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171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:49 pm
by max
171/3.59 economics/latin american studies double major from a top 25 undergrad school, with 1 year of Americorps VISTA non-profit work experience.

i have two questions-

first of all: NYU is my dream school-what are my chances and is it worth it for ED?

second: how much money do you think could I get from top 20-35sh east coast schools (I'm thinking Fordham, BU, BC, GWU, any others??). Are there any that might offer a full ride?

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:51 pm
by rondemarino
max wrote:171/3.59 economics/latin american studies double major from a top 25 undergrad school, with 1 year of Americorps VISTA non-profit work experience.

i have two questions-

first of all: NYU is my dream school-what are my chances and is it worth it for ED?

second: how much money do you think could I get from top 20-35sh east coast schools (I'm thinking Fordham, BU, BC, GWU, any others??). Are there any that might offer a full ride?


Any school where you're above both medians (lost of T30s) would be retarded not to give you boatloads of scholarship money.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:08 pm
by ace0260
yeah will get great schollys from 20-30 crowd and maybe even the vandy texas usc ucla crowd.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:22 pm
by starstruck393
I'm sure you could get at least 1 T30 full ride, either initially or through negotiation...

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:32 pm
by OperaSoprano
NYU, ED, stat. Apply to all the T30s, but be prepared to withdraw when NYU admits you. Yes, you can still get money, even ED, though less than a full ride.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:39 pm
by rondemarino
OperaSoprano wrote:NYU, ED, stat. Apply to all the T30s, but be prepared to withdraw when NYU admits you. Yes, you can still get money, even ED, though less than a full ride.


You wouldn't happen to be generalizing for dbt's seemingly exceptional case, would you? (link)

Its also incredibly stupid for a school to give out scholarship money to someone who ED'd. Money that could be spent attracting 'talent' (ok, numbers) away from Columbia, Chicago, or HYS. Even more so in a case where the applicant is below BOTH medians, as OP is.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:48 pm
by OperaSoprano
rondemarino wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:NYU, ED, stat. Apply to all the T30s, but be prepared to withdraw when NYU admits you. Yes, you can still get money, even ED, though less than a full ride.


You wouldn't happen to be generalizing for dbt's seemingly exceptional case, would you? (link)

Its also incredibly stupid for a school to give out scholarship money to someone who ED'd. Money that could be spent attracting 'talent' (ok, numbers) away from Columbia, Chicago, or HYS. Even more so in a case where the applicant is below BOTH medians, as OP is.


dbt isn't alone. NYU is relatively generous... my school certainly can't just lob huge scholarships at people it wants. (I love Fordham, but wish we had more money.) Schools do give less money to ED applicants, as you noted, so it can be a gamble, but if it's OP's first choice, it's a risk worth taking. If he can demonstrate need, he should certainly get something, especially if he speaks up.

I will now cease, since NYU doesn't really need to be trolled for, lol.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:01 pm
by rondemarino
OperaSoprano wrote:
rondemarino wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:NYU, ED, stat. Apply to all the T30s, but be prepared to withdraw when NYU admits you. Yes, you can still get money, even ED, though less than a full ride.


You wouldn't happen to be generalizing for dbt's seemingly exceptional case, would you? (link)

Its also incredibly stupid for a school to give out scholarship money to someone who ED'd. Money that could be spent attracting 'talent' (ok, numbers) away from Columbia, Chicago, or HYS. Even more so in a case where the applicant is below BOTH medians, as OP is.


dbt isn't alone. NYU is relatively generous... my school certainly can't just lob huge scholarships at people it wants. (I love Fordham, but wish we had more money.) Schools do give less money to ED applicants, as you noted, so it can be a gamble, but if it's OP's first choice, it's a risk worth taking. If he can demonstrate need, he should certainly get something, especially if he speaks up.

I will now cease, since NYU doesn't really need to be trolled for, lol.


I wonder if that is attributable to NYU's endowment income. Both schools generate the same revenue from tuition. Can't imagine their expenses are radically different. Anyway, another day another topic.

My personal, uninformed-0L opinion is that without a positive, or at least neutral on the school's LSAT/GPA medians, there's a good chance you are 'wasting' an ED. Paste this link in your browser (http://nyu.lawschoolnumbers.com/applica ... =3&type=jd)

The data is from LSN, sorted by by non-URM ED acceptances. Replace "nyu" in the link with all any other school and see if there are ANY ED acceptances where a candidate was below both the school's LSAT and GPA medians.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:14 pm
by OperaSoprano
rondemarino wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
rondemarino wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:NYU, ED, stat. Apply to all the T30s, but be prepared to withdraw when NYU admits you. Yes, you can still get money, even ED, though less than a full ride.


You wouldn't happen to be generalizing for dbt's seemingly exceptional case, would you? (link)

Its also incredibly stupid for a school to give out scholarship money to someone who ED'd. Money that could be spent attracting 'talent' (ok, numbers) away from Columbia, Chicago, or HYS. Even more so in a case where the applicant is below BOTH medians, as OP is.


dbt isn't alone. NYU is relatively generous... my school certainly can't just lob huge scholarships at people it wants. (I love Fordham, but wish we had more money.) Schools do give less money to ED applicants, as you noted, so it can be a gamble, but if it's OP's first choice, it's a risk worth taking. If he can demonstrate need, he should certainly get something, especially if he speaks up.

I will now cease, since NYU doesn't really need to be trolled for, lol.


I wonder if that is attributable to NYU's endowment income. Both schools generate the same revenue from tuition. Can't imagine their expenses are radically different. Anyway, another day another topic.

My personal, uninformed-0L opinion is that without a positive, or at least neutral on the school's LSAT/GPA medians, there's a good chance you are 'wasting' an ED. Paste this link in your browser (http://nyu.lawschoolnumbers.com/applica ... =3&type=jd)

The data is from LSN, sorted by by non-URM ED acceptances. Replace "nyu" in the link with all any other school and see if there are ANY ED acceptances where a candidate was below both the school's LSAT and GPA medians.


For someone far below, ED won't help. I think OP's numbers have a shot, though, if his application is well crafted. The worst he'll get is a deferral to RD. His numbers are right on the cusp, so this is precisely where ED might be useful.

Your instincts re: endowment are spot on. Fordham is, factually speaking, the underdog of NYC. NYU has nearly six times as much money... I don't even want to do the math on Columbia. Fordham's certainly done a lot with a little. That said, if NYU would have given OP money for RD, he'll probably still get something if admitted ED, and it's his best shot.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:20 pm
by rondemarino
OperaSoprano wrote:For someone far below, ED won't help. I think OP's numbers have a shot, though, if his application is well crafted. The worst he'll get is a deferral to RD. His numbers are right on the cusp, so this is precisely where ED might be useful.

Your instincts re: endowment are spot on. Fordham is, factually speaking, the underdog of NYC. NYU has nearly six times as much money... I don't even want to do the math on Columbia. Fordham's certainly done a lot with a little. That said, if NYU would have given OP money for RD, he'll probably still get something if admitted ED, and it's his best shot.


The benefits of ED go both ways. Schools have to get something in return. Yes, they are guaranteed an enrollment from the acceptance offer, but I'd wager that almost anyone with numbers below both medians is a guaranteed enrollment anyway.

Personally, I think Penn gets you more bang for your ED buck, but I hate Penn, so I advise against it. :D

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:26 pm
by OperaSoprano
rondemarino wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:For someone far below, ED won't help. I think OP's numbers have a shot, though, if his application is well crafted. The worst he'll get is a deferral to RD. His numbers are right on the cusp, so this is precisely where ED might be useful.

Your instincts re: endowment are spot on. Fordham is, factually speaking, the underdog of NYC. NYU has nearly six times as much money... I don't even want to do the math on Columbia. Fordham's certainly done a lot with a little. That said, if NYU would have given OP money for RD, he'll probably still get something if admitted ED, and it's his best shot.


The benefits of ED go both ways. Schools have to get something in return. Yes, they are guaranteed an enrollment from the acceptance offer, but I'd wager that almost anyone with numbers below both medians is a guaranteed enrollment anyway.

Personally, I think Penn gets you more bang for your ED buck, but I hate Penn, so I advise against it. :D


LOL. Here follows my endorsement of NYU. I will say that it's my favorite T14.

People are quirky, though, and pick law schools for reasons we would never credit.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:11 pm
by 02082010
LSAT is at median and GPA right around 25%. Ehhh, I guess you should ED if you're willing to pay sticker.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:23 pm
by rondemarino
I retract my previous (uninformed) advice.

RD, non-URM, LSAT<171, GPA<3.65

While the ED might be technically wasted, OP's numbers have found their way in NYU via RD. By applying ED, NYU will know that they can offer OP an acceptance during RD and be close to certain that he/she will accept.

Good luck.

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:00 pm
by max
(revision-my LSDAS GPA is 3.61), LSAT still 171

here is my full list... let me know odds/money for RD

Stanford
Berkley
Columbia
NYU
Chicago
Penn
Georgetown
GWU
BU
Fordham

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:38 pm
by drew
max wrote:(revision-my LSDAS GPA is 3.61), LSAT still 171

here is my full list... let me know odds/money for RD

Stanford - out
Berkley - no clue
Columbia - wl/out
NYU - wl/in
Chicago -wl/out
Penn - in
Georgetown - in, $$
GWU - in, $$$
BU - in, $$
Fordham - in $$

Re: 171 / 3.59 Scholarships top 30?

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:14 pm
by max
here's how it's turned out, so far... (171 / lsac 3.60)
updated

GULC - in
Fordham - in $$
GWU - in
Boston U - in
Harvard - rejected
UVA - waitlisted
UMich - waitlisted
UPenn - waitlisted
Columbia - waitlisted
NYU - waitlisted