Suggestions? 3.84/165

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Generals14
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Suggestions? 3.84/165

Postby Generals14 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:31 am

Hello all,

I'm new to this, but my curiosity has finally gotten the better of me. I would love some feedback or suggestions about where and when to apply. I have not taken the LSAT, but my average practice score is 165. I take it next month. I am Hispanic but not an urm

I completed ug in 2012 with a 3.84 GPA and a ba in political science. While there, I was on the exec board of two organizations. I studied abroad. I did research on the Cuban economy. And, I conpleted a paid summer internship with the department of state in DC.

I joined Teach for America, and I am currently completing my second commitment year. I have taught AP US History, AP Macroeconomics, AP US Gov, Economics and US Gov. I was also a regional institute operations specialist. I coach wrestling. Idk if this is worth mentioning, but my students and I recently earned TFA a $5,000 donation from a very prestigious multinational bank.

I wanted to give you as much information as possible. Sorry for being verbose. Thanks for the help!

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Re: Suggestions? 3.84/165

Postby jbagelboy » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:30 am

Sounds like pretty solid package of softs, potential for a well-toned application. If you can get those PTs into the 170s and hit 170 in December, you'll be in a great position for CCN. If you score under 168, I recommend retaking in June and applying fall 2014.

Come back with an LSAT score and we'll have a better idea. Remember you can submit your apps as soon as they are ready and the schools will update with the scores in January.

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Re: Suggestions? 3.84/165

Postby Generals14 » Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:46 am

Thanks for all the advice! In the end, my score was exactly what I thought it would be -- 165. I understand that it would be wise to retake, but it just isn't an option for me. I wouldn't feel right replacing the time I should be planning for my students with another month of test prep. This will be my last year teaching so I want to end strong with them. I also don't have anything to fall back on while I wait for the next cycle. But, I am really optimistic about my softs, essays, and letters.

I have applied to most of the T-14, UCLA, GW, Vandy, ASU, Miami, and Florida. So now we wait...

Just wanted to give you an update and show you my appreciation!

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Re: Suggestions? 3.84/165

Postby phillywc » Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:57 am

I think you are making a mistake but I wish you luck.

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Re: Suggestions? 3.84/165

Postby teampeeta » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:46 am

Generals14 wrote:Thanks for all the advice! In the end, my score was exactly what I thought it would be -- 165. I understand that it would be wise to retake, but it just isn't an option for me. I wouldn't feel right replacing the time I should be planning for my students with another month of test prep. This will be my last year teaching so I want to end strong with them. I also don't have anything to fall back on while I wait for the next cycle. But, I am really optimistic about my softs, essays, and letters.

I have applied to most of the T-14, UCLA, GW, Vandy, ASU, Miami, and Florida. So now we wait...

Just wanted to give you an update and show you my appreciation!


Your GPA is really solid and you have TFA experience which is a good soft for law school admissions. Even if you only raise your LSAT 4 points, it would make a world of difference at a lot of the T14. Is there really no way you could retake?

phillywc wrote:I think you are making a mistake but I wish you luck.


Seconded.

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Re: Suggestions? 3.84/165

Postby guano » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:53 am

phillywc wrote:you are making a mistake

There's no shortage of law students who seriously regret not retaking when they had the opportunity. Your GPA is good, your softs a nice package, don't let that LSAT weigh you down.

According to LSAC, the deviation is +-3. Without much more effort, on a good day, you could score a 168, which would give you a shot at the T6, and probably money at the lower T14.

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Re: Suggestions? 3.84/165

Postby BigZuck » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:58 am

Retake

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Re: Suggestions? 3.84/165

Postby TooOld4This » Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:03 pm

Some tough love here in hopes you might consider not making a mistake you will likely regret the rest of your life.

Generals14 wrote:I wouldn't feel right replacing the time I should be planning for my students with another month of test prep. This will be my last year teaching so I want to end strong with them.

Get over yourself. Seriously. Playing martyr here is just an excuse to avoid making a decision you don't like. First, moving from 165 to 170 will probably take more than 1 month, so you should be sitting out a cycle (see below). Second, if you really think your students can't live without you being 100% on top of your game for a month (hint, as a parent I can assure you they can), then suck it up and cut something else out of your life and put in the hours.

But, really, you should just sit out this cycle.

Generals14 wrote:I also don't have anything to fall back on while I wait for the next cycle.


Wait tables, get seasonal jobs, substitute teach. Scrape together just enough to live for the next year. It is that important. With your GPA and a few more points on your LSAT you are looking at full tuition scholarships at schools with good employment outcomes.

By not getting your LSAT up, you are likely costing yourself $100,000 or more immediately. Add to that the additional stress throughout law school that you won't be able to get the job you want (because you took money at a school where only a small percent of people actually get good jobs) or one that will actually allow you to pay your loans (because you took out loans to go to a top school).

If you do take money at a lower ranked school, you may also be giving up future earnings as well. Top 30% job opportunities at ASU look very different from top 30% job opportunities at a T14.

Seriously, a few more points on your LSAT will save you six figures now, reduce you stress during law school (which can actually end up improving your grades), and can make it possible for you to have a resume you can lean on, rather than have one you have to over come.

Suck it up and make the tough decision now, rather than pay for making the easy one for possibly the rest of your career.

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Re: Suggestions? 3.84/165

Postby beepboopbeep » Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:30 pm

TooOld4This wrote:First, moving from 165 to 170 will probably take more than 1 month, so you should be sitting out a cycle (see below). Second, if you really think your students can't live without you being 100% on top of your game for a month (hint, as a parent I can assure you they can), then suck it up and cut something else out of your life and put in the hours.

But, really, you should just sit out this cycle.


Not sure I agree on the top point - 170+ can definitely be attained with a couple hours of PTing a night - but at this point in the cycle, DEFINITELY sit out. Don't waste that sparkling gpa that could get you into HYS with the right LSAT. One year of crap jobs is a tiny price to pay for a huge difference in career outcomes.




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