2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:18 pm

ToGetIntoTheBoysHole wrote:http://i.imgur.com/q09u8NV.jpg

I think this provides the information you're looking for in a way that mylsn doesn't.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby tofuspeedstar » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:21 pm

Zoroaster wrote:
Wild Card wrote:I'm under the impression that these days top law schools are so desperate for high-scorers that they'll overlook your GPA. High GPAs are a dime a dozen, after all.

You're already well above their 75th, so it doesn't help you at all to retake the LSAT. You're better off focusing on writing a concise and persuasive GPA addendum.

Yeah, I'm torn on this, but I sincerely appreciate the feedback. I'm thinking either to commit to a rigorous discipline to prepare for two LSATs [June/Sept/Dec] LSATs, and considering whether to just risk it and apply with I have for this coming cycle.

And for the sake of honesty, here's the list that I'm viewing from MyLSN.info and why posters think I'm delusion for believing that I have a fighter's chance given that I also see numbers close to mine who were considered, albeit waitlisted:

Accepted 177 2.70 $117500 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nagster5
Accepted 176 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/badams91
Accepted 176 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Hagenomics
Accepted 174 3.00 $75000 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/amalthea
Accepted 173 2.79 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/freshmaker
Accepted 173 2.66 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Splitter2014
Accepted 173 2.52 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/The%20Unnamable
Accepted 172 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nottaxlaw
Accepted 168 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/dagwood
Accepted 168 2.65 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Alaska
Waitlisted -> Accepted 171 3.00 $48000 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/still
Waitlisted -> Accepted 171 2.97 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ChemE
Waitlisted -> Accepted 170 2.49 $51000 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/d2verge
Waitlisted 180 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/mcbrains
Waitlisted 179 2.91 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/WatchClosely
Waitlisted 177 2.63 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/trivialine
Waitlisted 176 2.86 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/egrubs
Waitlisted 176 2.60 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/FinanceLawyer
Waitlisted 175 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/glass
Waitlisted 175 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/jdb2013
Waitlisted 174 2.98 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/wtb
Waitlisted 174 2.92 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/rgsm1987
Waitlisted 174 2.92 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Brackket
Waitlisted 174 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/woeismyugpa
Waitlisted 174 2.75 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/gocards
Waitlisted 174 2.75 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/boredtodeath
Waitlisted 173 2.99 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/dontpanic
Waitlisted 173 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/GCoop
Waitlisted 173 2.59 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/SplitDecision
Waitlisted 173 2.38 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/splittersdilemma
Waitlisted 172 2.78 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cpslo12
Waitlisted 171 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nickd12095
Waitlisted 171 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/bloomlaw
Waitlisted 171 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/joshpart
Waitlisted 171 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cdoor
Waitlisted 171 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nonunique
Waitlisted 171 2.81 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ChemBoy613
Waitlisted 171 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/an0therdatap0int
Waitlisted 171 2.79 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/THE_LOCH_NESSIE
Waitlisted 171 2.70 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/splitacular
Waitlisted 170 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/kjchilds
Waitlisted 170 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Strawmankleos
Waitlisted 170 2.95 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/bunnysaber
Waitlisted 170 2.95 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cornellhopeful08
Waitlisted 170 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/tuxedocat
Waitlisted 170 2.83 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/davelinthorst
Waitlisted 170 2.83 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/norenori
Waitlisted 170 2.72 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/AlwaysSplit8s
Waitlisted 169 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/applicant12345
Waitlisted 169 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/jcpix09
Waitlisted 169 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nuttah
Waitlisted 169 2.69 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/illiac
Waitlisted 168 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/goodnews
Waitlisted 168 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ihope
Waitlisted 168 2.97 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/weaksplit
Waitlisted 168 2.91 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/hanestagless
Waitlisted 168 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/calibby
Waitlisted 168 2.83 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Ubermaus
Waitlisted 167 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/workingout
Waitlisted 167 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/GreenMilkTea
Waitlisted 167 2.95 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Lakers82and0
Waitlisted 167 2.85 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/about_time
Waitlisted 167 2.56 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/johnnyrocket45
Waitlisted 166 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nanonano
Waitlisted -> Denied 176 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CSEMajor
Waitlisted -> Denied 176 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/whimsical
Waitlisted -> Denied 173 2.52 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/luukaas
Waitlisted -> Denied 169 2.87 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/TALC
Waitlisted -> Denied 165 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/BubbaGump


You'd be better off messaging those LSN users then if you need motivation/advice on how to proceed. Most of us are going off of evidence of past cycles and known knowledge about UCLA. Those applicants with similar stats that were WL-> Accepted might have some amazing softs or story behind their GPA that you might not possess.

If you have to find external sources for motivation you're already playing yourself. It should come from within.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby cavalier1138 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:47 pm

What a shocker. The person who came asking for feedback gets angry and pretentious when that feedback isn't what they want to hear.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby Zoroaster » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:04 am

cavalier1138 wrote:What a shocker. The person who came asking for feedback gets angry and pretentious when that feedback isn't what they want to hear.

Where is the actual feedback? Oh are you talking about the armchair talk from people who provide no basis to their claims? I thought this was a mature place where people could discuss possibilities in a reasonable fashion. But all I see are immature people who wish to act like trolls. And I can link to the international poster in a similar position with posts reflecting the same vindictive cynicism and intellectual laziness that I would have thought otherwise from people preparing or attending law school.

It's unfortunate that I have keep pointing this out so many times in this thread, but it affirms the toxic nature of this place. For the few who have provided reasonable and respectable advice, and I'm including those who did tell me that I'm not going to be accepted, I again appreciate your sound advice. For those who still can't see or understand my appeal for more mature and reasoned discussions, I'm sorry, but from my experience auditing law courses at UCLA as an undergrad and being a law clerk for Judge Kelly, I'm sorry but you guys don't sound like people who will succeed at law school.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby cavalier1138 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:07 am

Zoroaster wrote:For those who still can't see or understand my appeal for more mature and reasoned discussions, I'm sorry, but from my experience auditing law courses at UCLA as an undergrad and being a law clerk for Judge Kelly, I'm sorry but you guys don't sound like people who will succeed at law school.


Pssst! You're talking about a bunch of people who are already lawyers and/or got into top schools.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby Zoroaster » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:08 am

tofuspeedstar wrote:If you have to find external sources for motivation you're already playing yourself. It should come from within.


You're absolutely right and I shouldn't be looking at this thread for sources of motivation. But it's there to help e decide whether to apply for Fall 2017 or apply for 2018, which means committing to the discipline necessary for a higher score on the next time I take the LSAT. So in way it's to provide the mind frame should I decide for the latter path over the former.

And I'll start messaging those people to see if they got accepted or not. Good advice there too.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby Zoroaster » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:09 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
Zoroaster wrote:For those who still can't see or understand my appeal for more mature and reasoned discussions, I'm sorry, but from my experience auditing law courses at UCLA as an undergrad and being a law clerk for Judge Kelly, I'm sorry but you guys don't sound like people who will succeed at law school.


Pssst! You're talking about a bunch of people who are already lawyers and/or got into top schools.

And…

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby cavalier1138 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:11 am

Zoroaster wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
Zoroaster wrote:For those who still can't see or understand my appeal for more mature and reasoned discussions, I'm sorry, but from my experience auditing law courses at UCLA as an undergrad and being a law clerk for Judge Kelly, I'm sorry but you guys don't sound like people who will succeed at law school.


Pssst! You're talking about a bunch of people who are already lawyers and/or got into top schools.

And…


And never mind, you've clearly got this in the bag. Best of luck.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby Zoroaster » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:15 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
Zoroaster wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
Zoroaster wrote:For those who still can't see or understand my appeal for more mature and reasoned discussions, I'm sorry, but from my experience auditing law courses at UCLA as an undergrad and being a law clerk for Judge Kelly, I'm sorry but you guys don't sound like people who will succeed at law school.


Pssst! You're talking about a bunch of people who are already lawyers and/or got into top schools.

And…


And never mind, you've clearly got this in the bag. Best of luck.

Yes, exactly! This is what I so wanted to hear… finally!

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:32 am

I'm confused about why you're calling people's responses cynicism or intellectual laziness when people are answering your question to the best of their ability. They're relying on your numbers because law school admissions are *heavily* numbers driven, and based on those numbers, it's unlikely you'll get in. No one here can say anything about the holistic stuff because that's generally a very small part of admissions and kind of a black box known only to the adcomm actually reviewing your app. What exactly do you find lacking in the responses people have given you?

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby Zoroaster » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:50 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:No one here can say anything about the holistic stuff because that's generally a very small part of admissions and kind of a black box known only to the adcomm actually reviewing your app.


This should be the starting point for each post. It reflects a sense of maturity of one's own knowledge. But I had to point this out after so many posts with a list of waitlisted users. Yes, I understand the anomalous situation that I am in given my GPA, I'm not stupid. But having explained my situation and arguably can be considered in a similar way as another user did when he alluded to someone having cancer, I'm just trying to get a feel for what it would take to get in.

It shouldn't have taken thirty-five posts to get to this point. If you need to argue that I'm delusional for believing that I have a chance at being considered when there's evidence of it, then you're obviously missing the point and should reconsider your approach at giving honest feedback. It's the same as someone who wishes to be kind to affirm his identify of being kind rather than being kind for the sake of the other individual. Those people aren't posting for giving honest/critical/harsh feedback that is of value to me, they're being honest/harsh for the sake of being just harsh and critical for their own sake. That is not a constructive and healthy way of giving constructive feedback because it's not based on any discernible facts and it's too strong in the face of the list that I had to provide against such claims. It lends to the toxic nature that this place has devolved into.

I guess I'm just mistaken for believing that I could get an honest take that respected the facts of the situation while reflecting the obvious elephant in the room. It's going to be a very rare case should I get in as such a splitter, but given that there have been examples of such rare cases in the past, I just threw a line out to see what it would take for me to be such a case and whether where I'm at currently can be considered as one. And that was partly on me for not explaining that out as clearly and in the level of detail that I did here.

I just feel disappointed that I had to convey this out in this manner as I didn't expect that I had to defend myself in this way.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:03 am

To be honest, I think you're overreacting. I didn't say anything especially different from what everyone else said.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby ToGetIntoTheBoysHole » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:47 am

lol I wish that this thread would just end already.

OP: Here are the facts you presented us with,

1. 170 LSAT
2. 2.45 LSAC GPA
3. 3.2 major GPA
4. spotty academic history
5. history of mental illness

Based on this information pretty much everyone here gave you the same prediction: You will not get into UCLA. It was also suggested numerous times that if you want to increase your chances, you should retake the LSAT, but even with a better score you still don't have a great shot.

Since you provided no other information about yourself, anything you've done, how many years out of UG you are, or any other softs you have, we used the relevant information that you chose to include (Factors 1, 2 & somewhat 4) to reach this conclusion. IMO Factor 3 will have a very minor impact on your admission chances and Factor 5 should not matter (although it might give some schools pause, if you do decide to disclose it).

I don't think you really have a good grasp on what being waitlisted at a law school really means/the number of people who are waitlisted/their chances of getting off the waitlist/what people do to go from WL to admit.

Please take some time and do some research on your own. I am positive that questions pertaining to being waitlisted, have been asked and answered on TLS and other areas of the internet many times before.

Showing us a list of people who were waitlisted over the last 5 years, saying "see look at all these, you are dumb if you don't think I have a shot at UCLA!" is immature and shows a lack of understanding for the law school admissions process. (FWIW many of the people on that list had much better LSATs/GPAs than you or had something else that really stood out like being a 10 year active duty marine).

I even went as far as to provide you with a screenshot directly from the LSAC page for UCLA so you could see for yourself what the admission statistics are like for people with similar stats as yourself in a recent cycle at UCLA.

(http://www.lsac.org/officialguide/2013/lsac_4837.asp)

At this point I don't know what you want people to tell you. It sucks to hear that you don't have a shot at your dream school, but sometimes you just have to face reality.

There is nothing stopping you from spending your time/money to actually send in an application UCLA. In the end nothing said in this thread will effect the outcome you receive one way or the other.
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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby sublime » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:53 am

Yea, I mean, fuck it as applying doesn't hurt if you have the money, but as another user pointed out, be weary about putting too much stock into results from 4ish cycles ago when there were less applicants. Unsurprisingly, it looked like many on your list were from that time.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby DrGlennRichie » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:20 pm

Since UCLA is your top choice, the real question is how to improve your chances.

You need to choose strategy to show that your low GPA is not necessarily indicative of your future academic success. There are ways to do so and research into extreme splitters applications would help. You need to choose strategy to address mental issues. Are they under control?

Those are the most important questions. I cannot really advise anything as I am not privy to your situation and it is all situation defendant.

Retaking LSAT might not be the best choice. If 170 is above UCLA's 75%, there will be no help from higher score. But there is always a chance that you will score lower.

Work on the convincing "Why UCLA" assay, not just "I like the surroundings".

Would you consider taking couple years off and getting a graduate degree to show that you can succeed academically? Even though GPA wouldn't count, it will help to show that your issues are gone.

Would you consider attending some other school and then attempting transfer?

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby cavalier1138 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:37 pm

DrGlennRichie wrote:Would you consider attending some other school and then attempting transfer?


This should never be considered as an option. Law school grades are unpredictable, and OP shouldn't bank on having grades that will allow for a transfer. Your suggestion about the graduate degree would be more effective at offsetting the GPA, but it may still not be enough.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby UVA2B » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:45 pm

Zoroaster wrote:
Wild Card wrote:I'm under the impression that these days top law schools are so desperate for high-scorers that they'll overlook your GPA. High GPAs are a dime a dozen, after all.

You're already well above their 75th, so it doesn't help you at all to retake the LSAT. You're better off focusing on writing a concise and persuasive GPA addendum.

Yeah, I'm torn on this, but I sincerely appreciate the feedback. I'm thinking either to commit to a rigorous discipline to prepare for two LSATs [June/Sept/Dec] LSATs, and considering whether to just risk it and apply with I have for this coming cycle.

And for the sake of honesty, here's the list that I'm viewing from MyLSN.info and why posters think I'm delusion for believing that I have a fighter's chance given that I also see numbers close to mine who were considered, albeit waitlisted:

Accepted 177 2.70 $117500 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nagster5
Accepted 176 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/badams91
Accepted 176 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Hagenomics
Accepted 174 3.00 $75000 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/amalthea
Accepted 173 2.79 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/freshmaker
Accepted 173 2.66 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Splitter2014
Accepted 173 2.52 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/The%20Unnamable
Accepted 172 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nottaxlaw
Accepted 168 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/dagwood
Accepted 168 2.65 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Alaska
Waitlisted -> Accepted 171 3.00 $48000 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/still
Waitlisted -> Accepted 171 2.97 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ChemE
Waitlisted -> Accepted 170 2.49 $51000 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/d2verge
Waitlisted 180 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/mcbrains
Waitlisted 179 2.91 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/WatchClosely
Waitlisted 177 2.63 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/trivialine
Waitlisted 176 2.86 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/egrubs
Waitlisted 176 2.60 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/FinanceLawyer
Waitlisted 175 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/glass
Waitlisted 175 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/jdb2013
Waitlisted 174 2.98 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/wtb
Waitlisted 174 2.92 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/rgsm1987
Waitlisted 174 2.92 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Brackket
Waitlisted 174 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/woeismyugpa
Waitlisted 174 2.75 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/gocards
Waitlisted 174 2.75 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/boredtodeath
Waitlisted 173 2.99 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/dontpanic
Waitlisted 173 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/GCoop
Waitlisted 173 2.59 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/SplitDecision
Waitlisted 173 2.38 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/splittersdilemma
Waitlisted 172 2.78 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cpslo12
Waitlisted 171 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nickd12095
Waitlisted 171 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/bloomlaw
Waitlisted 171 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/joshpart
Waitlisted 171 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cdoor
Waitlisted 171 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nonunique
Waitlisted 171 2.81 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ChemBoy613
Waitlisted 171 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/an0therdatap0int
Waitlisted 171 2.79 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/THE_LOCH_NESSIE
Waitlisted 171 2.70 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/splitacular
Waitlisted 170 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/kjchilds
Waitlisted 170 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Strawmankleos
Waitlisted 170 2.95 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/bunnysaber
Waitlisted 170 2.95 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cornellhopeful08
Waitlisted 170 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/tuxedocat
Waitlisted 170 2.83 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/davelinthorst
Waitlisted 170 2.83 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/norenori
Waitlisted 170 2.72 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/AlwaysSplit8s
Waitlisted 169 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/applicant12345
Waitlisted 169 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/jcpix09
Waitlisted 169 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nuttah
Waitlisted 169 2.69 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/illiac
Waitlisted 168 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/goodnews
Waitlisted 168 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ihope
Waitlisted 168 2.97 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/weaksplit
Waitlisted 168 2.91 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/hanestagless
Waitlisted 168 2.90 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/calibby
Waitlisted 168 2.83 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Ubermaus
Waitlisted 167 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/workingout
Waitlisted 167 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/GreenMilkTea
Waitlisted 167 2.95 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Lakers82and0
Waitlisted 167 2.85 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/about_time
Waitlisted 167 2.56 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/johnnyrocket45
Waitlisted 166 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/nanonano
Waitlisted -> Denied 176 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CSEMajor
Waitlisted -> Denied 176 2.80 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/whimsical
Waitlisted -> Denied 173 2.52 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/luukaas
Waitlisted -> Denied 169 2.87 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/TALC
Waitlisted -> Denied 165 3.00 $0 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/BubbaGump


I need to suspend disbelief for a bit that you took a wonderful, objective resource that gives statistical likelihoods of admissions results and made it a machine of anecdotes. That takes some effort.

As tofu mentioned, if you want to figure out how these random data points do anything beyond confirm that there may be exceptions to statistical rules, go ahead and ask them directly if/when they got off those waitlists. In the meantime, is it that uncomfortable to assume those users never got off the waitlist, or alternatively, do you find that much comfort in that unknown?

People have rightly told you you'd be a statistic anomaly if you got into UCLA. If you can manage it, congrats. But all available data suggests you won't. If you don't believe the available data, find reason to back it up beyond a bunch of random waitlists that MAY have turned into acceptances, even though you have not verified this in the least.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby AJ1010 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:39 pm

Does anyone have any knowledge on how OP's mental health issues will be viewed? I'm honestly unsure if full disclosure of such issues will help or hurt their cause.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby ToGetIntoTheBoysHole » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:47 pm

AJ1010 wrote:Does anyone have any knowledge on how OP's mental health issues will be viewed? I'm honestly unsure if full disclosure of such issues will help or hurt their cause.


If I was in his situation I would try not to disclose anything more than I absolutely had to. Over the years, most law schools have had to deal with a student who had mental health issues that prevented them from doing well or caused some other type of problem for the school. While I do not think it is fair, I think that these past examples would make a law school hesitant to take a chance on someone who has a history of struggling with these types of issues, especially since they are already taking a risk given OPs low GPA.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby DrGlennRichie » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:01 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
DrGlennRichie wrote:Would you consider attending some other school and then attempting transfer?


This should never be considered as an option. Law school grades are unpredictable, and OP shouldn't bank on having grades that will allow for a transfer. Your suggestion about the graduate degree would be more effective at offsetting the GPA, but it may still not be enough.



Credited. I should have put this info about transfer in my suggestion. Indeed, it is a risky road. I only suggested that route assuming that author is UCLA or bust and can waste one year and tuition money. But I should have highlighted transfer risks.

Appreciate this clarification.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby laqueredup » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:42 pm

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby lawpotato » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:57 pm

Would it be possible for you to go the the registrars office at your school and get some retroactive withdrawals that could help erase some of the bad grades you had during your difficult times? I had a health situation that really made focusing on school difficult and it tanked a quarter's worth of my grades. After bombarding my registrars for months and months with doctors notes, etc they removed some of my bad grades and my GPA literally went from a 3.0 back up to a 3.5 and now I have a 3.6. I think that could be a good option for you if you haven't already pursued it since your LSAT score is already very good.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby waldorf » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:06 pm

Your GPA is SO atrocious that if you have the money to, I wonder if it would be worth it to get a minor from a community college or something to at least up it to a 2.7/2.8? Or at least wait a few years to apply so that your WE somewhat overshadows your GPA/your GPA is less reflective of who you are right now.

I mean, a 2.45 is bad. Really bad. I won't sugarcoat it for you. You aren't breaking the T20 unless you can get a 175+. Retake, wait a few years, or try to up your gpa. Preferably all of the above.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby MichiganHoosier » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:14 pm

bwaldorf wrote:Your GPA is SO atrocious that if you have the money to, I wonder if it would be worth it to get a minor from a community college or something to at least up it to a 2.7/2.8?


That's not a thing. Once you have your first undergraduate degree, no other classes you take following that will count towards your LSAC GPA. Work experience is the only thing that could potentially mitigate the low GPA.

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Re: 2.45 GPA / 170 LSAT Chances @ UCLA?

Postby waldorf » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:56 pm

MichiganHoosier wrote:
bwaldorf wrote:Your GPA is SO atrocious that if you have the money to, I wonder if it would be worth it to get a minor from a community college or something to at least up it to a 2.7/2.8?


That's not a thing. Once you have your first undergraduate degree, no other classes you take following that will count towards your LSAC GPA. Work experience is the only thing that could potentially mitigate the low GPA.


My bad. I thought you could get multiple undergrad degrees and it was only graduate degrees that didn't count.

Ignore that suggestion, then.




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