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Re: AUSA screening and past drug use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 22, at 9:52:18 am   in: Legal Employment
I would wait until you can honestly answer "no" to the drug use question within seven years. The interview isn't the issue, it's the OPM background check. They'll ask your friends about drug use, and then ask your friends to provide the name of other friends. I'm assuming that if you're caught lying on the SF-86, that you'll never be able to pass the background check? USAO-DC asks about ...
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Re: Life Sciences / Healthcare Regulatory Practice  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 22, at 9:46:58 am   in: Legal Employment
Anyone have experience moving to the government side (FDA, HHS)? How does the work compare to big law?
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Re: AUSA screening and past drug use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 22, at 4:24:42 am   in: Legal Employment
I have heard from several people, including two friends who are AUSAs in different districts, that post-bar drug use is an autoding.
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Re: Recruiters in San Francisco for in-house positions?  
  by: newbie2   on: September 22, at 2:36:16 am   in: Legal Employment
Thanks so much! I thought this would be the case too but it's still useful having this come from someone who went thru it. It would also be great if others could share their experience
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Re: AUSA screening and past drug use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 10:44:18 pm   in: Legal Employment
Honestly, I don't know if it will make a difference - like I said, I've led such a boring life, I haven't had to deal with it personally and it's never come up with anyone I know. My sense, from my conversation with my last interviewer, is that full disclosure with an explanation for why you used then and when you stopped and why and why you have no intention of using again, would go a long way, b...
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Re: T30 Bottom 50% URM. No-offered at OCI. Advice?  
  by: lavarman84   on: September 21, at 10:31:15 pm   in: Legal Employment
Biglaw probably isn't going to happen for you this summer. You can massmail and go for it, but that's just me being honest. If it doesn't, working in a government role in a niche field that biglaw handles might be your best option this summer. Getting biglaw as a 3L is very difficult and usually comes down to them needing attorneys for specific practice groups. If you can sell that niche experienc...
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Re: Full ride T10 with NO softs  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 21, at 9:40:22 pm   in: What are my chances?
Yikes, my bad. I’ve sorta been treating this page like reddit, posting whenever I felt like it and just hoping for some new insights every time. Just found out about user rankings, and am learning that a lot of people dedicate serious time on here. I’m more familiar with how the site works now. Sorry. No worries! Just wanted to let you know for future reference. Hope your application process goes...
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Re: Should I apply early or re-take  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 21, at 9:34:01 pm   in: What are my chances?
I just finished the September LSAT test. My practice test ranged from 171-174 thus I modestly predict that my actual test score would be 169-170. Should I apply in October with my September score for whatever it is or retake in November and apply in December? (I missed the registration ddl for October LSAT because I am stupid.) Given your 3.87 GPA (I assume that's your LSAC-calculated GPA?), ever...
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Re: AUSA screening and past drug use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 9:30:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP here, thanks for the advice. Do you think this would be a big enough issue that I should hold off applying until seven years have gone by since the harder drug use? After thinking it over I realized it would really only mean waiting for a year. At that point I’d still have to admit to drug use within the past seven years, but it would be extremely infrequent marijuana use that ended several yea...
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Re: AUSA screening and past drug use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 8:26:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
In my experience, they didn't ask me directly about drug use in the interview, but they brought up the background check and told me that post-bar drug use would be a dealbreaker (keep in mind I applied fairly close to finishing law school, so I don't know if "post-bar" is a firm timeline for all applicants), basically I think to allow me to bail if that was going to be a problem. The act...
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Re: Bad Credit, SA Rescinded?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 8:24:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
While summer associates and attorneys are more than just clerical and are exposed to sensitive information, the law’s exemptions are not being interpreted broadly like that at all or at least not intended that way by the Commission, which issued an official interpretation guide to employers. In the first link below, it implies that only executive-level people at an employer would be exempt. I don’...
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AUSA screening and past drug use  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 7:45:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
Curious if anyone knows what to expect in terms of screening for previous drug use when interviewing for AUSA. I have done a fair amount of drugs in the past, including cocaine and LSD, but that was more than five years ago. I haven’t done anything since passing the bar and may have smoked marijuana once in law school but that’s about it. Will this be a problem?
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Re: Online Foreign Evaluation for NY Bar  
  by: advocate2000   on: September 21, at 7:35:05 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am not sure what you mean by when you say you cannot reply as you did not reach the required post count? Do you have an email id which you can be contacted?

Shivan wrote:
advocate2000 wrote:Please check your message inbox.

I did. Thanks. I'm unable to reply since I haven't reached the required post count

I filled out the Online Foreign Evaluation Form BTW!

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Re: Chances at T20?? 3.75 GPA 157 LSAT  
  by: cavalier1138   on: September 21, at 7:11:59 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Not great. Bump that score up to the mid-160s to give yourself a more realistic shot.
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Re: Should I apply early or re-take  
  by: cavalier1138   on: September 21, at 7:10:41 pm   in: What are my chances?
Wait until you actually get your score to make that call. If you underperform for your goal schools, then retake.
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 6:14:11 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not the end of the world. As others noted, you will need to check how it affects C&F and if you had any sort of other agreements with the firm on that sort of stuff. But I personally had a misdemeanor that I pled to middle of 1L and had no issues with my firm or C&F, know of another person from my T14 that had similar charges to what you're describing during 2L who also was admitted and i...
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Re: Bad Credit, SA Rescinded?  
  by: Vexed   on: September 21, at 5:03:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
Spoke with an attorney for a consultation about this issue last week and they were pretty sure firms in NYC are not allowed to pull your credit for employment purposes anymore given the Credit Check Law from 2015. Pretty sure biglaw attorneys fall in the exception for "a non-clerical position having regular access to trade secrets, intelligence information or national security information&qu...
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Should I apply early or re-take  
  by: yyfhailey   on: September 21, at 4:33:27 pm   in: What are my chances?
I just finished the September LSAT test. My practice test ranged from 171-174 thus I modestly predict that my actual test score would be 169-170. Should I apply in October with my September score for whatever it is or retake in November and apply in December? (I missed the registration ddl for October LSAT because I am stupid.) I heard people say that applying late means the school may not have en...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: FloridaLawyer2B   on: September 21, at 4:24:49 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

JustPass wrote:You passed the FL portion, and your not far away from passing the MBE. I have faith in you for February! I totally get it is frustrating, but honestly, I think you should celebrate passing one of the parts. That alone is a huge task. And you did it!

Yeah, that's a fair point I suppose.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: JustPass   on: September 21, at 3:08:46 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
You passed the FL portion, and your not far away from passing the MBE. I have faith in you for February! I totally get it is frustrating, but honestly, I think you should celebrate passing one of the parts. That alone is a huge task. And you did it!
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: whats an updog   on: September 21, at 3:08:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
The changes described above are already in full effect at my office. As a second year, I currently have a pool (~1:15). It's like flipping a coin every time whether I get what I need without further intervention or just giving up and doing it myself. I can use a partner's secretary for some stuff, and there is a huge difference in reliability. With the pool, it seems like a negative feedback loop ...
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Re: Best Real Estate Firm in NYC?  
  by: soft blue   on: September 21, at 2:33:43 pm   in: Legal Employment
Per friend practicing at NY real estate shop--assuming you mean land use/zoning rather than the corporate / financing, Fried Frank is likely best and Kramer Levin and Greenberg are also excellent. Skadden, PW, GDC are very good but a step below all the above though their finance/corp real estate practices are better than FF/Kramer/Greenberg.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: FloridaLawyer2B   on: September 21, at 2:17:35 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
So I finally got my letter from the Board today...

Part A - 140 (Pass)
Part B - 127 (Fail)

Overall failed, so I have to retake Part B in February. So frustrating....
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Re: Lawyers: What's Your Typical Day?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 2:13:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
Mid-level bk associate at one of the large debtor firms. As a mid-level, your role shifts from primary drafter/research to running particular workstreams and smaller-ish cases, overseeing juniors, and more deal-side work. Also calls, lots of calls. I'm staffed on a number of deals right now, two of which are near filing and one-creditor side matter, plus a number of older matters that still have ...
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Chances at T20?? 3.75 GPA 157 LSAT  
  by: Archer12345   on: September 21, at 2:00:29 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
I’m an AA Male with a 3.75 GPA and a 157 LSAT still in undergrad. What are my chances at T14? T20? ED to WashU?
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Re: Daily Life of an IP  
  by: dvlthndr   on: September 21, at 1:43:24 pm   in: Discussion of Practice Areas
Thanks for the extra details. Do you think the income levels are higher enough to justify someone getting a JD if all they wanted to do with the stuff that didn't require a JD? The only "stuff" you can do without a JD is patent prosecution. Salaries vary wildly, but an experienced patent agent with the right degrees is usually in the $100-125k range. By comparison, a full patent attorne...
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Re: New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)  
  by: JDB90   on: September 21, at 1:33:04 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is it OK to pause the video sometimes and/or rewind it? Nobody's mentioned if this is allowed or not. If you are taking the course you may pause and rewind, I didn't see anything in the instructions that say you cannot. If you rewind, you will need to rewatch the entire segment that you rewound, you cannot fast forward back to where you were. I think the only thing that the board reviews and will...
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Re: Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: Dipsychus   on: September 21, at 12:32:55 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Forgot to mention that I will certainly be mentioning, more than mentioning, in the application (personal statement), my strong interest in dual-degree programs available.
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Re: Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: Dipsychus   on: September 21, at 12:11:50 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I’m grateful for the pushback! And apologies if I sounded peevish. Some thoughts for now: — Not determined to take the GRE only, still figuring it out and will decide soon. — Yes, as to nixy’s point about approaching this whole process from an academic-ish PhD-type point of view. — The ETS calculator! It has a five-point margin of error, plus/minus. So, even if the calculator tells you that you ha...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: lavarman84   on: September 21, at 12:11:43 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I actually really like research and writing, and spending time by myself, and even so some days even I absolutely felt isolated and uninspired and missed human contact. Chambers can be very small and not always very social. But you also mentioned not knowing what you’re doing and feeling unprepared, and that’s also a totally real and legitimate thing. There’s a big learning curve to clerking, and...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: LaLiLuLeLo   on: September 21, at 11:57:34 am   in: Legal Employment
It sucks too, because a good secretary is a godsend. It's not like firms are axing all of their secretaries. They are just making the ratio make more sense. There is no need to have a 1:1 or 1:2 lawyer:secretary ratio anymore like there used to be 40 years ago. If the average legal secretary in a major market costs $100k (salary + benefits + other associated employment costs, like required square...
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Re: Plaintiffs Securities Litigation Lawyer Taking Qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 10:49:33 am   in: Legal Employment
... but at the end of the day I get to fuck up corporations. I like that. What are your thoughts re: the two common arguments against shareholder class lit, which I understand as follows: 1.) Really you're just hurting current shareholders (by reducing the value of the company), and it's unclear who wins there -- but the current shareholders are certainly innocent of wrongdoing. 2.) Shareholder c...
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Re: Best Real Estate Firm in NYC?  
  by: Res Ipsa Loquitter   on: September 21, at 10:44:53 am   in: Legal Employment
in NY the best RE group is fried frank.

other top groups include Skadden and Gibson Dunn
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 10:42:34 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
maybe try therapy. good news is you only have 10 months to go.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: whereskyle   on: September 21, at 10:35:15 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Part A Means Essay 1 (FL Con Law/Professionalism) - 38.7 Essay 2 (Real Property) - 30.5 Essay 3 (Crim Law/Const'l Crim Procedure/Juv Delinquency/FL Con Law/Evidence) - 50.8 MC 1 (FL Rules Civil and Crim Procedure) - 17.5 MC 2 (FL Evidence) - 17.3 MC 3 (FL Wills) - 17.7 Passed the MBE with a 137, failed FL with a 122 I got the same scores as you for FL and my raw score was a 151 and my scaled scor...
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Re: Lawyers: What's Your Typical Day?  
  by: Thom   on: September 21, at 10:14:50 am   in: Legal Employment
Mid-level bk associate at one of the large debtor firms. As a mid-level, your role shifts from primary drafter/research to running particular workstreams and smaller-ish cases, overseeing juniors, and more deal-side work. Also calls, lots of calls. I'm staffed on a number of deals right now, two of which are near filing and one-creditor side matter, plus a number of older matters that still have ...
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Re: Lawyers: What's Your Typical Day?  
  by: Thom   on: September 21, at 10:11:22 am   in: Legal Employment
I see mostly mid to big law and govt lawyer posts, which is great since those are the goal for most students, but I think that it's safe to say that experiences vary for some who get stuck on long term docreview assignments, appearance counsel, etc. Not the goal for most but the destination many end up in still. http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4490715#p4490715 http://www.top...
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Re: Daily Life of an IP  
  by: Thom   on: September 21, at 10:09:37 am   in: Discussion of Practice Areas
If you mean intellectual property with patents courts (includes copywrites and trademark I believe too) then the good news is the license is good nation wide (since it's own court) bad news is a very low pass rate on its own additional bar exam plus even lawyers need a STEM undergrad degree so for many it's already too late unless they backtrack a bit. I considered it myself at one point but my u...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: whereskyle   on: September 21, at 9:59:34 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Advice for those who did not pass: put 75% of your time into studying multiple choice subjects in this order: Florida procedure -> Evidence -> Business Entities -> Wills. Florida procedure is the only subject guaranteed to be on the Florida portion of the exam and it is nearly 20% of your grade. You should be able to ace it. All of the multiple choice subjects are Florida specific and unless u wen...
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Re: Best Real Estate Firm in NYC?  
  by: aliciacflorrick   on: September 21, at 8:37:25 am   in: Legal Employment
I know nothing about real estate, but Chambers compiled this list of the best firms doing real estate: https://www.chambers-associate.com/practice-areas/real-estate RE seems to cover many different kinds of work that not every firm is ranked in, so I’d just check on there to see if your desired sub-area pops up for any firm (e.g., RE finance). Then I’d check the firm’s site to see how many people ...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: 2013   on: September 21, at 7:48:13 am   in: Legal Employment
It sucks too, because a good secretary is a godsend. It's not like firms are axing all of their secretaries. They are just making the ratio make more sense. There is no need to have a 1:1 or 1:2 lawyer:secretary ratio anymore like there used to be 40 years ago. If the average legal secretary in a major market costs $100k (salary + benefits + other associated employment costs, like required square...
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Re: Recruiters in San Francisco for in-house positions?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 21, at 5:05:12 am   in: Legal Employment
In-house in SF here. Because most companies in-house here are tech, they're not that into recruiters. They don't need recruiters because they get plenty of applicants from Indeed/LinkedIn, etc. I'd just start applying. Ask around in your group re associates who have left and are in house and do some info interviews. You got this!!!
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: 64Fl   on: September 21, at 12:51:28 am   in: Legal Employment

RaceJudicata wrote:
nixy wrote:I have no idea why people feel compelled to grammar nit pick posts on internet message boards.

Seconded. Probably a joy to work with/for.

Thirded. It's petty and pedantic. This is an online message board, not a client email. It's also like c'mon we've all made their/they're or who/that etc. mistakes before. If you understand what the poster is saying, their grammar is good enough.
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: 64Fl   on: September 21, at 12:47:03 am   in: Legal Employment
It sucks too, because a good secretary is a godsend. It's not like firms are axing all of their secretaries. They are just making the ratio make more sense. There is no need to have a 1:1 or 1:2 lawyer:secretary ratio anymore like there used to be 40 years ago. If the average legal secretary in a major market costs $100k (salary + benefits + other associated employment costs, like required square...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: whats an updog   on: September 20, at 11:53:29 pm   in: Legal Employment
It sucks too, because a good secretary is a godsend.
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: nixy   on: September 20, at 10:19:48 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I actually really like research and writing, and spending time by myself, and even so some days even I absolutely felt isolated and uninspired and missed human contact. Chambers can be very small and not always very social. But you also mentioned not knowing what you’re doing and feeling unprepared, and that’s also a totally real and legitimate thing. There’s a big learning curve to clerking, and...
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Re: Georgetown OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 9:57:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
Obviously, it wasn't heinous for everyone, and we're glad it wasn't for you. But it sure was for a lot of people, so not sure how your pleasant experience helps. I never said my experience was pleasant. OCI can be grueling, point blank, and the fact is that(according to OCS) ~42% of OCI participants have not accepted any offers. But I wanted to provide perspective.I do not think it so obvious whe...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: lavarman84   on: September 20, at 9:51:24 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I actually really like research and writing, and spending time by myself, and even so some days even I absolutely felt isolated and uninspired and missed human contact. Chambers can be very small and not always very social. But you also mentioned not knowing what you’re doing and feeling unprepared, and that’s also a totally real and legitimate thing. There’s a big learning curve to clerking, and...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=303027

Best Real Estate Firm in NYC?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 9:41:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
?
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Re: Idea for a personal statement  
  by: cavalier1138   on: September 20, at 7:41:08 pm   in: Law School Personal Statements
I wouldn't. Surely something more interesting has happened in your life.
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Re: ROI  
  by: dabigchina   on: September 20, at 6:28:31 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
The law is a cruel, all consuming mistress. If you (1) have a viable career right now that you are happy with and (2) are couching your decision on whether to go to law school on ROI, I would say don't do it. You aren't going to be happy, even if you do get that 190k biglaw job. Take a look at the below thread to get an idea of how desperate people are to get out of the law. http://www.top-law-sch...
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Re: ROI  
  by: dvlthndr   on: September 20, at 6:21:12 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Salaries for law school graduates have a bi-modal distribution. About 20% of graduates will make $190,000 or so. Most others will make between $50-70k. There is very little in between. The same goes for law school scholarships. Some people get generous scholarship, but most wind up in crushing six-figure debt. Most law school students have no business being in law school. It's sad, but true. The v...
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Re: What are some exit options for Debt Finance and Project Finance?  
  by: SlightlyConfused01   on: September 20, at 5:58:31 pm   in: Legal Employment
As far as exit options, I've seen a number of my colleagues leave and do great things. Many (I'd say most) go in-house at one of our clients in the renewables/energy fields (think big gas, oil, solar, etc.). I've also seen people go to banks that we worked with time and time again, and most of those people found their respective banking positions based on their contacts and relationships during t...
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Re: Full ride T10 with NO softs  
  by: zoehr   on: September 20, at 5:43:46 pm   in: What are my chances?
OP: Please consider this an informal warning. We are always happy to help answer questions from 0Ls, but please respect other posters' time by 1) being honest (you don't have an official LSAT score yet, so don't pretend you do), and 2) refraining from making multiple duplicate threads (you aren't going to get different answers by making 3 or 4 different threads asking the same question). Yikes, m...
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Idea for a personal statement  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 5:30:14 pm   in: Law School Personal Statements
Would a personal statement about being denied from a law school a few cycles ago be cliche? Have worked at building my resume, but I just wanted to see what TLS thinks before I commit to the idea.
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Re: Plaintiffs Securities Litigation Lawyer Taking Qs  
  by: soft blue   on: September 20, at 4:50:01 pm   in: Legal Employment
... but at the end of the day I get to fuck up corporations. I like that. What are your thoughts re: the two common arguments against shareholder class lit, which I understand as follows: 1.) Really you're just hurting current shareholders (by reducing the value of the company), and it's unclear who wins there -- but the current shareholders are certainly innocent of wrongdoing. 2.) Shareholder c...
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Re: Plaintiffs Securities Litigation Lawyer Taking Qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 4:11:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks for doing this. I'm making a similar move in the very near future, so the die is already kind of cast but just wondering. 1) What made you decide to make the switch? 2) Even though you only made the move recently, are you happy with you decision? What are the main differences (assuming you came over from biglaw, sorry if this isn't correct)? What are the hours like? 3) What are your long t...
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Re: Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: nixy   on: September 20, at 3:55:39 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I think to the extent you’re getting pushback, it’s because you’re (understandably) raising a lot of questions about stuff that’s relatively well known (obviously not how the GRE is seen, but about law school apps more generally). I came to law school apps with some skepticism b/c I had experience with PhD admissions/programs and approached law school admissions as though it was (or should be) in ...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: nixy   on: September 20, at 3:37:38 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I actually really like research and writing, and spending time by myself, and even so some days even I absolutely felt isolated and uninspired and missed human contact. Chambers can be very small and not always very social. But you also mentioned not knowing what you’re doing and feeling unprepared, and that’s also a totally real and legitimate thing. There’s a big learning curve to clerking, and ...
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Re: What does C&F tell my old employer when they ask about a suspension? Do they call? Or just mail? (CA bar)  
  by: alittleconcerned   on: September 20, at 3:36:52 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
What's the purpose of you disclosing additional information? Is there a reason that you can't just say you mention the suspension followed by resignation and later reconciliation without adding a bit that could cause conflict with your former employer? because I had previously filed a complaint against the employer with a government agency. (I was young and felt righteous...dumb I know, but at th...
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Re: Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 20, at 3:36:17 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
No, not minimal studying or lack of focus or just "throwing it out there" last minute or as a bored URM (which I'm not). I'm talking about lots of work over two months for the GRE which I can use before Thanksgiving for the cycle, just not LSAT work for four months which I can use only in mid-January and only once for 20-21. Read into that what you will. Including the fact or "fact...
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Re: Re-Joining Firm After Clerkship?  
  by: dvlthndr   on: September 20, at 3:21:51 pm   in: Legal Employment
I can't think of a firm that would really hold this against you. Firms usually expect and encourage you to come back after clerking. In some very narrow set of circumstances they might refuse to give seniority for clerking (e.g., in a pure corporate group), or I think some firms have a policy against giving clerkship bonuses... But I haven't heard of firms icing you out entirely. Just tell your fi...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: sirggscott   on: September 20, at 3:21:38 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
No OP here. Definitely not a sadistic humblebrag. I know I've very fortunate to be where I am. I just don't feel the work to be inspiring. I don't feel drawn to it. Clerking is just so lonely. The days drag on and its hard to get to work. I try to motivate myself but its hard to pull myself together. I'm definitely aware there is some mental health issues going on. A few weeks ago I just started ...
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Re: Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: Dipsychus   on: September 20, at 3:15:56 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I question the idea of trying to hit a near-perfect GRE score with minimal studying (even if you did well in the past). Reading between the lines, my suspicion is that you are hoping to throw out apps last minute rather than applying next cycle. No, not minimal studying or lack of focus or just "throwing it out there" last minute or being a bored and vague URM (which I'm not in any case...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: york1614   on: September 20, at 3:13:52 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'm sorry that you're dealing with all of this right now, OP. You seem to be very self-aware about what's going on, including that it would be worthwhile to seek some counseling. Despite what everyone says about clerkships, I know that during stretches of my two, I was similarly unmotivated, uninspired, and found it hard to make it into work. And I don't think I was dealing with any particularly d...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 2:55:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
Got the official "no" email today. Already have my application in for the November board, but it feels like a waste of time without feedback. I totally agree espeically since I do not know what my interviewer wrote. If its any consolation, I basically resubmitted my April package to the September board without getting another interview and got selected. Especially if you feel like you'r...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: nativtracker   on: September 20, at 2:49:28 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
No OP here. Definitely not a sadistic humblebrag. I know I've very fortunate to be where I am. I just don't feel the work to be inspiring. I don't feel drawn to it. Clerking is just so lonely. The days drag on and its hard to get to work. I try to motivate myself but its hard to pull myself together. I'm definitely aware there is some mental health issues going on. A few weeks ago I just started c...
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Re: What does C&F tell my old employer when they ask about a suspension? Do they call? Or just mail? (CA bar)  
  by: albanach   on: September 20, at 2:41:26 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
What's the purpose of you disclosing additional information? Is there a reason that you can't just say you mention the suspension followed by resignation and later reconciliation without adding a bit that could cause conflict with your former employer?
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Re-Joining Firm After Clerkship?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 2:37:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm wondering if anyone can provide insight into what the culture is around working at a firm for a couple years, going to clerk for a year, and then coming back. I'm currently set to join a firm as a first year next year but I'm also planning to apply for clerkships for the 2022 term. I did indicate to my firm I was interested in pursuing a clerkship a couple years down the road, and others seem ...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: Wild Card   on: September 20, at 2:34:28 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I can't tell whether this some sort of sadistic humblebrag.
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 20, at 2:06:29 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I would add that quitting may have a negative impact even at OP's summer firm. Even if HR is willing to let OP start a year early, seniors who find out about OP's abbreviated clerkship (and they will... people talk) may come away with a bad impression. It's one thing to consider quitting early if the judge is abusive. But I would never support quitting a clerkship early just because one doesn't li...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: NoLongerALurker   on: September 20, at 1:59:17 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Don't do it. Grind through this. You got this. You'll regret it even harder and it will make everything feel even worse in hindsight if you don't grind this one out. I believe in you!
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Re: Hypothetical IRAC format. Need help. Please HELP  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 20, at 1:55:53 pm   in: TLS Class of 2020 Forum

cavalier1138 wrote:This looks an awful lot like you trying to get help on an assignment for class when your teacher told you to work on your own...
I second the above and so am locking this thread. OP, consider this an unofficial warning. TLS is not to be used in furtherance of academic dishonesty.
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Re: Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: dvlthndr   on: September 20, at 1:18:07 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I question the idea of trying to hit a near-perfect GRE score with minimal studying (even if you did well in the past). Reading between the lines, my suspicion is that you are hoping to throw out apps last minute rather than applying next cycle. If you can *actually* get a perfect GRE and have your application on file by November, I think you can take your chances and see what happens. The GRE is ...
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Re: Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: Dipsychus   on: September 20, at 1:15:42 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Great interview, from 18 months ago. Dean Zearfoss, Michigan Law. Four questions out of 10 on the GRE — and candid answers!

https://www.top-law-schools.com/interview-wi ... oss-umich/
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Re: Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: Dipsychus   on: September 20, at 1:12:37 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
PS: I did get into Harvard, pretty much as their very first pick, straight out of undergrad, for a PhD program, but which I didn’t finish. This could be seen as a big liability (conjecture) or a plus (also conjecture, no hard data, being in touch with academics, and being in their good graces, comes into play here).
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: RoddyAA   on: September 20, at 1:11:27 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi friends, I submitted my moral character app on May 14th. There's nothing that should hold up my application except for a low credit score. Do you think I'll be cleared before bar results come out on November 15th? If anyone wants to post their timeline of when they applied/got cleared, that would be super helpful! Have you received the notice of application completion? If not yet, you probably...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: ubersaurusrex   on: September 20, at 12:55:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
Got the official "no" email today. Already have my application in for the November board, but it feels like a waste of time without feedback. I totally agree espeically since I do not know what my interviewer wrote. If its any consolation, I basically resubmitted my April package to the September board without getting another interview and got selected. Especially if you feel like you'r...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 12:37:24 pm   in: Legal Employment
Got the official "no" email today. Already have my application in for the November board, but it feels like a waste of time without feedback. I totally agree espeically since I do not know what my interviewer wrote. If its any consolation, I basically resubmitted my April package to the September board without getting another interview and got selected. Especially if you feel like you'r...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 12:33:59 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any bets on when interview selectees are released? Im guessing the 25th or 26th.

HP interviews go out the afternoon of October 1.

Ahh, just saw the message on Avue. Thanks.
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Re: Military Law  
  by: ubersaurusrex   on: September 20, at 12:33:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
Got the official "no" email today. Already have my application in for the November board, but it feels like a waste of time without feedback. I totally agree espeically since I do not know what my interviewer wrote. If its any consolation, I basically resubmitted my April package to the September board without getting another interview and got selected. Especially if you feel like you'r...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: Pennoyer v. Meh   on: September 20, at 12:32:09 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
You also have the opportunity to use this clerkship to apply to other firms' corporate practices, rather than just taking your current firm at its word that you'll be able to switch.
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Re: Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: AJordan   on: September 20, at 12:12:51 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Still haven't seen any hard evidence that proves schools are actively using any sort of "conversion" metric between the test. To me, GRE has always felt, at best, like a way to get in some students with above-median GPAs who would otherwise not bother to take the LSAT. I also always kind of thought that GRE as an admissions metric was being used as a way to encourage more URMs into the p...
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Yet another GRE question... (score of 335-340)  
  by: Dipsychus   on: September 20, at 11:56:02 am   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I know, definitively, that I am much better at the GRE than the LSAT. And could potentially score 335-340 (with Writing score 5.5 or 6). Which apparently translates to a 175 or more on the LST. My GPA is 3.7. I know the overwhelming opinion in these forums is that, basically, take the LSAT. But here are some potential pros of GRE-only. And some cons? Pros (I think): 1. Familiarity with the test. N...
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What does C&F tell my old employer when they ask about a suspension? Do they call? Or just mail? (CA bar)  
  by: alittleconcerned   on: September 20, at 11:43:30 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I had a complicated end to an employment that involved me being suspended, and me resigning right on the spot. I have since reconciled with my employer and she said nothing negative will be said about me. My old employer says she thinks what's in the past is in the past, as in, she doesn't focus on that and is willing to be supportive of me now. The thing is, I am going to disclose a complaint I h...
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: September 20, at 11:43:07 am   in: Legal Employment
Seconding the response from above to find whatever the accepted Litigation Practice treatise is. In many states it's worth its weight in gold even if you're not trying to figure this out basically by yourself. For landlord-tenant work, there are often free resources from Legal Aid or similar organizations (intended to help pro se tenants, but which can be very helpful to you). Check the website of...
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Re: Bad Credit, SA Rescinded?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 11:31:13 am   in: Legal Employment
Spoke with an attorney for a consultation about this issue last week and they were pretty sure firms in NYC are not allowed to pull your credit for employment purposes anymore given the Credit Check Law from 2015.
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 11:00:24 am   in: Legal Employment

JOThompson wrote:Landlord-tenant is probably the easiest type of civil law to break into, unless we're talking some complex commercial situation. I would go for it. Those were the first kinds of legitimate civil cases that I took on as a solo, and it helped build my confidence for other areas.


Great thanks for your response!
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: JOThompson   on: September 20, at 10:57:02 am   in: Legal Employment
Landlord-tenant is probably the easiest type of civil law to break into, unless we're talking some complex commercial situation. I would go for it. Those were the first kinds of legitimate civil cases that I took on as a solo, and it helped build my confidence for other areas.
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Re: NY Bar February 2020  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 20, at 10:53:57 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thank you for your time. Any advice on a recommended bar review course? (I just found out that barbri would charge 3k for even repeat takers :O ). Themis has a pretty good UBE course. Themis was fairly new back in 2010 but their reputation has really come up in recent years and now they are viewed as in between Barbri and Kaplan quality-wise (they also charge in between Barbri and Kaplan, FWIW). ...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 10:52:51 am   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Any bets on when interview selectees are released? Im guessing the 25th or 26th.

HP interviews go out the afternoon of October 1.
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 10:49:33 am   in: Legal Employment
What's the nature of the case? If it's something complex, I'd probably refer it out. If not overly-daunting, it sounds like a good starter case as long as you have guidance. You are right that you need to start somewhere. When I was doing PI cases, one thing that helped me a lot was to refer medium-sized cases (with no referral fee) and ask to be passive co-counsel, so I'd get to see how to prope...
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: JOThompson   on: September 20, at 10:45:11 am   in: Legal Employment
What's the nature of the case? If it's something complex, I'd probably refer it out. If not overly-daunting, it sounds like a good starter case as long as you have guidance. You are right that you need to start somewhere. When I was doing PI cases, one thing that helped me a lot was to refer medium-sized cases (with no referral fee) and ask to be passive co-counsel, so I'd get to see how to proper...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 10:44:27 am   in: Legal Employment
Got my "No" email today. Will reapply Are you able to reach out to your interviewer for feedback? In addition, I know they say you are not required to re-interview, but are you allowed to do another interview with another SJA? The email said there would be an opportunity for feedback that would be announced via Facebook sometime between the November board and the April board. When you r...
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 10:42:51 am   in: Legal Employment
Honestly, I would be more worried about your future career with grammar like this: “does counseling for lawyers and law students that are in trouble.” Unless these are cyborg lawyers, then you are good. Definitely don’t offer this up to the firm unless there is an express policy that applies to Summer Associates. Just don’t repeat this same mistake and maybe during your summer just avoid alcohol....
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 10:40:23 am   in: Legal Employment
Op here... Thanks for the responses. I do have a couple mentors that I can go to for guidance. Also, I do have around 5 years of mostly transactional experience with some litigation experience. There is also not much at stake here (~$3-6k) if that makes a difference. I figure I need to pop my cherry sometime... But I’m also still considering whether I should just refer it out and stick to real est...
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Re: jobless 3L at T14  
  by: JOThompson   on: September 20, at 10:38:34 am   in: Legal Employment
OP have you looked in local gvmt jobs? The starting pay is terrible, but if you went to a T14 your school should offer good LRAP (in addition to public sector forgiveness) which will take care of the loan problem. The pay goes up fairly well after a few years, and the work/life balance is great. In my big city there are certain agencies that are always hiring and in need of new blood. If OP inter...
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Re: DHS Honors Attorney Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 10:34:03 am   in: Legal Employment
I applied, but have not heard back yet. I assume I'll get a phone call screener before being offered to interview. Obviously OP hasn't had an interview yet, but have you anything at all from DHS?

I applied to both OGC and potentially ICE, but made it clear I'd strongly prefer OGC. Did you select one over the other? Both?
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: JOThompson   on: September 20, at 10:32:20 am   in: Legal Employment
Consider finding experienced co-counsel or withdrawing. Ethically you may be required to not proceed with the case if you don't have a rudimentary, bare-bones knowledge of how to handle a civil lawsuit. And if you stay on the case, make sure you aren't billing your client for researching the basics that you should already know as a competent civil attorney. That may sound harsh, but it's a matter ...
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: tyroneslothrop1   on: September 20, at 10:29:25 am   in: Legal Employment
There are litigation practice guides (probably for every state) which will walk you through the process. May want to think about whether you believe you can handle the client's case without screwing it up - may be best both for the client and you.
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: hlss09   on: September 20, at 10:22:38 am   in: Legal Employment
You should look for a co-counsel. In my experience, it takes YEARS to learn how to litigate - and that's just the basics. It's one thing to understand the general outline of the rules, but in practice, things can be very different. The potential profit-loss inherent in bringing in a co-counsel is likely outweighed by a malpractice claim. As far as resources, it's hard to say without knowing where ...
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: nixy   on: September 20, at 10:09:23 am   in: Legal Employment
The best substantive answer I can give is look at your local rules and try to reach out to someone in that practice area for guidance? Yes, looking at filings in similar cases could be helpful, but that will be hard to do unless the jurisdiction has electronic filing and you can come up with some case names or numbers to search for. A local practice guide may help - kind of depends what’s out ther...
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Re: Full ride T10 with NO softs  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 20, at 10:07:34 am   in: What are my chances?
OP: Please consider this an informal warning. We are always happy to help answer questions from 0Ls, but please respect other posters' time by 1) being honest (you don't have an official LSAT score yet, so don't pretend you do), and 2) refraining from making multiple duplicate threads (you aren't going to get different answers by making 3 or 4 different threads asking the same question).
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Re: Latham lev fin / banking / cap markets  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 10:06:13 am   in: Legal Employment
Thank you for the candid response. Will be a hard pass on Latham.
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Re: jobless 3L at T14  
  by: Dahl   on: September 20, at 10:04:00 am   in: Legal Employment
OP have you looked in local gvmt jobs? The starting pay is terrible, but if you went to a T14 your school should offer good LRAP (in addition to public sector forgiveness) which will take care of the loan problem.

The pay goes up fairly well after a few years, and the work/life balance is great. In my big city there are certain agencies that are always hiring and in need of new blood.
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Possible URM, non-traditional/international  
  by: Chevi92   on: September 20, at 9:43:58 am   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Hi everyone, I'm kind of an uncommon case and could not find an exact reply to my questions. So here we go: I've got a 162 in the LSAT (159 previously, even though I was scoring around 168's in the mock ones) and a 3.4 undergrad GPA. I moved to the US, because of my dad's work, when I was 15 and due to previous foreign education, skipped a few years and graduated with 16. I had a basic level of En...
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: cavalier1138   on: September 20, at 9:34:23 am   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Yes opened a solo practice few months ago and now have a PC with a litigation matter that I may handle.

Which jurisdiction are you in? Are you likely filing in state court? Have you considered teaming up with someone who will actually know what the fuck they're doing before you ask a client to pay you for your services?
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 9:31:39 am   in: Legal Employment
Yes opened a solo practice few months ago and now have a PC with a litigation matter that I may handle.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: katrinax0x17   on: September 20, at 8:39:16 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Part A Means Essay 1 (FL Con Law/Professionalism) - 38.7 Essay 2 (Real Property) - 30.5 Essay 3 (Crim Law/Const'l Crim Procedure/Juv Delinquency/FL Con Law/Evidence) - 50.8 MC 1 (FL Rules Civil and Crim Procedure) - 17.5 MC 2 (FL Evidence) - 17.3 MC 3 (FL Wills) - 17.7 Passed the MBE with a 137, failed FL with a 122 I got the same scores as you for FL and my raw score was a 151 and my scaled scor...
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Re: Plaintiffs Securities Litigation Lawyer Taking Qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 7:50:53 am   in: Legal Employment
Bump for answers to the above.
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: September 20, at 6:53:15 am   in: Legal Employment

nixy wrote:I have no idea why people feel compelled to grammar nit pick posts on internet message boards.

Seconded. Probably a joy to work with/for.
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Re: is it wise to wait another year? need advice.  
  by: Stratus_Counseling   on: September 20, at 6:23:26 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
The LSAT is so important in the law admissions process and going to a top school is so important in the legal world, that I would also strongly recommend that you wait until you are very confident you can get the score you want. If you really want to be a lawyer (not sure what type of law you want to practice), going to a top school will just open more doors in any direction. You should be getting...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: nixy   on: September 20, at 6:19:38 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Agree with all the above. I think too that finishing your clerkship isn’t going to make it harder/worse to get into corporate than if you quit now - if you can get a commitment from your firm that you can switch, the clerkship isn’t going to make things worse (they obviously already know you’re doing one). So you are likely to cause more harm to your career - in pissing off the judge - leaving tha...
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Re: Brooklyn DA 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 6:10:50 am   in: Legal Employment

encore1101 wrote:Take it from someone who used to do 1st and 2nd round interviews for DA offices -- it was basically a test of how you respond under pressure.

That was my best guess! It took all my self control not to get angry at him LOL
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: nixy   on: September 20, at 6:09:50 am   in: Legal Employment
I have no idea why people feel compelled to grammar nit pick posts on internet message boards.
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Re: How do I learn litigation  
  by: nixy   on: September 20, at 6:08:28 am   in: Legal Employment
What is the context for this question? Are you a solo practitioner or working in a firm or what?
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Re: Strong LORs  
  by: Stratus_Counseling   on: September 20, at 5:55:51 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
The problem when you get past GPA and LSAT is that there are just so many variables for Adcoms to consider. First, as others have said, nearly everyone applying to top law schools will have very strong LORs. Most of these students are very good students in college (or at work) and know how to connect with, and stand out for, professors, and will only select the professors they are confident will d...
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How do I learn litigation  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 5:49:55 am   in: Legal Employment
Are there resources out there that can assist me with how to litigate (preparing a complaint, filing an answer, discovery, etc.)? I feel like there are so many rules it’s almost overwhelming. Would a practice guide in my jurisdiction help me? Should I look up similar cases in my jurisdiction to see how they were handled? How can I find similar cases? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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Re: Overlooking a semester of grades  
  by: Stratus_Counseling   on: September 20, at 5:31:02 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Agree with the above. Your cumulative GPA is a 3.38, which is what the schools will need to report for ranking purposes (so that is your GPA "value" to them), however, a transcript that shows a strong upward grade trend with consistently high marks following this low semester GPA is a positive factor. I actually think you should include a brief addendum to your application that just prov...
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Re: C & F question  
  by: Stratus_Counseling   on: September 20, at 4:52:07 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Based on the information you have provided, it doesn't sound like this will be something that will be applicable to your law admissions process unless either (i) you have knowledge that you have done something that would create a C&F issue during your time in this role (whether or not your employer knows about it) or (ii) you have knowledge that this has employer has filed, or intends to file,...
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Re: Strategy when applying with some experience  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 20, at 1:48:42 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I clerked for a judge who only hired people with 2+ years of experience. Although he did not really care too much about LORs generally, he wanted at least one work reference. More importantly, he wanted only work-related writing samples. That’s another thing to keep in mind.
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ROI  
  by: nevans2366   on: September 20, at 12:51:04 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Question: For all graduates of law school in the past 5 years, was law school worth to you and why? Background: From my recent research and stories by law students/ grads, they spent (hundreds of) thousands of dollar going to law school and have had horrible times finding employment that is worth the debt they incurred. I was blessed to come out of Undergrad w/ no debt and can build a successful c...
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: legalpotato   on: September 20, at 12:50:03 am   in: Legal Employment
Honestly, I would be more worried about your future career with grammar like this: “does counseling for lawyers and law students that are in trouble.” Unless these are cyborg lawyers, then you are good. Definitely don’t offer this up to the firm unless there is an express policy that applies to Summer Associates. Just don’t repeat this same mistake and maybe during your summer just avoid alcohol. ...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: dvlthndr   on: September 19, at 11:05:31 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
It sounds like you are having a rough patch and are taking it out on your job. I would stick this out if you can. Quitting will have negative effects on your judge, other clerks, SLS, etc. Frankly, I'm surprised that your future firm would knowingly encourage you to quit and move practice groups.

Get some therapy. Socialize with some co-clerks. Maybe try meetup groups or other activities.
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Re: Latham lev fin / banking / cap markets  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 11:01:03 pm   in: Legal Employment
The cap markets team at LW gets routinely pulled into doing commitment papers with their lev fin colleagues. If that is a concern for you (and it should be for quality of life reasons), I would look elsewhere.
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Re: Am I going to get fired?  
  by: texas1100   on: September 19, at 10:48:15 pm   in: Legal Employment
Get your shit together dude. Otherwise you’re fine.
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: September 19, at 10:46:02 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Tough it out. You made a commitment to this judge to work for a year. Quitting will affect the judge and your co-clerks. It's hard to find someone qualified on short notice for an abbreviated term. And it's a bad look for you (and yes, your school). And yes, get at least counseling. One perk of federal employment is that the health insurance is pretty decent. Take advantage of it. And try to socia...
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Re: How to review LR? +LG question  
  by: Donna29   on: September 19, at 10:33:56 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Doing one LR section 3 times sounds way too excessive. Do it once, if you feel like the 7sage blind review helps, then do it again. I personally think you’d be much better off doing another section from a different test then doing the same one three times. In my case, what helped me was knowing the questions types by heart, and knowing what made a wrong answer wrong and a right answer right for e...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: floatie   on: September 19, at 10:32:01 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
So.. not sure how to approach this. But I am seriously contemplating quitting my current clerkship. For a little background info, SLS grad who went straight into a federal district clerkship. As a personal aside, and to give you the full picture as it might be affecting my decision making process, my LD girlfriend broke up with me the day I started my new job. I currently live in this city alone ...
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Re: Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: Splurgles23   on: September 19, at 10:05:32 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
So.. not sure how to approach this. But I am seriously contemplating quitting my current clerkship. For a little background info, SLS grad who went straight into a federal district clerkship. As a personal aside, and to give you the full picture as it might be affecting my decision making process, my LD girlfriend broke up with me the day I started my new job. I currently live in this city alone ...
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Quitting Clerkship After 2 months  
  by: nativtracker   on: September 19, at 8:58:27 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
So.. not sure how to approach this. But I am seriously contemplating quitting my current clerkship. For a little background info, SLS grad who went straight into a federal district clerkship. As a personal aside, and to give you the full picture as it might be affecting my decision making process, my LD girlfriend broke up with me the day I started my new job. I currently live in this city alone a...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: jacketyellow   on: September 19, at 8:30:47 pm   in: Legal Employment

notarevert wrote:Got my "No" email today. Will reapply

Are you able to reach out to your interviewer for feedback? In addition, I know they say you are not required to re-interview, but are you allowed to do another interview with another SJA?
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: johngotti   on: September 19, at 8:19:14 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Part A Means Essay 1 (FL Con Law/Professionalism) - 38.7 Essay 2 (Real Property) - 30.5 Essay 3 (Crim Law/Const'l Crim Procedure/Juv Delinquency/FL Con Law/Evidence) - 50.8 MC 1 (FL Rules Civil and Crim Procedure) - 17.5 MC 2 (FL Evidence) - 17.3 MC 3 (FL Wills) - 17.7 Passed the MBE with a 137, failed FL with a 122 122 is too low. I agree that 17's on the MC, mixed with 2 below average essays is...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: Common stock   on: September 19, at 8:10:54 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Part A Means Essay 1 (FL Con Law/Professionalism) - 38.7 Essay 2 (Real Property) - 30.5 Essay 3 (Crim Law/Const'l Crim Procedure/Juv Delinquency/FL Con Law/Evidence) - 50.8 MC 1 (FL Rules Civil and Crim Procedure) - 17.5 MC 2 (FL Evidence) - 17.3 MC 3 (FL Wills) - 17.7 Passed the MBE with a 137, failed FL with a 122 I got the same scores as you for FL and my raw score was a 151 and my scaled scor...
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: Slippin' Jimmy   on: September 19, at 6:48:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
Stop asking strangers on the internet and get a lawyer.
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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program  
  by: TortsIllustratedd   on: September 19, at 6:34:51 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Does anyone happen to know where we stay for NJS? I feel like I had heard (or read) that we stay on base in a hotel. Is that cost paid for by the Navy or if not are we free to look for cheaper alternatives off base? Thanks so much!
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Re: PLIP 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 6:31:48 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Had callbacks with Foley Lardner and Alston Bird, still waiting to hear back, anyone hear anything?

Which office of Foley? Waiting to hear back too.

Boston

Have you heard anything in the past couple weeks?

yes, got a rejection from both, Alston's arrived in the mail this week
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 6:06:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not the end of the world. As others noted, you will need to check how it affects C&F and if you had any sort of other agreements with the firm on that sort of stuff. But I personally had a misdemeanor that I pled to middle of 1L and had no issues with my firm or C&F, know of another person from my T14 that had similar charges to what you're describing during 2L who also was admitted and i...
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 5:44:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
You have a lot to be worried about. I would seriously consider pulling together whatever finances you have (credit cards, parents, family, etc) and get a reputable criminal defense attorney. This will also come up in c&f, so you will want to consult an attorney when that comes around as well. As for the firm, is your job in a different state than your arrest? If so, there is a chance this won...
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Re: Brooklyn DA 2019-2020  
  by: encore1101   on: September 19, at 5:36:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
Take it from someone who used to do 1st and 2nd round interviews for DA offices -- it was basically a test of how you respond under pressure.
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Re: jobless 3L at T14  
  by: ND2018   on: September 19, at 5:34:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
The above is credited. I once knew a Suffolk County DA working out in Shelter Island (think east of eastern Suffolk county) whose spouse worked biglaw in Manhattan. They split the commuting distance by living somewhere in Nassau and he was usually home before she was despite his 2 hour commute by car.
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 4:39:38 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not the end of the world. As others noted, you will need to check how it affects C&F and if you had any sort of other agreements with the firm on that sort of stuff. But I personally had a misdemeanor that I pled to middle of 1L and had no issues with my firm or C&F, know of another person from my T14 that had similar charges to what you're describing during 2L who also was admitted and is...
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Re: jobless 3L at T14  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 19, at 4:37:10 pm   in: Legal Employment
In the markets I know there’s complete saturation in large(ish) cities, some more flexibility a hour’s commuting distance away, and jobs for everyone 3 hours away. My first job was 3 hours away from the major city, and I worked with 2 guys with wives and kids in the major city. They’d drive home Friday afternoon, then back Monday morning. Even jobs 2 hours away may be commutable. E.g., if OP's sp...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: notarevert   on: September 19, at 4:34:45 pm   in: Legal Employment
Got my "No" email today. Will reapply
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Re: jobless 3L at T14  
  by: andythefir   on: September 19, at 4:30:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
In the markets I know there’s complete saturation in large(ish) cities, some more flexibility a hour’s commuting distance away, and jobs for everyone 3 hours away.

My first job was 3 hours away from the major city, and I worked with 2 guys with wives and kids in the major city. They’d drive home Friday afternoon, then back Monday morning.
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Re: Am I going to get fired?  
  by: andythefir   on: September 19, at 4:25:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
On your probationary period they can conceptually fire you without cause in the sense that you don’t have civil servant protections, but I think you still have to go through a performance improvement plan. I think if firing were on the table, everyone would know.
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Re: IP Lit to Tech Trans? (mid level)  
  by: SFSpartan   on: September 19, at 4:18:18 pm   in: Legal Employment
I see people make this transition (and the reverse) pretty routinely in SF/SV. You'll probably take a class year hit, but I wouldn't expect to go back to being a first year or anything. Depending on experience, and the nature of the job (i.e. mix of deal support vs. standalone IP work), I'd expect to end up anywhere from a 2nd to a 4th year.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: katrinax0x17   on: September 19, at 4:16:53 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Part A Means Essay 1 (FL Con Law/Professionalism) - 38.7 Essay 2 (Real Property) - 30.5 Essay 3 (Crim Law/Const'l Crim Procedure/Juv Delinquency/FL Con Law/Evidence) - 50.8 MC 1 (FL Rules Civil and Crim Procedure) - 17.5 MC 2 (FL Evidence) - 17.3 MC 3 (FL Wills) - 17.7 Passed the MBE with a 137, failed FL with a 122 I got the same scores as you for FL and my raw score was a 151 and my scaled scor...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 3:58:55 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Got the official "no" email today. Already have my application in for the November board, but it feels like a waste of time without feedback.

I totally agree espeically since I do not know what my interviewer wrote.
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Re: Themis July 2019  
  by: CR2019   on: September 19, at 3:22:05 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Passed in a UBE JX thank the lord. Finished 100% of the course but definitely phoned in some essays/MPTs. Ended up doing around 2,300 MBE questions with a 70%. Cut it a little bit closer than I would have preferred but who cares I don't have to take that damn thing ever again.
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 3:16:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Got the official "no" email today. Already have my application in for the November board, but it feels like a waste of time without feedback.
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Re: How to review LR? +LG question  
  by: zoehr   on: September 19, at 3:09:20 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Doing one LR section 3 times sounds way too excessive. Do it once, if you feel like the 7sage blind review helps, then do it again. I personally think you’d be much better off doing another section from a different test then doing the same one three times. In my case, what helped me was knowing the questions types by heart, and knowing what made a wrong answer wrong and a right answer right for ea...
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Re: Gibson vs Irell  
  by: KM2016   on: September 19, at 3:06:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Gibson for sure -- this is a no brainer. Irell's managing partner (and some other partners) just jumped ship to Milbank and the firm is basically an IP shop at this point. The headcount has been in steady decline over the past 5-7 years.

Sure, the firm will probably exist going forward, but Gibson is the much safer option.
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Re: Are Law School scholarships more merit based or need based  
  by: cavalier1138   on: September 19, at 2:25:11 pm   in: What are my chances?
Yes, at most schools. HYS only give scholarships based on need, but merit scholarships are the norm everywhere else. If your LSAT is 172+, you could potentially be looking at a full ride to CCN.

Edit: Just noticed that you've posted the same question multiple times. No one here is trying to mislead you. Focus on getting that high LSAT, and quit rephrasing the same hypothetical.
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Are Law School scholarships more merit based or need based  
  by: zoehr   on: September 19, at 2:01:20 pm   in: What are my chances?
I don’t qualify for need based aid, but have a good lsat (lower 170’s) and GPA (3.9), and average softs. Could I still count on a decent scholarship from a t14?
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Re: T30 Bottom 50% URM. No-offered at OCI. Advice?  
  by: Yea All Right   on: September 19, at 1:58:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
Sorry to hear about your situation. I recommend mass mailing, as the other posters said, but also expanding where you're willing to work and at what kind of place. To be brutally honest (but only so that you know the odds you're up against), I'm guessing the biglaw satellites in Charlotte are likely smaller offices that hire only a few summers. For example, I know Dechert's Charlotte office is lik...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: Jmart082   on: September 19, at 1:52:07 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
How do the florida essays compare with those on the MEE of the UBE??? I only took florida so far, but I want to take the MEE in another state and transfer. How bad are the MEE essays compared to the florida essays??? Also, for those who took the bar in 2 jurisdictions, how bad are the MPT essays? The MPT is not bad at all, and if you've practiced for the MEE, you should good to go for the MPT as ...
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Re: Overlooking a semester of grades  
  by: Wubbles   on: September 19, at 1:39:05 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Conveniently enough, there are a number of great schools who will accept people with 3.38 and a number of good schools who will throw money at someone with a 3.38. You just have to have a good LSAT score, which you can still control. I'm not sure what your LSAT currently is, but if you get a 167+ a lot of doors will be open.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: Jmart082   on: September 19, at 1:38:54 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone able to find the forms to sign and mail to swear in? My judge wants to do it tomorrow and the letter still hasn’t arrived in Miami. Also in Miami, letter arrived today. I thought I'd squeak by on my retake, but I got a 152 on Part A and a 146 on Part B (I had to answer 20 questions in 20 minutes on this part of the exam).It feels good that I was able to do it the right way the second time ...
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Re: IP Lit to Tech Trans? (mid level)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 1:37:03 pm   in: Legal Employment
I know someone who did this in the Bay Area. She was a 3rd year and Lateraled from a fairly strong IP lit group to TTG at one of Fenwick/WSGR/Gunderson/Cooley. She had to start as a first year. It suited her because she wanted to go in house and she found a good in house gig within a year. I have no idea what partnership would have looked like for her.
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 1:31:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
I am sure most of you will have that information, but here is what I saw from Symplicity and heard through other people on open positions in NY/DC for those that are interested. Proskauer NY and Weil NY are looking for Bankruptcy. Weil is also looking for Exec. Compensation. I also got a ding from Weil a week ago, although they had not posted anything to my school's Symplicity back then. Covingto...
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: anon168   on: September 19, at 1:28:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hi all, I am freaking out right now. I went out and got very intoxicated, to the point where I don't remember anything (this is atypical for me). I ended up being charged with 2 simple assault (bc resisting arrest) and one destruction of property (all misdemeanors). I accepted an offer from a V50 firm, but now I am so scared that they will rescind it based on the above. Has anyone had a similar s...
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Latham lev fin / banking / cap markets  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 1:28:36 pm   in: Legal Employment
Can someone please give me a run down of how these practices work at Latham? Is the cap markets group isolated and separated from banking finance (and is lev fin a subset of work done by both cap markets and banking? I.e. the banking group might do HY bank financings while the cap markets group will do the HY 144A offerings) Which group does commitment papers? I'm talking about the NYC office. Als...
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 1:07:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
I am sure most of you will have that information, but here is what I saw from Symplicity and heard through other people on open positions in NY/DC for those that are interested. Proskauer NY and Weil NY are looking for Bankruptcy. Weil is also looking for Exec. Compensation. I also got a ding from Weil a week ago, although they had not posted anything to my school's Symplicity back then. Covingto...
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Re: NY Bar Prep as a Canadian Lawyer  
  by: acal078   on: September 19, at 1:05:15 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thanks again for the advice everyone. I was thinking of working on Adaptibar until November when Themis becomes accessible. I figure this way I can focus on the multiple choice portion of the bar exam as Adaptibar provides videos/questions. I thought the benefits of Themis over Barmax might be helpful. If anyone thinks this is a waste of time and I should just jump in with barmax, please let me kn...
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 1:03:50 pm   in: Legal Employment
I am sure most of you will have that information, but here is what I saw from Symplicity and heard through other people on open positions in NY/DC for those that are interested. Proskauer NY and Weil NY are looking for Bankruptcy. Weil is also looking for Exec. Compensation. I also got a ding from Weil a week ago, although they had not posted anything to my school's Symplicity back then. Covingto...
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Re: Themis July 2019  
  by: other guy   on: September 19, at 1:02:22 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Passes Alabama MBE 140 MEE/MPT 134 Finished 92 percent of Themis- but basically hit submit on all the essays Did do all the MBEs finished at 66 percent(by the end you’ve seen some Of the questions) All grades essays and MPT- 2/6 MBE 1- 28/45 —62 percent MBE 2 32/55 — 58 percent MBE PRACTICE morning — 64/100 MBE practice PM— 66/100 MBE Final— 63/100 ————— I got burned out by the end. Totally was pl...
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Re: Alternative Careers for big law refugees  
  by: dabigchina   on: September 19, at 12:42:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think we have spoken before, but have you tried looking? it has probably been several years since you last worked in your old industry and wages have risen since then. Even if you only get 75k, there's no shame in that salary assuming you are making it somewhere with reasonable CoL (not NY, SF, LA). Do a year or two at that salary, jump around for a 5-10% raise every couple of years, and you're ...
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Re: Am I going to get fired?  
  by: SFSpartan   on: September 19, at 12:41:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
You're probably not going to get fired, but I'd avoid talking about your personal life at work at all costs. That should help combat any notion that you're overly focused on personal stuff, can't separate work from your personal life, etc. (to the extent such a notion has developed, not saying it has)
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Re: Overlooking a semester of grades  
  by: nixy   on: September 19, at 12:35:13 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Agree with the above. They will see your upward trajectory, and on the margins it’s better than a downward trajectory - it means they should have less concern about your ability to handle the workload. But I don’t think you need to discuss it (it’s very common to do badly first semester and then improve so schools don’t need an explanation), and, unfortunately, the overall GPA is what schools repo...
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Re: Am I going to get fired?  
  by: nixy   on: September 19, at 12:29:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
So even though you’re probationary, I really really doubt they’re considering firing you. Getting a replacement for you will take much longer for the government than for a firm, and if your work is decent getting rid of you will make them worse off than you working there even if you’re taking time off. Also you for something like getting sick is generally frowned upon. I agree that coverage for tr...
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Re: Overlooking a semester of grades  
  by: dvlthndr   on: September 19, at 12:25:06 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Law schools will definitely see the 3.38, and it will definitely work against you. You can write an addendum to try to explain your low grade, but the impact will be marginal. No law school is going to put on blinders and just treat you like a 3.6. It sucks, but you should have realistic expectations. Unless you have something special going for you (e.g., URM), your best bet is doing phenomenally ...
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Re: Alternative Careers for big law refugees  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 11:54:35 am   in: Legal Employment
True, and maybe 150k was an exaggeration, but I was already making $85k before I went to law school (and which would've likely been anywhere from 120k-150k now had I not gone to law school). It's dumb to think this way since its a sunk cost fallacy, I know. To be honest, I'd rather go back to accounting than take some $75k job but I can't even command that old salary anymore being out of the busin...
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Re: Am I going to get fired?  
  by: JOThompson   on: September 19, at 11:49:45 am   in: Legal Employment
Are you a trial attorney? If so, I could see this being an issue, if it's causing coverage issues for your co-workers. If you're on the transactional side, I wouldn't worry.
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Overlooking a semester of grades  
  by: nadurakmm   on: September 19, at 11:42:39 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I'm in the process of applying for law during a post-bachelor gap year as an immigration legal assistant. My degree is interdisciplinary between poli sci, human rights, and religious studies. My cummulative gpa isn't the best (3.38) because I did really poorly my first semester of college (2.11), but improved dramatically over the course of the remaining 7 semesters. My gpa excluding that first se...
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Re: NY Bar February 2020  
  by: TiredRepeaterMom   on: September 19, at 11:27:01 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thank you for your time. Any advice on a recommended bar review course? (I just found out that barbri would charge 3k for even repeat takers :O ).
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: September 19, at 11:14:22 am   in: Legal Employment
You have a lot to be worried about. I would seriously consider pulling together whatever finances you have (credit cards, parents, family, etc) and get a reputable criminal defense attorney. This will also come up in c&f, so you will want to consult an attorney when that comes around as well. As for the firm, is your job in a different state than your arrest? If so, there is a chance this won’...
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Re: NY Bar February 2020  
  by: TheJuryMustDie   on: September 19, at 11:03:24 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am a repeat taker but unlike many other on the forum, I took the exam several years back. I took the exam and failed with a score very close to the passing score. I basically got very demotivated and discouraged and also decided to focus on other things in life including some health related issues. I now have a kid and a full time job at a prestigious company as a foreign attorney. Passing the ...
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Re: T30 Bottom 50% URM. No-offered at OCI. Advice?  
  by: Anon-non-anon   on: September 19, at 10:58:26 am   in: Legal Employment
All is not lost. Yes, I would start mass mailing. Working for gov office that is actually relevant to what big law does and relatively few people know about it is great. That way you can sell yourself to a particular practice group at a firm that might be hiring 3Ls for a specific need, which is prob your best bet. So your internship will be helpful, and your pre-law experience may be too. Customi...
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Re: Lawyers: What's Your Typical Day?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 10:57:25 am   in: Legal Employment
Mid-level bk associate at one of the large debtor firms. As a mid-level, your role shifts from primary drafter/research to running particular workstreams and smaller-ish cases, overseeing juniors, and more deal-side work. Also calls, lots of calls. I'm staffed on a number of deals right now, two of which are near filing and one-creditor side matter, plus a number of older matters that still have i...
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Re: T30 Bottom 50% URM. No-offered at OCI. Advice?  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: September 19, at 10:53:38 am   in: Legal Employment
I would have been mass-mailing in like, June, were I in your shoes. Start now.
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Re: Am I going to get fired?  
  by: tyroneslothrop1   on: September 19, at 10:52:59 am   in: Legal Employment
Impossible for us to say but do not take any additional time off work unless you absolutely must and when you are in work hard, do good work, and stay late.
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Re: How bad is it to withdraw from a law school class?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 10:50:30 am   in: Legal Employment
Thank you both, very reassuring! I put the drop request in.
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Re: Am I going to get fired?  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: September 19, at 10:45:17 am   in: Legal Employment
I doubt your supervisor is particularly annoyed that you took a day or so off to change apartments after like, a flooding. And if you're sick, you're sick---happens. I assume you didn't tell your boss you needed time off to get over a breakup, or your dog dying. Those things truly suck, but like...you've still gotta show up to work. If you did, that was like, really stupid. But what's done is done...
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T30 Bottom 50% URM. No-offered at OCI. Advice?  
  by: Mike Carlil   on: September 19, at 10:40:56 am   in: Legal Employment
Guys, I was hoping to get some brief advice here about how to approach my employment search 2L year. I’m a URM at a T30 southeast school (think Wake, UNC etc.) I really screwed up last semester and right now I’m sitting at a 2.9 gpa. Needless to say, I’m mortified by my gpa and absolutely terrified of my future. I experienced and am continuing to experience all kinds of terrible emotions over my s...
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Re: How bad is it to withdraw from a law school class?  
  by: trebekismyhero   on: September 19, at 10:39:34 am   in: Legal Employment
Not important, don't bother recruiting and just enjoy 3L
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Re: How bad is it to withdraw from a law school class?  
  by: gregfootball2001   on: September 19, at 10:36:13 am   in: Legal Employment
You have a job. I doubt the firm will look at your final transcript for anything other than ensuring that you graduated. Even if they see the "W", I can't imagine anyone will care that you withdrew from biology 301 or advanced calculus or something. Do not bother recruiting about it, do not bring it up. It's not important. Just let it go and enjoy 3L.
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Re: NY Offers 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 10:18:42 am   in: Legal Employment
Within past week:

CWT ding (after Aug CB)

following mass mail dings:

davis & polk
paul hastings
morgan lewis
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: yespasscbx   on: September 19, at 10:07:45 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi friends, I submitted my moral character app on May 14th. There's nothing that should hold up my application except for a low credit score. Do you think I'll be cleared before bar results come out on November 15th? If anyone wants to post their timeline of when they applied/got cleared, that would be super helpful! Have you received the notice of application completion? If not yet, you probably...
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 10:07:11 am   in: Legal Employment
I am sure most of you will have that information, but here is what I saw from Symplicity and heard through other people on open positions in NY/DC for those that are interested. Proskauer NY and Weil NY are looking for Bankruptcy. Weil is also looking for Exec. Compensation. I also got a ding from Weil a week ago, although they had not posted anything to my school's Symplicity back then. Covington...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: Derek Vinyard   on: September 19, at 9:57:52 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
How do the florida essays compare with those on the MEE of the UBE??? I only took florida so far, but I want to take the MEE in another state and transfer. How bad are the MEE essays compared to the florida essays??? Also, for those who took the bar in 2 jurisdictions, how bad are the MPT essays?
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How bad is it to withdraw from a law school class?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 9:56:25 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm a 3L and have accepted an offer from a biglaw firm after I graduate. I've never withdrawn from a class after the drop deadline, not even in undergrad. However, this semester I may have taken on more than I can handle. Basically, the gist is that I have an interest in a STEM field as a hobby and my law school allows us to cross-register in its undergrad courses for law school credit (though it ...
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Re: Lawyers: What's Your Typical Day?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 9:55:19 am   in: Legal Employment
district court clerk in a secondary market, but very busy court: 5:45am - wake up, coffee 6:30-7:30 - work out 7:30-8:00 - shower, etc 8:00-9:00 - small chores/breakfast 9:00 - bus to work 9:30-11:00 - at desk, check 24hr docket report/emails, follow up with interns, etc 11:00-1:00 - researching something 1:00-1:30/2:00 - lunch break 2:00-7:00 - research and/or writing 7:15 - bus home Home by arou...
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Gibson Bonus  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 9:34:21 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm a mid level (lateral) at a non-nyc office and am wondering how their target hours/bonus works. I heard that 1950 can be a "soft" target and associates who billed less than 1950 can receive full bonus. Does anyone have more insight? If 1950 is a soft target, what is the hard cutoff for bonus? If you bill less than 1950 but receive a bonus, is it pro-rated or is it all or nothing? Any ...
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Am I going to get fired?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 9:20:47 am   in: Legal Employment
I need help. I started a job as a new attorney with the Federal government about three months ago and moved across the country for this job. Since then, everything that could go wrong has (relationship ended, apartment flooded, pet died, I got very sick, etc.) and my supervisor has had to cut me a lot of slack on my time in the office. They have been happy with the work that I have done, but it se...
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Re: Whistler Partners (Lateral recruiting?)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 8:40:41 am   in: Legal Employment
Met up with one of the recruiters from Whistler Partners to discuss an in-house gig (he had presented the meeting as essentially a pre-screening for the position after I had sent him my resume), only for him to spend the entire time telling me I need to go to a firm and not discussing the in-house gig at all except to say I'm not qualified. Over the next couple of months, despite me telling him I...
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One Transcript Not Sent  
  by: Red_Bird   on: September 19, at 8:24:09 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I am very irritated with one of my former schools. I took one class AFTER earning a bachelor's degree and it is this school that still hasn't received my transcript order request (The school, for whatever reason, doesn't have an option to order online... :roll: ) Anyway, LSAC still hasn't received that transcript. Since it is a course that I took after earning my bachelor's, will I get my Academic...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: allymariee19   on: September 19, at 8:21:19 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
2nd time taker here. First time I did horrible on MBE, which I already suspected I would. Was able to pull a 145 on FL and still failed by 5 points lol July 2019 - did way worse on FL but brought up MBE by over 12 points. Failed by 4 points. Next time, Feb 2020 I am only taking MBE. I cannot do FL again it is brutal. Going to hire a private Tutor. Heddy Muransky. Is anyone familiar with her? I als...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: Best   on: September 19, at 8:04:12 am   in: Legal Employment
I think it would be helpful to post some examples. Morgan Lewis just announced buyouts for over 50 secretaries. While there was no announcement about associates, it does make me wonder whether they are gearing up to stealth lawyers. Eh, firms have been cutting staff for several years now. Usually they do it in the context of an office move, but it doesn’t surprise me. It’s just the trend of law f...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: mystikal   on: September 19, at 7:20:21 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
OMG! Mood! i applied 2 years ago and they continue to ask me for, and about bullshit. They ALWAYS have an additional question about the same bullshit. Why didnt i pay my credit card bills on time while in law school? Because i wasnt fucking working and i didnt have any fucking money!! Sorry for being a fckn poor student?! ok, end rant :roll: I hear you! 2 years after passing? That is nonsense...I...
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Re: Providing a Cautionary Tale (PART 2)  
  by: cavalier1138   on: September 19, at 4:29:27 am   in: Legal Employment
I reread through this thread again and I want to close with one final thought. I want to put in a plug for Harvard Law. I don't go there, but I think Harvard really is the best law school. It's really difficult to fuck your life at HLS in a way that's entirely possible at a place like Penn, Stanford, or NYU (I'm not sure about Yale). LIPP is the ultimate protection and thus mitigates the risk of ...
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Re: Gibson vs Irell  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 3:21:22 am   in: Legal Employment
Thanks. Any compelling reasons not to go to Irell other than the IP focus? Is the future of the firm a real issue? Long-winded anon here. No, I don't think there's any other real negative for Irell. I think the firm's future is pretty solid. Morgan Chu's eventual departure will matter, but I was told a few times that the firm's business comes from a pretty large number of partners. Of course that...
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Re: IP Lit to Tech Trans? (mid level)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 2:56:08 am   in: Legal Employment
A few people at my firm made the lateral move from our IP Prosecution group (where they had some exposure to litigation/IPRs/deals) to a tech transaction group at a "peer" V20 firm. I think we had three people go to the same firm within about a 6-month window. I think they were a few years out of school at the time. They had some "extra" seniority because they had come up as pa...
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Re: Gibson vs Irell  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 2:12:39 am   in: Legal Employment
Thanks. Any compelling reasons not to go to Irell other than the IP focus? Is the future of the firm a real issue? Long-winded anon here. No, I don't think there's any other real negative for Irell. I think the firm's future is pretty solid. Morgan Chu's eventual departure will matter, but I was told a few times that the firm's business comes from a pretty large number of partners. Of course that...
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Re: People with Experience at Jones Day - Please Help Me  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 12:35:28 am   in: Legal Employment
You'll be fine. Just let your summer work coordinator(s) know of your interest in transactional work and reach out to the partners who do the type of work you want. If you don't get the work you want during the summer, no worries. While you'll mostly work on projects origination in your office during the summer, NLG year is designed to allow for experimentation/exploration precisely for people in ...
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Re: Seeking Advice and Providing a Cautionary Tale  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 19, at 12:25:29 am   in: Legal Employment
To OP: As someone with great grades (top five in my class) at a T30-40, I am supremely envious of the opportunities afforded to people at T6. I've networked or mass-mailed into around a dozen interviews at big law firms and 8 callbacks. Still no offers, though I've arranged some recent late-stage interviews through mass mailing that I feel confident about. I have met around 40-50 students from oth...
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Re: Applying to more than one position at the same firm?  
  by: baskan1234   on: September 18, at 11:46:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
If a firm is advertising two openings, one litigation and one transactional, and I'm desperate, would it look bad to apply to both? I'm more interested in the litigation position but it would probably be easier to get the transactional one. I would say apply to whatever your resume/background indicates you would be better at or more interested in. Not sure if this is 3L or 2L recruiting, but at t...
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Re: Seeking Advice and Providing a Cautionary Tale  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 10:39:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
To the OP -- I know it seems tough, but many of us would love to switch positions with you. I had somewhat the opposite situation. I went to a T20 (now mid 20s) regional midwest school with a full ride scholarship. I graduated top half of my class. I was involved in mock trial and clinic, but was not on a journal. In 2012-2013, small law and mid-law were largely off-limits to me, even after mass m...
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 10:01:51 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thank you for the timely response! I don't have an obligation to report it to the firm. I do have to report it to my school. I have been very proactive and have already started the process. I have also started counseling with the lawyer assistance program at my city, which does counseling for lawyers and law students that are in trouble. After the 12 sessions, my counselor will likely write a lett...
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Re: Providing a Cautionary Tale (PART 2)  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: September 18, at 9:54:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP here. I first wrote this post over one year ago. A lot has happened since then. I ended up getting two jobs: a Biglaw firm in a secondary market that was looking for people later in the fall, and another regional law firm gig in my home state. Since I first posted, I did better grade-wise my 2L year and finished with an honors designation and had put last fall behind me. My Biglaw summer turne...
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NY Bar February 2020  
  by: TiredRepeaterMom   on: September 18, at 9:40:53 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am a repeat taker but unlike many other on the forum, I took the exam several years back. I took the exam and failed with a score very close to the passing score. I basically got very demotivated and discouraged and also decided to focus on other things in life including some health related issues. I now have a kid and a full time job at a prestigious company as a foreign attorney. Passing the N...
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IP Lit to Tech Trans? (mid level)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 9:38:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
I am a 2014 grad who went from patent pros at a small firm to patent lit at a mid sized firm (decently well known among biglaw, considered peer in terms of pay and rep). I am thinking of making the jump to tech transactions. Can anyone who's done this tell me what their experience was like? Any deductions in class year? Do you fear automation will take your job away? Will switching groups (and fir...
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Re: NY February 2019 Group  
  by: TiredRepeaterMom   on: September 18, at 9:12:44 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi Lourin. I am looking to team up for February 2020 as well. I took the bar twice a really long time ago and missed it each time with a score very close to the passing score then. Since then the UBE has kicked in and I feel new to whole thing. I am quite eager to kick ass and pass this damn exam this time. Would love to exchange some ideas about starting early.
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Re: Do I have to start over?  
  by: albanach   on: September 18, at 9:12:03 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
If your goal is to be hired through oci, you might wasn't to repeat 1L. Employers may be skeptical about hiring someone who hasn't been in law school for the best part of a decade, even if your prior grades were excellent.
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Re: Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: albanach   on: September 18, at 9:08:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hopefully you have a lawyer. If not, you need one. I'm presuming you haven't signed anything with the firm that requires you to disclose charges? Check your school application - do you have a duty to notify them of charges? Work with your lawyer to minimize the damage. Make sure they're experienced in this stuff. Assuming you don't have an obligation to report charges, wait until you see what you'...
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Re: New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)  
  by: bbee1917   on: September 18, at 9:01:46 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is it OK to pause the video sometimes and/or rewind it? Nobody's mentioned if this is allowed or not.
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Misdemeanor During 2L - Big Law Prospect  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 8:21:31 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hi all, I am freaking out right now. I went out and got very intoxicated, to the point where I don't remember anything (this is atypical for me). I ended up being charged with 2 simple assault (bc resisting arrest) and one destruction of property (all misdemeanors). I accepted an offer from a V50 firm, but now I am so scared that they will rescind it based on the above. Has anyone had a similar si...
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RC review plan- could you take a look?  
  by: Donna29   on: September 18, at 8:08:47 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello TLS, After reading posts after posts on TLS, I realized how important reviews are and would like to ask for some advice on my new RC study routine. I study full time except for some short part-time jobs. My current RC stats are -When untimed, -1 or -2 per passage taking avg 13min (4min reading, 9min on questions) -When timed, avg -10~-14 per section (sorry for being disastrous and heart-stop...
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Re: Fried Frank or Davis Polk NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 8:03:30 pm   in: Legal Employment
what's stopping you from taking DPW? I have an interest in real estate, and heard some interesting stuff about Davis Polk's culture. Don't know if the overall "prestige" at DP would trump real estate/asset management strengths at FF. I work at FF, so take with a grain of salt. The RE practice is great. Really top notch. Any firm will take a FF RE lateral. The culture is also really grea...
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Re: Alternative Careers for big law refugees  
  by: 64Fl   on: September 18, at 7:38:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
Damn I don't think I could take a job (that is 40 hours a week), no matter how chill it is, that is under $150k so that's out. Nothing under $150k? Friend, that's a sign of some serious golden-handcuff symptoms. Can understand not wanting to go down to $75k but for many BigLawyers, a 40-hour $150k job would be a dream come true. This is especially true for an "alternative careers" threa...
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 7:14:34 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any offers after CB for Latham (not SoCal)?

I got an offer from Latham today. CB was two weeks ago.

Are you interested in litigation or corporate?

Corporate. The opening at that office was for someone interested in transactional practice areas.
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Re: Venable In-Office Interviews  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 6:52:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP: Finally rejected
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How to review LR? +LG question  
  by: Donna29   on: September 18, at 6:47:24 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello TLS, I have a question about how to review LR section efficiently + a question on LG. I currently get 6-7 or if terrible 10 questions wrong in timed LR section. So I'm working on mastering the question types and do some timed section drills. I have two questions on reviewing LR. First, I made a review routine and would like to know if there are any adjustments to make. 1. Do the section time...
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Re: Hughes Hubbard v Baker McKenzie  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 6:41:49 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks for the responses! I guess Hughes Hubbard is not that great a firm
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Re: District Attorney's Offices 2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 6:34:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
I applied to Bronx (first round only), Brooklyn (completed second round, waiting), and NYC (first round this week); then Philly. Searching for more offices, looking for suggestions.
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Re: Brooklyn DA 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 6:32:35 pm   in: Legal Employment

RCalifornia wrote:Berating you? Sounds very unprofessional.

I"ve never seen anything like it! I totally understand the importance of proofreading, but he turned a simple misspelling into a huge issue. I mean, if that one typo (which he circled and starred) was the only issue in my app then I'm in pretty good place, but it left a bad impression.
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Re: DOT Honors Program 2020 Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 6:26:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
I had a first round interview last week as well.
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Re: Do I have to start over?  
  by: dvlthndr   on: September 18, at 6:18:08 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Based on some quick searching it looks like some schools will waive that six year requirement for "extraordinary circumstances." That suggests it is a matter of discretion, rather than some ABA requirement. If going back to your first school is an option, it can't hurt to ask them about it. That said, it sounds that your family situation prevents you from going back to your first school....
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Re: Providing a Cautionary Tale (PART 2)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 6:13:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP here. I first wrote this post over one year ago. A lot has happened since then. I ended up getting two jobs: a Biglaw firm in a secondary market that was looking for people later in the fall, and another regional law firm gig in my home state. Since I first posted, I did better grade-wise my 2L year and finished with an honors designation and had put last fall behind me. My Biglaw summer turne...
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Re: Georgetown OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 5:58:31 pm   in: Legal Employment
Obviously, it wasn't heinous for everyone, and we're glad it wasn't for you. But it sure was for a lot of people, so not sure how your pleasant experience helps. I never said my experience was pleasant. OCI can be grueling, point blank, and the fact is that(according to OCS) ~42% of OCI participants have not accepted any offers. But I wanted to provide perspective.I do not think it so obvious whe...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: 0134580   on: September 18, at 5:41:44 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I feel so sad for the people who failed...i know i left that room feeling like i failed. My MBE scaled score was 160. Honestly, i was praying for a 136...I am not a good test taker at all! My LSAT score was a 140! But since i know I am not a great test taker, i started studying early. I started in April and i was not working.I used themis and completed about 50ish percent. I used it more so to sta...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 18, at 5:39:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think it would be helpful to post some examples. Morgan Lewis just announced buyouts for over 50 secretaries. While there was no announcement about associates, it does make me wonder whether they are gearing up to stealth lawyers. Eh, firms have been cutting staff for several years now. Usually they do it in the context of an office move, but it doesn’t surprise me. It’s just the trend of law f...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 5:38:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm the poster above. To be clear, I'm not surprised either. Just curious as to what this means for associates and the overall health of the firm.
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Re: Fried Frank or Davis Polk NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 5:32:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
what's stopping you from taking DPW? I have an interest in real estate, and heard some interesting stuff about Davis Polk's culture. Don't know if the overall "prestige" at DP would trump real estate/asset management strengths at FF. I work at FF, so take with a grain of salt. The RE practice is great. Really top notch. Any firm will take a FF RE lateral. The culture is also really grea...
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Providing a Cautionary Tale (PART 2)  
  by: UnfortunateResult   on: September 18, at 5:28:49 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP here. I first wrote this post over one year ago. A lot has happened since then. I ended up getting two jobs: a Biglaw firm in a secondary market that was looking for people later in the fall, and another regional law firm gig in my home state. Since I first posted, I did better grade-wise my 2L year and finished with an honors designation and had put last fall behind me. My Biglaw summer turned...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: not guilty   on: September 18, at 5:25:38 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Part A Means Essay 1 (FL Con Law/Professionalism) - 38.7 Essay 2 (Real Property) - 30.5 Essay 3 (Crim Law/Const'l Crim Procedure/Juv Delinquency/FL Con Law/Evidence) - 50.8 MC 1 (FL Rules Civil and Crim Procedure) - 17.5 MC 2 (FL Evidence) - 17.3 MC 3 (FL Wills) - 17.7 Passed the MBE with a 137, failed FL with a 122 122 is too low. I agree that 17's on the MC, mixed with 2 below average essays is...
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Re: DOT Honors Program 2020 Hiring  
  by: Asdfghjklasdfghjkl   on: September 18, at 5:25:31 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:If we haven't had a 1st round interview yet, are we SOL?

I have a first round interview this week. It was last minute. I think you could still be in the running
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: LaLiLuLeLo   on: September 18, at 5:16:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think it would be helpful to post some examples. Morgan Lewis just announced buyouts for over 50 secretaries. While there was no announcement about associates, it does make me wonder whether they are gearing up to stealth lawyers. Eh, firms have been cutting staff for several years now. Usually they do it in the context of an office move, but it doesn’t surprise me. It’s just the trend of law f...
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Re: NY Offers 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 5:07:36 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Kramer ding.
Same...only took almost a month.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: FloridaLawyer2B   on: September 18, at 5:05:12 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I haven't gotten my results in the mail either. I live in Cape Coral/Fort Myers area.

I have booked my hotel at the Waterside for February. Going to retake the MBE since I passed Part A. I really hope third times a charm
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Re: Georgetown OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 5:05:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
Approx. class rank: Median Journal: Secondary Moot Court, Mock Trial, etc.: No IP background?: No Significant work experience?: 2 years (work was relevant but not sure I'd consider it "significant") #Years out of undergrad: 3 Prestigious undergrad: No Target markets: NY #Screeners or callbacks prior to OCI from online applications and mass-mailing: 0 (didn't do pre-OCI) #Screeners receiv...
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Re: NY Offers 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 5:01:10 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Kramer ding.

For a summer position or for an entry level position?

OCI callback
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Re: Georgetown OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 4:59:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
Obviously, it wasn't heinous for everyone, and we're glad it wasn't for you. But it sure was for a lot of people, so not sure how your pleasant experience helps. I never said my experience was pleasant. OCI can be grueling, point blank, and the fact is that(according to OCS) ~42% of OCI participants have not accepted any offers. But I wanted to provide perspective.I do not think it so obvious whe...
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Re: Fried Frank or Davis Polk NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 4:55:29 pm   in: Legal Employment
what's stopping you from taking DPW? I have an interest in real estate, and heard some interesting stuff about Davis Polk's culture. Don't know if the overall "prestige" at DP would trump real estate/asset management strengths at FF. I work at FF, so take with a grain of salt. The RE practice is great. Really top notch. Any firm will take a FF RE lateral. The culture is also really grea...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: JustPass   on: September 18, at 4:37:37 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
No letters in Boca Raton either. Hopefully we get it tomorrow.
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 4:36:36 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think it would be helpful to post some examples. Morgan Lewis just announced buyouts for over 50 secretaries. While there was no announcement about associates, it does make me wonder whether they are gearing up to stealth lawyers.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=299184

Re: Fried Frank or Davis Polk NY?  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 18, at 4:34:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
I work at FF, so take with a grain of salt. The RE practice is great. Really top notch. Any firm will take a FF RE lateral. The culture is also really great. I don't know anyone at DPW that likes their job. I know a lot that like their jobs at FF (but I also obviously know a lot more people in general at FF). The asset management practice is also very strong. With that said, if you want to do M&a...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: wyoming92   on: September 18, at 4:28:59 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone able to find the forms to sign and mail to swear in? My judge wants to do it tomorrow and the letter still hasn’t arrived in Miami.
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Re: Alternative Careers for big law refugees  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 18, at 4:27:52 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Damn I don't think I could take a job (that is 40 hours a week), no matter how chill it is, that is under $150k so that's out.
Nothing under $150k? Friend, that's a sign of some serious golden-handcuff symptoms. Can understand not wanting to go down to $75k but for many BigLawyers, a 40-hour $150k job would be a dream come true.
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Re: Georgetown OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 4:26:30 pm   in: Legal Employment
Obviously, it wasn't heinous for everyone, and we're glad it wasn't for you. But it sure was for a lot of people, so not sure how your pleasant experience helps. I never said my experience was pleasant. OCI can be grueling, point blank, and the fact is that(according to OCS) ~42% of OCI participants have not accepted any offers. But I wanted to provide perspective.I do not think it so obvious whe...
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Re: jobless 3L at T14  
  by: QContinuum   on: September 18, at 4:23:09 pm   in: Legal Employment
All that said, if the OP is in an enormous city and hasn’t looked outside traditional biglaw/at mid-law jobs, they should do the latter first. (I don’t know if they have, just throwing it out there.) Good point. IMO it depends on which city it is. If NYC or Bay Area, then I agree no need (yet) to look out of state. But if Philly or Boston or even D.C., the local market's small enough that OP woul...
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Professional Ethics - Dallas Mayor  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 4:16:33 pm   in: Legal News/Law Firm Gossip
I notice that the mayor of Dallas is simultaneously a partner in the public finance practice of Locke Lord. https://www.lockelord.com/professionals/j/johnson-eric-l Can someone explain to me how this is ethically kosher? Not sure of the specific nuances of Texas’s legal ethics rules, but this seems to run afoul of a number of model conflicts-related rules (plus the usual rules around holding a sep...
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Re: Fried Frank or Davis Polk NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 4:15:31 pm   in: Legal Employment
what's stopping you from taking DPW? I have an interest in real estate, and heard some interesting stuff about Davis Polk's culture. Don't know if the overall "prestige" at DP would trump real estate/asset management strengths at FF. I work at FF, so take with a grain of salt. The RE practice is great. Really top notch. Any firm will take a FF RE lateral. The culture is also really grea...
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Re: Georgetown OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 4:00:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Obviously, it wasn't heinous for everyone, and we're glad it wasn't for you. But it sure was for a lot of people, so not sure how your pleasant experience helps.
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Re: Miserable Partner War Stories  
  by: beepboopbeep   on: September 18, at 3:59:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
Think they work in Big 4 and never did biglaw beyond summering [...] lol People who were ibankers/bigaccountants before law school are the “as a mother...”s of law. Have some weird complex where they believe everyone else is a K-JD and never worked before. This is spot on. Consultants too. I had a partner make a comment early on in my biglaw career to the effect of, "well, it's ok, I know yo...
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Re: FICA Taxes on Bar Stipend  
  by: dabigchina   on: September 18, at 3:55:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
Just so I understand: they are asking you to reimburse the employer's portion of FICA? If so, that seems strange very strange.

edit: didn't mean to anon. mods, feel free to unanon me.
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by:   on: September 18, at 3:46:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
Federal Reserve cut rates again today. You think they would have done this if the economy wasn't stalling?
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Re: FICA Taxes on Bar Stipend  
  by: UnfrozenCaveman   on: September 18, at 3:41:36 pm   in: Legal Employment
I am not returning to the firm that paid me a Bar stipend. Is it normal practice for that firm to bill me for the FICA taxes that they apparently paid on the stipend? My offer letter mentions that, if I don't return to the firm, I agree to "reimburse the firm for any stipend/bar-related fees." However, it is not at all clear to me that a "tax" is the same thing as a "fee....
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: JustPass   on: September 18, at 3:10:46 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
If anyone wants to discuss and talk my email address is: VGR74@outlook.com I totally get it, sometimes it’s easier to discuss in private. Hope I can help everyone here! Don’t ever stop pursuing your dream. I did, even after getting academically dismissed from law schools in my past, before I actually graduated. So, sitting for the bar and finally passing the 5th time was a huge accomplishment for ...
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 3:08:22 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any offers after CB for Latham (not SoCal)?

I got an offer from Latham today. CB was two weeks ago.

Are you interested in litigation or corporate?
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 2:56:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone know Chicago/NY firms still hiring? Disappointed with the practice group placement but think I'm pretty late at this time....should I massmail in any way? I know Proskauer starts looking on October 1st. I interviewed with Kramer and Clifford Chance recently. They might still be scheduling interviews. Cravath is looking for executive comp associates. Clifford Chance recently dinged me ...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: JustPass   on: September 18, at 2:49:51 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi John. I was getting the same score on my first 4 exams in the FL MC. They are hard and worded kind of strange. I literally did the Celebration FLorida Specific MC book. It’s cheap. I bought mine on Amazon. It made a ton of difference for me and this time I didn’t have to multi-guess in the questions. I know they are not the most pleasant or interesting questions, but a few more correct, will ma...
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 2:42:41 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone know Chicago/NY firms still hiring? Disappointed with the practice group placement but think I'm pretty late at this time....should I massmail in any way? I know Proskauer starts looking on October 1st. I interviewed with Kramer and Clifford Chance recently. They might still be scheduling interviews. Cravath is looking for executive comp associates. Clifford Chance recently dinged me ...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: johngotti   on: September 18, at 2:26:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Part A Means
Essay 1 (FL Con Law/Professionalism) - 38.7
Essay 2 (Real Property) - 30.5
Essay 3 (Crim Law/Const'l Crim Procedure/Juv Delinquency/FL Con Law/Evidence) - 50.8
MC 1 (FL Rules Civil and Crim Procedure) - 17.5
MC 2 (FL Evidence) - 17.3
MC 3 (FL Wills) - 17.7

Passed the MBE with a 137, failed FL with a 122
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 2:24:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
Long time lurker, first time poster. Just got the call that I'm picked up for the Air Force via DAP! Onto the security/medical check gauntlet. Thank you to everyone who has shared years of knowledge here and good luck to everyone else waiting for a call. Congrats! I dont have my phone on me at work, but hopefully I have some good news when I get back to my car. Did anyone else find out? *cautious...
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New to the LSAT? Don't miss this online LSAT Seminar!  
  by: Blueprint LSAT   on: September 18, at 1:56:02 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Blueprint LSAT Veteran Instructor Dylan Gadek is hosting an online LSAT Seminar tonight. We're going over all aspects of the exam, and taking a look at some practice problems. Everyone is welcome to attend!

LSAT Seminar
Tonight, September 18, 2019, 6:30-7:30pm PST
RSVP: https://blueprintlsat.com/free-resource ... SATSeminar
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Recruiters in San Francisco for in-house positions?  
  by: newbie2   on: September 18, at 1:55:09 pm   in: Legal Employment
Mid-level (3-5 yr) generalist corp associate here in San Francisco here looking to move in-house. Anyone with experience making the same move using a recruiter care to share some recruiter names and your experience here? Thank you!
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Re: Fried Frank or Davis Polk NY?  
  by: DoveBodyWash   on: September 18, at 1:45:18 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you're set on real estate then FF. A small slice of DPW's RE group (already tiny group, they occupy less than half a floor) gets to do what I imagine are "real" RE deals and the rest just provide diligence support to M&A and sometimes bankruptcy. Their head partner was actually brought in from Fried Frank 6-7 years ago to help build that group out but looks like results are lukew...
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Re: Whistler Partners (Lateral recruiting?)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 1:40:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
Met up with one of the recruiters from Whistler Partners to discuss an in-house gig (he had presented the meeting as essentially a pre-screening for the position after I had sent him my resume), only for him to spend the entire time telling me I need to go to a firm and not discussing the in-house gig at all except to say I'm not qualified. Over the next couple of months, despite me telling him I ...
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Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?  
  by: PodPeople   on: September 18, at 1:35:17 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
https://www.themisbar.com/pass-rates At Berkeley law, FWIW, Themis advertised a 98% pass rate if you completed 75%+ of the course. Which is weird, because none of those states had 98%. Ca was 79. Pretty misleading imo. Yeah, but Berkeley's first-time pass rate alone is 90% for the CA bar, so it makes sense that 98% of Berkeley students who also finished 75%+ of the Themis course passed. *Disclosu...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 1:31:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
Long time lurker, first time poster. Just got the call that I'm picked up for the Air Force via DAP! Onto the security/medical check gauntlet. Thank you to everyone who has shared years of knowledge here and good luck to everyone else waiting for a call. Congrats! I dont have my phone on me at work, but hopefully I have some good news when I get back to my car. Did anyone else find out? *cautious...
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Re: Strategy when applying with some experience  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 1:30:53 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I am in a similar position, except I'm going the PI route. (If I get one of the PI fellowships, I'll be doing civil rights litigation for two years after graduation.) Is it really recommended that I start applying now for 2022? It looks like many of the judges I'm interested in only have clerkship openings for 2020.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: katrinax0x17   on: September 18, at 1:25:00 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi KATRINAX0X17, I am not sure how to PM on this site. Please PM me with your email address, since I am having tech difficulties. Anyway, I suggest taking both parts again versus only one part. First, when you take one part of the exam, you MUST obtain a minimum score of a 136. I tried that on my 4th attempt and failed with a 133. So, on this 5th attempt, I took both sides and passed on both side...
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Re: Please help me decide: MoFo (SF), Kirkland (SF), Ropes & Gray (SF), Sidley (PA)  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: September 18, at 1:12:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
I have never worked at any of these firms, but as a former SF Bay Area resident: Were I a 20something new to the Bay Area, I would never in a million years live in Palo Alto (or an adjacent suburb). It's dead dead dead. And going in to San Francisco on evenings/weekends is a pain---if you're drinking, you can't drive; traffic is horrible; an Uber is $$$; it's not nearly as close as it looks on a ...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: ELerner   on: September 18, at 1:03:19 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Just got the mail. Part A - 134 (Fail), Part B - 148 (Pass), Overall - 141 (Pass).

The Part A score is reported as a single number. No info broken out as to essays vs. MCQs.
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Re: Whistler Partners (Lateral recruiting?)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 1:03:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
Can't speak to their in-house placement ability but recently worked with Josh Bilgrei of Whistler for a lateral move and he was terrific.
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Re: Fried Frank or Davis Polk NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 1:00:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you're set on real estate then FF. A small slice of DPW's RE group (already tiny group, they occupy less than half a floor) gets to do what I imagine are "real" RE deals and the rest just provide diligence support to M&A and sometimes bankruptcy. Their head partner was actually brought in from Fried Frank 6-7 years ago to help build that group out but looks like results are lukew...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: ELerner   on: September 18, at 12:59:32 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

0134580 wrote:
OMG! Mood! i applied 2 years ago and they continue to ask me for, and about bullshit. They ALWAYS have an additional question about the same bullshit. Why didnt i pay my credit card bills on time while in law school? Because i wasnt fucking working and i didnt have any fucking money!! Sorry for being a fckn poor student?! ok, end rant

I hear you!
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 12:59:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone know Chicago/NY firms still hiring? Disappointed with the practice group placement but think I'm pretty late at this time....should I massmail in any way? I know Proskauer starts looking on October 1st. I interviewed with Kramer and Clifford Chance recently. They might still be scheduling interviews. Cravath is looking for executive comp associates. Clifford Chance recently dinged me ...
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Whistler Partners (Lateral recruiting?)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 12:58:18 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anyone know anything about this recruiting firm in NYC? They seem to try to place big law associates into in house positions but I felt a little weird speaking to someone there. Also I rarely get emails from recruiters about in house positions, so just wanted to see if anyone had any experience.
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 12:53:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone know Chicago/NY firms still hiring? Disappointed with the practice group placement but think I'm pretty late at this time....should I massmail in any way? I know Proskauer starts looking on October 1st. I interviewed with Kramer and Clifford Chance recently. They might still be scheduling interviews. Cravath is looking for executive comp associates. Clifford Chance recently dinged me ...
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Re: 3L OCI 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 12:32:42 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know Chicago/NY firms still hiring? Disappointed with the practice group placement but think I'm pretty late at this time....should I massmail in any way?

I know Proskauer starts looking on October 1st.

I interviewed with Kramer and Clifford Chance recently. They might still be scheduling interviews.

Cravath is looking for executive comp associates.
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Re: NY Offers 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 12:29:45 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Kramer ding.

For a summer position or for an entry level position?
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Re: Fried Frank or Davis Polk NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 12:27:18 pm   in: Legal Employment
what's stopping you from taking DPW? I have an interest in real estate, and heard some interesting stuff about Davis Polk's culture. Don't know if the overall "prestige" at DP would trump real estate/asset management strengths at FF. I work at FF, so take with a grain of salt. The RE practice is great. Really top notch. Any firm will take a FF RE lateral. The culture is also really grea...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: 0134580   on: September 18, at 12:26:38 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
No results in the mail today in Tampa, hopefully tomorrow. Anyone get them today? SRQ here. My USPS Informed Delivery, which emails me in the morning and shows me images of the envelopes being delivered later today, shows something from the Board of Bar Examiners. Hopefully it's the bar results and not another "Hey, we decided we want more information about X in connection with your fitness ...
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Do I have to start over?  
  by: egglord   on: September 18, at 12:15:39 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I went to law school a few years ago. I did well and left in good standing, but did not finish the degree. Nearly every school requires one to complete a JD in six years. If I went back, I would not be within that space unless my time away was exempted (which I don't think it would be). While this would be an easier question to ask my original institution, I have moved far away and have a family n...
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Re: Strong LORs  
  by: Wild Card   on: September 18, at 12:13:26 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
It has helped me significantly in the clerkship hiring process, but helped me only negligibly in the law school admissions process.

It may have helped me overcome some of the racism and sexism of the admissions process, but that may not apply to you.
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Re: Strong LORs  
  by: nixy   on: September 18, at 11:58:38 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I guess it depends what you mean by VERY strong. Like, are we talking you are applying to Harvard and have LORs from Kagan and Obama? That would probably move the needle A LOT. Or are you just saying you have undergrad professors and former supervisors that really believe in you? LORs depend pretty much on who wrote them (unless, like mentioned earlier, they are bad). Who writes them only matters...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 11:53:04 am   in: Legal Employment
Any bets on when interview selectees are released? Im guessing the 25th or 26th.
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: dabigchina   on: September 18, at 11:51:53 am   in: Legal Employment
The economic data clearly shows that the world economy is slowing and this will inevitably hit the U.S. economy. Will be interesting to see how law firms handle the coming recession this time around. If the data "clearly shows" a slowdown then why did the DJI gain 1000 points in the last month? Somehow everyone on this forum knows what wall street investors don't, y'all should consider ...
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Re: Strong LORs  
  by: thriller1122   on: September 18, at 11:48:36 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I guess it depends what you mean by VERY strong. Like, are we talking you are applying to Harvard and have LORs from Kagan and Obama? That would probably move the needle A LOT. Or are you just saying you have undergrad professors and former supervisors that really believe in you? LORs depend pretty much on who wrote them (unless, like mentioned earlier, they are bad).
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Re: Strong LORs  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: September 18, at 11:46:26 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
On law-school websites telling lies: they can’t come anywhere near implying that there is a numbers-based formula or they’d be hit with lawsuits by a mixture of jilted rejects and people complaining about affirmative action. So there is a bit of a preaching about “holistic admissions” to justify their ability to make decisions at all. Ask them directly and anyone in law-school admissions will admi...
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Re: Alternative Careers for big law refugees  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 11:33:20 am   in: Legal Employment
OP here. Didn't mean to make this a thread about admissions staff at law schools lol. Out of curiosity I checked with the ex-law big associate is making at the t-14 (it's public) and it's under $75k. Damn I don't think I could take a job (that is 40 hours a week), no matter how chill it is, that is under $150k so that's out.
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Re: PLIP 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 11:32:50 am   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Had callbacks with Foley Lardner and Alston Bird, still waiting to hear back, anyone hear anything?

Which office of Foley? Waiting to hear back too.

Boston

Have you heard anything in the past couple weeks?
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Re: jobless 3L at T14  
  by: nixy   on: September 18, at 11:18:02 am   in: Legal Employment
All that said, if the OP is in an enormous city and hasn’t looked outside traditional biglaw/at mid-law jobs, they should do the latter first. (I don’t know if they have, just throwing it out there.)
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Re: Strong LORs  
  by: nixy   on: September 18, at 11:15:46 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
If I understand correctly, too, Yale is different in that it has faculty very involved in the admissions process, where at other schools it’s usually all (or at least mostly?) staff, and faculty can be very unpredictable about who they want to admit.
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Re: Stealth Layoff Check-in  
  by: BrainsyK   on: September 18, at 11:09:11 am   in: Legal Employment
If the data "clearly shows" a slowdown then why did the DJI gain 1000 points in the last month? Somehow everyone on this forum knows what wall street investors don't, y'all should consider a career change with all of that knowledge US GDP is down 1% in Q2. NY Fed. forecast has it down another ~0.5%. That's economic data. Equities markets isn't necessarily always reflective of underlying...
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Re: Strong LORs  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: September 18, at 11:03:19 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Yale is hilariously numbers-focused. Their 25th %ile student has a 3.85 and a 170 - check out that compares to the 25th at other schools. You don't achieve that without ruthless winnowing. It's just that they're so small and sought-after that they can afford to be choosy about other things as well, and those are the factors that Asha talked about in her blog. Again, soft factors can make or break ...
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Re: Kramer Levin leveraged finance interviews  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 18, at 10:42:53 am   in: Legal Employment
OP update: Dinged
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