepare an...
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Re: For the love of christ, retake!  
  by: cavalier1138   on: December 6, at 1:31:20 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Although the core message is a common one, this is an extremely important story for 0Ls to see. Far too often, the only people returning to this forum after getting these warnings are the ones who bucked the odds and want to prove all the "haters" wrong. You absolutely made the right decision (on many levels). Applicants should read every word and note the number of times they think &quo...
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For the love of christ, retake!  
  by: AllpainNogain   on: December 6, at 1:10:24 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Hi everyone. This post won't offer insight that regular readers of the forum would not encounter. However, its message cannot be stressed enough and must be hammered into the minds of all prospects. Like many law school hopefuls, I've wandered through my college career taking interesting courses that taught no practical skills. I thought too little about what I wanted to do with my life and assume...
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Re: Adaptibar Discount Code?  
  by: JAGbound   on: December 6, at 1:04:55 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Looking for the code if anyone could help!
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 12:43:42 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I've been lurking this thread for awhile now without posting. Accepted a USAO position with Arizona. Any other USAO hires out there?
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Re: Wait a year or apply now?  
  by: kinge   on: December 6, at 12:29:46 pm   in: What are my chances?
What was your spread for the test where you got 170? If you did better in PTs, you could consider retaking. 170 is a decent score though, especially with your good GPA.

I don't think law firms will care if they're hiring you at age 42 rather than age 41. Starting biglaw at 41 sounds pretty miserable though.
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Re: Law 101?  
  by: Dipsychus   on: December 6, at 12:01:14 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
IF IF IF I get the chance (and I might very well not), I am going to one-up cavalier by being ostentatiously cavalier with my classroom/section asides: “This particular issue does not lend itself easily to the Socratic elentic mode of disputation...” or “As Aquinas puts it in a little-quoted section of the great Summa...” or even “Dworkin (Ronald, not Andrea) was, as of course everyone knows, not ...
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Re: Harrity & Harrity -- any info/experience/anything?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 11:59:58 am   in: Legal Employment
Not to hijack your thread, but I’m looking into another firm (not Harrity) that has a similar model - eat what you bill, work remote if you want, etc. Anyone have any anecdotes about these situations? Obviously the main concern is that work will dry up for awhile leaving some leaner months, but otherwise it sounds like a decent idea if it works out like it’s designed. Bonus points for not being w...
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Re: Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020 (non-DOJ)  
  by: Ensign Ro   on: December 6, at 11:52:45 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Has anyone that interviewed with CFPB gotten an offer or rejection yet?
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: anonuser1988   on: December 6, at 11:11:30 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I received an OCIJ offer Wednesday afternoon via email for my first choice court (Phoenix). Celia said offers were going out "this week." My references were checked shortly after my interview. Good luck to the rest of the candidates and looking forward to meeting my future colleagues in PHX!
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Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: cbbinnyc   on: December 6, at 11:07:42 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
Just to put a button on this, for people interested in the future, turns out that, in reality, 3.621 was good enough for cum laude (apparently non-law school classes are not counted in the calculation for latin honors).
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Re: Visit Timing  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 6, at 11:05:34 am   in: Talk About Law School Visits, Open Houses, Admit Days
As a reverse splitter, it'd be a far better use of your time to study for and retake the LSAT than to (frankly) waste significant amounts of time/money visiting law schools in an effort to boost your admissions chances. (I'd say that even a compelling Why X is more likely to move the needle than an in-person visit. Relatively speaking, of course. Law schools are all about LSAC GPA and LSAT, and an...
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Re: Describing Clerkship on Resume  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 6, at 11:02:07 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I don’t describe my clerkships on my resume and I’ve never run into any problems. I’d probably only bother if it’s a really specialized court or you did something really out of the ordinary (and maybe not even then). I'd say that if it was appropriate to note, say, a particular focus (like a patent-focused EDTX clerkship, for someone applying for patent lit positions), that would be better in the...
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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 10:36:47 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I got an offer from NHPD yesterday. I was told they're hiring a class of 14 this year and have already got 8 (now 9!) locked in. I'd anticipate most, if not all, offers will be made by mid-to-late December.

Wishing the best of luck to everyone here!
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 10:26:30 am   in: Legal Employment
Also a big law partner. From day one I have been told to record all my time, and I always tell associates to do so. That said, I think it is funny when folks on these forums say "never write down your own time" as if this applies to every situation. As with so many other things in this industry, this is still firm/practice group/partner specific (probably less firm and more partner speci...
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: Best   on: December 6, at 10:19:59 am   in: Legal Employment
Realization and write offs are typically a metric for your review, but I don't think its' that significant that you need to worry about it until you're sub 85% or something (unless you're taking big contingencies and having a bad year). Even then, you should probably be talking to your mentor or partners to get advice, not writing off your time. With that said, I can imagine a situation where you'...
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Re: Describing Clerkship on Resume  
  by: mjb447   on: December 6, at 10:13:29 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I don’t describe my clerkships on my resume and I’ve never run into any problems. I’d probably only bother if it’s a really specialized court or you did something really out of the ordinary (and maybe not even then). I'd say if you did something really extraordinary that's especially when you shouldn't describe it. Unless it's already public knowledge (and why would it be?), you'd be revealing co...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: notinbiglaw   on: December 6, at 9:07:24 am   in: Legal Employment
Op, I wondered the same thing when I was SA. I trawled LinkedIn for alumni of the firm I was SAing at (V10) in 2015-2016 and most of what I found, in order of relative frequency. Keep in mind if survivor bias and what I saw wouldn’t include people who left LinkedIn altogether. Also keep in mind I was looking at a time period where a lot of would be seniors were let go and were forced to get MBA or...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 8:59:44 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I know of people turning down OCIJ because of where they got placed, and someone who accepted then reneged on a USAO gig. What specifically is giving you pause? (There are definitely reasonable bases for saying no, IMHO, especially now.) What are your other options? (Anecdotally, if you have a CR offer you probably have other choices.) What gives me pause is mainly geography - I'm a west coaster ...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: Hutz_and_Goodman   on: December 6, at 8:05:33 am   in: Legal Employment
From my big law firm, people have gone in-house, lateraled to other big law firms, and a few have stopped practicing. I don’t have the statistics but there are a ton of in house jobs and these are much less visible than law firm jobs (I.e. go to the Cravath website and you can see all of their lawyers, but there is no way to see the number of in house lawyers at Walmart, AT&T etc etc).
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Re: Law 101?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: December 6, at 7:43:47 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Agree with Lsat Airbender about those books, that entire category of “How-to-get-through-law-school” books. But how about something that never goes out of style, such as The Federalist Papers ? Or H. L. A. Hart’s classic work of jurisprudence, The Concept of Law ? Or a biography of a legal figure (let’s say Clarence Darrow) or judge (Brandeis, Brennan, Blackmun)? And then there’s Dickens’s Bleak ...
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Re: Law 101?  
  by: nixy   on: December 6, at 7:18:29 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Agree with Lsat Airbender about those books, that entire category of “How-to-get-through-law-school” books. But how about something that never goes out of style, such as The Federalist Papers ? Or H. L. A. Hart’s classic work of jurisprudence, The Concept of Law ? Or a biography of a legal figure (let’s say Clarence Darrow) or judge (Brandeis, Brennan, Blackmun)? And then there’s Dickens’s Bleak ...
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Sullivan and Worcester Info?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 6:55:14 am   in: Legal Employment
I have an upcoming interview for a position in the Boston office. Anyone know about culture, comp, billable expectations (I know the billable min is 1800, but is something that low even realistic). Looking for a place I can stay at for a while. Interviewed at many of the larger firms in Boston and I’d probably burn out within the next year or two (by 5th/6th year) at those firms, so I’d prefer lon...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: December 6, at 5:39:04 am   in: Legal Employment
The vast majority never had to work in the first place, so they retire and live off their trusts until the end of their days. As with most of your takes, this is a bad take. There is an extremely small minority who come from this background. Lots of folks come from families that make senior associate level household income. It's good money, but they're not multimillionaire trust fund babies as a ...
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Re: Harrity & Harrity -- any info/experience/anything?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 3:36:35 am   in: Legal Employment
Not to hijack your thread, but I’m looking into another firm (not Harrity) that has a similar model - eat what you bill, work remote if you want, etc. Anyone have any anecdotes about these situations? Obviously the main concern is that work will dry up for awhile leaving some leaner months, but otherwise it sounds like a decent idea if it works out like it’s designed. Bonus points for not being w...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 6, at 1:24:47 am   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:I received an offer from BOP the week before Thanksgiving, about a day or so after I was designated as a finalist. But I declined the offer last week because I accepted an offer from a different component.

Congratulations! And glad you turned down BOP I guess that puts me one position higher on the alternate list.
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Re: Law 101?  
  by: Dipsychus   on: December 6, at 1:18:19 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Agree with Lsat Airbender about those books, that entire category of “How-to-get-through-law-school” books. But how about something that never goes out of style, such as The Federalist Papers ? Or H. L. A. Hart’s classic work of jurisprudence, The Concept of Law ? Or a biography of a legal figure (let’s say Clarence Darrow) or judge (Brandeis, Brennan, Blackmun)? And then there’s Dickens’s Bleak H...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: December 5, at 11:37:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
The vast majority never had to work in the first place, so they retire and live off their trusts until the end of their days. As with most of your takes, this is a bad take. There is an extremely small minority who come from this background. Lots of folks come from families that make senior associate level household income. It's good money, but they're not multimillionaire trust fund babies as a ...
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: BaiAilian2013   on: December 5, at 10:44:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
I would differ from the TLS hive mind and argue that there are occasional situations - genuine screwups among them, but not the only example - in which writing your own time down is a rational choice. However, this certainly isn't one of them. Writing down your time is a bad solution here because it harms your interests without fixing the root problem. Instead, you should figure out why things are...
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Re: 2L Summer Associate Holiday Gifts?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 10:27:21 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:IIRC, V&E did branded fleeces last year and BB did blankets. Probably flipped this year.
Unless it differs by office, BB did Swell water bottles and raincoats last year.
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: 64Fl   on: December 5, at 9:57:24 pm   in: Legal Employment
The vast majority never had to work in the first place, so they retire and live off their trusts until the end of their days. As with most of your takes, this is a bad take. There is an extremely small minority who come from this background. Lots of folks come from families that make senior associate level household income. It's good money, but they're not multimillionaire trust fund babies as a ...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 9:22:40 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I received an offer from BOP the week before Thanksgiving, about a day or so after I was designated as a finalist. But I declined the offer last week because I accepted an offer from a different component.
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Re: Describing Clerkship on Resume  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: December 5, at 9:11:33 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I don’t describe my clerkships on my resume and I’ve never run into any problems. I’d probably only bother if it’s a really specialized court or you did something really out of the ordinary (and maybe not even then). I'd say if you did something really extraordinary that's especially when you shouldn't describe it. Unless it's already public knowledge (and why would it be?), you'd be revealing co...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: December 5, at 8:26:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
Just from my law school section, folks have left big law and gone in-house, to smaller firms, federal government, state/local government, stay at home parenting, consulting, university/law school positions, started their own businesses (not law), working for non-profits, political campaigns... Like the other anon said, the lack of senior folks from the lower hiring classes of 2009-2013 are defini...
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: December 5, at 8:22:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
Second everything in here... record your time. The only time I ever write down my own time is if I screw something up along the lines of the forgetting to save a file example above, or sometimes when I’m working on couch at night watching tv.
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Re: Senior Year Grades: How Important?  
  by: hookem7   on: December 5, at 7:45:40 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I had a similar worry about this issue - GPA dropping 0.1 or so after fall senior year grades and after I had applied - and it wasn't an issue. None of the schools I applied to even asked for updated transcripts. When I "sent in" (aka walked across campus) final transcripts, nobody said anything to me.
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Re: License/past employment question  
  by: rcharter1978   on: December 5, at 7:25:21 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

burritotaco wrote:Yes, you should list it. No one is going to care.

This.
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Re: keker & van nest  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 6:58:28 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Is the firm becoming more of a patent firm than before? Anyone with inside info?

different anon: anyone know what the hours are like? or what their clerkship bonus is these days?
Bump...
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Re: Describing Clerkship on Resume  
  by: mjb447   on: December 5, at 6:48:57 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I don’t describe my clerkships on my resume and I’ve never run into any problems. I’d probably only bother if it’s a really specialized court or you did something really out of the ordinary (and maybe not even then).
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Re: Student loan payments: get advice and actual numbers here  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 5, at 6:39:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
I sincerely did not mean to create that impression, and I'm sorry if I did. But from a financial perspective it's way more reasonable to support a (legal) spouse for a lot of reasons. Being able to jointly file income taxes is a massive factor that comes immediately to mind. In the financial-advice thread, if something costs tens of thousands of dollars, it'd be irresponsible not to mention it. P...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 6:28:55 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Hey guys—wondering if anyone has received an offer from BOP yet. I’ve been designated a finalist but it’s been radio silence otherwise.
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Can you recommend a Virginia prep course for Essay/State exam ONLY?  
  by: midatlanticlawyer   on: December 5, at 5:56:03 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hey all,

I'm an attorney applying to VA using their "Option 3" which waives the MBE requirement. Was wondering if anyone would be able to recommend me a good course or set of materials for studying for the VA exam ONLY. I'll be doing state prep every day from 12/15 to 2/25.

Deeply appreciate any advice. Navigating all the different sales pitches has been harrowing.
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 5, at 5:40:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
Biglaw partner here - I also tell my associates to bill all their time - but I always end up noticing those associates who bill way too much considering the amount and quality of work they produce. It makes me suspect they are stupid or dishonest or both. Just some food for thought. There will always be those who are incompetent relative to their yearmates - law school grades have only so much (l...
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 5, at 5:34:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
Fair, but there's no way to make $190k without biglaw, and there's no other DoJ one can work for besides Trump's. Likewise, the vast majority of people with an opportunity to clerk for Kavanaugh don't have another option for getting into SCOTUS. Almost everyone with a BSF offer has comparable alternatives they could choose instead. There's not as much of a "hold your nose for an irreplaceable...
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Re: Senior Year Grades: How Important?  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 5, at 5:33:22 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
No, you won't have any offers rescinded because your GPA fell from 3.58 to 3.48.
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 5, at 5:30:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
You have to write down your time. If you start making a habit of writing down, for example, 20% of your time, 2000 billable hours becomes 2500 billable hours. Only time I’d voluntarily write down my time is when I knew I probably jumped down a rabbit hole and I knew it probably would be a rabbit hole before hand but did it anyway because I had nothing better to do. Sorry I obviously meant you hav...
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Re: Assigning Letters  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 5, at 5:29:01 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Yeah, I agree. I applied as a non-trad and didn’t include any undergrad prof letters, just one grad prof and two colleagues (who were both actually academics). Schools want to be able to assess your academic potential, and for the vast majority of applicants who are K-JD or no more than a few years out of school, an undergrad prof is the best person to do that. For other applicants, someone else ...
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 5, at 5:26:41 pm   in: Legal Employment
Totally, I understand this argument in theory, but don't the concerns voiced by people in this very thread disprove the claim that there "isn't an optics issue in the parts of the legal world where potential BSF associates operate"? Some of us *are* those people. Or have friends who are, who have expressed serious concerns about Boies's behavior, said they wouldn't work there, etc. I do...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 4:53:35 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Curious if anyone has received an offer from BIA? Designated finalist before the cut off date but to my knowledge my references have not been checked yet. Thanks. Got a BIA offer within a day or two of becoming a finalist. Had to turn it down a couple days later due to life-circumstances changes, which sucked. I hope you hear from them! Thank you for the information! Do you mind sharing if/when t...
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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 4:32:26 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I haven't heard anything; I'm anxiously waiting. This is such a long process.
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: Wild Card   on: December 5, at 4:20:50 pm   in: Legal Employment
The vast majority never had to work in the first place, so they retire and live off their trusts until the end of their days.
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 4:06:08 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Can anyone recommend a state to take the bar exam? There's a high volume of articles/blogs with answers that vary quite a bit concerning which state is the "easiest." From what I can gather, I should take the UBE in a state that receives the bar exam results sooner than later? Apart from that, there doesn't seem to be anywhere that I could sit for the exam where I would have an advantag...
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Re: Describing Clerkship on Resume  
  by: nixy   on: December 5, at 4:00:38 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I think it’s worth explaining the 6 month term, but in your cover letter not your resume (although if it’s that your judge is retiring or leaving the bench you could probably find a way to notate that briefly on your resume? I think it’s more natural in the letter though). I don’t think you really need to describe a clerkship - it’s fairly self evident and I definitely wouldn’t say anything about ...
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Re: Describing Clerkship on Resume  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: December 5, at 3:59:05 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Don't, you just list that you clerked, what court, what judge, where and when. Everybody knows what clerking generally entails.
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Describing Clerkship on Resume  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 3:55:43 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
How does one describe a clerkship on a resume? I know confidentiality is important, so how much can/should I say about what I do?

(This was anon because there was some identifying information at first, but I edited that out. Sorry!)
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: Neff   on: December 5, at 3:48:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
Just from my law school section, folks have left big law and gone in-house, to smaller firms, federal government, state/local government, stay at home parenting, consulting, university/law school positions, started their own businesses (not law), working for non-profits, political campaigns... Like the other anon said, the lack of senior folks from the lower hiring classes of 2009-2013 are defini...
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Re: Visit Timing  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 5, at 3:28:26 pm   in: Talk About Law School Visits, Open Houses, Admit Days
Many law school admissions offices have explicit policies about disregarding visits so as not to advantage wealthy/local applicants over everyone else. The rest don't care because it doesn't matter.

If you get waitlisted as a reverse-splitter I'd strongly consider an LSAT retake before anything else.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 3:21:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am a practicing attorney in Texas so I will be working full time while studying for the Florida Bar. What is the best online bar prep to take? Kaplan and Themis seem to stand out in my searches. T I was in the same boat... also a practicing TEXAS attorney who prepped and took the July 19 Florida exam. My MBE score was too old to transfer. So I took the full test. MBE & Florida portion. I bo...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 3:19:20 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Curious if anyone has received an offer from BIA? Designated finalist before the cut off date but to my knowledge my references have not been checked yet. Thanks. Got a BIA offer within a day or two of becoming a finalist. Had to turn it down a couple days later due to life-circumstances changes, which sucked. I hope you hear from them! Thank you for the information! Do you mind sharing if/when t...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 2:57:33 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I know of people turning down OCIJ because of where they got placed, and someone who accepted then reneged on a USAO gig. What specifically is giving you pause? (There are definitely reasonable bases for saying no, IMHO, especially now.) What are your other options? (Anecdotally, if you have a CR offer you probably have other choices.) What gives me pause is mainly geography - I'm a west coaster ...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 2:38:44 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:Curious if anyone has received an offer from BIA? Designated finalist before the cut off date but to my knowledge my references have not been checked yet. Thanks.

Got a BIA offer within a day or two of becoming a finalist. Had to turn it down a couple days later due to life-circumstances changes, which sucked. I hope you hear from them!
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: Sobriquet44   on: December 5, at 2:20:21 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Yeah, I don't think it's true. If you read the report on the California bar exam leak, you will see that there is alot of tension between the Supreme court and the Committee, essentialy the Supreme court is being more critical of their decisions and increasing oversight and the committee resents that. It is feasible that they would try to keep all determinations "in-house" as a way to cu...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: papermateflair   on: December 5, at 2:09:15 pm   in: Legal Employment
Just from my law school section, folks have left big law and gone in-house, to smaller firms, federal government, state/local government, stay at home parenting, consulting, university/law school positions, started their own businesses (not law), working for non-profits, political campaigns... Like the other anon said, the lack of senior folks from the lower hiring classes of 2009-2013 are definit...
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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 2:04:44 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Anyone heard from Philly?
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 2:03:47 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
As someone who also works for the federal government, I partly disagree with the above. Overall, sure. I follow policy set by others and I’m mostly fine with that because that’s my job, that’s what I’m there for. Other people get to set the policy. But I think there are some federal jobs where administration changes have more drastic effects than others, and I also think it’s fair to draw a line ...
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: Left Waiting   on: December 5, at 1:59:47 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I did not know about the shift in proof. That is interesting to know. I was told that there was a recent change in how the Committee operates and that a letter of reconsideration and appeal are considered the same now. However, I have always thought they were different as well. When I appealed and requested reconsideration though that was from the first denial, so that was easily two year a...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 1:41:24 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
As someone who also works for the federal government, I partly disagree with the above. Overall, sure. I follow policy set by others and I’m mostly fine with that because that’s my job, that’s what I’m there for. Other people get to set the policy. But I think there are some federal jobs where administration changes have more drastic effects than others, and I also think it’s fair to draw a line a...
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Re: Veterans' Board of Appeals  
  by: thriller1122   on: December 5, at 1:33:43 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:Hey all, know this is a very late bump BUT I just applied for this job. Anyone know the turn around time on interview offers? Thanks y’all!

Where di you apply for it?
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 1:23:45 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I know of people turning down OCIJ because of where they got placed, and someone who accepted then reneged on a USAO gig. What specifically is giving you pause? (There are definitely reasonable bases for saying no, IMHO, especially now.) What are your other options? (Anecdotally, if you have a CR offer you probably have other choices.) What gives me pause is mainly geography - I'm a west coaster ...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 12:52:24 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I know of people turning down OCIJ because of where they got placed, and someone who accepted then reneged on a USAO gig. What specifically is giving you pause? (There are definitely reasonable bases for saying no, IMHO, especially now.) What are your other options? (Anecdotally, if you have a CR offer you probably have other choices.) What gives me pause is mainly geography - I'm a west coaster ...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 12:33:27 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Can anyone recommend a state to take the bar exam? There's a high volume of articles/blogs with answers that vary quite a bit concerning which state is the "easiest." From what I can gather, I should take the UBE in a state that receives the bar exam results sooner than later? Apart from that, there doesn't seem to be anywhere that I could sit for the exam where I would have an advantage...
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Re: Veterans' Board of Appeals  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 12:28:54 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Hey all, know this is a very late bump BUT I just applied for this job. Anyone know the turn around time on interview offers? Thanks y’all!
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 11:49:45 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I know of people turning down OCIJ because of where they got placed, and someone who accepted then reneged on a USAO gig. What specifically is giving you pause? (There are definitely reasonable bases for saying no, IMHO, especially now.) What are your other options? (Anecdotally, if you have a CR offer you probably have other choices.) What gives me pause is mainly geography - I'm a west coaster ...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 11:45:30 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I know of people turning down OCIJ because of where they got placed, and someone who accepted then reneged on a USAO gig. What specifically is giving you pause? (There are definitely reasonable bases for saying no, IMHO, especially now.) What are your other options? (Anecdotally, if you have a CR offer you probably have other choices.) Not to completely change the topic, but do you know of people...
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: notinbiglaw   on: December 5, at 11:22:27 am   in: Legal Employment
You have to write down your time. If you start making a habit of writing down, for example, 20% of your time, 2000 billable hours becomes 2500 billable hours. Only time I’d voluntarily write down my time is when I knew I probably jumped down a rabbit hole and I knew it probably would be a rabbit hole before hand but did it anyway because I had nothing better to do. Sorry I obviously meant you hav...
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Re: Univ. of Virginia vs GW  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 5, at 11:19:54 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Going to GW means that your grades can cut off a wide range of other options, while a T13 can keep a lot of those doors open. Is it T13 or T14? Does it really make difference between those two? It's T13, because Georgetown's placement power lags behind Vandy, so it doesn't make any sense to categorize Georgetown as a "T14" while relegating Vandy to the "T20". Also, there's a s...
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: December 5, at 11:19:47 am   in: Legal Employment
To the extent that random media stories automatically create optics issues, that's unfortunate, because the media is in the business of exaggerating and people should really just assume that to be the case. But I still find it hard to believe that there's anything more than a negligible impact, unless it's a true bombshell that is recognized as such. Especially for an incoming associate, this isn...
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Re: Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 11:12:16 am   in: Legal Employment
Probably has something to do with the low higherings and firings post recession 8-10 years ago and normal attrition. I know a handful of senior associates who wanted less responsibility to spend more time with their young families and went in-house.

I know my group would kill for a senior associate or senior counsel lateral (or even two) but just can’t find anyone to fill the spot.
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 11:06:21 am   in: Legal Employment
Biglaw partner here - I also tell my associates to bill all their time - but I always end up noticing those associates who bill way too much considering the amount and quality of work they produce. It makes me suspect they are stupid or dishonest or both. Just some food for thought.
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: rcharter1978   on: December 5, at 10:43:40 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
To my mind a letter of reconsideration and an appeal are not the same thing. The letter of reconsideration is essentially you asking the commitee to review their own decision, while an appeal goes to a separate and independent body, the state bar court to review the commitees decision and the comitees decision is also not given any weight. Also, when you are applying you have the burden to show t...
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Re: Possible URM, non-traditional/international  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 5, at 10:32:07 am   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
1) If you genuinely consider yourself Mexican-American*, indicate as much and you will probably be considered a URM; otherwise, probably not, although your background is certainly interesting and that's a plus in either case. 2) Definitely do not ED anywhere A) I'd do more research into what the actual practice of law is like, because "international law" is a very vague aspiration that m...
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: Sobriquet44   on: December 5, at 10:26:18 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
To my mind a letter of reconsideration and an appeal are not the same thing. The letter of reconsideration is essentially you asking the commitee to review their own decision, while an appeal goes to a separate and independent body, the state bar court to review the commitees decision and the comitees decision is also not given any weight. Also, when you are applying you have the burden to show th...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 10:13:29 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Curious if anyone has received an offer from BIA? Designated finalist before the cut off date but to my knowledge my references have not been checked yet. Thanks.
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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 10:09:08 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Has anyone heard anything new yet this week? Anyone received an interview invitation yet? I know others mentioned early/first two weeks of December interview invites would be going out, thought I'd check in.
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: yespasscbx   on: December 5, at 9:58:48 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Moral Character Determination - Decisional Matrices
http://board.calbar.ca.gov/Agenda.aspx?id=15400&tid=0&show=100023476#10031177
Although it's claimed to be a DRAFT, I guess it's more or less a summary of the current practice.
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: papermateflair   on: December 5, at 9:45:25 am   in: Legal Employment
Agree with everyone here - do not cut your time, record it all. If you cut your time, partners can't know how much time you *actually* spent, and they can't give you guidance on how to improve. If they think it's a 2 hour project and you take 4 hours, they need to help you get to a point where you can do it in 2, OR they need to readjust their expectations. When you cut your own hours you aren't p...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 9:29:44 am   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone get any offers today?
Received an offer for DOJ OCIJ for my first choice court, and Celia said today was the first day they were sending out offers, with the bulk of offers come around 12/9. After the call, I also received an email and was given two weeks to decide. Best of luck to you all!

Congratulations! If you don't mind, could you say what your first choice court was?
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 8:57:42 am   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone get any offers today?
Received an offer for DOJ OCIJ for my first choice court, and Celia said today was the first day they were sending out offers, with the bulk of offers come around 12/9. After the call, I also received an email and was given two weeks to decide. Best of luck to you all!

Do you mind saying which court?
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Where Do All The Lawyers Go?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 8:45:28 am   in: Legal Employment
V10 associate here, and while I’m well aware of the firm business model, I can’t help but notice that there are only a (relative) “handful” of 5-6th years (even fourth years!) at every firm I get that people will lateral to other firms after a few years, but then in theory, shouldn’t there be a larger concentration of seniors as you go down the V100? I can’t imagine EVERYONE goes in-house. Kind of...
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: Left Waiting   on: December 5, at 7:47:18 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, thanks for the advice and discussion. To clarify, after the first determination I did appeal, but withdrew the appeal, when State Bar Counsel and the judge at the case management conference, recommended a letter of reconsideration (which I didn't know was possible at the time, but State Bar Counsel, explained the exception I noted in a previous post). I went forward with the reconsideration...
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Re: Graduating from Undergrad a Year Early  
  by: vviento   on: December 5, at 7:21:49 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hello,i'm facing the same problem and I have some questions. Since there are only academic grades for 2 years reported on my transcript now (2017-2018), I wonder whether I need to provide an additional explanation to LSAC, or whether I have to provide a certificate from my school to prove that I was allowed to graduate a year early and will get the bachelor's degree on 2020? Is there anyone can he...
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Re: Assigning Letters  
  by: nixy   on: December 5, at 7:12:00 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Yeah, I agree. I applied as a non-trad and didn’t include any undergrad prof letters, just one grad prof and two colleagues (who were both actually academics). Schools want to be able to assess your academic potential, and for the vast majority of applicants who are K-JD or no more than a few years out of school, an undergrad prof is the best person to do that. For other applicants, someone else m...
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: notinbiglaw   on: December 5, at 6:19:21 am   in: Legal Employment
You have to write down your time. If you start making a habit of writing down, for example, 20% of your time, 2000 billable hours becomes 2500 billable hours.

Only time I’d voluntarily write down my time is when I knew I probably jumped down a rabbit hole and I knew it probably would be a rabbit hole before hand but did it anyway because I had nothing better to do.
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Re: Univ. of Virginia vs GW  
  by: cavalier1138   on: December 5, at 5:28:49 am   in: Choosing a Law School
What if Georgetown gets pulled into the mix (I applied there but haven't heard back yet -- run with me on this assumption). Would I still have those open doors/additional options at Georgetown? As mentioned, Georgetown has a leg up on GW, but its placement lags behind the T13. More importantly, why are you still hyper-focused on schools in your immediate area? You're going to have to move for UVA...
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Re: Taking the oath  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 4:49:43 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Took the exam in July, and finally, today, got my letter from the Supreme Court advising that the Board recommended my admission. After the grueling investigation process, I feel I should also get top secret, NSA-level security clearance. I'm bummed out that I missed the October induction ceremony. No big deal for me, but my wife wanted the pomp and circumstance. Silly question: Are circuit court...
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Re: Visit Timing  
  by: Tom Reinhard   on: December 5, at 4:49:22 am   in: Talk About Law School Visits, Open Houses, Admit Days
I'm trying to be strategic with my law school visits. I sent in my applications mid october. At this point I can't attend any open houses because of my schedule, but I can do self guided tours. I have not received decisions yet, but my apps are complete. Should I visit now and send a followup for my file, or wait, see if I end up on waitlists (which is likely as a reverse splitter) and use the vi...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 4:46:56 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am a practicing attorney in Texas so I will be working full time while studying for the Florida Bar. What is the best online bar prep to take? Kaplan and Themis seem to stand out in my searches. T I was in the same boat... also a practicing TEXAS attorney who prepped and took the July 19 Florida exam. My MBE score was too old to transfer. So I took the full test. MBE & Florida portion. I bo...
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Re: Assigning Letters  
  by: dvlthndr   on: December 5, at 3:30:20 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I applied to law school a long time after graduating college. I didn't bother with college professors. Instead, I got my LORs from a grad-school mentor and two work supervisors. The emphasis on uGPA/LSAT is because the numbers get reported and it influences school rankings. But once you clear that hurdle, the question for a committee is what you "add" to the community and how you will ac...
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Re: License/past employment question  
  by: burritotaco   on: December 5, at 3:30:20 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Yes, you should list it. No one is going to care.
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Re: What's it actually like to practice at non-biglaw?  
  by: burritotaco   on: December 5, at 3:06:26 am   in: Legal Employment
I went in-house after year 3, but spent my entire career at non-biglaw firms in NYC. Coming from non-biglaw, I had a lot more substantive experience than others my class year (or higher) in biglaw. Lots of client contact (and some of my own clients), and many opportunities to work in various areas of law other than my firm's primary focus. It really helped build a solid foundation to move to a co...
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: burritotaco   on: December 5, at 2:52:53 am   in: Legal Employment
Bill for every single conceivable thing you ethically can. If it’s a problem, it’s the partner’s problem. And it’s often impossible to tell in advance whether you spent too much time on something. Billing is so subjective and so contingent on several factors that you should not worry about criticism, unless it’s a constant issue with multiple partners and multiple tasks. If that’s the case, then y...
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Re: Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: dvlthndr   on: December 5, at 2:34:29 am   in: Legal Employment
It might be a firm culture thing, but my advice is to record everything . It's your job to record your time, and it's the partner's job to write down the time if necessary. Partners may not like doing it for a variety of reasons (e.g., it takes effort on their part, and they might get dinged by the firm for writing down too much time and making inefficient use of the associates). But it's really n...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 2:18:58 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I know of people turning down OCIJ because of where they got placed, and someone who accepted then reneged on a USAO gig. What specifically is giving you pause? (There are definitely reasonable bases for saying no, IMHO, especially now.) What are your other options? (Anecdotally, if you have a CR offer you probably have other choices.) Not to completely change the topic, but do you know of people...
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Re: Assigning Letters  
  by: Dipsychus   on: December 5, at 12:37:37 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum

I did not include any LORs from college when I applied, which I think was the right move.
Could you say why it was the right move for you, especially given the stress placed on uGPA by admissions committees?
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Record All Time vs Self Write-Down  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 5, at 12:32:07 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm a 2019 grad who is two months into my regional biglaw job. When I first started everyone (partners and associates) vehemently told me "record all your time," "it's expected that you'll be very inefficient," and "never write-down your own time." Well, here I am two months later, and several partners have questioned why I took so much time on an assignment, saying t...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 4, at 11:53:58 pm   in: Public Interest & Government

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone get any offers today?
Received an offer for DOJ OCIJ for my first choice court, and Celia said today was the first day they were sending out offers, with the bulk of offers come around 12/9. After the call, I also received an email and was given two weeks to decide. Best of luck to you all!
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Re: Univ. of Virginia vs GW  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 4, at 11:38:02 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
As a wise man once said, Georgetown is a good school, but it admits too many students. There’s a substantial drop off in outcomes, statistically, from a school like UVA. (Georgetown is still well ahead of GW, for what that’s worth.)
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Senior Year Grades: How Important?  
  by: DetroitVSEverybody   on: December 4, at 11:13:46 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I was on the pre-health track (biology major) until pretty recently, and am taking my LSAT in January. My GPA is currently a 3.58, but after this past semester, it may go down about 0.1 (to a 3.4 something). I sent in my transcripts with my grades up to present (with the 3.58 GPA). If I don't send updated transcripts to my school until after I get my decisions (unless they request them of course),...
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Re: Student loan payments: get advice and actual numbers here  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 4, at 10:18:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
I sincerely did not mean to create that impression, and I'm sorry if I did. But from a financial perspective it's way more reasonable to support a (legal) spouse for a lot of reasons. Being able to jointly file income taxes is a massive factor that comes immediately to mind. In the financial-advice thread, if something costs tens of thousands of dollars, it'd be irresponsible not to mention it.
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Re: Univ. of Virginia vs GW  
  by: bciara96   on: December 4, at 10:18:04 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Going to GW means that your grades can cut off a wide range of other options, while a T13 can keep a lot of those doors open. Is it T13 or T14? Does it really make difference between those two? What if Georgetown gets pulled into the mix (I applied there but haven't heard back yet -- run with me on this assumption). Would I still have those open doors/additional options at Georgetown? Also does i...
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Re: Law 101?  
  by: enz2103   on: December 4, at 10:05:40 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
reading about the law before law school seems like a bad idea. Yeah, it's a bad idea. Pop-history-style books would be especially dangerous. Getting to Maybe is the credited response here because it's actually about doing well on law exams, and other than that I would not touch anything remotely related to the law before you step into the classroom. Read Dostoevsky or something. I will pass on th...
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Re: Character and Fitness: Accused Professional Misconduct/What is a suspension  
  by: nixy   on: December 4, at 10:02:58 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Ohhh, okay, I get it. Thanks for clarifying, I had never come across a system like that before.
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Re: Law 101?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: December 4, at 10:02:34 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum

reading about the law before law school seems like a bad idea.

Yeah, it's a bad idea. Pop-history-style books would be especially dangerous. Getting to Maybe is the credited response here because it's actually about doing well on law exams, and other than that I would not touch anything remotely related to the law before you step into the classroom. Read Dostoevsky or something.
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Law 101?  
  by: enz2103   on: December 4, at 9:55:42 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Have any of you guys/gals read Law 101: Everything You Need to Know About the American Legal System or The Legal Analyst: A Toolkit for Thinking About the Law?

Are these books worth reading before law school? I saw them on a few pre-law recommended reading lists, but I am hesitant because reading about the law before law school seems like a bad idea.
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: dbolous   on: December 4, at 9:36:25 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I am currently getting ready to take the LSAT. But I am very concerned about the moral fitness. I have a dine and dash case that got dismissed two years ago. I also got sued by the state of California for running an marijuana dispensary. However, the case the never end up going to trial. It was mostly a scare tactic to shut us down. Should I be concerned about the moral fitness application....
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 4, at 8:39:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
To the extent that random media stories automatically create optics issues, that's unfortunate, because the media is in the business of exaggerating and people should really just assume that to be the case. But I still find it hard to believe that there's anything more than a negligible impact, unless it's a true bombshell that is recognized as such. Especially for an incoming associate, this isn...
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Re: Character and Fitness: Accused Professional Misconduct/What is a suspension  
  by: cavalier1138   on: December 4, at 8:36:24 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
But getting back to your first question... Is this C&F question about a criminal proceeding, or is it asking about professional misconduct?
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Re: "2 Years of Experience"  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 4, at 8:36:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
As a 3L who traded up from a V50 to a V10 and had a V5 option, it's kind of late to trade up firms. Regardless, use your school's simplicity/job site or firm postings for 2020 associates to trade up. Any position that requires any years of experience is not applicable to 3Ls.
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Re: "2 Years of Experience"  
  by: 2013   on: December 4, at 7:57:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
If it’s biglaw, two years of experience usually specifically means two years of post-bar biglaw experience. I’ve met people who had to take huge class year cuts and come in as second/third years when they should’ve been fifth/sixth years because the firms they went to didn’t see their small/midlaw experience as equivalent.
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Re: Big Law - Law Clerk Salary  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 4, at 7:45:50 pm   in: Legal Employment

Tr3 wrote:Typically "law clerk" just means that you've not yet been admitted to the bar. I haven't heard of any biglaw firm paying less for law clerks. Your title should change after you get admitted.
Yep. Small/midlaw firms often do pay clerks (significantly) less, but a V50 NY BigLaw firm? No way.
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 4, at 7:29:28 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I know of people turning down OCIJ because of where they got placed, and someone who accepted then reneged on a USAO gig. What specifically is giving you pause? (There are definitely reasonable bases for saying no, IMHO, especially now.) What are your other options? (Anecdotally, if you have a CR offer you probably have other choices.) What gives me pause is mainly geography - I'm a west coaster ...
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 4, at 7:25:48 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
You're right that it's worth OPs time to get a second opinion, and if there is conflict maybe a third. Perhaps the ship can be righted at this point ...I think that would be great news. Thanks, rcharter, and FWIW I want to clarify that I also think you are right in saying it's likely a (steep) uphill climb trying to right the ship at this point. Even if the State Bar Court reviews de novo on appe...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 4, at 7:22:47 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Is anyone considering... turning down a DOJ offer? specifically civil rights? Because I am and I don't know if I'm being ridiculous or not. I interviewed with a different division, but I don’t think it’s ridiculous. If you have another opportunity that you’re more interested in pursuing right now, you should do it. The civil rights division isn’t going anywhere, they hire laterals, which I hear i...
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Re: "2 Years of Experience"  
  by: Wubbles   on: December 4, at 6:50:50 pm   in: Legal Employment
The time to trade up was probably in August to October so I would start coming to terms with the reality that you will probably be joining the firm you summered at at this point. In 2 years you can then take a stab at those jobs asking for 2 years of experience. As note not for the OP but for anyone coming across this in the future, you should mass mail firms in July (or as soon as you get an offe...
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Re: Deciding if the Law is for me: Work-Life Balance after Law School  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 4, at 6:44:31 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I should have been more precise - the 40 hour workweek + six or nearly six figures scenario from OP is what I was referring to. That’s why I said I don’t think it really exists without grinding for years. If you’re ok making very little, then maybe (tbh I’m at the point where I wouldn’t believe any employer that promised a hard cap at 40 hours, but I recognize I’m being a little cynical). Otherwi...
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Re: Big Law - Law Clerk Salary  
  by: Tr3   on: December 4, at 6:37:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
Typically "law clerk" just means that you've not yet been admitted to the bar. I haven't heard of any biglaw firm paying less for law clerks. Your title should change after you get admitted.
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Re: "2 Years of Experience"  
  by: papermateflair   on: December 4, at 6:25:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
As a 3L looking to trade up firms, I see a lot of biglaw positions requiring "2 years of experience." 1. Generally, does experience have to be post-bar passage, or do some firms include SA's, externships, etc.? 2. Generally, is this a hard cutoff at biglaw firms, or is it worth it to still apply at a 3L? Thanks. If my firm was looking for two years of experience, it would mean post-bar ...
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: rcharter1978   on: December 4, at 6:15:54 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I don't know what the standard of review is in CA State Bar Court. Since the initial determination is made after an "informal" conference, it is possible that there is a more lenient standard of review on appeal (technically the first "formal" proceeding) than "clear error". In any case, we shouldn't just race to assume that there's a "clear error" standard...
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: QContinuum   on: December 4, at 5:55:53 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I don't know what the standard of review is in CA State Bar Court. Since the initial determination is made after an "informal" conference, it is possible that there is a more lenient standard of review on appeal (technically the first "formal" proceeding) than "clear error". In any case, we shouldn't just race to assume that there's a "clear error" standard ...
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