Non Trad for H?

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby bouleversement » Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:30 pm

wiz wrote:
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MyNameIsFlynn! wrote:Harvard's floor is 3.5


Yesterday perhaps. Tomorrow, who can really say?


Harvard's floor was a 3.7 yesterday. It's somewhere in the 3.5 to 3.6 range today. It won't be 2.7 tomorrow.


We really don't know what Harvard's floor is since they do not release a full GPA spread. I know Yale has gone below 3.50. I feel confident in guessing Harvard as well.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby wiz » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:25 pm

bouleversement wrote:
wiz wrote:
bouleversement wrote:
MyNameIsFlynn! wrote:Harvard's floor is 3.5


Yesterday perhaps. Tomorrow, who can really say?


Harvard's floor was a 3.7 yesterday. It's somewhere in the 3.5 to 3.6 range today. It won't be 2.7 tomorrow.


We really don't know what Harvard's floor is since they do not release a full GPA spread. I know Yale has gone below 3.50. I feel confident in guessing Harvard as well.


Yeah, Yale's lowest accepted GPA was a 3.13. I wouldn't call that their floor though. It's a little crazy to say Y has a floor at or below 3.50. For a vanilla applicant who didn't cure cancer or win gold at the Olympics, they won't be dipping that low anytime soon.

From law school numbers, we can say Harvard had a GPA floor of around 3.7 in the past and perhaps has a floor of 3.5 or 3.6 right now.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:58 pm

Three years ago Yale went as low as 3.41, two years ago it was 3.61, last year it was 3.13.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby bouleversement » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:38 pm

wiz wrote:
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We really don't know what Harvard's floor is since they do not release a full GPA spread. I know Yale has gone below 3.50. I feel confident in guessing Harvard as well.


Yeah, Yale's lowest accepted GPA was a 3.13. I wouldn't call that their floor though. It's a little crazy to say Y has a floor at or below 3.50. For a vanilla applicant who didn't cure cancer or win gold at the Olympics, they won't be dipping that low anytime soon.

From law school numbers, we can say Harvard had a GPA floor of around 3.7 in the past and perhaps has a floor of 3.5 or 3.6 right now.


LSN skews toward the more-qualified applicants.

We know Yale's lowest outlier. We do not know how many, if any, people are between that data point and what one would traditionally define as a "floor" à la LSN. If anything, Yale has less flexibility than Harvard in accepting such GPAs given the disparity in class size.

I do not find it such a stretch to envision 1-3 acceptances, maybe more in a given year (constrained by absolute numbers), in the 178-180/3.4-3.5 range at HLS.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby wiz » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:56 pm

bouleversement wrote:
wiz wrote:
bouleversement wrote:
We really don't know what Harvard's floor is since they do not release a full GPA spread. I know Yale has gone below 3.50. I feel confident in guessing Harvard as well.


Yeah, Yale's lowest accepted GPA was a 3.13. I wouldn't call that their floor though. It's a little crazy to say Y has a floor at or below 3.50. For a vanilla applicant who didn't cure cancer or win gold at the Olympics, they won't be dipping that low anytime soon.

From law school numbers, we can say Harvard had a GPA floor of around 3.7 in the past and perhaps has a floor of 3.5 or 3.6 right now.


LSN skews toward the more-qualified applicants.

We know Yale's lowest outlier. We do not know how many, if any, people are between that data point and what one would traditionally define as a "floor" à la LSN. If anything, Yale has less flexibility than Harvard in accepting such GPAs given the disparity in class size.

I do not find it such a stretch to envision 1-3 acceptances, maybe more in a given year (constrained by absolute numbers), in the 178-180/3.4-3.5 range at HLS.


I don't disagree with anything you said, and I'm definitely not saying that Harvard has a lower GPA floor than Yale. I think, however, we might have different definitions of what constitutes a floor.

Two years ago, 178/3.5 was virtually DOA at H. Now, with the drop in applicants, someone with those numbers might have a fighting chance. I wouldn't be surprised to hear of 3+ acceptances from applicants in the 178-180/3.4-3.5 range at HLS, nor would I be surprised to hear of 1-3 acceptances for sub-3.7s in past cycles, even when the floor was still effectively a 3.7. There are very few applicants with a 178+ LSAT, and people with those numbers should of course apply to YHS. But I wouldn't get my hopes up about being that special snowflake acceptance (at least, not until the data shows the floor has shifted that low).

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby jordan15 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:26 pm

thewaves wrote:The bigger question is, why do you want a law degree? You seem like a degree shopper. This is $250k of debt.


+1. MA, PhD, MBA??? I suppose you have a chance at any T14 if you truly are that special snowflake and can make all of that stuff you mentioned actually form a cohesive package. But you sound all over the place. Yikes.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby MyNameIsFlynn! » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:20 pm

A discussion of H's GPA floor seems particularly irrelevant in this thread. Is there any evidence H has ever gone below 3.0? Keep in mind OP has a 2.7.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby twenty » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:21 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
thewaves wrote:The bigger question is, why do you want a law degree? You seem like a degree shopper.

http://www.bgdlegal.com/professionals/9 ... -l.-brown/


I'm not sure if that's insanely awesome or slightly terrifying.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby TheSpanishMain » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:16 pm

What is it you actually want to do, career wise? Are you from a wealthy family that is willing to foot the bill for you to endlessly pursue graduate degrees? If I were on an admissions committee, my first thought would be "This guy has no idea what he actually wants to do professionally."

Also, as others have said, the Senator thing is probably not all that impressive. I suppose it would be if the Senator in question was someone you'd worked closely with and wrote a detailed, unique letter explaining all the cool stuff you did. If it's just a sort of pro forma thing that an aide drafted like, "Applicant X interned in my office from x date to x date. He's hard working, intelligent, and an all around cool dude. Signed, Senator Rufus T. Firefly." then it's really not going to do much. Admissions officers probably see a LOT of those.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby Clearly » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:09 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
thewaves wrote:The bigger question is, why do you want a law degree? You seem like a degree shopper.

http://www.bgdlegal.com/professionals/9 ... -l.-brown/

Why would you link my profile on tls!! :x

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby sancho » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:55 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
thewaves wrote:The bigger question is, why do you want a law degree? You seem like a degree shopper.

http://www.bgdlegal.com/professionals/9 ... -l.-brown/


:lol:

How did you find that guy?

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby 04102014 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:02 pm

I <3 kappycaft1 so much

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby Stinson » Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:15 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
thewaves wrote:The bigger question is, why do you want a law degree? You seem like a degree shopper.

http://www.bgdlegal.com/professionals/9 ... -l.-brown/


Not a lawyer, but this guy was a professor of mine in college. His list is a little more stacked in terms of preftige.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Bolger

Per the wikipedia, he did begin law school at Yale, at age 20 no less, but decided not to finish. He's a really cool guy.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby iamgeorgebush » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:45 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
thewaves wrote:The bigger question is, why do you want a law degree? You seem like a degree shopper.

http://www.bgdlegal.com/professionals/9 ... -l.-brown/

Woah.

9...degrees...

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby Cicero76 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:22 pm

IAFG wrote:Yeah those aren't the panty-dropping softs the people around you believe them to be. Congress writes a lot of LORs.


In fact, they write so many that I didn't even use the one I got for working for my Senator because I figured such letters are so run-of-the-mill at HYS as to be passe.

But seriously OP, unless you can retroactively withdraw from those classes, that GPA is going to leave you SOL for more schools than just Harvard, regardless of your softs. Even with an insane LSAT.

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Re: Non Trad for H?

Postby Void » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:55 pm

Stinson wrote:Not a lawyer, but this guy was a professor of mine in college. His list is a little more stacked in terms of preftige.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Bolger


Wikipedia wrote:In addition to studying, Bolger was a teaching fellow at Harvard and adjuncts for the online for-profit degree company the University of Phoenix.


Hmmm...




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