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Re: URM 4.0 GPA 161 lsat

Postby sesto elemento » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:40 pm

You shouldn't consider retaking. You have to retake.
An AA with your GPA should only go to law school if its HYS or a T-13 for free.

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Re: URM 4.0 GPA 161 lsat

Postby Skool » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:42 pm

Apply everywhere, immediately. There have already been 3.9 159 AA accepted to UVA and lower this year. Unless you think you'll be ready by February, evaluate retaking in March after youve seen some results/fin aid offers.

Edit: I understand the above poster's point, but I don't think much is lost (beyond money) in sending out apps and see what comes back. Run mylsn.info for yourself. You might be surprised by the Harvard numbers.

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Re: URM 4.0 GPA 161 lsat

Postby jk148706 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:35 am

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Re: URM 4.0 GPA 161 lsat

Postby sesto elemento » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:54 am

rfhassan wrote:I think I'm pretty convinced on retaking and applying earlier in the cycle
How would HYS take a retake if I make it up to a 165?
I know that getting that or even a 167 is extremely doable, considering that I did pretty good on all the sections of the lsat but choked on RC which is what led to my 161 score


With a 165 H is a lock SY and possible.
With a 167-169 then you're a strong candidate for a full ride at multiple T-13, maybe Butler, Ruby.
Don't sell yourself short.

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Re: URM 4.0 GPA 161 lsat

Postby PeanutsNJam » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:58 am

Yeah seriously 165-169 is very easy just get that and you're in at HYS, or money at CCN. Why pass that up.

You already have a 180 GPA and are a URM, don't waste that.

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Re: URM 4.0 GPA 161 lsat

Postby Skool » Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:38 am

Hi everyone,

I want to press this point because TLS is an important resource for URMs and I think transparent conversations about what is the case are important.

The original question was "What schools do you think I should be applying to?" as a AA with a 160-162 and a 3.8-4.0 and unique softs (which truly do matter when you're at the margins). Here's why the answer is "every school"

Perhaps a retake is still appropriate, but significant T-10 money and S/H are very possible with the facts as they stand now.

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Obviously, things are better if you retake for a 163-167, but you're not exactly in no mans land with your current score:

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Do what you will, OP. You have a non-negligible chance at Stanford and Harvard (notice that even in retaking, how one gets into Yale is a mystery). If Harvard and Stanford are goals, I don't understand why you wouldn't apply tomorrow.

I'm actually a little concerned that the whole URM retake for a 165 thing is becoming slightly dogmatic. It definitely needs to be tailored to OPS goals (which are unclear here) and GPA. There are probably less than a hundred African Americans with a 160+ and 3.7+ in the entire country and Harvard takes 50 or so African Americans a year. They may make room for OP, if she asks nicely. Or maybe she prefers to increase her chances at 10-20k more at Columbia. *shrug*

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Re: URM 4.0 GPA 161 lsat

Postby twenty » Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:55 am

I can't see many places where the answer for reverse splitters isn't retake, including this one. Yeah, it's great that OP has a solid chance at H/S, but you're also writing off "a chance of 10k-20k at Columbia" as if you accidentally left a 10 dollar tip instead of a 5 dollar one. For 100 dollars and having to wake up at 6:00AM, a minor increase in an LSAT score will probably do exactly that, but a larger increase here is entirely possible as well.

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Re: URM 4.0 GPA 161 lsat

Postby Skool » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:00 am

I'm not writing off the money, we just don't know if she wants it. There are a ton of possible situations in which personal or professional reasons make applying to law school this cycle and going to Stanford and Harvard more sensible. I make no judgment. The point is to put the information in front of her and let her decide what's best.

Her question was where should I apply, which implies there are some places she shouldn't or is unlikely to be accepted at. The answer is, with her score, she should apply everywhere and I tried to give the reasons/context for why. The answers above talk about becoming a "lock" for HYS by retaking. I don't think they properly consider her odds as they stand now.

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Re: URM 4.0 GPA 161 lsat

Postby Clearly » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:44 am

Im with him^ This is a scenario where a retake might be worth it, but it isn't a "you need to retake" situation. Get apps out asap, and see what happens, and consider trying to maximize your potential because you think you can do better, but I'd predict a happy cycle either way.




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