3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

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3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby sean2win » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:44 pm

Hi, I really want to get into the T14. Just not sure how much my softs make up for my mediocre UGPA and LSAT. I will apply in the 2016 cycle.

UGPA: 3.59 from West Point (do service academies get a boost here?)
LSAT: 167 on first take, this is about what I was scoring on my PTs.

Softs: I hold an MSc in Latin American Studies from Oxford University in the UK (no GPA attached to the masters). I earned this on a one year Rotary foundation scholarship immediately following graduation from West Point. For WE I'm currently a lieutenant in the Army learning to fly helicopters. No combat deployments. When I apply to law school I'll have about three years on active duty.

If you're curious, I'll apply for the Army's Funded Legal Education Program this November to become a JAG after law school.

Thanks for your time!

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby ILoveYou » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:55 pm

With those stats and softs, you're likely in at several of the lower t14. I say it's definitely doable at Northwestern, Michigan, etc. FWIW, I got into NU (don't know about $ yet) this cycle with similar stats (though my UGPA was higher) and much less impressive softs.

Thanks for your service and good luck!

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby sean2win » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:59 pm

Thanks for the response. Any chance at Stanford or Columbia or would I be wasting my time and money?

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby NonTradLawHopeful » Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:18 pm

Do you know what the yearly tuition cap is for FLEP right now? That might limit your options too, depending on how much merit aid you receive at a school.

ETA: This, from AR 27-1: (1) Apply to and be accepted by an ABA-accredited law school in the United States. Selectees will normally attend
an institution in their State of legal residency
or attend an institution that will grant in-state tuition rates to out-of-State
students. This is to ensure quality of education at the lowest possible cost (See AR 621–1, para 3–4(f), 15 OCT 85
UPDATE).
(2) Must pay all expenses incurred by applying to a law school. Any and all requests for reimbursement (except for
tuition and fees) will be reimbursed up to a maximum of $300.00. (See AR 621–1.)
b. TJAG will determine which law schools selectees will attend. TJAG may direct that selectees apply to additional
schools.

What is your home of residence? Maybe there are former FLEPs on here who can provide more insight, but it seems to limit your options a little.

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby twenty » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:59 pm

I'm not certain I see the benefit to going to a T14 school if you're doing FLEP. What do you see yourself doing after you're done with JAG?

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby sean2win » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:12 pm

FLEP tuition cap for this year was $42,000, up from $35,000 last year. I have already talked with people from FLEP and they encouraged me to aim high. They say the vast majority of FLEP candidates end up going to their number one choice because most top schools are willing to meet the tuition cap. My home state is Michigan and I will apply there.

Twenty, why wouldn't I want to attend a T14 school if doing FLEP? My plans after JAG are to practice law.

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby NonTradLawHopeful » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:14 pm

Wow! That is a huge cap. Well than by all means aim high. Good luck! Do you know how competitive FLEP is compared to other routes to law school?

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby ILoveYou » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:24 pm

sean2win wrote:Thanks for the response. Any chance at Stanford or Columbia or would I be wasting my time and money?



Eh, seems pretty slim to me, but if those are the schools you most want to attend, I say apply. You never know what the pool will look like next cycle, and maybe your softs could give you a boost. Since money isn't an issue, you're not worried about scholly or aid offers, and it wouldn't be the craziest thing ever for Columbia to take someone with a 167 (though assuming you aren't a URM, it's definitely a long shot) at sticker.

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby twenty » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:45 pm

Twenty, why wouldn't I want to attend a T14 school if doing FLEP? My plans after JAG are to practice law.


No reason, if you get in, you should probably go. I would just be concerned about not getting FLEP at all if all your top (only?) choices are ones FLEP isn't willing to fund.

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby Broncos15 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:44 pm

I say OP has a better chance at Colombia than Stanford ( with a retake). CA schools are extremely picky about GPA compared to LSAT.


Although if anyone has any further info please add...( since military is one of the few softs that can make a idfference it could mitigate the GPA, but I'm not sure if enough to apply to Stanford)

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby bjsesq » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:46 pm

NU 1Ls go through indoc and are called plebs through year 1, so keep that in mind.

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby sean2win » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:35 pm

Thank you all for your input and Twenty I see your point now about T14 clashing with FLEP. I will apply to a couple state schools in my safe range to keep the FLEP committee happy. Nobody has mentioned the Masters from Oxford as being a strong soft though - I thought this would be what can set me above other applicants more so than simply being military.

Also when it comes to military, anyone know if preference is given to those with combat deployments? I'm currently itching to start law school as soon as possible but could wait a couple years and try to deploy. I want to deploy, would just rather be in law school.

And yes I 'should' retake the LSAT but my life is about to be really busy and I'm unlikely to get the chance to study enough to improve my score.

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby TheSpanishMain » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:42 pm

I don't know about admissions committees, but the army certainly favors those with combat deployments. If you're interested in a military career, go get your combat patch while you can

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby bjsesq » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:45 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:I don't know about admissions committees, but the army certainly favors those with combat deployments. If you're interested in a military career, go get your combat patch while you can

And if you're an officer, ENJOY YOUR GUARANTEED BRONZE STAR! grumble, fucking shitbags

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Re: 3.59 / 167 / Masters Degree / military officer

Postby NonTradLawHopeful » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:03 am

TheSpanishMain wrote:I don't know about admissions committees, but the army certainly favors those with combat deployments. If you're interested in a military career, go get your combat patch while you can


Agree 100% with that if you know of an upcoming deployment for yours or a sister unit you can jump on. You don't want to be the lone MAJ 10 years from now without it in your brigade.




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