162/166 & 3.97

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omzster67
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162/166 & 3.97

Postby omzster67 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:14 pm

Retook the LSAT in October, got a 166 after scoring 169-173 on 10 straight PT's in the weeks leading up to the exam.

I'm wondering, what T-14 schools will I have a legitimate chance of getting into considering the drop in applicants? I'd love for Michigan or Berkeley but it seems like UCLA is right in my range as of now. My undergraduate institution was a normal state school, so not one of the highest ranked schools around. Not sure if that will impact how my GPA is viewed.

I'm debating whether to take the December test and then wait to submit my apps until January. I don't have much time to study up again, and I haven't looked at anything LSAT related since test day. If I don't take the test again in December, I'll be submitting my apps by Thursday.

Any advice?

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Re: 162/166 & 3.97

Postby Ti Malice » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:39 pm

You're looking at a lot of waitlists. You're a virtual lock to UVA with an ED app. Not a bad shot at Berkeley, but notice that no one in the Berkeley sample was WL'd; they deny outright a much higher proportion of applicants than the rest of the non-YHS T14. This range overstates your chances at Chicago, because almost everyone accepted had a 167.

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How much studying have you done in total? Did you only complete 10 PTs between your 162 and your 166? What all have you done aside from taking PTs?

Taking the test in December is a waste at this point. What you should really do is hold off until June (or February) and apply next fall. If you're hitting 173s in practice, you should dedicate yourself to mastering this test and getting a score that won't waste your YHS-worthy GPA. You're not that far away from being able to decide between YHS (definitely H) and a full ride somewhere in the T14. If you apply this year, you're looking at ~$300K of debt at the start of repayment.

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Re: 162/166 & 3.97

Postby omzster67 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:47 pm

Well sadly I just noticed I missed the deadline to even retake in December. The thought of retaking didn't even cross my mind until late last week.

Anyways, what's the general timeline for waitlists? I'm thinking if I don't get into many of these schools by May I could then just register for June and retake and reapply for the next cycle?

I realized I somewhat screwed myself here, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: 162/166 & 3.97

Postby omzster67 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:50 pm

Ti malice,

I did quite a bit of studying, about 2.5-3 months worth. I completed 4 books did a lot of online powerscore problem sets and the in the 2.5 weeks leading up to the test I did a PT on a daily basis. I pretty much exhausted all my materials.

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Re: 162/166 & 3.97

Postby swords.for.48K » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:55 pm

I applied 165/3.9 to UMich this cycle and got admitted within 12 days of going complete. Definitely not maximizing chances for schollys at the mid-160 LSAT range, but, depending on your view regarding law school debt, it might be worth a shot to throw in those apps.

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Re: 162/166 & 3.97

Postby goldenflash19 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:55 pm

You really should wait a cycle and retake. I was in your same shoes last year at 167/4, bit the bullet and sat out, and got a 174 on the retake. It sucked at the time, but was worth it 100X over.

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Re: 162/166 & 3.97

Postby Ti Malice » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:31 pm

omzster67 wrote:Ti malice,

I did quite a bit of studying, about 2.5-3 months worth. I completed 4 books did a lot of online powerscore problem sets and the in the 2.5 weeks leading up to the test I did a PT on a daily basis. I pretty much exhausted all my materials.


As someone who has taught LSAT courses, I assure you that you haven't squeezed all of the value out of the questions, even if you've done every single one. And if you did all 7,000+ questions in that period of time, then you were doing them too fast. And if you were taking PTs without doing several hours of review afterward, then you weren't getting nearly what you could have out of the tests.

You may lose the ability to accurately gauge your current scoring level if you've run out of fresh PTs, but you haven't exhausted your possibilities for further gains.

If you were scoring in the 170s on PTs, you owe it to yourself to work on your remaining weaknesses and take the test for the third time. With just five more points, you'll have some pretty terrific options:

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Re: 162/166 & 3.97

Postby Noodlebrain » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:11 am

If Malice isn't convincing enough, look at the data for people from just last cycle with LSATs only 4-6 points higher than yours. Assume that this cycle and next will be even better.

http://mylsn.info/fhmp4a




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