Latest TLS Forum Posts

This page is updated every minute and includes all posts that do not require a login to view.

Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: October 2, at 6:15:35 am   in: Public Interest & Government
First off: Great that you're considering JAG. It sounds like you have the right attitude and are asking the right questions. Your background should make you very competitive for admission. Best of luck to you! My background: I was accepted to reserve JAG in Dec. 2023. Went through the year-long accessions process, including a lengthy medical waiver process for a previous ADHD diagnosis. Just got s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=31543

Re: Cornell Early Decision  
  by: nealric   on: October 2, at 4:47:59 am   in: What are my chances?
Chances probably aren't great until you get into the ~167ish range. Why can't you take the LSAT again? Is it that you can't, or that you don't want to? There's also nothing that says you must attend this cycle. If you have not put in at least 1,000 hours of work on the LSAT and taken it at least 3 times, you have more in the tank. Getting a high LSAT is the easy way to start a legal career compare...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=315897

Re: Lateral from In-House Finance (F100 Tech) to Bulge Bracket In-House Transactional Role  
  by: nealric   on: October 2, at 3:53:18 am   in: Legal Employment
Not as familiar with finance specifically, but the move doesn't sound like a huge step up in comp or responsibilities. Your work-life balance is currently acceptable (if not ideal), but it could very well be significantly worse at the other gig. Equity is a double-edged sword. It's not fair to compare bad year equity comp to a hypothetical bonus. Personally, I wouldn't make the move for less than ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315896

2025 Skadden/EJW/Etc. Fellowship Thread  
  by: gooaway7745   on: October 1, at 2:50:38 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
anyone heard back from Skadden yet?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315898

Re: SCOTUS Clerkship Movement?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: October 1, at 11:05:24 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Anyone heard of movement from KBJ? Her application deadline was about a month ago, so wondering if there’s been a first cut of sorts.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=313726

Cornell Early Decision  
  by:   on: October 1, at 8:50:52 am   in: What are my chances?
Hi! I have a 3.99 from a top 30 undergrad as an out of state student, but I have a 164. I'm wondering what my chances would be at Cornell law if I apply ED? My dream would be T-14 but I can't take the LSAT again this cycle. Does applying ED give me a slightly better chance? First gen law applicant so I have no idea how any of this works. Thank you in advance for any and all help you can give!!!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=315897

Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 30, at 2:05:26 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563480 time=1756509192 user_id=45852]
How is Niemeyer as a boss/clerkship experience?
[/quote]

Tough/cranky from what I’ve hears
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206083

Lateral from In-House Finance (F100 Tech) to Bulge Bracket In-House Transactional Role  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 30, at 11:36:03 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi all, Might have a potential lateral move from my current position to a vice president/assistant general counsel spot at a BB. Jobs: Am currently sitting in the captive finance subsidiary of a big tech company. Transactional finance role, very solid hours but subject to the quarterly sales cycle. Work directly with sales, finance, credit, accounting, compliance, etc. High volume, good complexity...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315896

Re: Should I Clerk Again?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 30, at 6:50:02 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Eons late, but the people here saying you’re not competitive for the uber selective district judges or even SCOTUS for that matter clearly went to H or Y, where an all-H transcript is essentially expected. For future SLS lurkers, you should know that 80% Hs is easily top 5%, and it’s not even a debate. At SLS, it’s virtually impossible to graduate with all Hs—only a handful have done it in the pas...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=314820

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 30, at 2:58:07 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Assuming that most hiring will pause during a shutdown right?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Highest-paying plaintiff firms for associates?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 29, at 8:16:33 am   in: Legal Employment
Dovel & Luner is the objective winner here. Bonuses have been as high as $700k, although it seems that comp can swing a lot depending on the year. Very small, very hard to get hired. Susman (although not a fully plaintiff-side practice) pays quite a bit above market as well. I know of several Kellogg and Susman associates who have gotten that as well. Lot of this is luck based on assignments. Cur...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315028

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 28, at 4:52:24 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563519 time=1758756113 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563499 time=1757372925 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563468 time=1756247977 user_id=45852]
Any updates on MDFL?
[/quote]

You don't want to work in MDFL.
[/quote]

Why not?
[/quote]

The office is a mess. Poor leadership, shady discovery practices, and draconian charging philosophy compared to other districts (even the other two districts within Florida).
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 28, at 1:57:31 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Anyone have intel on the recent NDIL posting? Number of positions, etc.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: jnewsham   on: September 28, at 10:17:18 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Hi TLS people. I'm Jack Newsham, a reporter for Business Insider, and I'm doing some reporting on working conditions for AUSAs and hiring for new AUSAs. I analyzed some LinkedIn data and I've done a couple interviews, but I'm interested in talking to people who are either going through the hiring process or interviewing candidates for AUSA roles. If you're ex-DOJ or previously went through the pro...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 27, at 3:25:32 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Cote recently posted. What is her management style? And how is Oetken’s assignment system more preferable than how other judges do it? Does anyone know anything about clerking for Buchwald or Marrero?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 27, at 10:19:20 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Tough to pick just one. People seem to really like clerking for Rakoff, Engelmayer, Abrams, Oetken, Furman, Koeltl and Cote (off the top of my head). Not Koeltl lol I would also remove Cote (who is a good judge, but can be a difficult person) and Rakoff who is a complete wacko now. These takes are wild. All secondhand info, but straight from the clerk grapevine: I know of one or two Cote clerks t...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 27, at 10:13:19 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I think this distinction in terms of “bands” can be helpful for future CA9 applicants, so will also chime in based on what I’ve seen from my T-14 for the “liberal” judges (or at least those who don’t necessarily hire through the FedSoc pipeline) Judges for whom top 10% is necessary but not sufficient: Fletcher, Friedland, Berzon, Koh Basically for the rest of the Dem-appointees, having good grade...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 27, at 8:35:09 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563532 time=1758921460 user_id=45852]


Rakoff remains an extremely well respected judge who still feeds, albeit much less often than before for reasons NYC clerks know.


[/quote]

You must be a Rakoff clerk.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: YLS clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 27, at 8:21:10 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I went to YLS and clerked on SDNY. It’s by no means guaranteed, and, in at least my chambers, we would have wanted to see pretty much all Hs on your transcript if you were applying on-plan after 2L.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315887

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 27, at 5:30:32 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Tough to pick just one. People seem to really like clerking for Rakoff, Engelmayer, Abrams, Oetken, Furman, Koeltl and Cote (off the top of my head). Not Koeltl lol I would also remove Cote (who is a good judge, but can be a difficult person) and Rakoff who is a complete wacko now. These takes are wild. All secondhand info, but straight from the clerk grapevine: I know of one or two Cote clerks t...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Applying to a second USAO while background check is underway with the first?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 27, at 2:06:05 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I know we’d be disappointed to go through the process and have someone bail at that point, but we’d understand why someone would do it. But again, this may be very office-specific. What counts as a final offer? An EOD date printed on DOJ letterhead and signed by the relevant DOJ HR people and also signed by the candidate? I don’t even remember what kind of letter I got when, but in the context of...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315894

Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 26, at 4:30:53 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
If a judge reposts their opening so it's at the top when you filter by date, is it fair to assume the judge is actively hoping for more people to apply? Or could it be attributable to some weird Oscar quirk? I wouldn't read into that at all. Oscar postings are sometimes originally posted with expiration dates and they get reposted sometimes when those elapse and the position hasn't been filled yet.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Re: Let's Talk 3rd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 26, at 4:27:42 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563523 time=1758802212 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563496 time=1757035613 user_id=45852]
who are the most well respected / smartest judges on the third cir?
[/quote]

Bibas, Ambro, Freeman, and Krause come to mind.
[/quote]

This is a good list.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206977

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 26, at 11:17:40 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Tough to pick just one. People seem to really like clerking for Rakoff, Engelmayer, Abrams, Oetken, Furman, Koeltl and Cote (off the top of my head). Not Koeltl lol I would also remove Cote (who is a good judge, but can be a difficult person) and Rakoff who is a complete wacko now. These takes are wild. All secondhand info, but straight from the clerk grapevine: I know of one or two Cote clerks t...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 26, at 7:20:13 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Who is the best judge to clerk for in SDNY? "Best" is fairly subjective and depends on what you are looking for. But generally-speaking if you are looking for a non fedsoc judge from what I have heard Oetken would probably be the favorite; seems like he manages clerk loads the best, is a great boss, very smart, well-connected, and is a fantastic writer. Engelmayer and Carter are probably tied for...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Applying to a second USAO while background check is underway with the first?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 26, at 2:37:43 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563525 time=1758805887 user_id=45852]
I know we’d be disappointed to go through the process and have someone bail at that point, but we’d understand why someone would do it.



But again, this may be very office-specific.
[/quote]

What counts as a final offer? An EOD date printed on DOJ letterhead and signed by the relevant DOJ HR people and also signed by the candidate?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315894

Re: Let's Talk 3rd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 25, at 4:13:13 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
who are the most well respected / smartest judges on the third cir? Bibas, Ambro, Freeman, and Krause come to mind. “Smartest” is tough; I think many of those judges are extremely smart, both the more notable ones like this answer lists and many who are not. Most respected in terms of their writing, I’d second this answer with a particular emphasis on Krause and Bibas (which is not a knock on the...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206977

Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 25, at 12:03:06 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Long time reader, first time poster. Becoming a JAG is an interest that has always been in the back of my mind, and before I take the plunge and apply I have some questions about which the group might have some insight. For my background, I’m a T14 grad, did a federal district court clerkship, spent several years at a V10 Biglaw firm in litigation, and for the past several years I’ve worked in a l...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=31543

Re: Let's Talk 3rd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 25, at 3:50:20 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563496 time=1757035613 user_id=45852]
who are the most well respected / smartest judges on the third cir?
[/quote]

Bove and (soon to be) Mascott
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206977

Re: Etiquette of Leveraging Interviews  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 25, at 3:21:49 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
This used to be a very common thing pre-virtual interviews when candidates had to pay to fly all over for interviews - if you got an interview with a judge in one courthouse, it was very normal to contact the others to say something to the effect of “I’m going to be at your courthouse on [dates] if you were considering me for an interview, I’d love to speak with you about your clerkship.” It didn’...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315895

Re: Applying to a second USAO while background check is underway with the first?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 25, at 3:11:27 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I recently received a tentative offer from a USAO that’s in a different state than the one I currently live in, and my background check has been underway for a dew weeks. This week a posting went up for an office in our home district, and I am really tempted to apply, knowing that I would choose the home district office (should I receive an offer) over my current offer just because of the locatio...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315894

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 25, at 3:08:47 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I’ve recently received a tentative offer from a USAO with background check pending. This job however would require my family to move states, which is doable but a major disruption to our lives especially since we have a pre-schooler. A posting just went up for another office in the district I am now—I would choose this one over the current offer, if given the choice—but I don’t know if I could/sh...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Let's Talk 3rd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 25, at 2:10:12 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563496 time=1757035613 user_id=45852]
who are the most well respected / smartest judges on the third cir?
[/quote]

Bibas, Ambro, Freeman, and Krause come to mind.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206977

Re: Etiquette of Leveraging Interviews  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 4:06:54 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
It comes off as presumptuous. There might be wiggle room if a similarly-situated judge in the same district gives you an offer, but you really want another similarly-situated judge in the same district and would take an offer from the second judge in a heartbeat. Also, don’t call Chambers asking for an interview (it won’t work in your favor).
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315895

Re: Let's Talk 3rd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 1:44:53 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563496 time=1757035613 user_id=45852]
who are the most well respected / smartest judges on the third cir?
[/quote]

Bove hands down
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206977

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 1:43:43 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Thoughts on Cote as a boss/clerkship experience in SDNY?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 1:21:53 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563499 time=1757372925 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563468 time=1756247977 user_id=45852]
Any updates on MDFL?
[/quote]

You don't want to work in MDFL.
[/quote]

Why not?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Applying to a second USAO while background check is underway with the first?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 23, at 7:06:35 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
lol I'm actually in the same situation



except I'm waiting on a final offer



here's hoping the govt shuts down forever
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315894

Re: Highest-paying plaintiff firms for associates?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 23, at 12:10:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563498 time=1757308640 user_id=45852]
Dovel & Luner is the objective winner here. Bonuses have been as high as $700k, although it seems that comp can swing a lot depending on the year. Very small, very hard to get hired. Susman (although not a fully plaintiff-side practice) pays quite a bit above market as well.
[/quote]

I know of several Kellogg and Susman associates who have gotten that as well. Lot of this is luck based on assignments.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315028

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 23, at 11:15:13 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Is anyone else still waiting on the written offer?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Etiquette of Leveraging Interviews  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 23, at 8:02:52 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I’d say it’s a bit presumptuous to reach out to your preferred chambers before you get an interview. (Unless you’re saying you already interviewed with the clerks? Couldn’t tell from your post. Even so, I’d wait for an invite from the judge.) Also, you should probably only reach out if you get an offer from the first judge. Reaching out after only an interview invite might read as presumptuous, as...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315895

Re: Food service/retail/minimum wage jobs on resume?  
  by: Deepak43   on: September 22, at 8:08:57 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hi, Including food service, retail, or minimum wage jobs on a resume is valuable because they show transferable skills employers respect. These roles often highlight reliability, customer service, problem-solving, teamwork, and the ability to handle pressure—qualities relevant in any career Even if the job seems “entry-level,” it demonstrates dedication and a strong work ethic. Recruiters apprecia...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=218976

Etiquette of Leveraging Interviews  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 7:51:32 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
What is the etiquette of using an interview invite from one chamber to nudge for a potential interview invite at another chamber, especially if the latter is where I prefer to work? Do I wait until I pass the interview with the clerks and get called back for an interview with the judge before reaching out to my preferred chambers? For context, both are circuit judges.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315895

Applying to a second USAO while background check is underway with the first?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 4:44:53 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I recently received a tentative offer from a USAO that’s in a different state than the one I currently live in, and my background check has been underway for a dew weeks. This week a posting went up for an office in our home district, and I am really tempted to apply, knowing that I would choose the home district office (should I receive an offer) over my current offer just because of the location...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315894

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 4:23:26 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I’ve recently received a tentative offer from a USAO with background check pending. This job however would require my family to move states, which is doable but a major disruption to our lives especially since we have a pre-schooler. A posting just went up for another office in the district I am now—I would choose this one over the current offer, if given the choice—but I don’t know if I could/sho...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Disability Civil Rights Law Anyone?  
  by: ashapiro1998!!   on: September 17, at 9:34:42 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Hello, I am a 0L looking for the best school to work on Disability Public Policy/Civil Rights. My goal is to ultimately work for a Disability Firm such as Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund, Disability Rights California, or a another policy think specializing in this work. I have also done a Disability law fellowship already at the Coelho Law Center at Loyola Law Los Angeles. The school'...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=315893

Columbia Law New Honors System  
  by:   on: September 16, at 7:10:22 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
I got a 3.83 GPA for 2024–25 and received Honors. Under the old system, the Kent cutoff was 3.80. So I'm just curious: does anyone know the High Honors cutoff for last year at CLS? If you can share your exact GPA (to two decimals) and designation, that’d help—thanks!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=315892

Re: Fund Formation - megafunds  
  by:   on: September 14, at 4:58:00 am   in: Legal Employment
Definitely. I started in a top-tier Investment Funds group covering everything from MFs to mid-sized funds, and most peers who wanted to move in-house after 3–7 years had no trouble doing so. If you can also spend some time in a transactional group such as M&A (nice to have but not mandatory), you should be well-positioned to make the move, so I wouldn't worry. Just make sure you want to do funds ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315878

Re: Leaving Clerkship Early?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 12, at 4:47:22 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Just want to wish you well. I had a tough clerkship and wanted to quit at times but ultimately stuck through it. I'm glad that I did. I know it feels so bad now, but I am sure you can make sixty days even if it feels impossible. Rooting for you no matter what—you did well enough in law school to get a clerkship, you got a job after, it is going to be okay and your career will be just fine.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315830

Re: Leaving Clerkship Early?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 12, at 9:23:27 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I quit my clerkship seven months early and it is the best thing I ever did. If you have other references, and especially if you have a job lined up, leave and never look back.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315830

Chicago Associates: do you drive to work?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 11, at 8:57:11 am   in: Legal Employment
Upcoming first year in Chicago wondering if it’s common for associates/partners to drive to work or take public transportation. Trying to decide if car is necessary
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315890

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 10, at 4:05:47 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Verbal (phone call) offers were made last week - waiting on written offers this week.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 10, at 4:05:16 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Verbal (phone call) offers were made last week - waiting on written offers this week.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: 2 and a half months since interview  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 9, at 5:24:31 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Did you ever hear back?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315868

Should I Try to Make this Move?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 9, at 4:42:06 am   in: Lateral Moves
I'm about 12 years as a lawyer, currently at at 30 attorney firm doing mostly construction litigation and some other real estate related ligation (title defense, landlord-tenant, etc.) as well as some business disputes/general collections work. The firm has a great reputation in the region. In the last year I made $155K with bonuses, which includes a 10% origination bonus. 1800 billable hours per ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=315889

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 8, at 1:08:45 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563468 time=1756247977 user_id=45852]
Any updates on MDFL?
[/quote]

You don't want to work in MDFL.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Highest-paying plaintiff firms for associates?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 7, at 7:17:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
Dovel & Luner is the objective winner here. Bonuses have been as high as $700k, although it seems that comp can swing a lot depending on the year. Very small, very hard to get hired. Susman (although not a fully plaintiff-side practice) pays quite a bit above market as well.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315028

Re: Bristow Question - Does Ideology Matter  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 4, at 3:32:30 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Any thoughts on how selective the Bristow cycle will be this year? Do we think they'll only hire MAGA types?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=314395

Re: Let's Talk 3rd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 4, at 3:26:53 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
who are the most well respected / smartest judges on the third cir?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206977

Re: Reneging & Relocating to a Smaller Market Post-Clerkship  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 4, at 1:35:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
The fact that you have an offer from a different firm will not be a problem. People interview lateral candidates all the time (i.e. actively employed by another firm); it's an at-will employment world.



If you have ties to this smaller market they will probably not read you as flighty. If you don't, there will probably be some skepticism.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315883

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 4, at 1:21:58 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Just got the offer call today! It was a brutal wait for sure
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 4, at 11:46:52 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Received verbal offer today
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Non-Traditional Clerkship Exits?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 4, at 4:10:15 am   in: Legal Employment
I've seen DE Chancery clerks go straight into consulting or I banking, but I can't imagine a regular Article III clerk having anything other than awesome legal skills to offer. Also, unless the clerk has previous lit experience, companies would hesitate to hire a clerk as in-house counsel. Probably not what you'd want to hear.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315888

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 3, at 8:24:20 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I'm finally throwing my hat in the ring and applying to be an AUSA. The question I have is about the length of my resume. It looks like USA jobs is accepting resumes that are two pages in length. For those of you who have been through this process, would you recommend that I use all two pages, or try to keep things in a single page?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 3, at 2:49:44 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Thank you. I’ll be honest, it’ll be much sooner than the three-year mark. But I figure that the opportunity may not present itself for a long time. I don’t think this is a problem - people understand that you can’t control when openings arise. If you don’t have a lot of experience yet, you may be at a slight disadvantage if there are other more experienced AUSAs from elsewhere applying, but you’l...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 3, at 2:23:53 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Is the hiring process any different if you’re a current AUSA applying/interviewing for a position in another part of the country? As a current AUSA, I am aware of incoming vacancies in my hometown. Assuming that I could secure an offer, will I need to go through the background check process again? (I passed without any issues the first time, but I am just curious what my timeline will look like.)...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 3, at 2:18:25 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Is the hiring process any different if you’re a current AUSA applying/interviewing for a position in another part of the country? As a current AUSA, I am aware of incoming vacancies in my hometown. Assuming that I could secure an offer, will I need to go through the background check process again? (I passed without any issues the first time, but I am just curious what my timeline will look like.)...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 2, at 4:31:22 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Nothing here. It's been almost a month since the call about checking references.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Skadden/ W&C Rx  
  by: soft blue   on: September 1, at 2:50:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm in the market. Neither firm is at the top table (Davis Polk, Gibson, Kirkland, etc) or on the rung immediately below (e.g. Ropes, Kramer, Paul Hastings) - in each case, firms where restructuring is a really important part of the business and with a group that doesn't rely on someone else's cross-selling. W&C obviously has Lauria, but not sure what they've done lately outside Dish (which surely...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315885

Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 1, at 2:38:45 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
If a judge reposts their opening so it's at the top when you filter by date, is it fair to assume the judge is actively hoping for more people to apply? Or could it be attributable to some weird Oscar quirk?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Non-Traditional Clerkship Exits?  
  by: calripkenjrjr   on: September 1, at 10:24:50 am   in: Legal Employment
Any stories from people who finished a clerkship and ended up being employed somewhere *other* than a law firm or government? (Bonus points if the person had only previously worked at law firms or in government.) Interested in hearing about exits to business-side, landing in-house, doing policy work, entrepreneurial turns (starting one's own firm?), or even more dramatic career pivots. Want to jus...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315888

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 31, at 3:39:13 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I think this distinction in terms of “bands” can be helpful for future CA9 applicants, so will also chime in based on what I’ve seen from my T-14 for the “liberal” judges (or at least those who don’t necessarily hire through the FedSoc pipeline) Judges for whom top 10% is necessary but not sufficient: Fletcher, Friedland, Berzon, Koh Basically for the rest of the Dem-appointees, having good grade...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 31, at 11:15:57 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563468 time=1756247977 user_id=45852]
Any updates on MDFL?
[/quote]

Be careful when applying to USAO MDFL. They don't have the best reputation.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

YLS clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 31, at 8:49:41 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Is a NYC federal clerkship guaranteed for a YLS student? Do all who want SDNY/EDNY from Yale get? Are the odds better than Harvard or Stanford? Thanks.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315887

Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 29, at 1:13:12 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
How is Niemeyer as a boss/clerkship experience?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206083

Fried Frank Partner Comp  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 29, at 10:03:17 am   in: Legal Employment
Any intel on what partners make at Fried Frank? How does it change from first year vs 5 years into partnership? What is the partnership buy in amount?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315886

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 29, at 6:38:13 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563306 time=1753482227 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563301 time=1753460148 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563285 time=1753298803 user_id=45852]
That's pretty standard. I think W&C doesn't have a clawback? But they're the only ones I know of.
[/quote]

W&C = Williams? Or White & Case?
[/quote]

Williams & Connolly
[/quote]
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 29, at 3:40:22 am   in: Public Interest & Government
No word here following interview and reference check (3 weeks ago).
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: New York Law Course: Notice of Charges, Really need help!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 27, at 3:31:05 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hi!

Im also in the same boat, did you find a solution. Any information would be very helpful.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315735

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 27, at 2:52:36 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Any insight re: 9 openings at EDPA? Seems like a lot, even under the circumstances. And to post a specific high number is odd unless they want a deluge of applicants. In the past that office had an ongoing posting, similar to SDNY. I don’t know anything specific to EDPA, but there has been a ton of attrition all over the place. Their web page says they have about 140 attorneys, so 9 is a pretty s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Question for Trial Lawyers  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 27, at 12:23:18 pm   in: Legal Employment
Is there anything else I can do before I leave my current job? And would doing trials on the criminal side be as helpful if I want to eventually do civil trial work? Watch as many trials as you can. And yes, criminal trial work would be helpful. A lot of trial stuff is figuring out how to handle yourself in a courtroom and has nothing to do with the content of the law. Plus the same rules of evid...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315879

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 27, at 12:17:50 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Any insight re: 9 openings at EDPA? Seems like a lot, even under the circumstances. And to post a specific high number is odd unless they want a deluge of applicants. In the past that office had an ongoing posting, similar to SDNY. I don’t know anything specific to EDPA, but there has been a ton of attrition all over the place. Their web page says they have about 140 attorneys, so 9 is a pretty s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: V10 vs V100: What’s the difference? (Litigation)  
  by: AUSA3B   on: August 27, at 6:31:14 am   in: Legal Employment
It's a bit tough to say. The V-15 was an equity-only model whereas the V-65 has NEP model. My sense was that the V-65 was much more straightforward--though not easy, of course. Basically, work hard in a practice area, make the right partner connections, and after enough time (no up or out, so sometimes people would get promoted around year 15) make NEP, and hope to build a business. My other sense...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315876

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 27, at 4:50:13 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563461 time=1756136947 user_id=45852]
Does anyone know what Merriams hiring standards are?
[/quote]

Do not clerk for Merriam.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 27, at 3:24:02 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10558918 time=1718457364 user_id=45852]
Any updates? Has Kirkland matched the 125k?
[/quote]

No.



Edit: Can’t personally speak to this but I have been told they’ll go up if you have a competing offer.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: Let's Talk 8th Circuit!  
  by: CoalMiner   on: August 26, at 4:30:38 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10556551 time=1709770529 user_id=45852]
Anyone know why Judge Gruender asks for LSAT score? Is there a specific cutoff or is he trying to get other information from the LSAT score?
[/quote]

Judge Gruender did a talk with our fedscoc chapter. He's looking for 180s.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=207370

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 26, at 12:39:37 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Any updates on MDFL?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 26, at 12:31:56 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
No communications at all since the phone about contacting references 3 weeks ago.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Need help figuring out how to handle major mistake I made at character and fitness  
  by:   on: August 26, at 10:25:28 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I know how stressful it feels when a past mistake comes up during the Character & Fitness process. From what I’ve seen, the committee is usually less concerned with the mistake itself and more with whether you’re fully honest and show you’ve learned from it. At this stage, coming clean tends to work in your favor—it shows growth and accountability, whereas holding back can create bigger problems. ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=315789

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 26, at 10:04:39 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Any insight re: 9 openings at EDPA? Seems like a lot, even under the circumstances. And to post a specific high number is odd unless they want a deluge of applicants. In the past that office had an ongoing posting, similar to SDNY.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 26, at 7:43:33 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I haven’t received an offer yet, and the last thing I heard was they were calling my references. I know they called my references, because my references called me and told me they called them.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Skadden/ W&C Rx  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 26, at 5:41:16 am   in: Legal Employment
Wondering how are Skadden’s and White & Case’s restructuring practices currently perceived in the market compared to their peers? Are they seen as go-to shops for major matters, and what trends (growth, client base, deal flow, etc.) suggest where each practice is heading over the next few years?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315885

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 25, at 7:15:27 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Has anyone received an offer yet considering the fact that it's nearing the end of August now (which is around the time they said they would get back to candidates)?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 25, at 5:49:07 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Does anyone know what Merriams hiring standards are?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Texas Appellate Practice  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 24, at 8:09:45 am   in: Legal Employment
Texas probably has the largest specialist appellate bar outside of DC. A lot of Texas appellate practice focuses on state court tort/commercial work versus federal work so it’s a quite different world though. Look at the Chambers rankings. You don’t necessarily need superstar credentials unlike in DC appeals but you may not make market salary. Part of this is because of Texas mandamus practice. Y...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=314849

Big Law to FBI Special Agent  
  by: detroitlegallion   on: August 24, at 5:09:26 am   in: Alternative Careers
Has anyone transitioned from Big Law practice to being an FBI special agent? What was taking the pay cut like? Did you have a family and kids when you made the switch? Do you enjoy it?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=315884

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 23, at 4:11:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone know what SCOTUS bonuses look like right now?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 23, at 2:16:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=nukemind post_id=10563328 time=1753743458 user_id=210557]
Got a post 3L Job Offer for Big Law, got the offer letter today! It was hard and I actually did an extra degree while in law school... but so worth it and am going to be doing something I am passionate about. Was way below median at a T20 1L.
[/quote]

Passionate about biglaw? :roll:
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=192753

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 23, at 7:15:27 am   in: Legal Employment
If I'm about to start should I ask about bonus increase or do I have basically zero leverage and thus should drop it.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 23, at 5:58:28 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563303 time=1753467689 user_id=45852]
Has any other v10/20 firm other than Latham, Kirkland and Cravath increased their bonus? Seems like GDC, STB, PW and the others did not.
[/quote]

Cleary raised to $125k.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: V10 vs V100: What’s the difference? (Litigation)  
  by: crossexamination   on: August 23, at 4:45:45 am   in: Legal Employment
I started out at a firm that was V-15 at the time and then lateralled to a firm that was around V-65. This was 2016-2019 range. The V-15 had a more national practice, bigger cases, and a stronger national brand when I looked to lateral. Downside was lots of doc review and limited responsibility. The V-65ish was headquartered in the city I was working in, which was nice, and took on much smaller c...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315876

Re: Question for Trial Lawyers  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 22, at 6:56:52 am   in: Legal Employment
Hello All, I'm a BigLaw junior/midlevel. I plan to stay in this role for an additional 2-3 years for financial reasons. The ultimate goal is to be leave and work as a trial lawyer. Ideally, I'd be in a place where I do minimal motion practice and spend most of my time in trials (non-criminal). First, are there places like this? Second, besides asking for more trial-related experiences at the firm...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315879

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 22, at 4:45:46 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563432 time=1755281279 user_id=45852]
[quote=bunnyco post_id=10563392 time=1754677332 user_id=283842]
I was told interviews would continue through the end of August. No word on timing on final decisions/offers. Would love to know updates from other folks in the process. Fingers crossed!
[/quote]

Oh interesting. They told me that we would hear back in mid-August
[/quote]

I was told mid-August as well. I wonder how much longer it's going to be.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: V10 vs V100: What’s the difference? (Litigation)  
  by: AUSA3B   on: August 21, at 4:36:53 am   in: Legal Employment
I started out at a firm that was V-15 at the time and then lateralled to a firm that was around V-65. This was 2016-2019 range. The V-15 had a more national practice, bigger cases, and a stronger national brand when I looked to lateral. Downside was lots of doc review and limited responsibility. The V-65ish was headquartered in the city I was working in, which was nice, and took on much smaller ca...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315876

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 20, at 8:08:40 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Tough to pick just one. People seem to really like clerking for Rakoff, Engelmayer, Abrams, Oetken, Furman, Koeltl and Cote (off the top of my head). Not Koeltl lol I would also remove Cote (who is a good judge, but can be a difficult person) and Rakoff who is a complete wacko now. I'm a 2L so no special insight but Rakoff was my crim professor last year and was an exceedingly nice person with a ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Reneging & Relocating to a Smaller Market Post-Clerkship  
  by: peacherino101   on: August 20, at 2:57:31 pm   in: Legal Employment
After my 2L summer, I accepted a return offer from a biglaw firm in a fairly large market. The firm was great, but I did not enjoy living in a large metropolitan area. I was honest with the recruiter of my SA firm and told her I wasn’t sure whether I’d be back in (at the time) 3 years, but she assured me there would be no hard feelings if I decided to go another way. I am now halfway through my tw...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315883

Re: Question for Trial Lawyers  
  by: mardash   on: August 20, at 1:57:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
Unachievable. Even if you do wind up a “trial lawyer” you’re going to need to write motions, and not just trial briefs. How do you think you’re going to earn your way on to trial teams at your firm by being too good to do any of the lead-up work?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315879

Re: Question for Trial Lawyers  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 20, at 12:48:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hello All, I'm a BigLaw junior/midlevel. I plan to stay in this role for an additional 2-3 years for financial reasons. The ultimate goal is to be leave and work as a trial lawyer. Ideally, I'd be in a place where I do minimal motion practice and spend most of my time in trials (non-criminal). First, are there places like this? Second, besides asking for more trial-related experiences at the firm...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315879

Re: Incoming 1L seeking advice!!!  
  by: nixy   on: August 19, at 3:31:14 pm   in: Law School Courses
1L classes depend on your school. In many (most?) schools, your schedule is set for you and you simply don’t get to take anything else. Some schools do allow you to take one elective, sometimes only in spring semester, and often you choose within a selection of classes, not every class that’s actually being offered. If your school offers that, no reason not to do it, though probably ask around to ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=315871

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 19, at 3:19:31 pm   in: Legal Employment
Are FPDs taking people with no PD or public interest experience, but, e.g., some time in biglaw lit and two clerkships at the district and COA level? Or would that candidate still have to join state level PD and work their way up? My current district, the FPDs all had at least 10 years experience before getting hired, usually mostly state PD but also private criminal defense. But it’s a teeny tin...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 18, at 2:54:54 am   in: Legal Employment
Are FPDs taking people with no PD or public interest experience, but, e.g., some time in biglaw lit and two clerkships at the district and COA level? Or would that candidate still have to join state level PD and work their way up? Every office is different. My office reflected the local AUSA's. About 60-70% were line PDs; 20% were clerks/biglaw, the remainder were other (previous PI or something ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

What to expect for one year before clerkship  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 17, at 11:20:55 am   in: Big Law/Private Practice Jobs
I have a district court clerkship lined up from a year from now. How intense should I expect my first year to be? At a pretty large litigation “boutique” (it’s growing beyond the size of a boutique at this point) and I’m not sure if they’re going to grind me for the whole year, for it to be a somewhat chill year, or somewhere in between where I should expect some work to taper shortly before I lea...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=315882

Re: New York Law Course: Notice of Charges, Really need help!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 17, at 8:52:52 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi there, I am experiencing the same. Did you get any result so far? I haven't got any result and don't know how long this will take.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315735

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 17, at 6:15:53 am   in: Legal Employment
Are FPDs taking people with no PD or public interest experience, but, e.g., some time in biglaw lit and two clerkships at the district and COA level? Or would that candidate still have to join state level PD and work their way up?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

Re: DOJ Prior Drug Use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 17, at 2:50:53 am   in: Legal Employment
(I’m anon OP). To above user—interesting; aside from the e-quip maintaining the 7-year look back, did you gain any feedback on whether and how they will tolerate use falling within that window? Short answer: no. The powers that be never told me how they view use falling within that window. Long answer: no, but I am inclined to think that they will tolerate marijuana use that is not habitual/under...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315723

Re: How much does district clerkship help with circuit.  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 16, at 6:21:40 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
It can help substantially, especially if your judge goes to bat for you.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315874

Re: DOJ Prior Drug Use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 16, at 6:12:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
(I’m anon OP).



To above user—interesting; aside from the e-quip maintaining the 7-year look back, did you gain any feedback on whether and how they will tolerate use falling within that window?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315723

Re: How much does district clerkship help with circuit.  
  by: lavarman84   on: August 15, at 2:46:21 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I had a similar resume. Didn't get a sniff from a COA judge while in law school. The D. Ct. clerkship was a huge help for me, especially once I had a LOR from my judge. I ended up with four or five interviews and an offer within a few months.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315875

Re: How much does district clerkship help with circuit.  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 15, at 10:16:34 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
My circuit judge also looked to hire at least one district court clerk per cycle. If they hired someone who had a gap year after graduation, the judge would try to arrange for that person to clerk for a district judge for that gap year.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315875

Re: Let's Talk 7th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 15, at 10:14:17 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563428 time=1755227199 user_id=45852]
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/14/trump-taps-42-year-old-prosecutor-to-fill-seat-on-u-s-court-of-appeals/85668301007/



Sykes’s replacement has been nominated
[/quote]

Great pick
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206075

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 15, at 8:07:59 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote=bunnyco post_id=10563392 time=1754677332 user_id=283842]
I was told interviews would continue through the end of August. No word on timing on final decisions/offers. Would love to know updates from other folks in the process. Fingers crossed!
[/quote]

Oh interesting. They told me that we would hear back in mid-August
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: How much does district clerkship help with circuit.  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 15, at 7:31:58 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
My circuit judge liked district court clerkships and state supreme court clerkships. Didn't really care about the competitiveness of the district or state, but preferred SSC and district court clerks within the actual circuit.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315875

Re: How much does district clerkship help with circuit.  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 15, at 4:15:28 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
No one can ever say you will for sure get a circuit clerkship, but I think it makes you far, far more likely to get a COA clerkship than you were before the Dist. Ct. clerkship. Not many circuit judges who are open to non-T14 candidates tend to hire immediately from law school, but with the DC clerkship and summa-ish from a T25 I think you have about as solid of a shot as a non-T14er (or really T6...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315875

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 14, at 5:34:24 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Makes sense. So for those who have 1-2 P's by the time clerkship hiring rolls around but also maybe "only" 1-2 class prizes (so just a bunch of H's across the board), what's the highest you think they could realistically go for? I assume competitive for 2nd/9th and most/all non-feeders but what about something like CADC? Like at what point would you say it becomes sort of a "requirement" that a s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: Let's Talk 7th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 14, at 5:06:39 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/14/trump-taps-42-year-old-prosecutor-to-fill-seat-on-u-s-court-of-appeals/85668301007/



Sykes’s replacement has been nominated
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206075

Re: Question for Trial Lawyers  
  by: Lacepiece23   on: August 14, at 12:11:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hello All, I'm a BigLaw junior/midlevel. I plan to stay in this role for an additional 2-3 years for financial reasons. The ultimate goal is to be leave and work as a trial lawyer. Ideally, I'd be in a place where I do minimal motion practice and spend most of my time in trials (non-criminal). First, are there places like this? Second, besides asking for more trial-related experiences at the firm...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315879

Re: DOJ Prior Drug Use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 14, at 10:36:16 am   in: Legal Employment
I was hired very recently. They still haven’t removed the 7-year look back. (Last I checked, it hadn’t been updated as of this summer for any agency.)It takes forever for OPM to update anything.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315723

Re: Let's Talk 3rd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 14, at 10:10:31 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Seeing a Bove posting up on OSCAR 🤮
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206977

Re: DOJ Prior Drug Use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 14, at 5:43:45 am   in: Legal Employment
OP here, I'd like to bump this one more time.



I have one non-MJ experimental use, and 3-4 MJ uses, that are 5.5 years old, but technically "post-bar."
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315723

Question for Trial Lawyers  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 14, at 5:05:48 am   in: Legal Employment
Hello All, I'm a BigLaw junior/midlevel. I plan to stay in this role for an additional 2-3 years for financial reasons. The ultimate goal is to be leave and work as a trial lawyer. Ideally, I'd be in a place where I do minimal motion practice and spend most of my time in trials (non-criminal). First, are there places like this? Second, besides asking for more trial-related experiences at the firm,...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315879

Fund Formation - megafunds  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 13, at 9:30:36 am   in: Legal Employment
For those who represent megafund sponsors and are within a large fund formation practice, do you feel that you are gaining enough substantive experience to go in-house a few years in? I.e., are you seeing the same matters over and over and not working on substantive tasks/not working on a variety of matters, and feel ill-prepared to go in-house (as opposed to working on smaller client/smaller team...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315878

[Deleted - double post]  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 13, at 9:29:58 am   in: Legal Employment
[double post]
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315877

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: ambrau90   on: August 13, at 8:00:17 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote=Greenbabushka post_id=10563411 time=1755042047 user_id=189753]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563410 time=1755022831 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563382 time=1754590017 user_id=45852]
Tough to pick just one. People seem to

really like clerking for Rakoff, Engelmayer, Abrams, Oetken, Furman, Koeltl and Cote (off the top of my head).
[/quote]

Not Koeltl lol
[/quote]
Why not?
[/quote]

Different poster, but his clerks work late every day (8 or 9 pm) and have to come in every Saturday too. No idea how he is otherwise as a boss though.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 13, at 7:13:24 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I got the reference call about 2 weeks ago and also have not heard anything since
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Stay in house or take NEP/Jr. Partner position?  
  by: nealric   on: August 13, at 6:51:59 am   in: Legal Employment
Tough call. I think it really boils down to where you think your company is headed. If it's going down the drain, then the Biglaw offers look pretty good. If you think it could be on an upward trajectory, then it may be worth sticking it out. Base is pretty good for what sounds like a fairly chill fully remote job. One thought is that you should have some amount of warning if the company is in dir...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315873

Re: V10 vs V100: What’s the difference? (Litigation)  
  by: Lacepiece23   on: August 13, at 5:41:43 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563415 time=1755086287 user_id=45852]
Assuming both are on the Cravath/Milbank scale (equal pay), what’s the day-to-day difference between being an associate doing litigation work at a V10 firm vs a V100 firm?



Sure, PPEP/PPP are different — but what’s the difference in the day-to-day junior or midlevel associate experience?
[/quote]

More or less doc review. More matters vs less higher value matters. Less substantive opportunities.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315876

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 13, at 2:36:10 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563410 time=1755022831 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563382 time=1754590017 user_id=45852]
Tough to pick just one. People seem to

really like clerking for Rakoff, Engelmayer, Abrams, Oetken, Furman, Koeltl and Cote (off the top of my head).
[/quote]

Not Koeltl lol
[/quote]

I would also remove Cote (who is a good judge, but can be a difficult person) and Rakoff who is a complete wacko now.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

V10 vs V100: What’s the difference? (Litigation)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 13, at 1:58:07 am   in: Legal Employment
Assuming both are on the Cravath/Milbank scale (equal pay), what’s the day-to-day difference between being an associate doing litigation work at a V10 firm vs a V100 firm?



Sure, PPEP/PPP are different — but what’s the difference in the day-to-day junior or midlevel associate experience?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315876

Re: Might be the only clerk… am I screwed?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 12, at 4:35:32 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I had totally forgotten about career clerks--it's definitely a handoff from the exiting clerk, and if he has a career clerk that would explain it. Thanks, makes me less nervous for September.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315869

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 12, at 2:20:56 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Makes sense. So for those who have 1-2 P's by the time clerkship hiring rolls around but also maybe "only" 1-2 class prizes (so just a bunch of H's across the board), what's the highest you think they could realistically go for? I assume competitive for 2nd/9th and most/all non-feeders but what about something like CADC? Like at what point would you say it becomes sort of a "requirement" that a s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: Career prospects in workers’ compensation defense?  
  by:   on: August 12, at 1:47:25 pm   in: Legal Employment
Workers' compensation tends to be a pretty specialized area of practice. The compensability of a claim can turn on limited facts so if you just dabble in it, it's easy to get burned. The workers' comp bar, at least where I practice in Northern Virginia is pretty small. I probably know 1/2 of the active attorneys. The hours tend to be flexible on the claimant's side since everything is done electro...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=298591

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Greenbabushka   on: August 12, at 1:40:47 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563410 time=1755022831 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563382 time=1754590017 user_id=45852]
Tough to pick just one. People seem to

really like clerking for Rakoff, Engelmayer, Abrams, Oetken, Furman, Koeltl and Cote (off the top of my head).
[/quote]

Not Koeltl lol
[/quote]
Why not?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 12, at 8:20:31 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563382 time=1754590017 user_id=45852]
Tough to pick just one. People seem to

really like clerking for Rakoff, Engelmayer, Abrams, Oetken, Furman, Koeltl and Cote (off the top of my head).
[/quote]

Not Koeltl lol
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Stay in house or take NEP/Jr. Partner position?  
  by: Crazysnackaroo   on: August 12, at 2:34:13 am   in: Legal Employment
This is very much a personal decision and I'm not sure how much we can help you. If you're bored and want to jump and make more money, go for it. It sounds like you could secure employment fairly readily should the company go under or need to "restructure". I'm not sure I would personally jump ship until that time. 400k, fully remote at a gig you seem to actually like? That's pretty fantastic. 600...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315873

Re: Penn Law Honors  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 11, at 8:28:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
I've heard that some other law schools require a certain minimum percentage of graded credits to be eligible for Latin Honors. There isn't anything on Penn's website that suggests the school follows a similar rule, but does anyone know for sure?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=313429

How much does district clerkship help with circuit.  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 11, at 6:40:10 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Did not get any interviews with circuit judges this cycle, but I accepted a district clerkship in what I understand is a relatively competitive district. (Ndil/Cdcal/Edny). Top 1% at a t25 law school. Will having a district court clerkship significantly increase chances of getting a circuit interview? Or will judges still primarily screen by law school such that resume won't get pulled from the pi...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315875

How much does district clerkship help with circuit.  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 11, at 6:40:08 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Did not get any interviews with circuit judges this cycle, but I accepted a district clerkship in what I understand is a relatively competitive district. (Ndil/Cdcal/Edny). Top 1% at a t25 law school. Will having a district court clerkship significantly increase chances of getting a circuit interview? Or will judges still primarily screen by law school such that resume won't get pulled from the pi...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315874

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 11, at 3:09:57 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I got the reference call but have not heard anything since. Has anyone got an offer yet?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Stay in house or take NEP/Jr. Partner position?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 11, at 9:40:12 am   in: Legal Employment
TLDR: Should I give up my cushy in-house job in a tumultuous sector to go back to biglaw as a non-equity partner? Right now I'm the top legal executive at a small portfolio company in the renewable energy sector. For obvious reasons, recently the stability of smaller companies in this industry has come into question -- many shops are conducting layoffs, and there's a growing sentiment that small p...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315873

Re: 2 and a half months since interview  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 11, at 8:22:31 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Op here- you’re right, thanks for the feedback and sorry you’re also in the limbo boat! Do you feel like there’s still a chance for you? It’s weird to me to think that they would’ve have hired someone already but who knows I guess
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315868

Re: Debt finance/LevFi/Banking Outlook  
  by: hkvkhgvhjkv6   on: August 11, at 7:41:06 am   in: Legal Employment
Midlevel lev fin associate at a NY V5 here. I have seen several peers go in-house at banks. I have seen a lot more people go to other firms, sometimes to more general lev fin / cap markets roles than solely lev fin. I don't think I've ever seen anyone in my group go in-house at a company, a private equity shop or to a general corporate position. Lifestyle might depend on which side you're on (bor...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=311319

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 11, at 7:10:10 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote=bunnyco post_id=10563392 time=1754677332 user_id=283842]
I was told interviews would continue through the end of August. No word on timing on final decisions/offers. Would love to know updates from other folks in the process. Fingers crossed!
[/quote]

Calls to references post interviews have already gone out.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Public defense - appeals  
  by: Crazysnackaroo   on: August 11, at 1:47:52 am   in: Legal Employment
State SC isn't necessary. I can't speak for CA, but in the areas I've seen, it's generally for trial PDs who have been in the trenches for a few years who have decent writing. It will really vary by office though and State/County setup. Having a State SC couldn't hurt though!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315872

Public defense - appeals  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 10, at 6:15:21 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi all, I’m interested in becoming a state appellate-level public defender (ideally in CA but geographically flexible). It seems like a hard field to break into; any advice on doing so? E.g., is a State SC clerkship necessary? What other credentials are most valuable? I have a year of law school left.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315872

Re: District in Addition to Two Appellate?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 9, at 12:41:18 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563058 time=1750301647 user_id=45852]
Would be surprised if your firm kept the spot open but do you really care? Is this firm particularly important to you? If you're the type of applicant that can get this many bites from judges, I assume you'll have an easy time getting hired after your clerkships.
[/quote]
It’s not getting hired after the clerkships, it’s what to do in the year in between.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315829

Re: Is it joever for clerking dreams with a very bad 1L grade?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 9, at 12:39:03 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
The other thing to consider is applying after a year or two of working, so you will have all your grades and ideally they’ll have gone up, and your job performance will be taken into account as well. Judges who hire clerks out of the work force may be less grade-focused. Of course that can be logistically more annoying/awkward, so it depends a little on why you want to clerk and what else you want...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315865

Re: Might be the only clerk… am I screwed?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 9, at 12:36:30 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Is it possible that he has a career clerk and is only having you interact with the other term clerk, because that’s who you will be coordinating the hand-off with?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315869

Re: AUSA advice  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 9, at 12:34:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
Had many friends who were AUSAs. Totally depends on your district, but the most common path is ADA for 5-10 years and then jumping to the US attorneys office. Some USAOs also do SAUSA programs with local DA outfits to see if some folks would be a good fit. In offices Local DA's office to USAO is the tried and true, around 70% or so in the crim section are this. There will also be a group of JAGs ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315864

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 9, at 12:24:32 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563390 time=1754613490 user_id=45852]
Avoid applying to NDTX. USAO currently a complete mess - high attrition rate.
[/quote]

I think this is probably the case in many districts, if mine and the other ones I know are any indication.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Boies Schiller or Davis Polk (NY)?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 9, at 8:20:00 am   in: Legal Employment
BSF has been giving absolutely fucking insane bonuses in recent years so take that into consideration. Like mindboggling.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315809

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by:   on: August 8, at 8:22:12 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I was told interviews would continue through the end of August. No word on timing on final decisions/offers. Would love to know updates from other folks in the process. Fingers crossed!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 7, at 4:47:42 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563390 time=1754613490 user_id=45852]
Avoid applying to NDTX. USAO currently a complete mess - high attrition rate.
[/quote]

What about it is a mess?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 7, at 2:38:10 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Avoid applying to NDTX. USAO currently a complete mess - high attrition rate.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Might be the only clerk… am I screwed?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 7, at 2:34:27 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Did he say anything to imply you're replacing his current clerk or are you assuming that? It's fairly common to have one career clerk and one term clerk. Or the current clerk could be there for a two year term and you're replacing either a one-year term clerk or one who's term ended early for various reasons.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315869

Re: Is it joever for clerking dreams with a very bad 1L grade?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 7, at 2:28:44 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I didn't have any one very bad grade in 1L, but I did end the year below median by getting middling grades in every class except LRW, where I was below average (kind of an important class for clerking!). I'm about to start a clerkship with an Art III judge in two weeks. I had to clerk for a magistrate judge for a year first, but I got there. I turned my grades around in a big way 2L and 3L and boo...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315865

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: ninthcircuitattorney   on: August 7, at 12:00:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
I would second the FDP recommendation.



When I was there, in my first 2 months, I second chaired a 3 week federal trial and entirely handled a U.S. court of appeals oral argument.



I would average 1 first chair trial and 1 appellate oral argument per year. It's kinda impossible not to learn how to litigate a case there.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

Re: 2 and a half months since interview  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 7, at 10:51:51 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'm in the same boat—interviewed in late-May and haven't heard back. I wouldn't contact them. I've read advice from a few clerks about this situation, and the unanimous opinion is that reaching out can only be a negative because chambers knows you're still interested (i.e., affirming your interest isn't going to shift the needle in your favor), but can certainly come off poorly. I empathize with t...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315868

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 7, at 10:46:11 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Data point: People on Reddit are saying they have already received the reference-checking call.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Special bonus odds?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 7, at 8:53:39 am   in: Legal Employment
From my lips to god’s ears
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315867

Incoming 1L seeking advice!!!  
  by:   on: August 7, at 8:36:50 am   in: Law School Courses
Hey everyone, :D I want to ask about the available classes in Law School. I heard from some advisors that the first year of law school is just the foundations and that it is cut and dry. However, in your second year you become able to explore your desired legal expertise. Will I be blocked from choosing any other class or is it heavily advised that I don't choose any other classes? For instance, m...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=315871

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 7, at 8:06:57 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Tough to pick just one. People seem to

really like clerking for Rakoff, Engelmayer, Abrams, Oetken, Furman, Koeltl and Cote (off the top of my head).
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: top_of_the_bellcurve   on: August 7, at 6:38:48 am   in: Legal Employment
This list is quite long, though I'm not sure when it was last updated: https://hls.harvard.edu/bernard-koteen-office-of-public-interest-advising/private-public-interest-law-and-plaintiffs-firm-guide/ The following article isn't very long, but it's nice that p-side firms are getting some publicity now: https://leftsideofthev.substack.com/p/pay-transparency-comes-to-plaintiffs?utm_source=substack&ut...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

Re: 2 and a half months since interview  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 6, at 11:27:29 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
OP here. So it is the consensus I should not reach out to chambers? I’m just so curious if they hired someone and just haven’t told the rejected yet or filled the position on Oscar. It’s killing me
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315868

Resume Format Post Clerkship  
  by: Legal_Trout   on: August 6, at 8:40:54 am   in: Legal Employment
Am 2 years out of law school and about to start second fed. clerkship,(will be applying for jobs with 3 years of post-graduate experience) so cleaning up resume.



Do I start the resume with experience to highlight my clerkships first and put education at the bottom? Or keep education at top and then include experiences?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315870

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 6, at 5:34:41 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563357 time=1754264048 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563332 time=1753801100 user_id=45852]
Interviews are happening now!
[/quote]

Do you know someone who received an invitation to interview?
[/quote]

Yes, I interviewed last week. It was the usual panel interview!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: AUSA advice  
  by: Crazysnackaroo   on: August 6, at 2:30:44 am   in: Legal Employment
Had many friends who were AUSAs. Totally depends on your district, but the most common path is ADA for 5-10 years and then jumping to the US attorneys office. Some USAOs also do SAUSA programs with local DA outfits to see if some folks would be a good fit. In offices Local DA's office to USAO is the tried and true, around 70% or so in the crim section are this. There will also be a group of JAGs w...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315864

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 4:56:33 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Who is the best judge to clerk for in SDNY? "Best" is fairly subjective and depends on what you are looking for. But generally-speaking if you are looking for a non fedsoc judge from what I have heard Oetken would probably be the favorite; seems like he manages clerk loads the best, is a great boss, very smart, well-connected, and is a fantastic writer. Engelmayer and Carter are probably tied for...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Might be the only clerk… am I screwed?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 4:37:48 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I think I might know who this judge is... does the city name start with J? But yes, this is unusual af Starts with a T, and he’s a late Biden appointee. That’s strange. Does the judge handle a lot of stuff themselves? The upside is that you’re bound to end up quite close with that judge by the end of it. It’s a crim-heavy district and he’s an ex-AUSA, so maybe? Does the judge have two JAs? Or is ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315869

Re: Might be the only clerk… am I screwed?  
  by: lavarman84   on: August 5, at 4:01:26 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Does the judge have two JAs? Or is it possible the other clerk for this year left a little early?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315869

Re: Might be the only clerk… am I screwed?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 3:59:51 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
That’s strange. Does the judge handle a lot of stuff themselves? The upside is that you’re bound to end up quite close with that judge by the end of it.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315869

Re: Might be the only clerk… am I screwed?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 2:54:18 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I think I might know who this judge is... does the city name start with J?



But yes, this is unusual af
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315869

Might be the only clerk… am I screwed?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 2:23:09 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Onboarding for a clerkship with a non-senior District Judge in a pretty busy urban district in the South, and a lot of what the judge has said has implied that he only has a single clerk for the year (only mentioning that I should meet with his one current clerk, no mention of co-clerks, etc). This seems very abnormal—anyone have experience with being the only clerk for a full-time judge?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315869

Re: How to tell law firm I got a clerkship one year after my first year  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 2:19:11 pm   in: Legal Employment
They’re likely to look at it positively, particularly if it’s a judge in a district they regularly practice in/a COA judge (though really, any federal clerkship is good and they’ll want to bring you back). In this case, tell them whenever, they’ll be interested in taking you back. I did this with my V10 and they were absolutely fine with it. If you have a material reason to believe they might rene...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315828

Re: 2 and a half months since interview  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 8:18:27 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I agree the with previous commenter that it depends on the judge. I received an offer from my appellate judge about 6 weeks after a lengthy in-person interview. I had started to give up hope before receiving the call. So I wouldn’t presume anything at this point, even though 2.5 months is a long time.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315868

Re: 2 and a half months since interview  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 7:05:09 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Depends entirely on the judge
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315868

2 and a half months since interview  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 6:21:49 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I interviewed with a judge mid/ end of May, still no word. Did I just not get the position? Has anyone else waited this long and did get the position? (Or even got a rejection this late?)



In the interview, the judge did say it was really early on in the process and it could be a while



I shouldn’t call/ email chambers for an update either right?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315868

Re: Is it joever for clerking dreams with a very bad 1L grade?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 5, at 5:27:37 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
It’s not impossible. But I don’t want to sugar coat it: it will be more difficult. You should try to get your 2L grades up. Not at all impossible — I’ve heard of really big turnarounds 2L as people adjust to law school. You should also do one of (or ideally both of) two things: 1) apply very broadly and 2) focus on networking with professors / others with relationships to judges. Your clerkship of...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315865

Re: Special bonus odds?  
  by: nealric   on: August 5, at 4:57:39 am   in: Legal Employment
It's possible a few firms will do it, but I wouldn't get your hopes up that it will be widespread. You have some firms deferring start dates and the big money-making M&A side seems slower this year.



In general, the job market has slowed considerably putting much less pressure on employers to raise wages (or pay bonuses).
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315867

Special bonus odds?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 4, at 5:58:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
Milbank announced summer bonuses almost exactly one year ago (August 8, 2024). Will Milbank — or another comp leader — do the same again this year?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315867

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 4, at 5:27:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
Coming from a junior on the plaintiff side, I'd also highly recommend the plaintiff side for your goals. Charlie Munger once said: "Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome." The billable hour model and its incentive structure explains practically EVERY aspect of BigLaw. BigLaw is incentivized for juniors to bill hours. That's it. That means they have no incentive to give you substanti...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 4, at 4:08:10 am   in: Legal Employment
I chose not to return to my big law summer firm, instead going to a "boutique" firm on the plaintiff-side that handles big class actions in a particular practice field. I, too, saw the type of work being completed by the mid- and senior-level associates at the firm. While the more senior folks were starting to get good opportunities, I just didn't see myself sticking around for 5+ years to get to...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 3, at 4:34:13 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Is the hiring process any different if you’re a current AUSA applying/interviewing for a position in another part of the country? As a current AUSA, I am aware of incoming vacancies in my hometown. Assuming that I could secure an offer, will I need to go through the background check process again? (I passed without any issues the first time, but I am just curious what my timeline will look like.)...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 3, at 3:18:21 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Is the hiring process any different if you’re a current AUSA applying/interviewing for a position in another part of the country? As a current AUSA, I am aware of incoming vacancies in my hometown. Assuming that I could secure an offer, will I need to go through the background check process again? (I passed without any issues the first time, but I am just curious what my timeline will look like.)...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 3, at 2:43:33 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Is the hiring process any different if you’re a current AUSA applying/interviewing for a position in another part of the country? As a current AUSA, I am aware of incoming vacancies in my hometown. Assuming that I could secure an offer, will I need to go through the background check process again? (I passed without any issues the first time, but I am just curious what my timeline will look like.)...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 3, at 1:34:08 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563332 time=1753801100 user_id=45852]
Interviews are happening now!
[/quote]

Do you know someone who received an invitation to interview?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 3, at 6:59:37 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Is the hiring process any different if you’re a current AUSA applying/interviewing for a position in another part of the country? As a current AUSA, I am aware of incoming vacancies in my hometown. Assuming that I could secure an offer, will I need to go through the background check process again? (I passed without any issues the first time, but I am just curious what my timeline will look like.)
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 3, at 5:38:25 am   in: Public Interest & Government
So I take it if we didn't get an interview request but got the referred email, we didn't make the cut this round?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: C/O 2021 considering lateraling to NYC - do I have to retake the bar?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 3, at 4:59:50 am   in: Legal Employment
Basically title. My understanding is that experienced attorneys can become licensed in New York without taking the bar if they either: -have a passing UBE score not more than 3 years old; or -have practiced for 5 of the last 7 years. I passed the UBE in a non-NY jurisdiction in July 2021 and have been practicing in that jurisdiction for 3.5 years at this point, so I guess I'm both too experienced...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315768

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: top_of_the_bellcurve   on: August 2, at 7:40:53 am   in: Legal Employment
I chose not to return to my big law summer firm, instead going to a "boutique" firm on the plaintiff-side that handles big class actions in a particular practice field. I, too, saw the type of work being completed by the mid- and senior-level associates at the firm. While the more senior folks were starting to get good opportunities, I just didn't see myself sticking around for 5+ years to get to ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 1, at 5:03:10 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563332 time=1753801100 user_id=45852]
Interviews are happening now!
[/quote]

Has anyone who has interviewed in previous cycles received an interview invitation this cycle, or are they still doing the one-bite-at-the-apple thing that started when interviewing went virtual?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: When is it appropriate to move on?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 1, at 3:10:49 am   in: Legal Employment
OP again. Thank you to everybody who contributed. The other attys at the office essentially do the same thing as me--low-stakes hearings with at most a few hours of challenging substantive legal work every month. It seems the only way to move up in this agency is to apply for an opening when somebody higher up leaves. Then, another old-timer or somebody good at office politics gets the position. T...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315776

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: Anonymous User   on: August 1, at 2:19:43 am   in: Legal Employment
Federal Defenders. You are given a ton of responsibility, you have a huge stake in the cases, and it's incredibly good work. You'll lose a lot. I'd also suggest county PD work, but it can be a ton of work at times. Plaintiff side 1983 cases can also be very rewarding if you can find the right outfit, but you likely won't be first chairing things as quickly. Some PI gigs will be similar, local ACLU...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

Is it joever for clerking dreams with a very bad 1L grade?  
  by: letmein2thelaw   on: August 1, at 1:51:45 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
T6 with a few years of unique work experience. Have had a miserable year which capped off with getting a literal bottom of the class grade in one of my courses. Have since reviewed medical options for mental health and am planning to hit the ground running for 2L and 3L, but I was wondering if any ambitions of an Art 3 Clerkship are strangled in the grave. Other than the one class, got middling to...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315865

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 31, at 4:59:58 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Makes sense. So for those who have 1-2 P's by the time clerkship hiring rolls around but also maybe "only" 1-2 class prizes (so just a bunch of H's across the board), what's the highest you think they could realistically go for? I assume competitive for 2nd/9th and most/all non-feeders but what about something like CADC? Like at what point would you say it becomes sort of a "requirement" that a s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 31, at 2:05:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
The boutiques can be a mixed bag. Some (e.g., Selendy Gay) are litigation-only BigLaw shops and want to bill as much as possible, so they will tie junior associates up in doc review and tedious work. Others are leaner, and often, if they are not of the elite variety, will pay less but will allow juniors to do more substantive work. In terms of government, I would look at the NYS Attorney General o...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

AUSA advice  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 31, at 2:02:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
What advice would you give to an incoming litigation associate who seeks to become an AUSA in SDNY/EDNY?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315864

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: pooper   on: July 31, at 12:15:39 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Missed with a 3.661
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 31, at 11:26:42 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Makes sense. So for those who have 1-2 P's by the time clerkship hiring rolls around but also maybe "only" 1-2 class prizes (so just a bunch of H's across the board), what's the highest you think they could realistically go for? I assume competitive for 2nd/9th and most/all non-feeders but what about something like CADC? Like at what point would you say it becomes sort of a "requirement" that a s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: Skadden (NY) vs. Kirkland (NY) for tax?  
  by: Anon2468   on: July 31, at 10:13:32 am   in: Big Law/Private Practice Jobs
Skadden has a significantly better reputation in tax. You'll probably be doing the same kind of garbage work for the first two years at both (marking up docs), but Skadden does quite a bit of tax advisory work. I've only seen Kirkland on random PE stuff with very simple tax issues or the substantive non-drafting tax work was being outsourced to a big4.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=315846

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 31, at 7:12:56 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Who is the best judge to clerk for in SDNY?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 31, at 6:54:38 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
You are not describing the same person I am. if you actually do not know who I am referring to, you are effectively outing yourself as a law student (as a clerk would surely be aware of all of his past clerks). I also said *sometimes* significantly later. You're not describing any person. SJM has hired only five times outside the T20, only one of those hires (the one I described) could fairly be ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 31, at 5:03:17 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
You are not describing the same person I am. if you actually do not know who I am referring to, you are effectively outing yourself as a law student (as a clerk would surely be aware of all of his past clerks). I also said *sometimes* significantly later.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Substantive litigation positions for juniors  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 31, at 3:45:46 am   in: Legal Employment
I am wrapping up my first year of big law and heading off to a clerkship, so it's a good time to reflect on the beginning of my time in legal practice. There have been upsides - I really like the people I work with, I've found the internal culture of my firm to be nice and respectful, and the work/life balance has been much more manageable than the Internet had led me to believe (maybe this is jus...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315863

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 30, at 8:11:06 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563332 time=1753801100 user_id=45852]
Interviews are happening now!
[/quote]

Was it a one-way Hirevue interview or the usual panel interview with a group of managers?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Let's talk 6th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 30, at 7:45:19 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Any insight or word on Hermandorfer? She posted for 26 and 27 last week so maybe come in with her 25 group
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=205435

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 29, at 3:21:40 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Offer today. Worried about reputational impact from accepting during this admin…thoughts? What reputational impact? All new AUSAs start off doing guns, drugs, and CSAM cases for a couple of years. Depending on your office, you might also do some immigration crimes and human trafficking. Do you expect to start jailing high profile Democrats and making headlines the very first day on the job? Line ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 29, at 2:24:34 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Offer today. Worried about reputational impact from accepting during this admin…thoughts?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: Wild Card   on: July 29, at 8:00:02 am   in: Public Interest & Government
From reading the threads and stray posts here, I get the sense that there's not much mobility from the DC Superior Court. Like, people go into it hoping to convert to something else, and they're stuck there for 5-7 years or something. Not that it's a bad thing, if it's what you really want to do.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: Biglaw Litigation Hours & How to Adjust  
  by: nealric   on: July 29, at 5:12:32 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi all, I'm starting work as a litigation associate at one of S&C/PW/DPW in the fall. I'm no stranger to working long hours but I am curious about a few things: 1) For my morning people, what time do you go to sleep/wake up on average? And do you usually know when you'll be working late? In other words, if it's 10 and you're not expecting more emails (and you're done for the day), can you just go...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315861

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 29, at 4:58:20 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Interviews are happening now!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 29, at 3:45:41 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563316 time=1753650493 user_id=45852]
Referred emails were sent out but not sure what that means for writing sample requests or interviews. Good luck! I think there are a decent amount of spots to be filled!
[/quote]

The written statement was already collected from all applicants at the initial application stage this round.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: K&E Real Estate  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 28, at 9:58:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
Bump. Wondering if anyone has any updated info here? I’m in a different group in Chicago but heard there was a big exodus in the RE group again.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312571

Re: SCOTUS Clerkship Movement?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 28, at 5:07:00 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
The judges with the most feeds this year: Thapar (6) W. Pryor (4) Rao (4) Bibas (3) Katsas (3) Srinivasan (3) Sutton (3) Chhabria (N.D. Cal.) (3) Friedrich (D.D.C.) (3) Bress (2) Hardiman (2) Harris (2) Lohier (2) Boasberg (D.D.C.) (2) Engelmayer (S.D.N.Y.) (2) Furman (S.D.N.Y.) (2) Kovner (E.D.N.Y.) (2) McFadden (D.D.C.) (2) I wonder which judges have the most over a 3-4 year spell? I would assum...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=313726

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)  
  by: nukemind   on: July 28, at 12:57:38 pm   in: Legal Employment
Got a post 3L Job Offer for Big Law, got the offer letter today! It was hard and I actually did an extra degree while in law school... but so worth it and am going to be doing something I am passionate about. Was way below median at a T20 1L.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=192753

Re: DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 28, at 10:37:43 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Applied in Feb, first interview in May, second and third interviews in July.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 28, at 7:34:45 am   in: Legal Employment
Why would anyone be referring to White & Case
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 28, at 4:05:46 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Hello, congrats on the offer, would you mind sharing what your hiring timeline was like?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 28, at 4:05:34 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Hello, congrats on the offer, would you mind sharing what your hiring timeline was like?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: When is it appropriate to move on?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 27, at 6:46:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
I had a do nothing gig at DOJ. It was supposed to be an interesting/prestigious office that folks on here would probably rate highly, but for whatever reason I had only a few hours of substantively challenging work a month. I waited for things to improve for about 18 months and then made a move; I wasn’t ready to functionally end my legal career in my early 30s and just drone on for a paycheck. I ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315776

Re: DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: aristotle502   on: July 27, at 4:52:09 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Ultimately I would rather have the AUSA job because of the potential upward mobility, though in terms of day to day tasks I think I prefer my current position as I work exclusively on criminal appeals, which has always been my goal and I would be sad to leave it. The reason for the timeline complexity is that my spouse has a one year clerkship in my current location and will be returning to a DC f...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 27, at 2:24:25 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Hi would you mind sharing your hiring timeline for USAO-DC? I’m curious on how long it takes. Thx
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: Scrimble   on: July 27, at 1:16:28 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Missed cum laude with a 3.625
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 27, at 12:58:52 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Different poster. In the time I was around Thurgood Marshall and regularly interacted with clerks there, there were two Menashi clerks who were right-wing Twitter personalities, one from a T50, one from a T20, both without honors or maybe cum laude iirc. And then he also had a clerk who got SCOTUS. Mixed bag. He also used to just tell you if you talked to him about clerk hiring that he primarily ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 27, at 11:56:51 am   in: Public Interest & Government
What job would you rather have/do? Is there a reason you anticipate reapplying to be a DC Superior Court AUSA in a year or so? If you want the AUSA gig, then it’s worth quitting the other job after a short time (although don’t quit until your background check is resolved of course) - that is, if you feel like you have to stay where you are a “respectable” amount of time and then you’d try to go to...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 27, at 11:08:38 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Referred emails were sent out but not sure what that means for writing sample requests or interviews. Good luck! I think there are a decent amount of spots to be filled!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 27, at 11:08:13 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Referred emails were sent out but not sure what that means for writing sample requests or interviews. Good luck! I think there are a decent amount of spots to be filled!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 27, at 6:53:47 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I have seen this topic come up before but I am not sure if there is a consensus--what is the right time to express flexibility in class year as a clerk applying to BL lit roles, who does not care about it, at all? Two-year clerkship. Is a cover letter too early/desperate? Would this even helpful for facilitating movement, or is it a non-factor until negotiations? Any insight/opinions are appreciat...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Re: DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: Lawfully   on: July 26, at 4:13:53 am   in: Public Interest & Government
The advice is pick the one that’s going to make you happy. I don’t think there’s a wrong answer here. The USAO-DC Superior Court Division offers an amazing opportunity for those that want to pursue justice while gaining and employing trial skills. Alternatively, you must have resonated with the state appellate litigation position or you wouldn’t have applied for and taken it. Though, I can’t reall...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by:   on: July 26, at 2:54:09 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
Just to clarify — does this mean that all Latin honors have been released, or only Order of the Coif?

I'm at a 3.657 but haven’t seen any update yet.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: Appellate attorneys, how much brief writing are you doing?  
  by: Crazysnackaroo   on: July 26, at 2:07:19 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm no longer really an appellate attorney, but I was. When I was, I was probs writing around 2 substantive briefs a month for appeal. I also helped out a trial team with bigger motions (like writing the congressional history of something on a motion to dismiss). I'd typically work on 2-5 of those a month. I'd also be editing other briefs too. Usually was juggling about 5 of my own projects a mont...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315860

Re: Biglaw Litigation Hours & How to Adjust  
  by: Crazysnackaroo   on: July 26, at 1:56:33 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi all, I'm starting work as a litigation associate at one of S&C/PW/DPW in the fall. I'm no stranger to working long hours but I am curious about a few things: 1) For my morning people, what time do you go to sleep/wake up on average? And do you usually know when you'll be working late? In other words, if it's 10 and you're not expecting more emails (and you're done for the day), can you just go...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315861

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: Epg12345   on: July 26, at 1:56:25 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
For future reference, I got magna/coif with a 3.82ish. No idea if that was close to the cutoff. Good luck to the future gunners.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by:   on: July 25, at 6:51:18 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Just to clarify — does this mean that all Latin honors have been released, or only Order of the Coif?

At a 3.657 but haven’t seen any update yet.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by:   on: July 25, at 1:06:32 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
3.76 cum but not magna
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: zctqcjm   on: July 25, at 12:50:27 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I got magna/coif with a 3.82 for future reference
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 25, at 12:23:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563301 time=1753460148 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563285 time=1753298803 user_id=45852]
That's pretty standard. I think W&C doesn't have a clawback? But they're the only ones I know of.
[/quote]

W&C = Williams? Or White & Case?
[/quote]

Williams & Connolly
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: weejus   on: July 25, at 11:22:34 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
They're out in unofficial transcripts. Didn't get magna with 3.768, did get florence allen with a 3.783 last year. Had a bad feeling given how the cutoff has trended upward, but still disappointing but oh well. This is probably the most granular data point out there for future lurkers
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 25, at 8:24:37 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I have heard similar sentiments. His clerks don’t have the same qualifications as other CA2 judges and are picked for ideological reasons. His opinions tend to be ideological in nature as well. The NYC USAOs are above partisanship and don’t want political AUSAs. Almost all of the AUSAs who clerked on SCOTUS were for Roberts with a few for Sotomayor and Kavanagh. No ex Thomas clerks for instance. ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 25, at 8:21:29 am   in: Legal Employment
Has any other v10/20 firm other than Latham, Kirkland and Cravath increased their bonus? Seems like GDC, STB, PW and the others did not.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 25, at 8:11:25 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Hi! Congratulations. Would you mind sharing your hiring timeline? I applied earlier this year as well and I am curious on how long it takes to complete the process. Thank you in advance for anything you're willing to share.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 25, at 6:15:48 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563285 time=1753298803 user_id=45852]
That's pretty standard. I think W&C doesn't have a clawback? But they're the only ones I know of.
[/quote]

W&C = Williams? Or White & Case?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

DC Superior Court AUSA offer after starting at State DA’s office - worth it?  
  by: aristotle502   on: July 25, at 6:00:05 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Hi all! I just received an offer from the DC Superior Court to start as an AUSA in about two months. The problem is, I just started a job with a state’s attorney’s office as an appellate litigator a month ago after hearing nothing on my application for months. Now, I’m in a quandry - do I quit this job after only working there for three months because this is a great opportunity, or is this a stup...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=315862

Re: SCOTUS Clerkship Movement?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 25, at 3:45:19 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I heard a rumor that the SCOTUS clerkship bonuses are now between 700 and 800 grand. Can anyone verify that? It seems like an awfully sharp jump from 500 grand a few years ago.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=313726

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 25, at 3:08:13 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Different poster. In the time I was around Thurgood Marshall and regularly interacted with clerks there, there were two Menashi clerks who were right-wing Twitter personalities, one from a T50, one from a T20, both without honors or maybe cum laude iirc. And then he also had a clerk who got SCOTUS. Mixed bag. He also used to just tell you if you talked to him about clerk hiring that he primarily c...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Biglaw Litigation Hours & How to Adjust  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 25, at 2:58:13 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi all, I'm starting work as a litigation associate at one of S&C/PW/DPW in the fall. I'm no stranger to working long hours but I am curious about a few things: 1) For my morning people, what time do you go to sleep/wake up on average? And do you usually know when you'll be working late? In other words, if it's 10 and you're not expecting more emails (and you're done for the day), can you just go ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315861

Re: SCOTUS Clerkship Movement?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 24, at 10:43:27 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
New Lat list! Not a lot that's new. A great year for Chicago, and notably great feeding performances from Pryor, Sutton, Chhabria, and Friedrich.



A lot of OT26 hiring is done, and it looks like several justices have dipped into OT27 as well.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=313726

Re: SCOTUS clerk taking questions about federal clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 24, at 9:17:50 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Obviously grades matter a great deal for securing a clerkship with any of the 9 SCOTUS justices. Equally obvious is that there are other factors that matter a lot in addition to grades -- ideology, connections, personality, professional goals, etc. I'm curious, how would people rank the justices in terms of how grade-conscious they are/how much they insist on a platinum resume in every respect? A...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=230822

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 24, at 8:24:02 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Makes sense. So for those who have 1-2 P's by the time clerkship hiring rolls around but also maybe "only" 1-2 class prizes (so just a bunch of H's across the board), what's the highest you think they could realistically go for? I assume competitive for 2nd/9th and most/all non-feeders but what about something like CADC? Like at what point would you say it becomes sort of a "requirement" that a s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 24, at 7:33:29 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Does anyone know if Birotte in CDCA has moved? Oscar listing still open
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: Scrimble   on: July 24, at 6:25:49 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
[quote=weejus post_id=10563291 time=1753372266 user_id=264439]
[quote=Tesyakwow post_id=10563284 time=1753291438 user_id=237284]
I think with the diplomas being released the info is out but not sure. I was on the cusp of cum laude so guessing I didn't make it
[/quote]

I don't think so. My friends who were butlers/pomeroys hasn't seen anything either.
[/quote]

I agree because I don't think honors are listed on diplomas, right? I looked online and I only saw it mentioned that they're listed on transcripts.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: weejus   on: July 24, at 5:51:06 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
[quote=Tesyakwow post_id=10563284 time=1753291438 user_id=237284]
I think with the diplomas being released the info is out but not sure. I was on the cusp of cum laude so guessing I didn't make it
[/quote]

I don't think so. My friends who were butlers/pomeroys hasn't seen anything either.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 24, at 2:15:50 am   in: Public Interest & Government
How long's the preliminary background check take after you submit the SF-86? It's been 1 month since the TJO and they are still investigating something on my end. I was hoping it would be quicker since I am moving from a different federal agency that requires a higher security clearance than the USAO I am joining, but I guess that doesn't matter! Thank you. I was told 6 to 10 weeks, but I'm brows...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 23, at 8:56:09 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Makes sense. So for those who have 1-2 P's by the time clerkship hiring rolls around but also maybe "only" 1-2 class prizes (so just a bunch of H's across the board), what's the highest you think they could realistically go for? I assume competitive for 2nd/9th and most/all non-feeders but what about something like CADC? Like at what point would you say it becomes sort of a "requirement" that a s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Appellate attorneys, how much brief writing are you doing?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 23, at 5:10:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
For the appellate attorneys, I’m curious how much substantive writing you all are doing in your practice. How many briefs do you typically write in a year? What about oral arguments? And what kind of shop are you in? (private/government/etc., how many attorneys, region of country)
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315860

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 23, at 12:35:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
Is DPW still sticking to their 75/100 guns. Feels weird they would let themselves be outclassed by the other V10s given they ostensibly try to be a market leader on the comp.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 23, at 10:36:29 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Appreciate the responses! Looking at the current clerks (who are listed on the district website under each judge for some reason) they are all from this part of the state, so it's probably like the above poster said and the judges just strongly prefer people who plan to stay in the local community. The spot I got was only open because the judge's current clerk had to leave in the middle of a two y...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 23, at 9:26:43 am   in: Legal Employment
That's pretty standard. I think W&C doesn't have a clawback? But they're the only ones I know of.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: Tesyakwow   on: July 23, at 7:23:58 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
I think with the diplomas being released the info is out but not sure. I was on the cusp of cum laude so guessing I didn't make it
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: lavarman84   on: July 23, at 6:07:29 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Kinda neurotic question, but I would appreciate any insight even if it's just to say I'm overthinking things! I'm at a T50 and landed a district court clerkship in a flyover district. I feel very fortunate b/c my school only sends ~5 students to federal clerkships each year (district isn't in the same state as my school), but I'm getting increasingly concerned because I can't seem to find any for...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Re: LEGAL SALARY DATAPOINTS  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 23, at 12:17:43 am   in: Legal Employment
- C/O 2016 - Special Sits desk at a bank - Base: 250k - Bonus: 450k (20% deferred stock) - 401k: 5% 1:1 match - Hours: 7-6, go out ~2 nights a week with clients til 8/9ish This is sweet. Can you give a bit of your background/how you got this type of role/give a sense for how accessible it is? Almost every big bank has ~1-3 people from legal backgrounds in this seat with the most common entry poin...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=258538

Re: PI-Interested Judges?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 22, at 3:40:58 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[/i] This seems like very strange advice coming from a clerkship office. I agree, OP's grades are in roughly the top 15% of the class. To be honest, outside of 5-6 judges like Srinivasan and Boasberg, there shouldn't be any judge that is completely out of reach due to grades, and for most judges those grades should put the OP in a pretty comfortable position. Assuming the OP has strong rec letter...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315761

Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 22, at 10:19:29 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Kinda neurotic question, but I would appreciate any insight even if it's just to say I'm overthinking things! I'm at a T50 and landed a district court clerkship in a flyover district. I feel very fortunate b/c my school only sends ~5 students to federal clerkships each year (district isn't in the same state as my school), but I'm getting increasingly concerned because I can't seem to find any for...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 22, at 8:19:06 am   in: Legal Employment
What is the typical clawback for this? A firm gave me an $125k offer for a one-year flyover district court clerkship but said there is a 2-year clawback. Is this something that is negotiable? I don't want to ask because it might imply that I am going to leave in a year (I am lol), but I am curious if this is something folks have successfully negotiated.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 7:08:00 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Kinda neurotic question, but I would appreciate any insight even if it's just to say I'm overthinking things! I'm at a T50 and landed a district court clerkship in a flyover district. I feel very fortunate b/c my school only sends ~5 students to federal clerkships each year (district isn't in the same state as my school), but I'm getting increasingly concerned because I can't seem to find any form...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Re: LEGAL SALARY DATAPOINTS  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 4:27:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563274 time=1753008309 user_id=45852]
- C/O 2016

- Special Sits desk at a bank

- Base: 250k

- Bonus: 450k (20% deferred stock)

- 401k: 5% 1:1 match

- Hours: 7-6, go out ~2 nights a week with clients til 8/9ish
[/quote]

This is sweet. Can you give a bit of your background/how you got this type of role/give a sense for how accessible it is?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=258538

Re: Clerkship Bonus Increase  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 9:11:37 am   in: Legal Employment
Apparently Latham matched Cravath. Not sure what this means for the boutiques, but assume the rest of biglaw matches.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315055

Re: LEGAL SALARY DATAPOINTS  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 12:45:09 am   in: Legal Employment
- C/O 2016

- Special Sits desk at a bank

- Base: 250k

- Bonus: 450k (20% deferred stock)

- 401k: 5% 1:1 match

- Hours: 7-6, go out ~2 nights a week with clients til 8/9ish
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=258538

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: Epg12345   on: July 18, at 10:58:31 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
Has anyone heard anything?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 18, at 10:04:51 am   in: Public Interest & Government
How long's the preliminary background check take after you submit the SF-86? It's been 1 month since the TJO and they are still investigating something on my end. I was hoping it would be quicker since I am moving from a different federal agency that requires a higher security clearance than the USAO I am joining, but I guess that doesn't matter! Thank you. I was told 6 to 10 weeks, but I'm brows...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 18, at 8:46:24 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Anyone have updates yet? I have not heard anything, although a current examiner told me they are aiming to move very quickly through this hiring cycle. Trying to stay optimistic.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=223986

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 18, at 4:57:23 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Anyone heard anything from USAO-DC?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: NYU Latin Honors  
  by: hopeatsunrise   on: July 18, at 4:13:06 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
Just called the Office of Academic Services. They said the person who does the GPA calculations is currently out of office, so latin honors won't be posted until at least next week.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301962

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 17, at 1:55:15 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Anyone heard anything from EDVA?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 17, at 11:31:11 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Makes sense. So for those who have 1-2 P's by the time clerkship hiring rolls around but also maybe "only" 1-2 class prizes (so just a bunch of H's across the board), what's the highest you think they could realistically go for? I assume competitive for 2nd/9th and most/all non-feeders but what about something like CADC? Like at what point would you say it becomes sort of a "requirement" that a s...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 17, at 11:19:56 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Careful taking advice from keyboard jockeys trading in rumors, not facts. Several recent SJM clerks were #1 in their class and he's the top feeder judge on CA2 (four clerks in five years) for a reason. Good luck getting an SJM clerkship without strong qualifications. The only thing "ideological" here is Anonymous User's ludicrous suggestion that SDNY and EDNY won't hire Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, or...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Trump Judicial Nominees?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 17, at 10:42:38 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Mascott for a Delaware slot on CA3—it seems Trump is disregarding state connections for some appellate seats in states with two Democratic senators, which will make his nominees much more difficult to predict. Neither Mascott nor Bove are really connected to the states they were nominated for.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315596

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: pizzacat   on: July 17, at 9:03:57 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Makes sense. So for those who have 1-2 P's by the time clerkship hiring rolls around but also maybe "only" 1-2 class prizes (so just a bunch of H's across the board), what's the highest you think they could realistically go for? I assume competitive for 2nd/9th and most/all non-feeders but what about something like CADC? Like at what point would you say it becomes sort of a "requirement" that a st...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 17, at 8:23:45 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I have heard similar sentiments. His clerks don’t have the same qualifications as other CA2 judges and are picked for ideological reasons. His opinions tend to be ideological in nature as well. The NYC USAOs are above partisanship and don’t want political AUSAs. Almost all of the AUSAs who clerked on SCOTUS were for Roberts with a few for Sotomayor and Kavanagh. No ex Thomas clerks for instance. ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Post-clerkship recruiting timeline?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 17, at 8:03:19 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
What are the standard times of year for big law recruiting of clerks? I’m a spring cycle district court clerk (ending in late March).



What should I expect in terms of the timeframe for when firms will be open to hiring clerks for an April or May start date?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315857

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 17, at 12:32:01 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10563256 time=1752719501 user_id=45852]
How long's the preliminary background check take after you submit the SF-86?
[/quote]
It's been 1 month since the TJO and they are still investigating something on my end. I was hoping it would be quicker since I am moving from a different federal agency that requires a higher security clearance than the USAO I am joining, but I guess that doesn't matter!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Judges Who Hire 1Ls?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 16, at 7:41:09 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Sutton somewhat regularly hires 1Ls, often with only one set of grades, from Stanford. Not sure if he does the same for students from other schools
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315795

Re: Elite plaintiff-side boutiques paying close/at biglaw market rate  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 16, at 4:59:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=315848

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 16, at 4:31:41 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
How long's the preliminary background check take after you submit the SF-86?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 16, at 3:20:53 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Any insight on what percentage of H's from Y/S one would need to be competitive for a feeder like Fletcher? Everything in this thread says top 5% but no idea how that actually translates to H's / prizes. On a side note, if one had 100% H's / a singular P but no class prizes, are they competitive? Or are prizes basically a requisite to rank that high in the first place? It varies widely. For Fletc...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=226423

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 16, at 2:22:57 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
For the offices where you had multiple rounds, could you explain, broadly, how the first rounds and second rounds differed? Not the person you were asking, but fwiw, it’s pretty standard that you do an initial round, which is a panel interview with various folks in management/line AUSAs (often by video), and then a second round, in person, with the US Attorney. Basically, you can’t get hired with...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 16, at 1:49:51 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I have heard similar sentiments. His clerks don’t have the same qualifications as other CA2 judges and are picked for ideological reasons. His opinions tend to be ideological in nature as well. The NYC USAOs are above partisanship and don’t want political AUSAs. Almost all of the AUSAs who clerked on SCOTUS were for Roberts with a few for Sotomayor and Kavanagh. No ex Thomas clerks for instance. ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 16, at 1:49:42 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I have heard similar sentiments. His clerks don’t have the same qualifications as other CA2 judges and are picked for ideological reasons. His opinions tend to be ideological in nature as well. The NYC USAOs are above partisanship and don’t want political AUSAs. Almost all of the AUSAs who clerked on SCOTUS were for Roberts with a few for Sotomayor and Kavanagh. No ex Thomas clerks for instance. ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=206410

Re: Magistrate Clerkship Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 16, at 12:16:49 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
It's probably a very cool clerkship depending on what SNDY/EDNY USMJs get to do--varies heavily by district. But honestly, top 1% at GW/GM/Fordham or wherever I would keep shooting my shot with DJs (nationwide, including flyover) for another ~2 years. Work experience will be a big plus and probably push you over the top somewhere. The judges who hire early are the judges least likely to hire outsi...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=315854

Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 16, at 11:51:28 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Hello anyone with an offer/position willing to share their hiring timeline? Just curious applicant.... Sure. I had 3 interviews (and something tells me my timelines are highly unusual). USAO #1 “Referred to hiring manager” -> request for the first interview: 2 weeks. 1st round of interviews -> rejection: next day. USAO #2 “Referred to hiring manager” -> request for the first interview: 5 weeks. 1...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001