3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, NA URM. Chances at HYS?

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3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, NA URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby Bluebird17 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:21 pm

Should I retake and apply in December?
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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby Bluebird17 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:49 pm

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks :)

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby Bluebird17 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:28 am

Anybody?

I know LSN is an excellent resource, but there is a dearth of information for people in my position. Thanks, and I promise this is the last self-bump.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby daryldixon » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:31 am

Do you have a legit tribal affiliation or tribal ID card #? In this case it will really matter.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby Bluebird17 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:34 am

daryldixon wrote:Do you have a legit tribal affiliation or tribal ID card #? In this case it will really matter.


Thanks for the reply! Yes, I'm an enrolled member of my tribe.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby daryldixon » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:43 am

Bluebird17 wrote:
daryldixon wrote:Do you have a legit tribal affiliation or tribal ID card #? In this case it will really matter.


Thanks for the reply! Yes, I'm an enrolled member of my tribe.

Okay cool. It is likely a 50/50 chance then depending on your app. Write a legit diversity statement and you have a pretty good shot. The final outcome will depend a lot on the other NAs that apply in your cycle. A legit NA (i.e. someone with a tribal ID#) with a good DS and some luck has been known to get as much of a bump as an AA male. But the NA bump is much less consistent than an AA bump. If you read the diversity forum you can read threads about people hypothesizing why the bump is inconsistent but no one is really sure. I think it is because top schools use a kind of quota system. Since all the top students apply to those schools your results may depend on who else in your ethnic category applies in your cycle.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby johnfootball » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:05 am

Bluebird17 wrote:Title pretty much says it all. What are my chances at HLS right now? My WE is public service oriented and I am a lifelong member of my tribe. Thank you in advance for taking the time to help me out.


Barely a sliver of a chance. Might get money at lower t-14 though. Retake if you really want H.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby ct352 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:38 am

Retake.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby juristhedoctor » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:12 pm

Retake or don't go.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby hephaestus » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:14 pm

juristhedoctor wrote:Retake or don't go.

I don't know if it's this extreme since OP is NA. As it stands I think OP could get multiple lower T14. But OP should retake to get a shot at H.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby Bluebird17 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:30 pm

Thank you all for the responses! Using twentypercentmore's method, I should have the third or fourth (the number came out as 3.6) highest NA LSAT for this cycle, statistically speaking. Should I apply now or retake and apply in December?

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby hephaestus » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:32 pm

Bluebird17 wrote:Thank you all for the responses! Using twentypercentmore's method, I should have the third or fourth (the number came out as 3.6) highest NA LSAT for this cycle, statistically speaking. Should I apply now or retake and apply in December?

Whether you retake or not should be decided by how much you want H.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Retake for H?

Postby Bluebird17 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:27 am

ImNoScar wrote:
Bluebird17 wrote:Thank you all for the responses! Using twentypercentmore's method, I should have the third or fourth (the number came out as 3.6) highest NA LSAT for this cycle, statistically speaking. Should I apply now or retake and apply in December?

Whether you retake or not should be decided by how much you want H.


This is tough but H is everything I want in life (almost).
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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at T-14?

Postby Bluebird17 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:42 am

Also, do I have a chance at scholarship money at anywhere worth attending?

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at T-14?

Postby Redfactor » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:37 am

yes will most likely get money.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at T-14?

Postby Bluebird17 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:13 am

Redfactor wrote:yes will most likely get money.


Thanks for the reply!

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby Nova » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:38 am

Retake if you can do better. You'll have a great cycle regardless tho. I bet youll get good money at some lower T14. Also really good money at 15 down. Idk about ysh. I would guess you have an outside shot.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby kwais » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:13 am

I bet you get one of YHS.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby Bluebird17 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:37 pm

Thanks for all the helpful replies ITT :)

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby johnfootball » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:44 am

kwais wrote:I bet you get one of YHS.


Really? OP is below both 25ths. What makes you think this?

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby Nova » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:14 am

johnfootball wrote:
kwais wrote:I bet you get one of YHS.


Really? OP is below both 25ths. What makes you think this?

3.5/168/URM

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby johnfootball » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:04 am

Nova wrote:
johnfootball wrote:
kwais wrote:I bet you get one of YHS.


Really? OP is below both 25ths. What makes you think this?

3.5/168/URM


I mean, there's a slight chance, but I just don't see it happening. I think OP is a couple points short on the LSAT. A 170+ and I'd be inclined to agree with you.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby jordan15 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:50 pm

johnfootball wrote:
Nova wrote:
johnfootball wrote:
kwais wrote:I bet you get one of YHS.


Really? OP is below both 25ths. What makes you think this?

3.5/168/URM


I mean, there's a slight chance, but I just don't see it happening. I think OP is a couple points short on the LSAT. A 170+ and I'd be inclined to agree with you.


NAs are super rare and even though OP is technically below both 25ths, he's not really that far away. Most likely is in the top 10 (if not top 5) NA applicants this cycle.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby Void » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:55 pm

Is AA male really a bigger URM boost than NA? I'm surprised to hear this.

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Re: 3.5 GPA, 168 LSAT, Native American URM. Chances at HYS?

Postby jordan15 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:05 pm

Void wrote:Is AA male really a bigger URM boost than NA? I'm surprised to hear this.


There's not nearly enough data to know. It seems like URMs are the one situation where softs (specifically, a compelling DS and URM related activities) make a big difference. With such a limited sample size for NAs it's hard to tell if an applicant got a smaller boost than the average AA applicant because they wrote a terrible DS (or no DS at all) or because adcoms just don't give as much as a bump.




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