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178 LSAT/2.74 LSAC gpa/1 year valuable WE outside college

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:20 pm
by lawapplicant2017
Every once in a while you see individuals with a 2.7ish gpa/177+ LSAT ask what are my chances, and it looks like they can snag acceptances at Georgetown, Cornell, UVA, Michigan, and that's usually even if they don't have work experience and are still in college.

In my case when I apply, I will have . . . a 2.74 gpa/ 178 LSAT and one year of valuable work experience post college, in the business field.

So . . . given that I'll have 1 year of work experience separating me from college, the 2.74/178, would I have a chance at: Georgetown or UVA or Cornell or lower Top 14?

Re: 178 LSAT/2.74 LSAC gpa/1 year valuable WE outside college

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:36 pm
by Platopus
I'm not sure that year of WE is as valuable as you might think, since it won't really separate you from your GPA all that much. Even so, I think you are still at least somewhat competitive for Northwestern, Georgetown, UVA, Penn (maybe...?) and the remaining schools in the 15-20 range. As usual, splitter status is going to make your cycle somewhat unpredictable, but you should still have decent outcomes.

Re: 178 LSAT/2.74 LSAC gpa/1 year valuable WE outside college

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:09 pm
by cavalier1138
Yeah, your one year of WE isn't going to separate you from the pack. I think you can apply broadly, but I wouldn't be quite so optimistic about your admissions chances, even at splitter-friendly schools. You can hopefully pull UVA/Northwestern, but that's certainly not a guarantee. A sub-3.0 GPA is a big problem for top schools.

Re: 178 LSAT/2.74 LSAC gpa/1 year valuable WE outside college

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:58 am
by lawapplicant2017
Thanks everyone for your help. I appreciate your replies and taking time to answer the question I had.

If anyone has time, and wouldn't mind an additional question or two:

1. I looked around on Law School numbers and it seems when you see others with similar numbers, they don't have any information on their page in terms of their acceptances. What percentage of applicants log their info on LSN? 10 percent? So, if there is about 7-10 splitters with similar numbers this cycle, then there might be relatively more that don't use LSN?

2. I know there are no guarantees with a sub-3.0, but with the 2.74/178 LSAT/1 year of WE, and though it doesn't matter much (having an upward grade trend and great reason for the lower gpa), if I applied to UVA, NW, Georgetown, Michigan, Cornell, Upenn, what would you guess was the chance of my getting into one? (40 percent, 50?)

Re: 178 LSAT/2.74 LSAC gpa/1 year valuable WE outside college

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:15 am
by sparkytrainer
lawapplicant2017 wrote:Thanks everyone for your help. I appreciate your replies and taking time to answer the question I had.

If anyone has time, and wouldn't mind an additional question or two:

1. I looked around on Law School numbers and it seems when you see others with similar numbers, they don't have any information on their page in terms of their acceptances. What percentage of applicants log their info on LSN? 10 percent? So, if there is about 7-10 splitters with similar numbers this cycle, then there might be relatively more that don't use LSN?

2. I know there are no guarantees with a sub-3.0, but with the 2.74/178 LSAT/1 year of WE, and though it doesn't matter much (having an upward grade trend and great reason for the lower gpa), if I applied to UVA, NW, Georgetown, Michigan, Cornell, Upenn, what would you guess was the chance of my getting into one? (40 percent, 50?)


No one is going to be able to tell you with any sort of authority. Under 3.0 gpa really hurts your app. Unfortunately that is the way it is. You might get a few t13s to take a shot with you, but its also equally likely you dont get into a single one. It depends on your application and how badly a school needs a great lsat score. Regardless, you wont be getting much, if at all, scholarship money from any t13 that does accept you.

I imagine you will snag WUSTL and I think you probably can force them to give you a full ride. That might be your only good option.

Re: 178 LSAT/2.74 LSAC gpa/1 year valuable WE outside college

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:47 am
by sanzgo
lawapplicant2017 wrote:Thanks everyone for your help. I appreciate your replies and taking time to answer the question I had.

If anyone has time, and wouldn't mind an additional question or two:

1. I looked around on Law School numbers and it seems when you see others with similar numbers, they don't have any information on their page in terms of their acceptances. What percentage of applicants log their info on LSN? 10 percent? So, if there is about 7-10 splitters with similar numbers this cycle, then there might be relatively more that don't use LSN?

2. I know there are no guarantees with a sub-3.0, but with the 2.74/178 LSAT/1 year of WE, and though it doesn't matter much (having an upward grade trend and great reason for the lower gpa), if I applied to UVA, NW, Georgetown, Michigan, Cornell, Upenn, what would you guess was the chance of my getting into one? (40 percent, 50?)


you can forget penn, cornell, michigan.

you'd have a chance at NW if you had better/longer WE but as it is, i think NW chances are <10%.
Georgetown: <30%
UVA w/out ED: 0%
UVA w/ ED on 9/1: <20%

if you don't mind attending LS @ sticker and you're T-14 or bust, then your only option is to ED UVA 9/1 and if it doesn't workout, ED Georgetown.

TCR is WUSTL with full/near-full scholarship but i can understand why someone might want to go to T-14 @ sticker. just know what you're getting into if you go that route.

Re: 178 LSAT/2.74 LSAC gpa/1 year valuable WE outside college

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:43 am
by candidlatke
sanzgo wrote:
lawapplicant2017 wrote:Thanks everyone for your help. I appreciate your replies and taking time to answer the question I had.

If anyone has time, and wouldn't mind an additional question or two:

1. I looked around on Law School numbers and it seems when you see others with similar numbers, they don't have any information on their page in terms of their acceptances. What percentage of applicants log their info on LSN? 10 percent? So, if there is about 7-10 splitters with similar numbers this cycle, then there might be relatively more that don't use LSN?

2. I know there are no guarantees with a sub-3.0, but with the 2.74/178 LSAT/1 year of WE, and though it doesn't matter much (having an upward grade trend and great reason for the lower gpa), if I applied to UVA, NW, Georgetown, Michigan, Cornell, Upenn, what would you guess was the chance of my getting into one? (40 percent, 50?)


you can forget penn, cornell, michigan.

you'd have a chance at NW if you had better/longer WE but as it is, i think NW chances are <10%.
Georgetown: <30%
UVA w/out ED: 0%
UVA w/ ED on 9/1: <20%

if you don't mind attending LS @ sticker and you're T-14 or bust, then your only option is to ED UVA 9/1 and if it doesn't workout, ED Georgetown.

TCR is WUSTL with full/near-full scholarship but i can understand why someone might want to go to T-14 @ sticker. just know what you're getting into if you go that route.

this just seems wrong

with a 2.74 and a 178 & WE, i'd put you at 80% for NW/Mich/UVA with small-moderate scholarship, maybe 30% at penn, 0% at cornell

Re: 178 LSAT/2.74 LSAC gpa/1 year valuable WE outside college

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:15 am
by Hi-So - ArshavinFan
cavalier1138 wrote:Yeah, your one year of WE isn't going to separate you from the pack. I think you can apply broadly, but I wouldn't be quite so optimistic about your admissions chances, even at splitter-friendly schools. You can hopefully pull UVA/Northwestern, but that's certainly not a guarantee. A sub-3.0 GPA is a big problem for top schools.



Ehh, depending on the major/prestige of school attended, I've seen it overcome.
i know a Princeton sub 3.0 with money at a T10 FWIW

We'd have to know this major and the clout of the school attended. Also why he got a sub 3.0 is also critical. If OP had to take care of ailing parents/emergency situation, I would imagine that would be worth something coupled with his/her fantastic score