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Re: Moved from doing Private Equity law to business role in Private Equity AMA  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: February 17, at 12:02:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
My (potentially useless) two cents is that if you aren't leaning in to the *JD* part of JD-MBA, you're sorta doing it wrong. Like, every banking associate out of MBA thinks s/he doesn't really belong there and should be making the big boy investment decisions on the buy-side, s/he's a year away from lateraling over, etc. It almost never happens. Why would be you any different? The answer is: You'...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: Delano   on: February 17, at 11:47:17 am   in: Choosing a Law School
So your trajectory might look like V10 > V50 > v100 > in house (HLS) rather than V50 > V100 > leaving law entirely (CLS). That's not what most corporate biglaw career trajectories look like, regardless of the school. And the notion that CLS students are somehow less competitive for firms with an arbitrary vault ranking cutoff is fucking absurd. I get that you've built up some weird inferiority co...
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Re: Moved from doing Private Equity law to business role in Private Equity AMA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 17, at 11:34:23 am   in: Legal Employment
My (potentially useless) two cents is that if you aren't leaning in to the *JD* part of JD-MBA, you're sorta doing it wrong. Like, every banking associate out of MBA thinks s/he doesn't really belong there and should be making the big boy investment decisions on the buy-side, s/he's a year away from lateraling over, etc. It almost never happens. Why would be you any different? The answer is: You'...
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Re: Yale full COA  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: February 17, at 11:31:03 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Posting again with an update! Received a Ruby at Chicago, so now decision is down to Chicago debt free or Yale full debt w/ plan for COAP. Leaning towards Chicago, because I think it makes sense for all the practical reasons & seems like having a Ruby should help with mentorship/etc, but can’t help thinking I’d be happier at Yale/nervous that Chicago doesn’t really have a public interest cult...
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: February 17, at 11:24:14 am   in: Legal Employment
FWIW I worked for several years before law school and am glad I did. Wouldn't delay for this, but don't have particularly strong feelings about it, as downside is just OP starting his/her career a year later.
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Re: GRE application and University of New Hampshire  
  by: antelope   on: February 17, at 11:22:23 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Have you looked at UNH's historic employment numbers? You can see them at Law School Transparency, and they're not very promising. Also, have you read news about the law school being at financial risk? Attending UNH law to improve job prospects doesn't add up Like cavalier mentioned, once you have a LSAT score on file, the GRE score won't matter for admissions. How can you not know have an idea on...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: Pennoyer v. Meh   on: February 17, at 11:17:45 am   in: Choosing a Law School
So your trajectory might look like V10 > V50 > v100 > in house (HLS) rather than V50 > V100 > leaving law entirely (CLS). My god, you sound like one of those doomsday preppers on television--unmoored from reality but projecting that the sky is falling nonetheless. Given your goals, OP, I'd either take the cheaper options at CLS/Chicago, or try and get even more money from MVP rather than paying ~...
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Re: Best schools for Indianapolis "Biglaw"  
  by: antelope   on: February 17, at 11:08:34 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
If you have strong ties to Indianapolis (which it seems you do) it should be possible to get big law there from a T14. You might not find a lot of students from them there, but it's most likely due to self-selection (Duke students wanting to work in the south, Cornell students preferring NY, etc)
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 17, at 10:40:37 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Anyone hear about either the Criminal or Civil AUSA positions in DNJ?
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Re: Exit options for BigLaw lit -- is in-house out of the question?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 17, at 10:35:28 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm a former Biglaw litigator who went in-house as a fifth year in a secondary market. Folks here are right that there are options but they tend to be fairly limited. I've also found that litigators once they do go in-house tend to stick around, so positions turn over less often. And the disparity between lit and non-lit jobs at major companies is remarkable. I'm at a F200 company with quite a lar...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: FND   on: February 17, at 10:12:44 am   in: Choosing a Law School
So your trajectory might look like V10 > V50 > v100 > in house (HLS) rather than V50 > V100 > leaving law entirely (CLS). the difference between these two scenarios is *not* whether you went to HLS or Columbia. This is silly. it's also completely fictional. I've had classmates who missed the biglaw boat initially and managed to get there eventually, including one who just lateraled into a V10. Li...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 17, at 9:33:29 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Has anyone received orders or base assignment for the 211th JAOBC? Or the email they were looking to get out listing if people were missing anything? I'm worried about getting everything moved as time drags on. We report to active duty in 25 days. How much notice do military movers need to get your stuff? :? I didn't get any updates in regards to orders. I got pushed from previous class, so I do ...
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 17, at 7:38:21 am   in: Legal Employment
KJD is a drawback at OCI, but non-KJDs seriously overestimate the benefits of work experience in general; it obviously has some benefits but the financial hit is significant. Supposed academic benefits are particularly suspect, liquid intelligence peaks disturbingly early and academic honors and LR are were significantly disproportionately KJD at the CCN I attended. There are valid arguments for ...
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Re: Multiple lsat scores addendum  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 17, at 7:34:59 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
It might be worth writing an addendum for the multiple cancellations/absences, not for the score change.

And have you tried getting accommodations?
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Re: GRE application and University of New Hampshire  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 17, at 7:33:51 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
1. If you take the LSAT, there's no point in taking the GRE.

2. This is a horrible reason to go to law school:

hoylej18 wrote:After deciding that this job market just isn't working out for me, I decided to try my hand at something a little more practical.
Go to law school if you want to be a lawyer, full stop. Don't go on a whim.

3. Why do you thin UNH's program is a good fit? What are your career goals?
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: nixy   on: February 17, at 7:33:09 am   in: Choosing a Law School

Wild Card wrote:So your trajectory might look like V10 > V50 > v100 > in house (HLS) rather than V50 > V100 > leaving law entirely (CLS).
the difference between these two scenarios is *not* whether you went to HLS or Columbia. This is silly.
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: nixy   on: February 17, at 7:30:29 am   in: Legal Employment
Plus, the OP is considering deferring for *one year.* They're not going to magically get stupider in one year.
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 17, at 7:29:07 am   in: Choosing a Law School
So your trajectory might look like V10 > V50 > v100 > in house (HLS) rather than V50 > V100 > leaving law entirely (CLS). That's not what most corporate biglaw career trajectories look like, regardless of the school. And the notion that CLS students are somehow less competitive for firms with an arbitrary vault ranking cutoff is fucking absurd. I get that you've built up some weird inferiority co...
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Re: Yale full COA  
  by: mocking   on: February 17, at 6:56:58 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Posting again with an update! Received a Ruby at Chicago, so now decision is down to Chicago debt free or Yale full debt w/ plan for COAP. Leaning towards Chicago, because I think it makes sense for all the practical reasons & seems like having a Ruby should help with mentorship/etc, but can’t help thinking I’d be happier at Yale/nervous that Chicago doesn’t really have a public interest cultu...
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Re: Corporate firms in CT  
  by: FND   on: February 17, at 6:00:19 am   in: Legal Employment
I've worked across from Shipman on multiple deals. They were very good. Not to sound like a snob, but they knew their $hit. You should def have them on your list. not a snob comment. I know a lot of attorneys who don't know their $hit. I know plenty of attorneys who miss tiny little things. And I also know plenty of attorneys who aren't all that smart. In a transactional setting, that means there...
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Barbri materials for the New York Bar Exam  
  by: koiui1994   on: February 17, at 5:31:54 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi Everyone, I am a foreign law student planning to take the New York Bar Exam in 2021. I have registered the Barbri course and received the 1L, 2L and 3L outlines. It seems to me that these outlines cover the content of various law courses in the US. May I know whether it is necessary to go through all these materials or should I focus on the materials specifically designed for the Bar Exam. Plea...
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GRE application and University of New Hampshire  
  by: hoylej18   on: February 17, at 4:11:44 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hi everyone, I am interested in applying to the University of New Hampshire's law program. I recently graduated from Marshall University's Journalism Program with a Master's in Journalism. After deciding that this job market just isn't working out for me, I decided to try my hand at something a little more practical. To that end, UNH's law program looks like a good fit for me. I am going to take t...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: Wild Card   on: February 17, at 3:35:02 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
. . . It'd be like say, claiming you love the Lakers when you've only watched a handful of games over the years. It'll take an actual fan maybe 5 minutes to find out you're full of shit -- you can't talk about Shaq vs Kobe, Derek Fisher, Jeanie Buss, the Mike Brown era, "was Pau actually soft", etc. I remember reading that Ted Cruz put on his resume that he was an avid tennis player, an...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: Wild Card   on: February 17, at 3:27:21 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Can you post the actual COA for each school and how much debt you're expecting from each? What does "$" from CLS and Chicago mean? And do you have any other options? $50,000 to $60,000 total aid at CLS and Chicago. Very close to full price at HLS. About $290,000 total debt at Harvard, $230,000 at the others. You should know that biglaw firms are firing first-year associates now, and the...
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Re: Corporate firms in CT  
  by: 1styearlateral   on: February 17, at 3:00:52 am   in: Legal Employment
I've worked across from Shipman on multiple deals. They were very good. Not to sound like a snob, but they knew their $hit. You should def have them on your list. not a snob comment. I know a lot of attorneys who don't know their $hit. I know plenty of attorneys who miss tiny little things. And I also know plenty of attorneys who aren't all that smart. In a transactional setting, that means there...
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Re: Corporate work in Phoenix?  
  by: 1styearlateral   on: February 17, at 2:55:08 am   in: Legal Employment
Dentons’ hotel/hospitality group is top notch and based in the firm’s Phoenix office.
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: Delano   on: February 17, at 12:25:38 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Can you post the actual COA for each school and how much debt you're expecting from each? What does "$" from CLS and Chicago mean? And do you have any other options? $50,000 to $60,000 total aid at CLS and Chicago. Very close to full price at HLS. About $290,000 total debt at Harvard, $230,000 at the others. Pretty much a dead heat at those prices, and since that's a lot of debt I'd str...
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Re: 1L SA C/O 2022  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 16, at 11:50:38 pm   in: Legal Employment
Akin Gump has given offers
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Re: Exit options for BigLaw lit -- is in-house out of the question?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 16, at 11:47:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
It's not impossible, and you won't be limited only to in-house litigation jobs. In my experience, larger in-house departments sometimes have a "get the best person" approach to hiring instead of "get the one with the most relevant experience." But it will be more challenging, and you will probably have to start hunting earlier and more strategically to find a good fit. I was a...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 16, at 11:42:04 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Can you post the actual COA for each school and how much debt you're expecting from each? What does "$" from CLS and Chicago mean? And do you have any other options? $50,000 to $60,000 total aid at CLS and Chicago. Very close to full price at HLS. About $290,000 total debt at Harvard, $230,000 at the others. Pretty much a dead heat at those prices, and since that's a lot of debt I'd str...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: Major Kong   on: February 16, at 11:34:40 pm   in: Choosing a Law School

Delano wrote:Can you post the actual COA for each school and how much debt you're expecting from each? What does "$" from CLS and Chicago mean? And do you have any other options?
$50,000 to $60,000 total aid at CLS and Chicago. Very close to full price at HLS. About $290,000 total debt at Harvard, $230,000 at the others.
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Re: Best schools for Indianapolis "Biglaw"  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 11:05:16 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I was wondering if anyone had experience/insight on where to shoot for if one wants to work at the main Indianapolis law firms (Ice Miller, Faegre Baker Daniels, etc). I'm not applying until next cycle but with my stats (3.82, 175) I figure I'll have a pretty good shot at getting good money at both IU schools and admissions at some T14's as well. I really only want to live in Indianapolis - I'm f...
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Re: What do Criminal/Constitutional Law Jobs look like?  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 10:54:50 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I need to point out that it varies significantly by market. In a small market, you could start in criminal defense almost immediately if you happen to get lucky that you get hired by a firm that does criminal defense and has an immediate need. Likewise, in a small state that doesn't have as many specialized attorneys, it's possible to get lucky, and that criminal case you worked on that I describe...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 10:47:41 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
HLS is worth $90,000 more than CLS and UChicago. Hamilton/Rubenstein is another story. I completely disagree. I know it's not part of the above discussion, but for biglaw, Columbia easily places just as well as Harvard. Chicago places just as well as Harvard for Federal clerkships (in 2018, Chicago actually beat Harvard significantly - 24% of Chicago students got Federal clerkships, compared to 1...
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: galba   on: February 16, at 10:41:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
KJD is a drawback at OCI, but non-KJDs seriously overestimate the benefits of work experience in general; it obviously has some benefits but the financial hit is significant. Supposed academic benefits are particularly suspect, liquid intelligence peaks disturbingly early and academic honors and LR are were significantly disproportionately KJD at the CCN I attended. There are valid arguments for ...
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Re: Best regional school for Idaho?  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 10:24:41 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I wanted to know if practicing law in Idaho down the road would be an option at any of those schools. "down the road" it doesn't matter. If you're applying for a prestige-whore firm, such as Boise, odds are, you ain't getting in if you didn't go to a T14 or you weren't the very top of your class. Anywhere else, if you got the right experience and they don't have a candidate they're fami...
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Re: Corporate firms in CT  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 10:13:29 pm   in: Legal Employment
I've worked across from Shipman on multiple deals. They were very good. Not to sound like a snob, but they knew their $hit. You should def have them on your list. not a snob comment. I know a lot of attorneys who don't know their $hit. I know plenty of attorneys who miss tiny little things. And I also know plenty of attorneys who aren't all that smart. In a transactional setting, that means there...
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Re: Another Character and Fitness Question RE: Marijuana and Maryland  
  by: dvlthndr   on: February 16, at 9:58:43 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you have the money for it, I vote for contacting an actual C&F attorney in Maryland to get your answer.

But my (completely uneducated) guess is that they would tell you to err on the side of disclosure.
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Best schools for Indianapolis "Biglaw"  
  by: aaroncox7   on: February 16, at 9:37:10 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I was wondering if anyone had experience/insight on where to shoot for if one wants to work at the main Indianapolis law firms (Ice Miller, Faegre Baker Daniels, etc). I'm not applying until next cycle but with my stats (3.82, 175) I figure I'll have a pretty good shot at getting good money at both IU schools and admissions at some T14's as well. I really only want to live in Indianapolis - I'm fr...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: Wild Card   on: February 16, at 9:30:27 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
HLS is worth $90,000 more than CLS and UChicago. Hamilton/Rubenstein is another story.
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Re: Exit options for BigLaw lit -- is in-house out of the question?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 16, at 9:19:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
It's not impossible, and you won't be limited only to in-house litigation jobs. In my experience, larger in-house departments sometimes have a "get the best person" approach to hiring instead of "get the one with the most relevant experience." But it will be more challenging, and you will probably have to start hunting earlier and more strategically to find a good fit. I was a ...
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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 16, at 8:20:26 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Yay! We are pumped to have you here! Do not worry too much about the super low morale postings. It could be temporary. Yea, the handling of the PAP by current management (we call it the “10th Floor”) is a textbook example of “bad management” for a business school case study, and should probs be studied in classrooms on how leaders should NOT act slash how NOT to humanely treat employees. BUT a new...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: Delano   on: February 16, at 8:12:35 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Can you post the actual COA for each school and how much debt you're expecting from each? What does "$" from CLS and Chicago mean? And do you have any other options?
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Another Character and Fitness Question RE: Marijuana and Maryland  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 16, at 7:34:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
Title is self explanatory. Basically, I got an Honors Attorney position and filled out the background forms. I admitted to using marijuana one time within the past year and was deemed "unsuitable" and failed the background check. I was able to appeal that decision with the agency and the determination was reversed and I am cleared to start in the fall. I am now working on my character an...
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Re: Best regional school for Idaho?  
  by: Golradaer   on: February 16, at 7:19:25 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Have you tried negotiating with Idaho using your scholarship offers from the other schools? They should increase your award substantially. All of the schools you've mentioned are regional, meaning none will carry any more weight than another over to somewhere like Idaho. Maybe Oregon just because it's closer. But at the same time, if you spend a few years working in your law school's home market b...
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Re: Best regional school for Idaho?  
  by: grantspasslaw   on: February 16, at 6:19:32 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Two things: 1. If you're in at Arizona, you're in at Idaho (likely with a full scholarship). Why are you considering second-best options? 2. What happened since your last post ? In that thread, you indicated that you were looking at either the Southwest or somewhere in the PNW. Idaho is in neither of those places. And if you don't have ties to the state (and your initial thread indicates you don'...
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Re: Corporate firms in CT  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 16, at 5:59:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
I've worked across from Shipman on multiple deals. They were very good. Not to sound like a snob, but they knew their $hit. You should def have them on your list.
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 5:51:25 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Depending on price difference, I'd choose Harvard -> Chicago -> Columbia. Harvard is indisputably the best, though the marginal benefit over Chicago or Columbia is not that big that it's worth $100k difference. Chicago is better than Columbia for geographic reasons. Columbia is much more connected to the hyper-competitive New York and Washington D.C.; the most direct connections are to the 2nd, 3r...
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Re: Best Attorney Mortgage Programs?  
  by: bob311   on: February 16, at 5:34:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Any other 0/0 options? Hard trying to get a down payment in an expensive market - NYC and paying loans when not in big law.
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Re: Corporate work in Phoenix?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 16, at 5:05:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
My main concern for starting my career in Phoenix is missing out on the opportunities to work on the "high caliber" deals. And it's a V10 firm I'd be giving up, the ranking sort of has some psych value at the least. I was thinking maybe starting in the major market and then lateral out as mid-level/senior (that is if my SO is okay with long-distance in the meantime). Would there be any ...
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Multiple lsat scores addendum  
  by: kabayobaker   on: February 16, at 4:42:36 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hi everyone, So I've spent most of the last academic year after graduating in may 2019 studying for the lsat. Since November I've been testing in the high 160s low 170s on practice tests. But the two times I sat for the test I couldn't get much sleep, developed a migraine halfway through the test, leading to a cancel the first test and a mid 150s the second time. I was supposed to take the test in...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 16, at 4:37:29 pm   in: Choosing a Law School

Libya wrote: If it’s a difference of like 45K total I’d take Harvard but once you get into the 75-100K territory the needle shifts towards Chicago or Columbia imo

TCR
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 16, at 4:29:22 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
It'd be like say, claiming you love the Lakers when you've only watched a handful of games over the years. It'll take an actual fan maybe 5 minutes to find out you're full of shit -- you can't talk about Shaq vs Kobe, Derek Fisher, Jeanie Buss, the Mike Brown era, "was Pau actually soft", etc. Are there...are there any judges looking for this? Swear to God, that judge would jump to the ...
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What E&Es should I read for UBE Corporations Stuff  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 16, at 4:19:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I didn't take anything remotely close to corporations in law school. For the other classes I didn't take, I found the Examples and Explanations books to perfectly supplement the bar material I have looked at. I see that there are two seemingly relevant books from E&E: Corporations and Agencies, Partnerships, and LLC. Would both of these books contain relevant material for the bar?
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: Iowahawk   on: February 16, at 4:09:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
KJD is a drawback at OCI, but non-KJDs seriously overestimate the benefits of work experience in general; it obviously has some benefits but the financial hit is significant. Supposed academic benefits are particularly suspect, liquid intelligence peaks disturbingly early and academic honors and LR are were significantly disproportionately KJD at the CCN I attended.
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Re: Thank you Notes - Requirement?  
  by: TheoO   on: February 16, at 3:34:36 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:I've never called without emailing as well but it is the not responding to the email that drives me nuts. I don't care if they say thank you or not but I do like to make sure they received the message (as it is the only one they will receive).

This is also bad form for a prospective associate given how responsiveness to emails and basic email acknowledgments are a huge part of associate life.
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: Pennoyer v. Meh   on: February 16, at 3:23:05 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
It'd be like say, claiming you love the Lakers when you've only watched a handful of games over the years. It'll take an actual fan maybe 5 minutes to find out you're full of shit -- you can't talk about Shaq vs Kobe, Derek Fisher, Jeanie Buss, the Mike Brown era, "was Pau actually soft", etc. Are there...are there any judges looking for this? Swear to God, that judge would jump to the ...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: nixy   on: February 16, at 3:07:19 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
^this is a better articulation of what I was trying to say.
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: nixy   on: February 16, at 3:04:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
Because it’s not going to change your aid at HLS (ie you’re not going to give up a scholarship) and the point of the experience isn’t that making binders is life changing, but that living on your own and working full time before you go to law school is valuable for personal growth (and not being a K-JD).
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Re: Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: Yardbird   on: February 16, at 2:19:02 pm   in: Legal Employment

sparty99 wrote:What type of FICO score did y'all have when you refinanced?
750+. I think Earnest had the best rates the last time I checked. I’m not in a First Republic branch location so that was not an option. I’ve refinanced every year since graduation to get better rates as the market changed and my credit score got higher and debt/income got lower. Just make sure there’s no origination fee.
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Re: Best Attorney Mortgage Programs?  
  by: Yardbird   on: February 16, at 2:16:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
From what I’ve seen, if your firm has the relationship, Citi private bank is probably the best as far as rates, down payment for PMI, etc. I thought First Republic would be more competitive because that’s kinda their schtick with the student loan refis. 100% agree if you have the downpayment, but Cadence allows for a 0 down option which may help those with student loan debt. I ended up going with...
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How to Demonstrate Interest in Crim Justice after Law School  
  by: KBJ2011   on: February 16, at 2:14:40 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I've recently developed a strong interest in transitioning from a private firm to a district attorney's office. My main concern is that my resume doesn't show a lot of commitment to this sort of work (e.g., limited crim law classes, no crim-related internships). I know that offices usually place a high premium on this sort of demonstrated commitment/interest. Does anyone have tips on what I can do...
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: February 16, at 1:44:10 pm   in: Legal Employment
I see two situations where this makes sense: 1. job is directly related to getting biglaw position later. (like literally paralegal at a biglaw or in some kind of GC office) 2. you're not 100% sold on biglaw career and want to spend a year exploring another career. If you don't fit either, taking a year is dumb. But also 3. It’s really useful to learn something about what it’s like to work full t...
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Re: Cold Email Biglaw for Paralegal/Assistant Jobs?  
  by: New_Englander   on: February 16, at 1:42:15 pm   in: Legal Employment
Agree with the above. You should also consider applying in NYC and maybe Chicago/Houston (the latter two because it's a bit easier to survive on paralegal money) while you're at it - the major markets have much bigger pipelines for the "hire paralegals fresh out of college and let them go after a year" thing whereas smaller markets tend to prefer career paralegals. Also, use whatever ne...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: February 16, at 1:19:40 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I wouldn't put FedSoc down unless (a) you are actually a member, and (b) you're comfortable talking about originalism, textualism, what the org means to you, etc. It's not really about the politics -- plenty of dedicated members are say, pro-gay marriage as a matter of policy -- but your methodological priors in constitutional/statutory interpretation. And if you don't have any, like, it's just .....
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: Pomeranian   on: February 16, at 1:17:26 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Neither. It's silly to think a law degree from Loyola Chicago or NYLS is going to open doors outside of law, when neither does a great job of placing students even into the legal profession.
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: antelope   on: February 16, at 12:54:52 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
OP, there's a grad from the T30 taking questions over at the ask a law student forum. This person would probably offer better answers about the specific school and current legal market in the state
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: Libya   on: February 16, at 12:51:37 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Are these your only choices? There should be MVP with $$$ or if not then lower T 14 with $$$ or $$$$. I took H and while I’ve gotten some great opportunities so far, I have to say I think about the debt alot when planning my future out (and I’m sure it will suck more when I start paying). In hindsight I can’t say whether I made the right choice or not, but if I were you I’d think long and hard abo...
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Re: Now the choice is real...  
  by: AJordan   on: February 16, at 12:46:42 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
If we can agree that becoming a judge is highly unlikely from any avenue (which I think is fair) then it's probably prudent to focus on the part of the dream that is reasonably attainable. DOJ work can be gotten from any of these schools. If your goal is AUSA (which I think is a nice long-term, 7-10-yearish-from-now goal) then you'll want either: school --> clerkship --> DOJ Honors OR school --> c...
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Now the choice is real...  
  by: Major Kong   on: February 16, at 12:31:36 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Between HLS, Chicago and CLS. Will be close to sticker at Harvard, $ at Columbia and Chicago. Dream is DOJ and judiciary. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 12:25:30 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
But in all seriousness, there's nothing wrong with using nepotism. The possibility of nepotism is what inspires many people unmotivated by material possessions to keep trying after they've achieved a certain standard of success. If you can benefit from it, then great. The issue is that nepotism is less common in law school than elsewhere. For instance, George W. Bush was rejected from Texas Law w...
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Re: BigLaw Counsel Salary and Bonus  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 12:23:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
The big problem is that it varies significantly, based on location, practice group, firm, etc. I know it's not what you're looking for, but, a study from just a few years ago showed that the average compensation for a non-equity partner at a large law firm (AMLAW200/NJL350) is around $350k. At the same time, the average non-equity partner compensation at the 10 most profitable firms averaged just ...
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Re: 1L SA C/O 2022  
  by: jdhfaksdhf324   on: February 16, at 12:13:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
Did anyone hear from akin gump pro bono scholar program? specifically in nyc?
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Re: Best Attorney Mortgage Programs?  
  by: LaLiLuLeLo   on: February 16, at 12:11:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
From what I’ve seen, if your firm has the relationship, Citi private bank is probably the best as far as rates, down payment for PMI, etc. I thought First Republic would be more competitive because that’s kinda their schtick with the student loan refis.
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: LSATWiz.com   on: February 16, at 12:07:14 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
But in all seriousness, there's nothing wrong with using nepotism. The possibility of nepotism is what inspires many people unmotivated by material possessions to keep trying after they've achieved a certain standard of success. If you can benefit from it, then great. The issue is that nepotism is less common in law school than elsewhere. For instance, George W. Bush was rejected from Texas Law wh...
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Re: Best Attorney Mortgage Programs?  
  by: Yardbird   on: February 16, at 11:26:12 am   in: Legal Employment
Cadence Bank has a 0% down no PMI program for attorneys in their first five years of practice (counted from your licensure date). I think the rate was 4.125% for a 30-year fixed with auto-pay and direct deposit into a Cadence bank account and 3.625% for a 5/1 ARM with the same. You still need to cover closing costs out of pocket and there’s a 1% origination fee, but it’s good if you don’t have the...
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: LSATWiz.com   on: February 16, at 11:22:54 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Your posts that state you were given a certain amount of time and need to apply now suggest that perhaps you were let go, and given a severance package that allowed you to study for the LSAT for a few months. That time is about to end and you may have planned a way to support yourself until the fed loans kick in that allow you to go to school next year. This assumption may be wrong and it could b...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 16, at 11:11:58 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Also, again, since we're in this specific thread - any instrumental value of a JD is likely a lot higher from YHS than from NYLS or Loyola. This is really the key point. A "JD advantage" job from NYLS is a paralegal with a slight salary bump, not a congressional aide. So again, the one word reply of "underemployment" seems pretty damn applicable. Brevity is the soul of wit, etc.
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Re: Best regional school for Idaho?  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 9:37:45 am   in: Choosing a Law School
If you can, go to University of Idaho College of Law. Being in-state means the best connections and local reputation, and the ability to network right from the get-go. Also, the vast majority of attorneys in Idaho went to U of Idaho. The other law school in the state, Concordia, just announced mass layoffs - termination notices have been sent to all faculty. They say they want to keep the law scho...
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Re: Best regional school for Idaho?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 16, at 9:35:31 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Two things: 1. If you're in at Arizona, you're in at Idaho (likely with a full scholarship). Why are you considering second-best options? 2. What happened since your last post ? In that thread, you indicated that you were looking at either the Southwest or somewhere in the PNW. Idaho is in neither of those places. And if you don't have ties to the state (and your initial thread indicates you don't...
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: FND   on: February 16, at 9:12:56 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Nixy gave some great answers above. If they fall on deaf ears, there's not much to be done about it.

As an addendum to the LSAT score, I know from experience that if you're borderline, some schools may even sit on your application until after the June exam.
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: nixy   on: February 16, at 8:27:56 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
The regionalism of schools isn't about the bar exam (though that probably helped exacerbate it in the past), but just awareness/interest/where your alumni networks are. If you want to work in Montana, you should go to school in Montana not because of the bar exam, but because lots of lawyers in Montana will have gone to the University of Montana, or will know other lawyers who have, so it's a know...
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Re: 2020 February California Bar Exam  
  by: barjamie8   on: February 16, at 2:27:29 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone have insights into using headings and name abbreviations in the essays? I am using two different bar essay grading services to prepare for the attorneys exam - one encourages abbreviations of names and a pretty formulaic use of headings for major issues to list the rules and then providing an IRAC analysis once all the major rules are listed. The other says that abbreviations of names...
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Best regional school for Idaho?  
  by: grantspasslaw   on: February 16, at 12:10:51 am   in: Choosing a Law School
So I'm interested in potentially practicing law in Idaho. I know that University of Idaho is basically the only option for an in-state school. But I was wondering if anyone had opinions on what the next best school would be for placing in Idaho from the schools that I have been admitted to. I'm in at Oregon, Utah, Willamette, University of Arizona and UNLV. I've gotten great scholarships to all th...
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: Uncreative123   on: February 16, at 12:01:00 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
As far as both the T30 and T120 schools go, I am aware of all the stats and I am still torn on where to go. The price difference I find to be a one of the best examples of problems with current law schools/higher education in general. The T30 is supposedly a much better school, but pretty much all the lawyers in the T120 city went to the T120 school and there are probably 50x more law firms in T1...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: nixy   on: February 15, at 11:25:17 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Sure, except in the OP, the OP said:

Anonymous User wrote:I'm politically left-wing but willing to put Fed Soc on my resume to increase my credibility with certain judges.
which was the entire reason why I said "don't misrepresent your political alignment" (and I also said that if they were fine with the FedSoc political alignment, that's fine too).
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: allymariee19   on: February 15, at 11:02:54 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
How did everyone do on the final/midterm?
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 10:11:24 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I understand law school can produce upset people who didn't end up living the lives they wanted to and so play the MMQB game, but the whole "it's objectively a bad investment" notion is outdated ATL-type cookie-cutter nonsense. It's objectively a bad investment. The ROI on law-school tuition is dogshit, especially once the opportunity cost of not working (and advancing in another career...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: lavarman84   on: February 15, at 9:31:38 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I mean, I think expressing any affiliation on a resume that does not actually align with your political affiliations is a bad idea. Whatever FedSoc says about its purpose/affiliation, listing it on a resume is going to imply a certain political stance.* If that actually is your political stance, that’s fine. If it’s not, you may run into some awkward conversation with someone who thought you were...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 15, at 9:09:01 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I understand law school can produce upset people who didn't end up living the lives they wanted to and so play the MMQB game, but the whole "it's objectively a bad investment" notion is outdated ATL-type cookie-cutter nonsense. It's objectively a bad investment. The ROI on law-school tuition is dogshit, especially once the opportunity cost of not working (and advancing in another career...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: nixy   on: February 15, at 8:58:04 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I mean, I think expressing any affiliation on a resume that does not actually align with your political affiliations is a bad idea. Whatever FedSoc says about its purpose/affiliation, listing it on a resume is going to imply a certain political stance.* If that actually is your political stance, that’s fine. If it’s not, you may run into some awkward conversation with someone who thought you were...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 15, at 8:41:46 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
what are we thinking for the essays now that it is a little closer?
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Re: BigLaw Counsel Salary and Bonus  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 15, at 8:27:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
There is a wide range depending on the rank/profitability of the firm. Most NY firms on the standard scale pay just a bit more than senior associate (around $400-500K all in). However some V10s pay significantly more, in the $700-800K range.
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What's the Iowa legal market like?  
  by: Jalapeno2   on: February 15, at 8:11:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm an associate in V5 biglaw. I'm considering trying to move to a firm in Iowa, where I have strong ties, in the next year or two. There's information on associate salaries elsewhere on TLS, but I'd be glad to hear any other advice or information y'all have for someone in my position. Are there any firms I should be gunning for or avoiding (in terms of culture, clients, work, partnership prospect...
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Re: Can I take MPRE and NYLE on the same day?  
  by: we'rebothmenofthelaw   on: February 15, at 8:10:20 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I think computer assisted searches we’re prohibited although check the rule. If you’re concerned at all about the NYLE, I’d get to know the table of contents of the outline really well. I looked up literally every question. But I had time to and I found answers I was 100%sure of on all but one or two questions. For the MPRE I’d actually study. I passed by plenty but was much less confident walking...
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Best Attorney Mortgage Programs?  
  by: PriyaRai   on: February 15, at 8:03:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anyone have recs?
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 7:49:58 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
As far as both the T30 and T120 schools go, I am aware of all the stats and I am still torn on where to go. The price difference I find to be a one of the best examples of problems with current law schools/higher education in general. The T30 is supposedly a much better school, but pretty much all the lawyers in the T120 city went to the T120 school and there are probably 50x more law firms in T1...
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: Uncreative123   on: February 15, at 7:22:25 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Your posts that state you were given a certain amount of time and need to apply now suggest that perhaps you were let go, and given a severance package that allowed you to study for the LSAT for a few months. That time is about to end and you may have planned a way to support yourself until the fed loans kick in that allow you to go to school next year. This assumption may be wrong and it could b...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: lavarman84   on: February 15, at 6:55:37 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I mean, I think expressing any affiliation on a resume that does not actually align with your political affiliations is a bad idea. Whatever FedSoc says about its purpose/affiliation, listing it on a resume is going to imply a certain political stance.* If that actually is your political stance, that’s fine. If it’s not, you may run into some awkward conversation with someone who thought you were...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 6:49:34 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Thanks for taking the time to actually engage with my point. In response: what I said was that a JD can be effectively leveraged for non-lawyer jobs (especially when you don't have many other passions/interests), not that it's always the best or most efficient way to get them. Lots of white-collar positions are made more accessible with (or even through) going to law school. Go to LinkedIn and lo...
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Re: I'm a Master's Student -- Who Should I Ask for Letters of Recommendation?  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 6:35:53 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate

avvvv wrote:I worked as a social worker before I came to grad school, and I think working as a public defender would be the ideal career for me.
If you like social work, working for social service agencies or welfare related non-profits might be a much better fit.
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Re: Corporate work in Phoenix?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 15, at 6:28:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anon OP here. Thanks so much for your answers! Just for background, I'm in T14 and doing fairly well w/r/t grades etc. My main concern for starting my career in Phoenix is missing out on the opportunities to work on the "high caliber" deals. And it's a V10 firm I'd be giving up, the ranking sort of has some psych value at the least. I was thinking maybe starting in the major market and t...
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Re: Nashville + other southern cities - partner profits?  
  by: PeanutsNJam   on: February 15, at 5:39:09 pm   in: Legal Employment
Everybody knows non-share partners are basically super senior associates or of-counsel. They just get the title so they can say they’re a partner for biz dev purposes.

The PPP metric is meaningless if you include non-share partners, and I doubt that is tracked. If you’re curious about accounting for leverage and the like, look up PPL.
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Re: 2020 February California Bar Exam  
  by: Heyall   on: February 15, at 5:36:12 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
This is my first time taking the CA Bar...is there a place that we can store our bags during the exam? If so, are we allowed to have access to our bags during lunch? I'm trying to figure out the logistics of how to bring lunch.. The CA Bar doesn't advertise this (at least to my knowledge, I may have missed it) but there's a place right by the entrance where you can put your bag and get a number o...
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Re: 2020 February California Bar Exam  
  by: TLSBarRev   on: February 15, at 4:17:10 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone have insights into using headings and name abbreviations in the essays? I am using two different bar essay grading services to prepare for the attorneys exam - one encourages abbreviations of names and a pretty formulaic use of headings for major issues to list the rules and then providing an IRAC analysis once all the major rules are listed. The other says that abbreviations of names ...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: Wild Card   on: February 15, at 4:12:38 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I omit FedSoc only when applying to "Obama judges." OP, district court clerkships are extremely selective and worthwhile experiences: ask anyone who's done one. Having a district court clerkship in the district embracing your school, or in your home district, is certainly better than having nothing at all. decimalsanddollars, above, is absolutely right with respect to application strategy.
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Re: 1L 3.4 GPA at UVA Law for Big Law?  
  by: ParisHilton   on: February 15, at 3:59:58 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
The above is not really correct -- although the principle is. Weil and Skadden are not grade-selective firms for the tier that they are in. The firms in NY you DO want to avoid are more like: Cravath, Wachtell, SullCrom, Boies....You should absolutely bid Skadden and Weil if you are interested in them.
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 15, at 3:52:54 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:any other WLRK dings or interviews (or offers)?

Also curious if any recent WLRK dings by email versus dings after in-office interview.

Did you have a recent in-office interview with WLRK?
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Re: Nashville + other southern cities - partner profits?  
  by: ghostoftraynor   on: February 15, at 3:36:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
It depends on the firm, but a lot of firms force out non-equity partners if they don't get shares in time. Yes, you have great job security the four years or so before you are up for equity. But, the odds of getting past that are extremely low.
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Re: What tier 2,3,4 law schools have the most generous grading curves?  
  by: antelope   on: February 15, at 1:34:52 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I wouldn't bet on salary going up every year. I met an attorney who attended a "tier 1" state school and, for the past 10 years, that attorney's been making between 45-55k working in small firms. That attorney is fine with the outcome, though, but graduated with less debt since tuition wasn't that high back in the day. It's up to you on how determined you are on being an attorney. Cost o...
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Re: How to decide on law school  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 1:23:46 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
generally speaking, though it does depend on your career goals, the following order is good: 1) HYS. If you're accepted to any of these, go there (or to a T14 with money) If you're shooting for biglaw or federal: 2) the rest of the T14 3) regional powerhouse with scholarship (you might not get what you want, but you've got a shot, and if you miss the debt won't be too bad) If you're looking for a ...
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: antelope   on: February 15, at 1:06:55 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Based on what you mentioned, I know the schools you're talking about. Without naming them, I can tell you that it's possible to get into the T30 if you get your lsat above their 75th. Not sure if you've done research on their admissions, but they admit about 40% of applicants and they barely get applicants compared to other T30s. This info is out there, it's one of the least selective schools in t...
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: LSATWiz.com   on: February 15, at 12:31:39 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I don't understand why LSAC would request a Graduate transcript if it essentially has no impact. ... I'm not even sure how to approach this in an addendum without sounding like I'm making excuses, "Well my ACTUAL GPA was...." Absolutely do not write such an addendum. A GPA addendum is for the relatively rare scenario where you have a compelling explanation for a sudden, eyebrow-raising ...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: nixy   on: February 15, at 12:25:30 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
In response: what I said was that a JD can be effectively leveraged for non-lawyer jobs (especially when you don't have many other passions/interests), not that it's always the best or most efficient way to get them. Lots of white-collar positions are made more accessible with (or even through) going to law school. Go to LinkedIn and look at the biographies of non-legal business persons working a...
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 15, at 12:24:16 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Has anyone had a firm reach out for references before even extending a screener interview? I know some firms specifically ask for references with the initial application, but for firms that just asked for a resume/transcript.
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: antelope   on: February 15, at 12:22:12 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
OP, do you have scholarships from these schools? What is the condition of your scholarship at NYLS? Have you looked at the Law School Transparency profiles of these schools? The information on LST about these schools can give you an idea of their historic employment, look at that, cost of attendance, and see if it's worth it. Also look at the ABA 509 for the past couple of years to see placement. ...
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Re: 1L 3.4 GPA at UVA Law for Big Law?  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 12:05:45 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Anecdotal, but all my friends at medium (and also those below medium for that matter), that wanted big law got it through OGI. I echo that you need to keep hustling until you get something. You should also be smart with your bid strategy. For example, don't bid on only DC firms and make sure to throw in a hand full of NY firms with big class sizes. Also keep in mind that you can often leverage an...
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Re: Can I take MPRE and NYLE on the same day?  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 12:02:53 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I'm not sure if it's possible from a scheduling perspective, but I personally found both tests ridiculously easy. Have two computers handy when you do the NYLE so you can quickly google the answers*
For the MPRE, when in doubt, choose the second most ethical answer - the most ethical is usually too narrow

*I do not advocate cheating. If this is not permitted, don't do it.
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Re: Investment Financial Advisor vs Lawyer  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 11:59:08 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
trying to get clients to come into the firm is difficult and there are easily 12-15 hour days. The failure rate is 88% in my industry- terrifying. FYI....that's because you are a salesman. The #1 job of a financial advisor is bringing in clients, i.e. sales. You can be terrible at financial advise, but if you're bringing in clients, you will be successful. Or, you could be a financial genius, but...
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Re: Investment Advisor vs Lawyer  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 11:54:25 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hello all, could I please get some advice? I graduated from a local college back in May 2019 with a BBA in marketing with a 3.5 GPA . I currently work as a financial/investment advisor in a city of about 100,000 in ETX. I have been fortunate to work at a laid back and flexible company that is paying for all of my licenses. However, I have always wanted to be a lawyer since I was a kid. I took the...
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Re: What tier 2,3,4 law schools have the most generous grading curves?  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 11:50:52 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I figure if biglaw doesn't work out, I can build a book of business by finding clients in tax or real estate or possibly some other in demand business area. So I might be in that 45-60k range, but don't those salaries rise by like 10k a year for many years? Do yourself a favor. Find the movie "The Verdict" starring Paul Newman. Watch the first 15 minutes. Consider that that's a realisti...
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Re: Is it a waste to apply?  
  by: antelope   on: February 15, at 11:47:07 am   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
At this point, it's a waste of time and money to apply there with those stats. You'd be below both 25ths at those schools, even the URM boost won't make much difference this late in the cycle. Not sure if you read the FAQ page for Harvard admissions, but last LSAT they take is February and they don't hold decisions for future scores, signing up for April won't do anything for this cycle. Same for ...
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Re: What tier 2,3,4 law schools have the most generous grading curves?  
  by: FND   on: February 15, at 11:39:25 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
People I know who did it in big cities made about $20-$50k their first year, and hopefully it'll grow every year after that. And yes, that is enough to live on, even in New York. True, but not while servicing a huge debt load. That's the main thing that has changed since 1990. no, I mean today. Today, someone who starts solo in a big city and works their tail off can expect to make between $20k a...
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Re: In House: How long till decision?  
  by: merde_happens   on: February 15, at 11:36:05 am   in: Legal Employment
Disagree with the above. Just follow up with the recruiter on Tuesday after the long weekend; managing candidates is literally their job. It's perfectly reasonable to follow up every week or so, especially if they previously gave you feedback that they'd be in touch "soon." Do you know if there's another step in the process? For the in-house positions where I received an offer, they aske...
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Re: Applying for PSLF Loan Forgiveness - My Advice  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 15, at 11:10:22 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Super-helpful post, especially given the uncertainty that's been swirling around the program.
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Re: Should I be worried?  
  by: PeanutsNJam   on: February 15, at 11:00:36 am   in: Legal Employment
Many clients also have rules about paying for things like internal memos, proofreading and cite-checking hours, and all the random shit work that gets piled onto 1st years.

Doc review is something I think clients understand they're gonna have to pay for, which is how most junior associates get super high hours.
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: Dcc617   on: February 15, at 11:00:21 am   in: Choosing a Law School
A JD doesn’t really open non-legal opportunities, and if you decide you hate being a lawyer, making a career change at that point is much harder because you have to convince employers that that you don’t actually want to be a lawyer after all. I agree people can’t know exactly for 100% certain that they want to be a lawyer, but there are tons of people who, instead of actually researching what th...
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Re: Investment Financial Advisor vs Lawyer  
  by: PeanutsNJam   on: February 15, at 10:57:49 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
If it's your life's dream to go to law school, ok, but only do it if you get a full scholarship. The LSAT is highly learnable; all it takes is time, effort, and a little googling/browsing old TLS posts. You should be able to snag full scholarships at those local schools you talked about with a 160 or so. That score is achievable by every single human being without a learning disability or other di...
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Re: T40 to T14? 4.1 GPA. Transfer advice?  
  by: omgomghi   on: February 15, at 10:56:53 am   in: Transfers
PM me to talk further, but bottom line is I would hate to see the weird TLS HLS shade color your decision. Of course all the tippy-top schools are great — Chicago is an incredible institution of legal education. But it’s not HLS, and it’s not HLS in some of the ways that matter relatively more for transfer students (see below). And in your situation, your big-law outcomes aren’t going to change m...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: Joachim2017   on: February 15, at 10:39:51 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I disagree, I think a JD is actually very versatile. Obviously it will depend on where it's from. But even a non-top law school JD can be leveraged if you are motivated, hardworking, and intelligent (traits which are not, unfortunately, by themselves sufficient these days). It opens doors, signals a serious credential to employers, and provides you with a valuable network. Alexa, what is "un...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: nixy   on: February 15, at 10:33:44 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I mean, I think expressing any affiliation on a resume that does not actually align with your political affiliations is a bad idea. Whatever FedSoc says about its purpose/affiliation, listing it on a resume is going to imply a certain political stance.* If that actually is your political stance, that’s fine. If it’s not, you may run into some awkward conversation with someone who thought you were ...
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Re: T40 to T14? 4.1 GPA. Transfer advice?  
  by: nixy   on: February 15, at 10:26:07 am   in: Transfers
PM me to talk further, but bottom line is I would hate to see the weird TLS HLS shade color your decision. Of course all the tippy-top schools are great — Chicago is an incredible institution of legal education. But it’s not HLS, and it’s not HLS in some of the ways that matter relatively more for transfer students (see below). And in your situation, your big-law outcomes aren’t going to change m...
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Applying for PSLF Loan Forgiveness - My Advice  
  by: GideonsSoldiers   on: February 15, at 10:25:25 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Hello Forum! I recently was able to achieve approval of my PSLF Loan Forgiveness Application! If you have been to my site, you know that I have written about this topic before, but I held off on writing anything about applying for and getting forgiveness because it had yet to happen for me. Now that I have been through the wringer, I wanted to share my experience and provide some advice to people....
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: nixy   on: February 15, at 10:22:03 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I disagree, I think a JD is actually very versatile. Obviously it will depend on where it's from. But even a non-top law school JD can be leveraged if you are motivated, hardworking, and intelligent (traits which are not, unfortunately, by themselves sufficient these days). It opens doors, signals a serious credential to employers, and provides you with a valuable network. Alexa, what is "un...
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Re: T40 to T14? 4.1 GPA. Transfer advice?  
  by: omgomghi   on: February 15, at 10:19:38 am   in: Transfers
PM me to talk further, but bottom line is I would hate to see the weird TLS HLS shade color your decision. Of course all the tippy-top schools are great — Chicago is an incredible institution of legal education. But it’s not HLS, and it’s not HLS in some of the ways that matter relatively more for transfer students (see below). And in your situation, your big-law outcomes aren’t going to change mu...
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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 15, at 10:06:32 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Big thanks to all the examining attorneys who took to the time to comment here. I am so damn excited about starting in May!
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: Joachim2017   on: February 15, at 9:57:33 am   in: Choosing a Law School
A JD doesn’t really open non-legal opportunities, and if you decide you hate being a lawyer, making a career change at that point is much harder because you have to convince employers that that you don’t actually want to be a lawyer after all. I agree people can’t know exactly for 100% certain that they want to be a lawyer, but there are tons of people who, instead of actually researching what th...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: Joachim2017   on: February 15, at 9:53:49 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I disagree, I think a JD is actually very versatile. Obviously it will depend on where it's from. But even a non-top law school JD can be leveraged if you are motivated, hardworking, and intelligent (traits which are not, unfortunately, by themselves sufficient these days). It opens doors, signals a serious credential to employers, and provides you with a valuable network. Alexa, what is "un...
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Re: Transfer T2 --> T2  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 15, at 9:26:04 am   in: Transfers
It looks like FIU takes a handful of transfers each year, and some were from other T2s. So yes, it's possible.

If you'll be giving up any form of scholarship at your current school, it's an awful idea.

Note: Moved to appropriate forum.
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 15, at 9:24:10 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I disagree, I think a JD is actually very versatile. Obviously it will depend on where it's from. But even a non-top law school JD can be leveraged if you are motivated, hardworking, and intelligent (traits which are not, unfortunately, by themselves sufficient these days). It opens doors, signals a serious credential to employers, and provides you with a valuable network. Alexa, what is "un...
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 15, at 9:21:41 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Sounds like I should leave Fed Soc off the resume then. If you're actually a member, I wouldn't leave it off when applying to conservative judges. But you have to keep in mind that they might ask you about it. Putting FedSoc on your resume of you don't mean it is a truly terrible idea. No one was advocating for that. If the poster is actually a member (i.e. "they mean it"), then they ca...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: Dcc617   on: February 15, at 9:14:55 am   in: Choosing a Law School
A JD doesn’t really open non-legal opportunities, and if you decide you hate being a lawyer, making a career change at that point is much harder because you have to convince employers that that you don’t actually want to be a lawyer after all. I agree people can’t know exactly for 100% certain that they want to be a lawyer, but there are tons of people who, instead of actually researching what th...
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Re: What to Expect When You're Expecting Part Two: Class of 2018  
  by: KILIYA   on: February 15, at 8:34:10 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

Username123 wrote:Notre Dame's status checker is "complete" for a while and then changes to "decision made"

I received an acceptance email a day or two after the status checker changed.
Not-acceptances: Asha says it will be by mail (thanks, Koala!) at the beginning of the cycle, but by email towards the end. (it appears now to be only by email)
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: nixy   on: February 15, at 8:25:11 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I disagree, I think a JD is actually very versatile. Obviously it will depend on where it's from. But even a non-top law school JD can be leveraged if you are motivated, hardworking, and intelligent (traits which are not, unfortunately, by themselves sufficient these days). It opens doors, signals a serious credential to employers, and provides you with a valuable network. It may be that your ver...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: Joachim2017   on: February 15, at 7:45:58 am   in: Choosing a Law School
A JD doesn’t really open non-legal opportunities, and if you decide you hate being a lawyer, making a career change at that point is much harder because you have to convince employers that that you don’t actually want to be a lawyer after all. I agree people can’t know exactly for 100% certain that they want to be a lawyer, but there are tons of people who, instead of actually researching what th...
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Re: Corporate work in Phoenix?  
  by: kittychandler   on: February 15, at 12:13:32 am   in: Legal Employment
Phoenix litigator here. I’d recommend getting connected with ASU’s Symplicity. Also check the Arizona Bar Association’s job postings. Our Greenberg Traurig office also recently had some postings for corporate people. As far as exit options go, the vast majority of in house options I’ve seen are for corporate folks. Can’t speak to the selectivity or pay, and they’re fairly few and far between (1-2 ...
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Re: MBE Property Question!!!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 11:05:21 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Fairly certain the difference lies in the remedy being sought. If this was a legal remedy, then yes you would be correct, there would need to be horizontal privity. However, when seeking an equitable remedy there needs to be three requirements. 1) The restricition needs to touch and concern the land; 2) There must be notice; and 3) the original parties intended for the burden to run with the land...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: nixy   on: February 14, at 10:33:31 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
A JD doesn’t really open non-legal opportunities, and if you decide you hate being a lawyer, making a career change at that point is much harder because you have to convince employers that that you don’t actually want to be a lawyer after all. I agree people can’t know exactly for 100% certain that they want to be a lawyer, but there are tons of people who, instead of actually researching what the...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: Splurgles23   on: February 14, at 10:02:09 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I don't know where exactly to start on this, but... 1) Unless you are 100% sure you want to be a lawyer, don't go to law school. American law school is extremely expensive; it costs more that it's worth, and it is an objectively bad investment unless it is required for the career you want, i.e. practicing law. I hear this "advice" sometimes on this website, and it's a bad take. It's mec...
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 9:52:58 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:any other WLRK dings or interviews (or offers)?

Also curious if any recent WLRK dings by email versus dings after in-office interview.
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Re: MBE Property Question!!!  
  by: Summerheightshigh   on: February 14, at 9:45:19 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Fairly certain the difference lies in the remedy being sought. If this was a legal remedy, then yes you would be correct, there would need to be horizontal privity. However, when seeking an equitable remedy there needs to be three requirements. 1) The restricition needs to touch and concern the land; 2) There must be notice; and 3) the original parties intended for the burden to run with the land....
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Re: TTT student's chances of clerking  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 8:38:39 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

lavarman84 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Sounds like I should leave Fed Soc off the resume then.

If you're actually a member, I wouldn't leave it off when applying to conservative judges. But you have to keep in mind that they might ask you about it.

Putting FedSoc on your resume of you don't mean it is a truly terrible idea.
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Re: Investment Financial Advisor vs Lawyer  
  by: lawdog97   on: February 14, at 6:47:12 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
You have all given me good advice, thank you. I have been looking over other posts on TLS and I have noticed you guys think financial advisors are just salesmen. Fortunately, I am not a salesman. We are fee-based advisors with a fiduciary rule. I have the luxury to work at an independent firm with a great mentor as my boss, who is teaching me how to run a small business. Everyday I get the chance ...
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Re: Exit options for BigLaw lit -- is in-house out of the question?  
  by: kaiser   on: February 14, at 6:41:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
There are some in-house litigation options, but they aren't too common. If you want to remain on the lit side, but still want to make yourself marketable for in-house options, choose a specialized litigation area that will make you more in demand. For example, labor & employment is a lit-based group that would open up many doors for in-house jobs. Something like IP litigation could open doors ...
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: Uncreative123   on: February 14, at 6:27:21 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
In a nutshell, I was "gifted" a certain amount of time (no control over when it happened) to prepare for the LSAT and get accepted into a school. That window closes for me next month no matter what and there will be no time to study or retake the LSAT beyond that. I don't mean to be harsh, but in that case it sounds like you've squandered this window and you shouldn't go to law school. ...
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Re: I'm a Master's Student -- Who Should I Ask for Letters of Recommendation?  
  by: avvvv   on: February 14, at 5:58:32 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Current professors or undergrad professors are fine as long as they know you. Obligatory warning: I worked as a social worker before I came to grad school, and I think working as a public defender would be the ideal career for me. Although there's some crossover between PD work and social work (in certain areas of the country), it's not the same thing. Make sure you're very clear on what PDs do f...
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MBE Property Question!!!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 5:48:47 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
A man and his neighbor owned homes on adjacent lots in a subdivision. They both agreed in writing not to place a storage unit in their yards. Their agreement was drafted in recordable form and stated that it was enforceable by and against all assignees, heirs, and successors. The agreement was promptly recorded. 3 years later, the neighbor conveyed his home to his daughter. The daughter informed t...
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Re: Should I be worried?  
  by: dabigchina   on: February 14, at 5:40:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not going to pretend like I'm senior enough to opine on this - but don't a lot of clients refuse to pay for first years' work as a matter of course?
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Transfer T2 --> T2  
  by: val87   on: February 14, at 5:33:45 pm   in: Transfers
Hey! I'm a 1L at a T2 school in a region I've recently realized I don't want to be in. I moved up here for law school thinking I'd want to move permanently but family circumstances and such have made it so I want to go back to FL where I'm originally from. I've looked at the 509 reports and I think if I do well this semester I have a decent shot at transferring to UF other than that I'm considerin...
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 5:17:42 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:any LA movement?

Emails from Dovel & Luner and Horvitz and Levy saying they aren't hiring clerks this cycle. Email from Latham saying they'll start reviewing applications later in spring. Movement from GDC.

Does anybody have any word on JD LA?

Email from JD LA of no current openings
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Re: Should I be worried?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 14, at 5:03:15 pm   in: Legal Employment
I wouldn't worry until someone tells you you need to get your shit together -- inefficiency is expected from first-years, and people aren't going to mind (within reason) unless you're actually making their lives harder somehow.

There are also a lot of extrinsic reasons your time might be getting written down.
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Re: Cold Email Biglaw for Paralegal/Assistant Jobs?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 14, at 4:59:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
Agree with the above. You should also consider applying in NYC and maybe Chicago/Houston (the latter two because it's a bit easier to survive on paralegal money) while you're at it - the major markets have much bigger pipelines for the "hire paralegals fresh out of college and let them go after a year" thing whereas smaller markets tend to prefer career paralegals. Also, use whatever net...
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Should I be worried?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 4:44:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
I just noticed in the WATY status that my realization ration is around 55%. I'm still getting work from the partners though. However, for quite a few projects my hours were cut. I'm a first-year associate. I just had my mid-year review. The comments were mostly regarding my organization of the memos. Should I be worried?
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Re: Corporate work in Phoenix?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 4:42:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Speaking from personal experience, there are little to no Phoenix Biglaw firms that hire 3Ls. On the very rare chance it happens, the hiring is usually to bring on a (usually local) law student that has already made an impression on a partner that has the authority to make the call.
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Re: Investment Advisor vs Lawyer  
  by: FutureLawyerDude   on: February 14, at 4:30:20 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
If OP has connections in his small town and all he wants to do is work there, going to a random school in the area is fine, just make sure you go for free, which would require you to at least get maybe 10 more points on the LSAT? Definitely don't go with anywhere with a 145. I second this, retake the LSAT and don't kill yourself studying, a mid 150's isn't difficult at all. Study a bit, go to a t...
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Re: Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: sparty99   on: February 14, at 3:30:45 pm   in: Legal Employment
What type of FICO score did y'all have when you refinanced?
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Re: Corporate work in Phoenix?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 3:25:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
Worked in Phoenix biglaw for a few years before lateraling out to a bigger market. Phoenix is a very insular and strange market for being in such a gigantic metro area. The legal market is tiny, everyone knows each other, and they're obsessed with attorneys having strong Phoenix area ties. I'm going to try to answer your questions but I'm a litigator, so take some of this with a grain of salt. 1. ...
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Time to respond to lateral offer  
  by: tall-e-hooo   on: February 14, at 3:14:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
Just got a few offers in the last few days. Have two other interviews to set up in the next two weeks that seem very promising. None of the offers expressly state when I should get back to them by. How much is too much time? I want to do my due diligence and won't take any more interviews after the two that I still need to set up, but don't want to get on anyone's bad side by taking too much time....
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Re: Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: soviet1   on: February 14, at 3:13:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
Been out of school <5 years and refi'd at least 8 times. Each time I've received a referral/switching bonus.
Since my loans aren't huge, I'd estimate that the switching bonuses have offset the vast majority of any interest I've paid. I'll play that game as long as someone will let me.
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Re: Cold Email Biglaw for Paralegal/Assistant Jobs?  
  by: gretchenweiners   on: February 14, at 2:28:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
No, I would not recommend you do that. Just apply to open/listed positions.
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Re: Cooper & Kirk  
  by: Birdman1330   on: February 14, at 2:22:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
I know a guy who got a recent position there. Very strong conservative credentials and connections (CCN). Not SCOTUS, but strong appellate clerkship lined up.
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Re: 1L SA C/O 2022  
  by: Birdman1330   on: February 14, at 2:18:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
Skadden Houston offer at CCN.
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Re: Exit options for BigLaw lit -- is in-house out of the question?  
  by: AdminMegan   on: February 14, at 1:46:50 pm   in: Legal Employment
Yes there are litigation options in house.
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Exit options for BigLaw lit -- is in-house out of the question?  
  by: LawSchoolGeeky   on: February 14, at 1:38:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm about to be a first year lit associate. I really don't enjoy corporate work as much and don't want to do corporate just for the purpose of trying to get in-house as an exit option. I'm not entirely sure I even will want to get out of BigLaw eventually, but if I did, I think I would want to get in-house (preferably doing a mix of transactional and litigation and not just all transactional, beca...
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Re: Blank Rome NYC -- Market Comp?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 1:04:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
Blank Rome is a black box compensation firm for associates past the first year.

Generally speaking, compensation does not keep pace with the Cravath scale and the gap gets bigger with more seniority.
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Re: What tier 2,3,4 law schools have the most generous grading curves?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 14, at 12:55:57 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate

FND wrote:People I know who did it in big cities made about $20-$50k their first year, and hopefully it'll grow every year after that. And yes, that is enough to live on, even in New York.

True, but not while servicing a huge debt load. That's the main thing that has changed since 1990.
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 14, at 12:49:23 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
In a nutshell, I was "gifted" a certain amount of time (no control over when it happened) to prepare for the LSAT and get accepted into a school. That window closes for me next month no matter what and there will be no time to study or retake the LSAT beyond that. I don't mean to be harsh, but in that case it sounds like you've squandered this window and you shouldn't go to law school. ...
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Iowa Law Student Taking Questions  
  by: Copp&Barn   on: February 14, at 12:48:58 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Hi everyone, I used this forum a few years ago when making my decision about law school. It was a very challenging period because of all the different risks and opportunities (plus the various magnitudes) that I had to consider. I found a lot of the information on TLS to be really helpful; however, there was a serious lack of information about Iowa Law. While everyone has their own decision making...
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Re: What are my chances? 3.8/173 But Feb application  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 14, at 12:28:18 pm   in: What are my chances?
Your chances are please reapply next year. You'll probably get a good scholarship at either of those schools with your numbers if you apply earlier in the cycle. It's not worth giving that up to start school fall 2020 as opposed to fall 2021. Strongly agree. You're in great shape for half-tuition, at least -- in other words, paying yourself like $100,000 and maybe way more than that (in after-tax...
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Re: Chance me cap  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: February 14, at 12:09:06 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
That said, if you got those mediocre grades at YLS, you could potentially get bites at less-competitive SDNY/EDNY judges, maybe even COA. Def apply to D.Mass, DNJ, whatever. There are people clerking EDNY with straight Ps. Again, caveat that this is YLS. Would think this is less true of HLS - grading being more granular, class size being bigger, and, to put it more bluntly, HLS being not-YLS. In ...
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Re: Should I go *back* to law school?  
  by: dabigchina   on: February 14, at 11:16:26 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
It's been a few years and I've actually built somewhat of a successful career as a product manager in tech. I learned to code and moved across the country. I have a good-paying job, plenty of career options, my work is interesting, and overall I'm quite happy. You sound like you like your life better than 90% of the lawyers I know. But there are some issues with tech that have left me unhappy (as...
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GA bar exam recent case law  
  by: matthew.adkins   on: February 14, at 10:49:32 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm taking the attorney's exam this month and in talking to folks it looks like the bar examiners like to add a question directly on point with recent appellate decisions. For example, one of my colleagues took the exam right after Obergfell (sp?), and she got a gay marriage fam law question. I asked a crim lawyer buddy and he told me to look at the big DUI change, sure enough, that exact issue wa...
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: Sobriquet44   on: February 14, at 10:29:10 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
According to the State Bar, the processing of moral character applications is currently running approximately 240-260 days from initial submission (not the day on which you receive the "file complete" notification). At the 240-260 day mark, the application file will be assigned to an investigator for review (ideally approval) and/or determination of whether additional information is nee...
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Blank Rome NYC -- Market Comp?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 9:49:33 am   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone know if Blank Rome NYC pays market salary and bonus? Vault indicates that their first years start at $190,000 (after 2,000 hours) but I cant find information on salary progression or bonus.
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Re: Chance me cap  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 9:47:02 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
That said, if you got those mediocre grades at YLS, you could potentially get bites at less-competitive SDNY/EDNY judges, maybe even COA. Def apply to D.Mass, DNJ, whatever. There are people clerking EDNY with straight Ps. Again, caveat that this is YLS. Would think this is less true of HLS - grading being more granular, class size being bigger, and, to put it more bluntly, HLS being not-YLS. In ...
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Re: NYC Vs. Chicago  
  by: FND   on: February 14, at 8:24:17 am   in: Choosing a Law School
How are you guys doing,I am a first generation law student here in the USA. i am currently trying to make a decision on which law school to attend. As of now, my two choices are New York Law School and Loyola in Chicago. Loyola in Chicago has a better ranking than New York Law School but New York Law School is in Manhattan,while Loyola is in downtown Chicago. Do firms only hire local attorneys? d...
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Re: S+168, chances of T14/20 scholarship?  
  by: amiaoa   on: February 14, at 8:01:08 am   in: What are my chances?
OK thanks! I guess I'll need to take the advice and work on the LSAT.
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 14, at 7:25:14 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
As far as the doubt.jpg goes I'm not going to go into detail. I know some admissions peruse the forums here and I'm trying to remain relatively anonymous. In a nutshell, I was "gifted" a certain amount of time (no control over when it happened) to prepare for the LSAT and get accepted into a school. That window closes for me next month no matter what and there will be no time to study o...
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Re: How to decide on law school  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 14, at 7:21:44 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum

kennedyiu wrote:Thank you so much for your reply. Definitely have given me some things to think about!

Did it make you think about giving more specifics so people can provide more concrete advice for your situation?
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Re: Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: beepboopbeep   on: February 14, at 1:53:51 am   in: Legal Employment

t-14orbust wrote:I’ve refinanced three times in two years. There is no penalty. Just keep rate-shopping until you get enough liquid capital to refinance with first republic.

same but just twice. and just do the refi after boneus season, unless you have crazy debt even a first-year bonus is enough
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Corporate work in Phoenix?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 14, at 1:30:08 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm currently a 2L, heading to a V10 firm in a major market doing corporate work. My significant other just got an incredible job offer in Phoenix AZ. I'm not sure what to do now. Did some search on Phoenix legal market but couldn't find much helpful info, was hoping if anyone can help provide some insight/advice: 1. How is the Phoenix legal market? Is there any legit corporate work? 2. How are th...
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Re: Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: t-14orbust   on: February 14, at 12:32:19 am   in: Legal Employment
I’ve refinanced three times in two years. There is no penalty. Just keep rate-shopping until you get enough liquid capital to refinance with first republic.
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Re: Nashville + other southern cities - partner profits?  
  by: FND   on: February 13, at 11:44:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
non-equity partners have some measure of confidence that they aren't going to get forced out of their jobs within the next couple years. it's not the '90s. If a firm is struggling, non-equity partners are just as likely to get laid off as anyone else. Remember, there's very little work that a non-equity partner can do that a senior associate can't do, and a senior associate is noticeably cheaper....
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Cold Email Biglaw for Paralegal/Assistant Jobs?  
  by: New_Englander   on: February 13, at 10:58:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hello TLS, I am currently an undergraduate senior, hoping to find a job at a biglaw firm by the time I graduate as a paralegal/case assistant/ project assistant before I apply to law school. I have applied to all the open positions I may be eligible for in my city, but I am nervous that those alone may not give me a good enough chance to land a job. Do think it may be a good idea to cold email fir...
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Re: Everything is Imploding  
  by: Uncreative123   on: February 13, at 10:58:22 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I don't understand why LSAC would request a Graduate transcript if it essentially has no impact. ... I'm not even sure how to approach this in an addendum without sounding like I'm making excuses, "Well my ACTUAL GPA was...." Absolutely do not write such an addendum. A GPA addendum is for the relatively rare scenario where you have a compelling explanation for a sudden, eyebrow-raising ...
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Re: Nashville + other southern cities - partner profits?  
  by: ignatiusr   on: February 13, at 10:26:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
Think you were missing OP's point about non-equity partners. PPP matters if you're an equity partner, doesn't matter if you're non-equity, so it's not that helpful to know the PPP of a firm where 50% of partners are non-equity (unless you're only interested in making equity partner). Also don't see why anecdotes are "useless" just because the profits vary. These aren't huge markets, so ...
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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 9:54:23 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any thoughts on Altonaga in S.D. Fla.?

Bump

I know some of her former clerks and have met her a few times. She is deeply respected and her clerks love her, ime.
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Re: Investment Financial Advisor vs Lawyer  
  by: Golradaer   on: February 13, at 9:48:38 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Thank you all for the feedback. In my current job, my boss and I are the only advisors in our firm. He is 63 and wants to retire in a few years. I am 22. In my small city, I have built many business connections: I am on the symphony board of directors, a development committee, and a plethora of business contacts. I do enjoy my job and playing the stock market. However, law school is a dream. I am...
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Re: How to decide on law school  
  by: kennedyiu   on: February 13, at 9:48:00 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Thank you so much for your reply. Definitely have given me some things to think about! This is a super general question, and the answer for you depends on a lot of things, including: 1) the rank/employment outcomes of each school, and the difference between the two; 2) how much each school costs for you, and the total cost difference; 3) what kind of work you want to do, and where; and 4) whether ...
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Re: Nashville + other southern cities - partner profits?  
  by: FND   on: February 13, at 8:54:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
Think you were missing OP's point about non-equity partners. PPP matters if you're an equity partner, doesn't matter if you're non-equity, so it's not that helpful to know the PPP of a firm where 50% of partners are non-equity (unless you're only interested in making equity partner). Also don't see why anecdotes are "useless" just because the profits vary. These aren't huge markets, so ...
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Re: I'm a Master's Student -- Who Should I Ask for Letters of Recommendation?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 13, at 8:30:38 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Current professors or undergrad professors are fine as long as they know you. Obligatory warning: I worked as a social worker before I came to grad school, and I think working as a public defender would be the ideal career for me. Although there's some crossover between PD work and social work (in certain areas of the country), it's not the same thing. Make sure you're very clear on what PDs do fo...
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Re: What are my chances? 3.8/173 But Feb application  
  by: Dcc617   on: February 13, at 8:02:01 pm   in: What are my chances?
Your chances are please reapply next year. You'll probably get a good scholarship at either of those schools with your numbers if you apply earlier in the cycle. It's not worth giving that up to start school fall 2020 as opposed to fall 2021.
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Re: Question re: Seyfarth Non-Partner Track Position  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 8:01:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
Bump
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Re: TTTT 3.48 GPA top 15% first semester  
  by: decimalsanddollars   on: February 13, at 7:43:55 pm   in: Transfers
Most successful TTT/TTTT transfers are to schools in the same region/city. A few examples from recent 509s: Charleston, Elon, and CathU to UNC Drexel to Penn John Marshall, Indiana (Indianapolis) to Notre Dame Suffolk, Western NE, RWU to BU/BC Chapman, Southwestern to UCLA/USC Louisville, CathU to Vandy Hofstra to Cornell St. Mary's, STCL (Houston), UNT (Dallas) to Texas Also note that Georgetown ...
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Re: Investment Financial Advisor vs Lawyer  
  by: lawdog97   on: February 13, at 7:42:03 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Thank you all for the feedback. In my current job, my boss and I are the only advisors in our firm. He is 63 and wants to retire in a few years. I am 22. In my small city, I have built many business connections: I am on the symphony board of directors, a development committee, and a plethora of business contacts. I do enjoy my job and playing the stock market. However, law school is a dream. I am ...
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Re: Moving Clerkship Year  
  by: ExperssioUnius   on: February 13, at 7:33:24 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I agree with cjm's response above and would approach this situation with considerable caution, especially where the offer was made three months ago (presumably when the judge was interviewing other candidates for the 2021 term). Unless you have good reason to think the judge has not filled for 2021, you risk setting a bad impression and looking disorganized without having anything to gain.
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Re: (Updated) Feeder Judge Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 7:31:53 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Do you have the numbers for Friedland and Owens? Also looks like Friedland is +1 as of today: https://twitter.com/SCOTUSambitions
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Re: What are my chances? 3.8/173 But Feb application  
  by: decimalsanddollars   on: February 13, at 7:20:34 pm   in: What are my chances?
Chances would have been better earlier on obviously, but your chances of admission are pretty great. Depending on a lot of other factors outside of your control, though, your scholarship draw will probably be worse than if you had applied in the fall.
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Re: What tier 2,3,4 law schools have the most generous grading curves?  
  by: FND   on: February 13, at 7:08:07 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
It's also worth noting that most small businesses don't turn a profit for 4 or 5 years. This doesn't apply to attorneys - unless you're a complete idiot, you should be profitable from your first client. However, that profit is probably too small to live off. I am of the opinion (and I've seen it) that most attorneys can build a successful practice if they're able to live off next-to-nothing the f...
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I'm a Master's Student -- Who Should I Ask for Letters of Recommendation?  
  by: avvvv   on: February 13, at 7:04:42 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Hi everyone. I am currently a first year Master's student, and I am planning to apply to law school this year, in Fall 2020. I went into my Master's program planning to become an academic, but I quickly realized it wasn't the right fit for me. I worked as a social worker before I came to grad school, and I think working as a public defender would be the ideal career for me. That being said, as a g...
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Re: Is it a waste to apply?  
  by: LegalSquare   on: February 13, at 7:02:47 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Thanks, appreciate your comments on both posts. I posted it on the urm forum, promise I’m not trying to be annoying! Lol
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Re: District Attorney's Offices 2020  
  by: tireddddd3l   on: February 13, at 6:51:32 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
This is how mine has gone so far for the Miami-Dade SAO: Resume collection via simplicity early summer 19 --> Letter in the mail saying I have been selected to interview late september --> Skype interview mid October (I'm an out of state applicant), it was almost an hours worth of hypotheticals... --> received another letter made 10/30 saying I've been selected to move on to interview with the ex...
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Re: Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: LaLiLuLeLo   on: February 13, at 6:15:23 pm   in: Legal Employment

decimalsanddollars wrote:
LaLiLuLeLo wrote:If they are refinanced through a private party (bank) the limit is until a lender won’t lend.

Do private refi agreements usually have an anti-turnaround provision, or could you refi as frequently as your credit allows (in theory) if you wanted?

I’ve only done it once and it did not have an anti turnaround or prepayment penalty.
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Re: Should I apply this cycle?  
  by: decimalsanddollars   on: February 13, at 5:57:54 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
To Harvard and Yale, yes, I think it'd be a waste, but if you're intent on going *somewhere* this year and truly don't think you could pick some points up with a retake and apply next cycle, I think you should apply to the whole t15-20 (other than maybe the t3-4) and see what you draw. It's a numbers game, but increasing your sample size does increase your chances of getting in somewhere. Also, if...
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What are my chances? 3.8/173 But Feb application  
  by: mh80   on: February 13, at 5:56:47 pm   in: What are my chances?
Can I get into Columbia or NYU? I just applied day after I got January LSAT back. Medium softs, 2 years work exp
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Re: Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: decimalsanddollars   on: February 13, at 5:52:07 pm   in: Legal Employment

LaLiLuLeLo wrote:If they are refinanced through a private party (bank) the limit is until a lender won’t lend.

Do private refi agreements usually have an anti-turnaround provision, or could you refi as frequently as your credit allows (in theory) if you wanted?
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Re: Is it a waste to apply?  
  by: decimalsanddollars   on: February 13, at 5:36:50 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Yes, it's a waste to apply to Harvard and Yale with those numbers, even with good softs. See my comment on your other (identical) thread for more details.
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Re: How to decide on law school  
  by: decimalsanddollars   on: February 13, at 5:33:55 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
This is a super general question, and the answer for you depends on a lot of things, including: 1) the rank/employment outcomes of each school, and the difference between the two; 2) how much each school costs for you, and the total cost difference; 3) what kind of work you want to do, and where; and 4) whether either school would enable you to do that work, in that place, assuming average perform...
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Re: Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: LaLiLuLeLo   on: February 13, at 5:29:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
If they are refinanced through a private party (bank) the limit is until a lender won’t lend.
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 5:18:34 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
any other WLRK dings or interviews (or offers)?
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Re: Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: AdminMegan   on: February 13, at 5:16:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
I believe you are only allowed to refinance once if you keep it a Fannie May loan. I am not 100% sure though.
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Re: 1L SA C/O 2022  
  by: Curlyq97   on: February 13, at 4:59:11 pm   in: Legal Employment
Has anyone heard back from Locke Lord?
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How to decide on law school  
  by: kennedyiu   on: February 13, at 4:39:55 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I’m wondering if I should go to a law school that is going to cost less but I don’t want to live in the state that it is in, or a law school that is more expensive but it is in the region I want to live in after law school? Thanks in advance!
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 4:36:42 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:W&C D.C. Interview late February.

can you give any rough timeframe about time from application to the time you got the interview?

Late Dec - Early Jan

I interviewed there earlier this cycle and it took just under a month after applying to get an interview invite.

Have you heard back re the interview? If so, how long did it take?

I did, and that took approximately three weeks.
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 4:33:24 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Received "while we were impressed with your app, we don't have any openings" from Wilkinson Walsh D.C. I'm a couple years more senior than the traditional appellate clerk, but has anyone else heard this? Assuming it's just a polite auto-ding.
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 4:30:35 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:W&C D.C. Interview late February.

can you give any rough timeframe about time from application to the time you got the interview?

Late Dec - Early Jan

I interviewed there earlier this cycle and it took just under a month after applying to get an interview invite.

Have you heard back re the interview? If so, how long did it take?
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Re: Anyone else insanely bored by their job?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 4:28:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
Boring work + toxic environment is way worse than just boring work. It's so bad where I work my coworker and I keep our doors shut and only leave our offices as needed (get lunch, go to bathroom) to avoid running into a certain partner.
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Is it a waste to apply?  
  by: LegalSquare   on: February 13, at 4:23:26 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Hey everyone, I was wondering if you think I have a shot at Harvard or Yale. I am hesitant to waste my application material if I were to be a reapplicant. Stats: 3.7-3.8 164 URM Latinx (yes one of the latinx ones that supposedly gives boost) Non first gen student First gen American Fulbright and a couple of cool internships Masters from ivy 26 yo I was thinking of retaking the lsat in April just t...
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Re: Should I apply this cycle?  
  by: LegalSquare   on: February 13, at 4:19:31 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Thanks,I appreciate it. Do you think it'd be a waste of time to apply? Or should I just delay? I would delay honestly but age...
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Re: Anyone else insanely bored by their job?  
  by: dabigchina   on: February 13, at 3:22:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
Corporate 4th year here. The reason this job is so awful is the combination of boredom and stress. I'm stressed out all the time, but the majority of tasks I do are still boring. I could stand being bored if I wasn't stressed, and I'd also be fine being stressed if it was a result of doing exciting work or something I found interesting - but stressed AND bored is killing me. Agreed. Biglaw transa...
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Re: Anyone else insanely bored by their job?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 3:12:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm doing patent prep/pros and I'm sick of it. The repetitive drafting of applications and responding to office actions on low fixed fee budgets gets old fast. I feel like more of an engineer than a lawyer (patent agents and tech advisors do the same work I do). Trying to move to a mixed practice or IP litigation/tech transaction role. I also hate the location I'm in so I'm trying to change that a...
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 2:41:01 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:W&C D.C. Interview late February.

can you give any rough timeframe about time from application to the time you got the interview?

Late Dec - Early Jan

I interviewed there earlier this cycle and it took just under a month after applying to get an interview invite.
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Re: Should I apply this cycle?  
  by: decimalsanddollars   on: February 13, at 2:33:29 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
https://mylsn.info/pxlmxv/ This myLSN report shows a chance, but not a good chance, at a handful of T14 schools. Your odds increase marginally over the next few points. You don't start to be competitive for most schools until 169+, but I recommend applying broadly regardless of how much your score improves because your softs/diversity statement could put you in the good pile at a school looking f...
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Re: Should I apply this cycle?  
  by: Anon-non-anon   on: February 13, at 1:58:02 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
No problem, don't mean to be harsh but the big upside is it sounds like you're in a good spot to get a much better score. Maybe this is built into what you said but if not, you should know that not all latinos get an URM boost. If memory serves from this site, being from Mexico will be a boost, but like Argentina will not. Just FYI. Either way, I would retake if you have the potential to get a muc...
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Re: Should I apply this cycle?  
  by: LegalSquare   on: February 13, at 1:46:57 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Yes - am Latino urm for any future replies. And thank you for your insight.
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Re: Should I apply this cycle?  
  by: Anon-non-anon   on: February 13, at 1:21:21 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
You do not have a shot at H/Y. You don't mention whether you are an URM (just first gen american, which is different) but if you are not, I'm not sure you have much of a chance at any T14. Others can speak if URM would give enough of a boost, but also might be pretty rough out there.

If retaking could vastly improve your score (sounds like it could), I would just try to do that.
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Re: Videoconference callback?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 1:18:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
Similar situation here but I actually already met with the hiring partner in person for the first round. Hope there is not another round because I waited an extremely long time between interviews (~ 2 months).
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Should I apply this cycle?  
  by: LegalSquare   on: February 13, at 12:49:54 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hey everyone, I was wondering if you think I have a shot at Harvard or Yale. I am hesitant to waste my application material if I were to be a reapplicant. Stats: 3.7-3.8 164 Non first gen student First gen American Fulbright and a couple of cool internships Masters from ivy 26 yo I was thinking of retaking the lsat in April just to have another score / prepare for the high possibility of being a r...
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Re: Biglaw Background Check  
  by: Anon-non-anon   on: February 13, at 12:16:13 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
No. Don't stress. Not a C&F lawyer or anything but also saw your other thread. This is minor stuff, and many people have much worse. You're all good.
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 12:03:45 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Anyone heard from any of the top firms in the following markets? -Philly -Atlanta -Chicago I think Chicago's bad this year - Jenner and Sidley are both disclaiming any hiring from market, at least without prior connection. I spoke to former coclerk colleagues at ML/Dechert/DLA in Philly and all of them indicated their respective firm was not currently looking to hire law clerks. I am not entirely...
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Re: Anyone else insanely bored by their job?  
  by: M458   on: February 13, at 11:48:28 am   in: Legal Employment
Corporate 4th year here. The reason this job is so awful is the combination of boredom and stress. I'm stressed out all the time, but the majority of tasks I do are still boring.

I could stand being bored if I wasn't stressed, and I'd also be fine being stressed if it was a result of doing exciting work or something I found interesting - but stressed AND bored is killing me.
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Re: Regret BigLaw? Lower paying job better financially?  
  by: dabigchina   on: February 13, at 11:39:37 am   in: Legal Employment
Yeah, it's the nexus of Cravath scale and middling CoL that makes Houston notable. Most cities with comparable CoL do not pay associates based on the New York market. On a separate note, arguing about monthly car payments is silly. If you are in biglaw, you shouldn't be living paycheck to paycheck, so monthlies are irrelevant. Total cost of ownership is all that matters. I'd also say it's not a g...
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 11:39:05 am   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:W&C D.C. Interview late February.

Same, also three smaller appellate DC shops for interviews. Applied around 1/10 for all. Also, WLRK ding in late December, maybe 2 weeks after applying. So far, just one NYC V5 offer.
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 11:37:24 am   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone heard from any of the top firms in the following markets?
-Philly
-Atlanta
-Chicago

I think Chicago's bad this year - Jenner and Sidley are both disclaiming any hiring from market, at least without prior connection.
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Re: Regret BigLaw? Lower paying job better financially?  
  by: LaLiLuLeLo   on: February 13, at 11:11:51 am   in: Legal Employment
Nah, LA is all underground or above ground structures.
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Re: Regret BigLaw? Lower paying job better financially?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 13, at 11:04:43 am   in: Legal Employment
Somewhat off topic, but you really don't want a big pickup truck in Texas biglaw. Downtown parking garages are quite tight on space- trying to maneuver one would be quite the PITA. They are actually not that common for that reason. This got me thinking -- Chicago might be the most pickup-friendly major market. you really think so? my buddy almost got his 2500 trapped in a garage in chi a couple y...
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Limit to how often you refi?  
  by: TigerIsBack   on: February 13, at 10:42:22 am   in: Legal Employment
Is there a limit to how often you should refi student loans? Mine area all consolidated into 1 loan (I refi'd like 2 months ago), and I just randomly decided to complete an online soft quote, and it looks like I could get a better rate for the same term, saving me about $100 per month. Is there any reason I shouldn't do this? There's no closing costs or anything, so seems like a no brainer because...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 10:42:11 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Has anyone received orders or base assignment for the 211th JAOBC? Or the email they were looking to get out listing if people were missing anything? I'm worried about getting everything moved as time drags on. We report to active duty in 25 days. How much notice do military movers need to get your stuff? :? I didn't get any updates in regards to orders. I got pushed from previous class, so I do ...
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Biglaw Background Check  
  by: TWERP34   on: February 13, at 10:21:08 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
So my offer is contingent upon passing a background check. Will two fast speeding tickets and 5 y/o expunged public urination charge get my offer revoked?
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 10:20:20 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Anyone know of any movement (interviews or offers) from WLRK?
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 10:17:49 am   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:W&C D.C. Interview late February.

can you give any rough timeframe about time from application to the time you got the interview?

Late Dec - Early Jan
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Re: Judge Roger Gregory  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 9:49:52 am   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:Any movement on 2021 term?

He just opened applications on 2/5. I suppose there may be movement, but I anticipate at least a little wait.
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Re: Anyone else insanely bored by their job?  
  by: Lacepiece23   on: February 13, at 9:48:39 am   in: Legal Employment
I hear you. I spent almost 4 years in big law and was bored almost the entire time. The first two years felt like I was doing nothing but administrative work, scheduling stuff, and mindless quasi-legal tasks. The last two were better, but still mind-numbingly boring for the most part. It seems like the majority of my job as a big law litigator was answering emails and phone calls. I really don't ...
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: AllAboutTheBasis   on: February 13, at 9:47:42 am   in: Legal Employment
Going to throw my hat in for working in DC for a year. It’ll give you a sense about what you do and don’t like about your job which, hopefully, can give you some idea about you would want in a legal practice. FWIW, I worked for two years prior to law school and think it was the best decision I ever made. Applications were ready but a cool job came up in a major city. It helps you mature a little, ...
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Re: Character and Fitness Worries  
  by: TWERP34   on: February 13, at 9:13:51 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thanks for the replies guys. Reassuring. I have an offer from a V100 firm contingent upon a background check. Do you think this stuff would be enough to ding me?
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 9:05:33 am   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:W&C D.C. Interview late February.

can you give any rough timeframe about time from application to the time you got the interview?
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 9:01:06 am   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:any movement from Kellogg?
Kellogg was interviewing at least some folks back in December.
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 13, at 8:51:14 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
W&C D.C. Interview late February.
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Re: Advice for practicing in different state from law school  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 13, at 7:26:43 am   in: Choosing a Law School
In addition to what others have said, I'm confused by this sentiment: I learned quickly that criminal law is not for me, and I have less than no desire to work for any level of government. I would love if anyone could give some insight as to how the above-mentioned JDs carry to my preferred area of practice . What is your preferred area of practice? So far, you've only identified areas you don't w...
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Re: TTTT 3.48 GPA top 15% first semester  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 13, at 7:22:06 am   in: Transfers
No one's going to be able to give you a definitive answer, but yes, your school rank will affect your chances. Glancing at WashU's last 509, for example, shows me that they didn't accept any transfers from a T3/4 school. Vanderbilt accepted one from Catholic U. It does sound like you're a URM, though, so I'm not sure what effect that might have on transfer admissions. Note: Moved to correct forum.
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Re: UC Davis: How do you like it?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: February 13, at 7:18:28 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I'm sure plenty of Davis alumni will have differing opinions about how much they "liked" school (something that has very little to do with the school).

The better question is whether Davis is the right fit for you. What will it cost you? And what are your career goals?
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TTTT 3.48 GPA top 15% first semester  
  by: Mitchellvac   on: February 13, at 1:06:27 am   in: Transfers
Tier 4 law school 3.48 First semester GPA Top 15% Softs (Student gov elected rep, volunteer for minority bar association in my area, volunteer judge for high school mock trial scrimmages) Long story short, I applied to many Tier 1 schools (non-binding early decision). I was wondering what are my chances for GW, WashU, and Vanderbilt? I have looked at the 509's many times but I don't quite understa...
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Re: Testing Accomdations for ADHD?  
  by: rcharter1978   on: February 13, at 12:54:34 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm taking the Illinois Bar in July. I have ADHD and use Adderall. Do I need to fill out a testing accommodation to use this medication on the test day? Is the Bar so strict that they would kick you out of the testing center if you used medication without filing for an accommodation? It just seems like a big hassle for no reason, as there is nothing different I require of my testing experience li...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: FloridaLawyer2B   on: February 13, at 12:24:35 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Random question - but is anyone taking the bar in February and a little perplexed by the lack of communication? I got a paper ticket in the mail. Is that literally all they send you? I've taken the bar in 2 other states and they've regularly communicated things via email (here is your ticket number, laptop compliance is by this date, etc.). Does Florida just tell you nothing, and if you didn't ge...
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: rosemi   on: February 13, at 12:21:51 am   in: 1st Year and 2nd Year Summer
Looking to sublet my NY 180sq ft bedroom in a 2bd for $1450/mo. Early May - end of August, female roommate, fully furnished. Please PM for details!
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Re: In House: How long till decision?  
  by: kaiser   on: February 12, at 11:16:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
It is going to come off very poorly if you ask yet again, having already inquired at the 1-week and 2-week marks.
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Judge Roger Gregory  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 10:57:54 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Any movement on 2021 term?
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 10:04:59 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
US magistrate clerk, mid-way through yearlong clerkship in non-prestigious district, with two years of state criminal trial experience and roughly a year of appellate criminal experience before clerkship. Should I begin applying to USAO openings? Can anyone guess my chances at "fly over" offices?
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: lawlo   on: February 12, at 9:58:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm not sure I agree with taking time off for the money. Get paid $70k-$80k in DC or accelerate your start at $190k. Seems like an easy choice to me. Enjoy your early 20's while you can or dive face-first into the hell that is early-career legal practice. Seems like an easy choice to me. K-JD here. Several years into this biglaw schtick (so now in my late 20s). Law school was a joke, and I popped...
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Re: Recent Boies Schiller Press  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 9:44:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
Lot of departures recently? 2 partners from NY office to Jenner: https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2020/02/02/two-ny-boies-schiller-partners-leave-for-jenner-block/ 12 "attorneys" (at least one partner) founding new firm: http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/a-dozen-boies-schiller-lawyers-join-new-boutique-law-firm https://www.law.com/americanlawyer/2020/02/10/at-boies-schiller-ne...
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UC Davis: How do you like it?  
  by: goldenhiccups   on: February 12, at 8:27:02 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Hello! My cycle is mostly over and in my opinion, the best school I’ve gotten so far is UC Davis. (Also admitted at USF, UC Hastings, Northeastern, waitlisted at Boston U). I want to practice in California, I had my ambitions set on going to LA because I love SoCal and did undergrad at UCLA. At first I was against Davis overall, since I live 30 minutes away and was quite set on living in a bigger ...
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Re: Videoconference callback?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 7:40:29 pm   in: Legal Employment
Has anyone had one of these? I’m interviewing with a firm next week and I’m “meeting” with people from their other offices. I will be in their local office (the practice group is in another office. Has anyone had this experience before? What is there usually another round after this? I had the exact same experience and was also wondering if there would be another round. FWIW, I got an offer after...
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Re: Videoconference callback?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 7:40:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
Has anyone had one of these? I’m interviewing with a firm next week and I’m “meeting” with people from their other offices. I will be in their local office (the practice group is in another office. Has anyone had this experience before? What is there usually another round after this? I had the exact same experience and was also wondering if there would be another round. FWIW, I got an offer after...
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Re: In House: How long till decision?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 7:35:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
Op here. It has now just passed the three week mark and the online postings for the position were just taken down. However, my status on the job portal has not changed. Would it be excessive if I followed up again? Have followed up at the one week and two week mark. For personal scheduling + lease agreement reasons it would be really helpful if I found out what their decision was, but I don’t want...
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Re: Applying to UVA & Penn Law!  
  by: 2020alum   on: February 12, at 7:15:03 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
FWIW, I was waitlisted at Penn with a higher GPA and a 170 LSAT as an AA male, I feel like sub 160 is an auto reject at Penn, URM or not.
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Re: Defer LS for a year to work in DC?  
  by: 64Fl   on: February 12, at 7:07:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm not sure I agree with taking time off for the money. Get paid $70k-$80k in DC or accelerate your start at $190k. Seems like an easy choice to me. Enjoy your early 20's while you can or dive face-first into the hell that is early-career legal practice. Seems like an easy choice to me. K-JD here. Several years into this biglaw schtick (so now in my late 20s). Law school was a joke, and I popped...
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Re: How late to clerk before COA judges get wary?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 6:50:22 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Great responses. So then the consensus is that having a District Court lined could help for terms starting after the District Court clerkship ends, but probably won't do much for COA applications (apart from being a general credential or potential boost where the COA judge knows the District Court judge) for the prior term (2021)?
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Re: Anyone else insanely bored by their job?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 6:49:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
I hear you. I spent almost 4 years in big law and was bored almost the entire time. The first two years felt like I was doing nothing but administrative work, scheduling stuff, and mindless quasi-legal tasks. The last two were better, but still mind-numbingly boring for the most part. It seems like the majority of my job as a big law litigator was answering emails and phone calls. I really don't u...
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L&E Exit Opportunities Question  
  by: tall-e-hooo   on: February 12, at 6:48:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm a 3rd year lit biglaw associate in the bay area and have been offered to be moved to my firm's L&E department from commercial lit. They're extremely busy and need more bodies. I've done a few L&E assignments and have really enjoyed them. I'm not too fond of straight commercial lit and think this is a great opportunity to specialize. That being said, a big part of why I'd want to move i...
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Re: How late to clerk before COA judges get wary?  
  by: BansheeScream   on: February 12, at 6:43:54 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Agree with above that you won't be too old to clerk. I got a CoA clerkship for 2022-23 and the judge still has the rest of his spots open. Seems like a lot of judges value work experience and almost all will value a D. Ct clerkship before. In terms of your second question, if you get the D. Ct, I would put that on your resume and mention it in your cover letter. It could help, like you mentioned, ...
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Re: How late to clerk before COA judges get wary?  
  by: lavarman84   on: February 12, at 6:39:20 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Additionally, I'm wondering when the District Court helps for getting a COA. If I got the offer, would it help for getting a COA before the District Court clerkship? Alternatively, would it help upon offer but only for terms after the District Court clerkship? Is it only helpful once you've clerked and the Judge is willing to be a recommender? It could. I saw the greatest benefit after I received...
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Re: TX Bar July 2020 - Repeater. Need Bar Prep Suggestions.  
  by: AdminMegan   on: February 12, at 6:37:06 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
If you are looking for bar prep material have you checked out the buy-exchange-giveaway forum? viewforum.php?f=31

You might be able to find the bar prep material you are looking for, for a lot cheaper.
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Re: Regret BigLaw? Lower paying job better financially?  
  by: thatlawlkid   on: February 12, at 6:36:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
Somewhat off topic, but you really don't want a big pickup truck in Texas biglaw. Downtown parking garages are quite tight on space- trying to maneuver one would be quite the PITA. They are actually not that common for that reason. This got me thinking -- Chicago might be the most pickup-friendly major market. you really think so? my buddy almost got his 2500 trapped in a garage in chi a couple y...
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Re: HLS only, GRE only (4.0, 338)  
  by: grehopeful   on: February 12, at 6:26:22 pm   in: What are my chances?
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 6:19:01 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
According to the State Bar, the processing of moral character applications is currently running approximately 240-260 days from initial submission (not the day on which you receive the "file complete" notification). At the 240-260 day mark, the application file will be assigned to an investigator for review (ideally approval) and/or determination of whether additional information is nee...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: JagRes19   on: February 12, at 6:02:33 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
If I recall correctly my first time thru this process, the DODMERB was a separate email than one from JARO that sent the Welcome Letter and info about timelines, etc. If the timeframes are similar, we should be receiving both within the next couple of weeks.
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Re: 1L SA C/O 2022  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 5:55:47 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Wachtell has essentially finished hiring this year

I'd imagine they were essentially finished right about the time they started lol. Don't think they hire too many 1Ls, and it's probably insanely competitive. For reference: I didn't get so much as a hint of interest for 1L and then actually got the 2L SA offer.
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Re: How late to clerk before COA judges get wary?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 5:50:42 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

lavarman84 wrote:No.

Great thanks. Hopefully the offer comes through then
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Re: How late to clerk before COA judges get wary?  
  by: lavarman84   on: February 12, at 5:49:29 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
No.
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How late to clerk before COA judges get wary?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 5:48:12 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I am currently interviewing for a District Court in 2022, which would be a year after my graduation. I'm wondering--if I get it will COA judges be wary about my candidacy in 2023? I've heard COA judges prefer clerks on the very early side of their careers; but with the new plan, I'm worried about my chances at a COA in 2021 as opposed to 2023 since a substantial portion of judges are already hired...
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Re: Taking LSAT 4 times  
  by: exdeanrod   on: February 12, at 5:37:26 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I wouldn't worry about admissions being concerned with a fourth take. I have a friend who got into a t13 with a generous scholarship, and he took it four times. Schools really only care about your highest score because that is where their incentive lies (i.e. if they had to report all of your scores, they would care, but they only have to record your highest take when calculating your classes' LSA...
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Re: Regret BigLaw? Lower paying job better financially?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: February 12, at 5:24:55 pm   in: Legal Employment

nealric wrote:Somewhat off topic, but you really don't want a big pickup truck in Texas biglaw. Downtown parking garages are quite tight on space- trying to maneuver one would be quite the PITA. They are actually not that common for that reason.

This got me thinking -- Chicago might be the most pickup-friendly major market.
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Re: Anyone else insanely bored by their job?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 5:17:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
Yeah, so I thought about that. When I was making the decision I thought corp would make it easier to go in-house (which I thought was something I wanted to keep open at the time) and being a first year lit associate sounded awful. As much as I hate my firm it has a pretty good pro bono program, so I'm currently helping represent a defendant at the trial level (writing motions, etc). Plan is to do ...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 5:06:01 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Random question - but is anyone taking the bar in February and a little perplexed by the lack of communication? I got a paper ticket in the mail. Is that literally all they send you? I've taken the bar in 2 other states and they've regularly communicated things via email (here is your ticket number, laptop compliance is by this date, etc.). Does Florida just tell you nothing, and if you didn't get...
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Re: 2019-2020 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 5:05:36 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
any movement from Kellogg?
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Re: Which DOJ Unit Has the Best Exit Options?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 4:34:14 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
But if entering private practice again is primarily achieved through the latter option, what is the point of the first scenario?
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Re: Anyone else insanely bored by their job?  
  by: PeanutsNJam   on: February 12, at 4:27:44 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Corporate first year. I fucking hate this job so much. I'm counting down the months until I can change over to my dream job (public defender).

Why are you in corp if you want to litigate in the future? Might as well switch to lit so you're not starting from square 0 at the public defender's.
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Re: HLS only, GRE only (4.0, 338)  
  by: AJordan   on: February 12, at 4:18:28 pm   in: What are my chances?
You probably already considered this, but it is likely a good idea to ask your recommenders if they know any folks at HLS connected to their areas of research or, alternatively, anybody in the PhD pipeline who could refer you. There may be some sort of legal superstar at one of the other ~T10 schools who could give you better/more honest information than just your standard admissions rep. Having s...
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Re: Houston (Bracewell v. KE/VE/GDC)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: February 12, at 4:14:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
Agreed with others above. If you have the option of KE/VE/GDC, I would go with those over Bracewell.

Also not a fan of the culture at Bracewell (very good 'ol boy compared to the top firms). Don't get me wrong, there are great people and non so great people at all these firms, but Bracewell consistently lags on things like diversity.
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