Chances for Full Ride at Seton Hall
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:49 pm
.
Law School Discussion Forums
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=222395
Retake.DaRascal wrote:I had a full ride last year with a 3.61/161 and I'm a URM (PR) but I also applied in early November last year and went complete in November. This year I retook the December LSAT and scored lower so my file still isn't complete and my GPA dropped to 3.49 in my senior year of college last year.
Do I have a good chance to get a full ride again even with my app not going complete till January because the LSAT median at SH dropped or did I screw myself over?
Why not? Retaking sucks, but you're leaving money, job prospects, and career earning potential on the table by not doing itDaRascal wrote:Nah that ain't me.
So is almost every other kid in your potentially stacked section. You know the right thing to do.DaRascal wrote:guano wrote:How bad are the stips?
Seton Hall is rumored to section stack, so there's a good chance you'll lose that scholly
Dude, how do you figure? If I go to SH, I'm gonna work like a beast!
They (allegedly) put all scholarship kids in the same section, so they're all competing with each other. Instead of competing with a reasonable representation of the entering class, you're basically being pitted against the other smart, hard working, scholarship kids.DaRascal wrote:guano wrote:How bad are the stips?
Seton Hall is rumored to section stack, so there's a good chance you'll lose that scholly
Dude, how do you figure? If I go to SH, I'm gonna work like a beast!
Good thing nobody else will, MIRITE?DaRascal wrote:guano wrote:How bad are the stips?
Seton Hall is rumored to section stack, so there's a good chance you'll lose that scholly
Dude, how do you figure? If I go to SH, I'm gonna work like a beast!
Personally, I'd argue for a BoW ban and i'm not usually a fan.Clearly wrote:I can't wait till you go to law school and stop posting.
What difference will that make, other than to volunteer for the downward part of a tie breaker?DaRascal wrote:Well, guano, if there is section stacking and I go to SH you better believe I'm going to tell all of my professors about it on the first day of classes.
I would apply to some peer schools, higher ranked schools and TTTs in order to get some negotiating done to see if you can drop those stipsguano wrote:What difference will that make, other than to volunteer for the downward part of a tie breaker?DaRascal wrote:Well, guano, if there is section stacking and I go to SH you better believe I'm going to tell all of my professors about it on the first day of classes.
I would apply to some peer schools, higher ranked schools and TTTs in order to get some negotiating done to see if you can drop those stipsguano wrote:What difference will that make, other than to volunteer for the downward part of a tie breaker?DaRascal wrote:Well, guano, if there is section stacking and I go to SH you better believe I'm going to tell all of my professors about it on the first day of classes.
I would apply to some peer schools, higher ranked schools and TTTs in order to get some negotiating done to see if you can drop those stipsguano wrote:What difference will that make, other than to volunteer for the downward part of a tie breaker?DaRascal wrote:Well, guano, if there is section stacking and I go to SH you better believe I'm going to tell all of my professors about it on the first day of classes.
The retention rate is 70%.Creditisgood wrote:Here are Seton Hall scholarship retention numbers: around 30pct
% Reduced or Eliminated
2009:31% 2010:30% 2011:36% 2012:29%
Quite high in my opinion and very consistent.
This is the first time I hear of this tactic. Is it a rumor? Can a SHLS graduate confirm? Only at Seton Hall? Is it a common practice for LS ?They (allegedly) put all scholarship kids in the same section, so they're all competing with each other. Instead of competing with a reasonable representation of the entering class, you're basically being pitted against the other smart, hard working, scholarship kids.
It doesn't happen at the top end of the law school spectrum, as better schools tend not to have any stips. Crappier schools tend to have worse stips, and while I don't think it is common practice, there are a number of schools rumored to employ this tactic. I remember seeing a list a few years ago of about 10-20 schools alleged to do this, and Seton Hall was on that list. I've also seen the allegation somewhere else.Creditisgood wrote:This is the first time I hear of this tactic. Is it a rumor? Can a SHLS graduate confirm? Only at Seton Hall? Is it a common practice for LS ?They (allegedly) put all scholarship kids in the same section, so they're all competing with each other. Instead of competing with a reasonable representation of the entering class, you're basically being pitted against the other smart, hard working, scholarship kids.
You think it is reasonable for a school to promise full rides knowing that 30% of the students will lose them? Most of those students only went to the school because of the scholarship. Now they are looking at dropping out or borrowing six figures of debt to continue school . Do you think that is what they expected when they got a full- ride? No, they all expected someone else would lose the scholarship but they would be fine.Creditisgood wrote:Here are Seton Hall scholarship retention numbers: around 70pct
% Reduced or Eliminated
2009:31% 2010:30% 2011:36% 2012:29%
Quite high in my opinion and very consistent.
I completely agree with you. Schools should be required to report how many students lose their scholarships.NYstate wrote:You think it is reasonable for a school to promise full rides knowing that 30% of the students will lose them? Most of those students only went to the school because of the scholarship. Now they are looking at dropping out or borrowing six figures of debt to continue school . Do you think that is what they expected when they got a full- ride? No, they all expected someone else would lose the scholarship but they would be fine.Creditisgood wrote:Here are Seton Hall scholarship retention numbers: around 70pct
% Reduced or Eliminated
2009:31% 2010:30% 2011:36% 2012:29%
Quite high in my opinion and very consistent.
There is absolutely nothing acceptable about a school giving scholarships knowing that 30% will lose it and will most likely turn into full tuition paying students. Putting all the scholarship kids together ensures that the schools projections will be accurate.
I feel that these stips are an unethical practice designed to entice students to attend on false expectations.
As DaRascal has already made abundantly clear, this won't make a significant differenceriverwater wrote:I completely agree with you. Schools should be required to report how many students lose their scholarships.NYstate wrote:I feel that these stips are an unethical practice designed to entice students to attend on false expectations.