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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: dontsaywhatyoumean   on: December 3, at 7:23:28 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Dammit, didn't think of brute forcing G3 Q1. I'm not used to brute forcing the 1st question. I only made 1 inference for the 3rd game.

If 1 point would have saved my score, and I got that one wrong, I will be annoyed.

I gave up on the rest of the game, figuring that if I couldn't get that one then I would have no chance at the other Q's, and then proceeded to game 4.
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: 34iplaw   on: December 3, at 7:21:51 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

Smortensen wrote:
jdanz wrote:Am I the only one who thought LR was actually hard
Nope! Right there with you.

I thought one LR was on the medium-harder side. First one in my ordering. Second one I thought was on the easier end.
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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants  
  by: HennessyVSOP   on: December 3, at 7:21:43 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Sup everyone



It's not to late to apply right?

Convince me it's not too late

Just sent all my applications yesterday!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=266481

Re: Contracts question  
  by: pancakes3   on: December 3, at 7:21:27 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
You argue both ways - either it's unilateral and you didn't breach or it's bilateral and you breached. If bilateral: You offered $50 in exchange for a chair. They agreed. Offer + Acceptance + Consideration (money for chair) makes a contract and you breached. If bilateral: You offered $50 in exchange for the chair. They accept by presenting a chair. They have not presented the chair yet, so contrac...
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Re: Overheard at the LSAT  
  by: calpolisci2016   on: December 3, at 7:21:10 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
During the beginning instructions period, the proctor said no cell phones were allowed. So this one kid, who also checked in late, got up and tried to hand his cell phone to the proctor. The proctor told them that he couldn't even have the cell phone on the premises, and told the kid he had to be dismissed right there and then. Bummer!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=132620

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)  
  by: swoonster   on: December 3, at 7:19:29 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
does cornell law let students take classes in other colleges? i.e. business school
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Re: Any chance of a T30 with these numbers?  
  by: heythatslife   on: December 3, at 7:18:25 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
If LG is the section holding you back, then you can definitely break into the 160s. I sucked at LG when I started, and I mean really sucked like taking over an hour to do an LG section and still got only half of the questions right. I ended up in the mid-170s eventually. Just drill the hell out of the games to the point where you can diagram without even thinking about it. I did one LG section a d...
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Re: Overheard at the LSAT  
  by: pleasesendhelp   on: December 3, at 7:16:53 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Someone asked, when instructed to transcribe the text on side 2 of the answer sheet, if the directions were correct because in the first line it says, "I certify that it is my name that appears on this answer sheet" and she hadn't written her name yet. Check in was at 8:30. By the time we reached this point, it was past 9:30.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=132620

Re: Columbia c/o 2020 applicants (2016-2017)  
  by: ec333   on: December 3, at 7:16:08 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
ED application complete on 11/14, but radio silence since then. GPA > 75, LSAT = 25. Accepted to a couple other T-14's so looks like nothing disastrous in the application... should I be bummed? General wait time from complete to interview request for ED app? I got in ED on 11/29, after submitting on 11/02 (I went complete the next day). I had a GPA > 75 and my LSAT was in between the 25th and 50t...
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Re: Contracts question  
  by: cdotson2   on: December 3, at 7:14:36 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I tell you: you build me a chair and I'll pay you $50. You start building and when you're about 85% done, I say "nah, nvm." What happens here? You didn't build me the chair so the contract isn't completed but I can't just renege right? I have in my notes something about an option contract. Rest 45. when performance has commenced on a unilateral contract, the performer gets a reasonable ...
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Re: Columbia c/o 2020 applicants (2016-2017)  
  by: myronbolitar   on: December 3, at 7:13:56 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
ED application complete on 11/14, but radio silence since then. GPA > 75, LSAT = 25. Accepted to a couple other T-14's so looks like nothing disastrous in the application... should I be bummed? General wait time from complete to interview request for ED app?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=267650

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: shotgunheist   on: December 3, at 7:11:11 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

Instrumental wrote:
cherrygalore wrote:I had LR-RC-LR-LG-LR. I thought the third game was tricky and the fourth was hard. But other than that I felt like most of the LR and RC were easy.
You missed the most important detail though,
#teambrewpub or #teambrewery?


All these people choosing brewpub... it's almost 50/50 in the poll right now...

Can't believe I will have to endure law school with all these MORONS
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: batlaw   on: December 3, at 7:09:55 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

cherrygalore wrote:I had LR-RC-LR-LG-LR. I thought the third game was tricky and the fourth was hard. But other than that I felt like most of the LR and RC were easy.


I had the same sequence ... of the LR, which of these was experimental, the middle one? Or does it vary between test takers?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: Overheard at the LSAT  
  by: Instrumental   on: December 3, at 7:09:53 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
A kid in my room brought a bunch of mechanical pencils and didn't know he couldn't use them. Oh wait that was me *facepalm* In my defense they were #2 and non-refillable, so I couldn't have put non #2 lead in but got dayum that was embarrassing. Edit- I just reread the admission ticket, it doesn't say no mechanical pencils. Am I going crazy? Read the section on prohibited non electronic devices o...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=132620

Re: Columbia c/o 2020 applicants (2016-2017)  
  by: notorious_mig   on: December 3, at 7:04:37 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Woooooo hi I'm making my ~third post~ here on TLS as a proud owner of a brand new account So quick question: I have an interview with Columbia next week and if I'm gonna speculate it's either because 1) I'm a borderline applicant (3.67 + 170) or 2) of my C&F. Re: the C&F, I was dismissed from my undergrad for the first semester of freshman year for having ~0.9 g of a certain green leafy s...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Instrumental   on: December 3, at 7:04:33 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

cherrygalore wrote:I had LR-RC-LR-LG-LR. I thought the third game was tricky and the fourth was hard. But other than that I felt like most of the LR and RC were easy.
You missed the most important detail though,
#teambrewpub or #teambrewery?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: Overheard at the LSAT  
  by: circle.the.wagons   on: December 3, at 7:02:17 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
A kid in my room brought a bunch of mechanical pencils and didn't know he couldn't use them.

Oh wait that was me *facepalm*

In my defense they were #2 and non-refillable, so I couldn't have put non #2 lead in but got dayum that was embarrassing.

Edit- I just reread the admission ticket, it doesn't say no mechanical pencils. Am I going crazy?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=132620

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: fips tedora   on: December 3, at 7:02:04 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

cherrygalore wrote:I had LR-RC-LR-LG-LR. I thought the third game was tricky and the fourth was hard. But other than that I felt like most of the LR and RC were easy.
My sentiments, exactly.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Contracts question  
  by: perfunctory   on: December 3, at 6:59:58 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I tell you: you build me a chair and I'll pay you $50. You start building and when you're about 85% done, I say "nah, nvm." What happens here? You didn't build me the chair so the contract isn't completed but I can't just renege right? I have in my notes something about an option contract.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=271629

Re: Is Sullivan & Cromwell really that bad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 3, at 6:59:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think that's a fair to good point. My counter would be that even in "free market" firms it's easy for a partner to take a shine to you and not always easy to turn down work. The individuals that you work for will always trump the reputation of the firm generally, but all other things being equal, why not choose a place with a much lower percentage of crazies? Even back when I worked t...
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Re: Overheard at the LSAT  
  by: Pozzo   on: December 3, at 6:55:29 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Usual unprepared comments on the test takers' part, but the proctors really brought a strong game today. 1. Didn't even start check-in until 8:30. Kind of a nuissance. 2. When filling out the test booklet information, the proctor said, "Make sure you get it right, so you can get your A's as quickly as possible." Yes, our A's. 3. One proctor collected a student's answer sheet when collect...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=132620

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Smortensen   on: December 3, at 6:54:24 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

jdanz wrote:Am I the only one who thought LR was actually hard
Nope! Right there with you.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: cherrygalore   on: December 3, at 6:53:56 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I had LR-RC-LR-LG-LR. I thought the third game was tricky and the fourth was hard. But other than that I felt like most of the LR and RC were easy.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: 2Little 2Late  
  by: radio1nowhere   on: December 3, at 6:48:34 pm   in: TLS Class of 2018 Forum
We're required to take "practical skills" courses and have an "advanced writing requirement" Basically that means getting class credit for big fed internship + journal. Apparently we get 2 hours just for being on a journal, which is also cool. We get credits for journal but they don't count towards our writing requirement My school doesn't give class credit for law review. I f...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=248175

Re: To cancel, or not to cancel?  
  by: ughhhh   on: December 3, at 6:46:51 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
It seems like LG being toughest is the general consensus. New games are appearing on tests that go beyond grouping and ordering, and that doesn't look like it's going to change so maybe that's why it wasn't so intuitive for you this time. Since you've done so many practice tests I would definitely assess how much you think retaking will actually improve your score. If it's just nerves and the one ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=271628

Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)  
  by: Bearlyalive   on: December 3, at 6:46:10 pm   in: TLS Class of 2019 Forum
Moar practice tests!!!!111!!11eleventy-one!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=267354

Re: Any chance of a T30 with these numbers?  
  by: MrSam   on: December 3, at 6:46:04 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
In my case, it took 1 full year, 3 actual takes, and taking each lsat published at least 3 times in full testing condition. Yes, I did take around 240 lsats in full practice conditions. That's reassuring. I suppose I could always sit the December test, apply this cycle, and I don't get into my top picks, retake and apply next cycle. At least I'll have everything ready to go. From my diagnostic. K...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: dj9i27   on: December 3, at 6:40:53 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I just want to cry. I can't delay another year :cry: What score are you aiming for, how do you think you did? What were you PT'ing? I was aiming for 165ish and I think I did my averages on LR, better than average on RC, and I think (I know) I bombed LG. My PT's were all over the place. From 171 to the low 160's. So probably a 165 average. So I sat out this test and can't comment on the difficulty...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: bearedman8   on: December 3, at 6:39:09 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
No one is talking about games 1 and 2, which were super standard LSAT logic games. I think that the trend is shifting to having 2 standard, easy (~5 minute) games, a standard but medium/difficult game, and an unusual game. I did well on this games section, but I drilled a TON of games after going -3 in September. I think that the key was doing games 1 and 2 quickly. That left you with enough time ...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: dontsaywhatyoumean   on: December 3, at 6:37:42 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I just want to cry. I can't delay another year :cry: What score are you aiming for, how do you think you did? What were you PT'ing? I was aiming for 165ish and I think I did my averages on LR, better than average on RC, and I think (I know) I bombed LG. My PT's were all over the place. From 171 to the low 160's. So probably a 165 average. That doesn't sound so bad, really, at all. Not incredible....
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Re: Policy vs Litigation (Public Interest)  
  by: Minnietron   on: December 3, at 6:36:54 pm   in: Legal Employment

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
But I also think career paths tend to be kind of convoluted and unpredictable, so it's hard to say for certain.
So you're saying: "it depends" ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=271626

Re: To cancel, or not to cancel?  
  by: calpolisci2016   on: December 3, at 6:34:30 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Cancel only if you significantly bombed a section (didnt even get to an entire games or passage section, had to go to the bathroom for 15 min during a section, etc.)

If you conducted the test as normal, do not cancel.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=271628

Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)  
  by: slippin_jimmy   on: December 3, at 6:34:03 pm   in: TLS Class of 2019 Forum
Making a return to say that studying on a Saturday night is just not right.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=267354

Re: To cancel, or not to cancel?  
  by: judill   on: December 3, at 6:32:52 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
From personal experience, do not cancel. I debated this on my second take this past June and it drove me crazy. I ended up with a score I was very happy with. Try not to worry!
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: 180orDie   on: December 3, at 6:31:57 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

dontsaywhatyoumean wrote:
180orDie wrote:I just want to cry. I can't delay another year
What score are you aiming for, how do you think you did? What were you PT'ing?
I was aiming for 165ish and I think I did my averages on LR, better than average on RC, and I think (I know) I bombed LG. My PT's were all over the place. From 171 to the low 160's. So probably a 165 average.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: Is Sullivan & Cromwell really that bad?  
  by: smaug   on: December 3, at 6:31:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think that's a fair to good point.

My counter would be that even in "free market" firms it's easy for a partner to take a shine to you and not always easy to turn down work. The individuals that you work for will always trump the reputation of the firm generally, but all other things being equal, why not choose a place with a much lower percentage of crazies?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=253012

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: calpolisci2016   on: December 3, at 6:30:22 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Man, I was hoping Dec LSAT would have a conventional LG section to make up for the odd ball game of Sept. but NOPE.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: calpolisci2016   on: December 3, at 6:29:45 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I think Sept. LG section was wayyy easier than Dec's LG section.

At least with the virus game, I had an idea and a strong intuition of how to set up the game.

For Dec's 4th trading game, I had NO idea what to do. Hoping the the LSAC gods placed "B" for almost all the answer choices.
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Re: To cancel, or not to cancel?  
  by: bearedman8   on: December 3, at 6:29:36 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I would recommend against cancelling. It's normal to feel like you did worse than your PT average. Unless something went horrifically wrong (like you misdiagrammed a rule in LG and didn't start the 4th game, or got a bloody nose and had to go to the bathroom for 5 minutes, etc.), I'd say keep your score. Plus, law schools only care about your highest score. If you cancel, then you have to retake r...
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Re: To cancel, or not to cancel?  
  by: dontsaywhatyoumean   on: December 3, at 6:28:14 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
There is zero upside to canceling. Law schools(other than maybe HYS) only take the highest score. Plus you could have easily guessed right on a few/done better than you thought. There was an old thread on the lsat reddit that people canceled scores into the 170s thinking they did terribly. Unless you straight up didn't bubble an entire section DO NOT CANCEL. If you cancel your score do you also g...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: dontsaywhatyoumean   on: December 3, at 6:27:32 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

180orDie wrote:I just want to cry. I can't delay another year
What score are you aiming for, how do you think you did? What were you PT'ing?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: 180orDie   on: December 3, at 6:27:06 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I just want to cry. I can't delay another year
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: To cancel, or not to cancel?  
  by: Zoidberg747   on: December 3, at 6:26:33 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
There is zero upside to canceling. Law schools(other than maybe HYS) only take the highest score. Plus you could have easily guessed right on a few/done better than you thought. There was an old thread on the lsat reddit that people almost canceled scores into the 170s thinking they did terribly. Unless you straight up didn't bubble an entire section DO NOT CANCEL.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=271628

Re: CFPB screwed? What about Honors?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 3, at 6:24:17 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:So is the CFPB Honors Program totally ****ed? I'd really like to work and there and think I'm a strong contender, but ugh.


Ended up getting a summer offer. Should I say no to it? Does a hiring freeze affect summer hires?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=271145

Re: Overheard at the LSAT  
  by: dontsaywhatyoumean   on: December 3, at 6:15:49 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Wow, if that's true... He may have literally just wasted a whole year of these people's professional lives.

I don't have anything that was overheard this time, but I will say that there was a surprising number of attractive girls in my sitting. Not at all like last year, and there were even fewer people sitting this time.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=132620

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: nimbus cloud   on: December 3, at 6:13:58 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
So I had two RCs and one of them was relatively easy (first section) but the other one (third section) was a complete joke. I usually barely finish on time, but this one I got done 10 (!) minutes early and tripled checked my answers. Somehow still managed to not remember which passages the easiest one had to determine if it was experimental or real. :mrgreen: Game 3 I did not make the key inferenc...
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Re: Is Sullivan & Cromwell really that bad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 3, at 6:12:51 pm   in: Legal Employment
I worked at S&C. In my view, it was the best law firm to start a legal career for three reasons. First and foremost, S&C is a true meritocracy. As a law clerk, I worked on project teams consisting of (i) a partner, a 7th/8th year associate, and me or (ii) a partner and me on 80%+ of my matters. I didn't have to runaround in circles because there were no third-year associates who couldn't ...
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Re: Overheard at the LSAT  
  by: Pozzo   on: December 3, at 6:10:51 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

Shemp wrote:Here's an amazing story from the LSAT subreddit:


My God. Amazingly terrifying.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=132620

Re: Is Sullivan & Cromwell really that bad?  
  by: smaug   on: December 3, at 6:07:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
I worked at S&C. In my view, it was the best law firm to start a legal career for three reasons. First and foremost, S&C is a true meritocracy. As a law clerk, I worked on project teams consisting of (i) a partner, a 7th/8th year associate, and me or (ii) a partner and me on 80%+ of my matters. I didn't have to runaround in circles because there were no third-year associates who couldn't ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=253012

Re: Overheard at the LSAT  
  by: Shemp   on: December 3, at 6:06:25 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Here's an amazing story from the LSAT subreddit: Around the 23 minute mark of section 1, some guy started screaming outside the doors to the test room (only 15-25 people wrote at my centre). He barged in yelling about being unable to write the test because he arrived at 9:05. His argument was "the ticket says check in by 8:30 and I got here at 9 so why can't I write??" The 3 proctors cou...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: dontsaywhatyoumean   on: December 3, at 6:03:35 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Checking in. Trying to figure out which LR was experimental. Would someone who didn't have LR experimental tell me if they had a stimulus on (a) octopuses choosing red balls or (b)a tickling machine inducing laughter. Also, game 4, HAH. Game 3 was a massive time sink. RC was relatively OK. I don't remember seeing either of those questions (I had an experimental LG). I had experimental LR and I do...
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Re: Boston University C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)  
  by: vcap180   on: December 3, at 6:01:54 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

grandpapy360 wrote:Hi guys I'm not applying this cycle but would any of you happen to know what the full ride ED GPA/LSAT range is?

Sorry if this is the improper forum, I've tried searching others and found nothing. Thank you!

A lot of the anxiety in this thread stems from the fact that the answer to this question is very unclear.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=268191

Re: Is Sullivan & Cromwell really that bad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 3, at 5:59:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
I worked at S&C. In my view, it was the best law firm to start a legal career for three reasons. First and foremost, S&C is a true leanly-staffed meritocracy. As a law clerk, I worked on project teams consisting of (i) a partner, a 7th/8th year associate, and me or (ii) a partner and me on 80%+ of my matters. I learned a lot from experienced lawyers and didn't have to runaround in circles ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=253012

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: amta   on: December 3, at 5:59:06 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

Instrumental wrote:Also, where are the homies
amta wrote:
and
cherrygalore wrote:

west coast mayne. im out. had experimental lg and girl next to me was having a very audible panic attack through sections 1 and 2. calling a 166
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: bearedman8   on: December 3, at 5:56:32 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
How does one know which of the two logic games is the experimental one? It's impossible to tell until after the exam is over. Every LSAT will always have the following sections, in variable order, a reading comprehension, analytical reasoning (logic games), two logical reasoning, and one experimental. The experimental can be any of the other three sections. So if you have 2 logic games sections, ...
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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)  
  by: Willie Beamen   on: December 3, at 5:55:05 pm   in: TLS Class of 2019 Forum
Inhale confidence, exhale doubt.
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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)  
  by: Willie Beamen   on: December 3, at 5:54:20 pm   in: TLS Class of 2019 Forum
so taking an old exam for contracts with a group of people (its from 02 bc apparently our professor hasn't taught this in awhile) its a 2 hour test, most people have 1300-1500+ words between the 3 questions and I'm over here with 975 words.... like I should just drop out now right? They could be typing stuff that isn't on point-- at least that was the case with me on a practice exam I just took. ...
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To cancel, or not to cancel?  
  by: WiltyMIZ   on: December 3, at 5:53:04 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
That is sort of the question. I just finished with the December administration of the LSAT and I hate the feeling that lingers as a result. This is my first take of the exam and I can admit it felt very nervous, but I dont think that alone is grounds for such action. However, after finishing I can safely say I feel worse than normal in comparison to my practice tests. Usually reading is what butch...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Law2020hopeful   on: December 3, at 5:52:28 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

prospectivepigeon wrote:How does one know which of the two logic games is the experimental one?

Because people have different experimental sections. I had two RC sections so I know the LG sections with the buildings, paintings and mystery clues is the real one.
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Instrumental   on: December 3, at 5:51:57 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

prospectivepigeon wrote:How does one know which of the two logic games is the experimental one?
The experimental section is usually (always?) in the first half of the exam. Also it is usually easier and has broken questions (pretty sure I ran into a question with multiple correct answers in the experimental LG, but maybe not).
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: aguilareal   on: December 3, at 5:51:17 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
International test centre check in!
Completely different test (thank god, that LG section seemed rough) but still had the same writing sample #teambrewery
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: fips tedora   on: December 3, at 5:51:05 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I ended up finishing all 4 games, yet the 4th was the hardest. RC was easier than expected, and I enjoyed the passages. LR wasn't too hard either. The curve won't be more than -11.
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Please Critique My Personal Statement  
  by: cakewalk   on: December 3, at 5:50:59 pm   in: Law School Personal Statements
I'm hoping to submit asap. Mainly t20 schools. 3.6/167 Non-URM. Any critique or notes welcome. Especially if you can help point out cliches and alternatives. Personal Statement Memories of my childhood are clouded with cigarette smoke and stomach pangs, littered with stacks of unpaid bills and empty whiskey bottles. My mom and I lived in a crowded two-bedroom trailer with rotating roommates when I...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: prospectivepigeon   on: December 3, at 5:48:33 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
How does one know which of the two logic games is the experimental one?
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: bearedman8   on: December 3, at 5:47:01 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

prospectivepigeon wrote:were the buildings or real estate question and art hanging on the wall questions part of experimental logic games?

That was the real games section.

My experimental games section ended with musicians. The real one ended with the buildings.
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Instrumental   on: December 3, at 5:45:40 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

Pozzo wrote:

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: prospectivepigeon   on: December 3, at 5:44:40 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
were the buildings or real estate question and art hanging on the wall questions part of experimental logic games?
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Re: How long can you typically last in NYC/DC Biglaw?  
  by: UnicornHunter   on: December 3, at 5:44:27 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate

MAPP wrote:So, if a firm requires 2000 billables in a year, we're really looking at putting in 2200?

Tough to say. Which is kind of the point I'm making about all of this- it's really impossible to say what your big law experience will be like. So for planning purposes, assume it will be median.
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Instrumental   on: December 3, at 5:44:22 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi I am hoping to take the September/October 2017 LSAT. It seems from this test that there were some who were caught by surprise by logic games at the end before the essay. Is this the experimental section?? If not, what are ways to prepare for the logic games that were seen on this test??? The game people are stressed about was not an experimental section. LSAT has begun to make the last game a ...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: jdanz   on: December 3, at 5:43:45 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Am I the only one who thought LR was actually hard
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: bearedman8   on: December 3, at 5:43:18 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Checking in. Trying to figure out which LR was experimental. Would someone who didn't have LR experimental tell me if they had a stimulus on (a) octopuses choosing red balls or (b)a tickling machine inducing laughter. Also, game 4, HAH. Game 3 was a massive time sink. RC was relatively OK. I don't remember seeing either of those questions (I had an experimental LG). I had experimental LR and I do...
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Re: Michigan c/o 2020 applicants (2016-17)  
  by: amberb94   on: December 3, at 5:43:04 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Anyone have any idea how long I should expect the turnaround to be if I submitted 11/14 and went complete today? I know some people submitted in September and didn't hear until November, but do you think there's a chance I will know before Christmas? I'm very antsy because I love Michigan.
GPA>25, LSAT>75, wrote a Why Mich.
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Re: New associate fuck up thread (and tips for slacking)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 3, at 5:42:24 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:i'm not cut out for this job.


I honestly think this everyday.
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Pozzo   on: December 3, at 5:42:19 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: dontsaywhatyoumean   on: December 3, at 5:40:02 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Checking in. Trying to figure out which LR was experimental. Would someone who didn't have LR experimental tell me if they had a stimulus on (a) octopuses choosing red balls or (b)a tickling machine inducing laughter. Also, game 4, HAH. Game 3 was a massive time sink. RC was relatively OK. I don't remember seeing either of those questions (I had an experimental LG). I had experimental LR and I do...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: bearedman8   on: December 3, at 5:38:57 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

brewpub16 wrote:Checking in. Trying to figure out which LR was experimental. Would someone who didn't have LR experimental tell me if they had a stimulus on (a) octopuses choosing red balls or (b)a tickling machine inducing laughter. Also, game 4, HAH. Game 3 was a massive time sink. RC was relatively OK.

Those were definitely experimental.
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Instrumental   on: December 3, at 5:38:11 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

brewpub16 wrote:Checking in. Trying to figure out which LR was experimental. Would someone who didn't have LR experimental tell me if they had a stimulus on (a) octopuses choosing red balls or (b)a tickling machine inducing laughter. Also, game 4, HAH. Game 3 was a massive time sink. RC was relatively OK.
I don't remember seeing either of those questions (I had an experimental LG).
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Re: How long can you typically last in NYC/DC Biglaw?  
  by: MAPP   on: December 3, at 5:36:52 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
So, if a firm requires 2000 billables in a year, we're really looking at putting in 2200?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=271591

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: prospectivepigeon   on: December 3, at 5:36:36 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi I am hoping to take the September/October 2017 LSAT. It seems from this test that there were some who were caught by surprise by logic games at the end before the essay. Is this the experimental section?? If not, what are ways to prepare for the logic games that were seen on this test???
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: brewpub16   on: December 3, at 5:36:23 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Checking in. Trying to figure out which LR was experimental. Would someone who didn't have LR experimental tell me if they had a stimulus on (a) octopuses choosing red balls or (b)a tickling machine inducing laughter. Also, game 4, HAH. Game 3 was a massive time sink. RC was relatively OK.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: Michigan c/o 2020 applicants (2016-17)  
  by: Christinabruin   on: December 3, at 5:36:23 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
I finally went complete today! Yay! :mrgreen: When'd you submit? 11/14! Did you submit ED? Submitted app on 11/13, 11/14 initial email (we received your initial application), 11/21 status tracker email. App still in-process No, I'm RD. I also got my status checker on 11/21, so I bet yours will be complete soon too. That's good to hear! I'm also RD, submitted 11/11 and got the status tracker email...
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Re: How long can you typically last in NYC/DC Biglaw?  
  by: Bob loblaw law blog   on: December 3, at 5:34:24 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
3 is the median, so I'd plan on that. Sure, but does that median include those who voluntarily left the firm? (I would assume it does) Of course but it's almost impossible to say what's voluntary and what's being forced out and what's kind of in between. Remember, we're talking about people who performed well at top law schools here- the firm lifestyle chews up everybody. And "realization ra...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Instrumental   on: December 3, at 5:34:12 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Also, where are the homies

amta wrote:
and
cherrygalore wrote:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258855

Re: Loyola Law Los Angeles c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)  
  by: liuwenyu   on: December 3, at 5:31:21 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

bg5178 wrote:Has anyone received their status checker email? I applied back in October and have yet to receive it.

I applied mid-November and received the status checker link with the confirmation email the day after I submitted. Maybe check the spam folder?
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Re: How long can you typically last in NYC/DC Biglaw?  
  by: UnicornHunter   on: December 3, at 5:29:51 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
3 is the median, so I'd plan on that. Sure, but does that median include those who voluntarily left the firm? (I would assume it does) Of course but it's almost impossible to say what's voluntary and what's being forced out and what's kind of in between. Remember, we're talking about people who performed well at top law schools here- the firm lifestyle chews up everybody. And "realization ra...
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Re: February 2017 LSAT Thread  
  by: Law2020hopeful   on: December 3, at 5:28:58 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Checking in because I somehow thought it was a good idea to eat a huge breakfast (bagel, 2 bananas, 2 Greek yogurts) /'d a venti coffee (which I never drink) and a coke to get a mix of good nutrients and caffeine. Well it backfired because I got sick before check in even started. Anyway. I'm hoping when my score comes back it's somewhere I'm happy enough with but I'm all registered for February wi...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Instrumental   on: December 3, at 5:28:10 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I thought I did well on LR this time, but I thought the same thing back in Sept and went -11 so idk. I didn't even freak out on the fourth game, I just didn't have time to give it my full thought because game three siphoned a lot of time away. Also the first question on the last game took more time to work through than I think most questions of that type normally do.
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Re: New associate fuck up thread (and tips for slacking)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 3, at 5:27:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
i'm not cut out for this job.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=255191

Re: Government Honors (Non-DOJ) 2016-2017 Cycle  
  by: Anonymous User   on: December 3, at 5:27:08 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:"DOL regional interview (NY) invite. Interview is in mid-December."


Congrats! How did you get the notification and what time today?
Phone call in the afternoon. Good luck!


Was NY your top geographic preference?
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Re: How long can you typically last in NYC/DC Biglaw?  
  by: MAPP   on: December 3, at 5:27:01 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
3 is the median, so I'd plan on that. Sure, but does that median include those who voluntarily left the firm? (I would assume it does) Of course but it's almost impossible to say what's voluntary and what's being forced out and what's kind of in between. Remember, we're talking about people who performed well at top law schools here- the firm lifestyle chews up everybody. And "realization ra...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=271591

Re: Michigan c/o 2020 applicants (2016-17)  
  by: amberb94   on: December 3, at 5:23:38 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

lawschool2017712 wrote:
amberb94 wrote:
brinicolec wrote:
amberb94 wrote:I finally went complete today! Yay!


When'd you submit?

11/14!

Did you submit ED?

Submitted app on 11/13, 11/14 initial email (we received your initial application), 11/21 status tracker email. App still in-process

No, I'm RD. I also got my status checker on 11/21, so I bet yours will be complete soon too.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=268185

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Pozzo   on: December 3, at 5:20:27 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hey company buildings, fuck you. West coast just wrapped. Overall impression: easier than Sept, especially RC. LG was harder for sure. Realized I missed a key (easy) inference on game 3, which sucked up my time. Realized on the second to the last question on game 4, that there's a HUGE inference that unlocks the game, but it was too late. LR seemed pretty on par from recent PTs. My score is all w...
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Re: Michigan c/o 2020 applicants (2016-17)  
  by: lawschool2017712   on: December 3, at 5:19:42 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

amberb94 wrote:
brinicolec wrote:
amberb94 wrote:I finally went complete today! Yay!


When'd you submit?

11/14!

Did you submit ED?

Submitted app on 11/13, 11/14 initial email (we received your initial application), 11/21 status tracker email. App still in-process
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=268185

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: legirl12le   on: December 3, at 5:19:28 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hey company buildings, fuck you. West coast just wrapped. Overall impression: easier than Sept, especially RC. LG was harder for sure. Realized I missed a key (easy) inference on game 3, which sucked up my time. Realized on the second to the last question on game 4, that there's a HUGE inference that unlocks the game, but it was too late. LR seemed pretty on par from recent PTs. My score is all w...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Pozzo   on: December 3, at 5:17:47 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
West Coast back and checking in. :) Wow, I'm shocked at how easy I felt like everything was. I'm getting over a cold so I've been a bit groggy and I definitely didn't feel like I was there 100% today, but the exam honestly felt like a -10 curve to me. -10 sounds about right, especially given that Sept was just -12. Had a hard time with LG, but I think that's on me, not necessarily the difficulty.
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Re: Panic + Overcoming New LG Sections  
  by: 180orDie   on: December 3, at 5:17:42 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

kernel_man wrote:VERY SURE I WENT -0!!!!!!!!!!! Finished games in 24 minutes.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP. I'M SO HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You might be the only one.
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Re: Chicago C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)  
  by: KMart   on: December 3, at 5:15:54 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

Question12345 wrote:Went under review on 11/14, still haven't received an interview request. Getting nervous about that. Anyone else in a similar boat?
Nothing to be nervous about. Very early in the review process.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=267048

Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: fips tedora   on: December 3, at 5:13:11 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hey company buildings, fuck you. West coast just wrapped. Overall impression: easier than Sept, especially RC. LG was harder for sure. Realized I missed a key (easy) inference on game 3, which sucked up my time. Realized on the second to the last question on game 4, that there's a HUGE inference that unlocks the game, but it was too late. LR seemed pretty on par from recent PTs. My score is all w...
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Re: Policy vs Litigation (Public Interest)  
  by: A. Nony Mouse   on: December 3, at 5:11:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think this will depend on specifics, but it seems to me that going from policy to litigation would be harder than the other way around, in that without any litigation experience, you would have to go back to the beginning and work at an entry level, and that might look weird to employers. So if you spent 5 years (random number) litigating housing cases on behalf of tenants in low-income housing ...
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group  
  by: Law2020hopeful   on: December 3, at 5:10:58 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
First time test taker. My thoughts compared to the PTs I've done: LR: easy to medium RC: Average and the experimental was not hard but different LG: I didn't think any of the games were hard except the buildings. There was a big inference for buildings too that made it really easy once I got it. I actually thought the paintings were pretty average in difficulty. What got me today was TIME. I never...
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