178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

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178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby SaBa929 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:04 pm

I'm curious as to what my chances at HLS are. I have an undergrad GPA of 3.4 (very low) and a graduate GPA of 3.7 (Masters in Accounting--also pretty low). I'm also a CPA and have been working at a Big 4 public accounting firm for a couple of years.

If not HLS, T14?

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby smaug_ » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:12 pm

HLS is very very unlikely. You have interesting softs, so it might be worth a shot, but don't pin your hopes on it happening. (You can look at the statistics; in the past few cycles about one person per year has gotten in with your numbers.)

You will almost certainly get into CLS, NYU and Northwestern. Others are shakier. I don't know if you'd be competitive for it, but you might be the kind of person who should ED Northwestern (I don't know if your GPA is too low for that or not) but if you get Northwestern ED that would likely be your best option (it comes with a full scholarship).

Good luck!
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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby jbagelboy » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:13 pm

In at NYU and down, decent chance at CC, unlikely but worth the app at H and definitely out at YS.

Good luck!

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby Tiago Splitter » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:17 pm

jbagelboy wrote:In at NYU and down

In at NYU for sure, but there will be plenty of waitlists below that.

I agree with Hibiki that you should apply ED to Northwestern for the full ride.

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby jbagelboy » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:31 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:In at NYU and down

In at NYU for sure, but there will be plenty of waitlists below that.

I agree with Hibiki that you should apply ED to Northwestern for the full ride.


I predict that if next cycle sees similar results to this cycle, most splitters will see WL->accept at the worst, even at splitter unfriendly schools like Michigan. Penn has taken a lot of 3.4s this cycle.

Probably out at Berkeley tho due to the low GPA. Forgot to mention that so my bad. I don't see that many others passing up on a 178 tho

edit: only one of NU's ED full riders was actually a splitter: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ManfromNantucket

the others were all 3.65-3.9. I still find the impression that NU ED is a golden egg for splitters is misguided

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby Ti Malice » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:41 am

Yeah, you're almost certainly not getting the ED full ride to NU. But it seems like a number of people in 3.35/175+ range got surprisingly large scholarships ($90,000+) from NU this year. You're way below HLS's GPA floor, but you can throw them an app if you feel like you'd regret not doing so later. NYU is virtually in the bag, and you have a good shot at CLS, but you'll probably be paying sticker or close to it at either. Landing one of those $90-120K scholarships from NU would be your best outcome, in my opinion.

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby smaug_ » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:47 am

Ti Malice wrote:NYU is virtually in the bag, and you have a good shot at CLS, but you'll probably be paying sticker or close to it at either. Landing one of those $90-120K scholarships from NU would be your best outcome, in my opinion.


OP has a good shot at money from NYU/CLS. I'm not sure that 60-70k there is better than 90-120k at NU, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't some option higher than NU with money.

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby Ti Malice » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:47 am

hibiki wrote:
Ti Malice wrote:NYU is virtually in the bag, and you have a good shot at CLS, but you'll probably be paying sticker or close to it at either. Landing one of those $90-120K scholarships from NU would be your best outcome, in my opinion.


OP has a good shot at money from NYU/CLS. I'm not sure that 60-70k there is better than 90-120k at NU, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't some option higher than NU with money.


I'll defer to you on that. I'm surprised to hear that a 3.4 can pull that kind of money from CLS or NYU, but we live in strange times.

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby smaug_ » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:52 am

Ti Malice wrote:
hibiki wrote:
Ti Malice wrote:NYU is virtually in the bag, and you have a good shot at CLS, but you'll probably be paying sticker or close to it at either. Landing one of those $90-120K scholarships from NU would be your best outcome, in my opinion.


OP has a good shot at money from NYU/CLS. I'm not sure that 60-70k there is better than 90-120k at NU, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't some option higher than NU with money.


I'll defer to you on that. I'm surprised to hear that a 3.4 can pull that kind of money from CLS or NYU, but we live in strange times.


If either decides that it's too costly to defend the 75th percentile LSAT score they'll stop doing it, I wager.

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby PRgradBYU » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:16 pm

SaBa929 wrote:I'm curious as to what my chances at HLS are. I have an undergrad GPA of 3.4 (very low) and a graduate GPA of 3.7 (Masters in Accounting--also pretty low). I'm also a CPA and have been working at a Big 4 public accounting firm for a couple of years.

If not HLS, T14?


Why would you want to give up a stable Big 4 accounting job for law school?

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby jbagelboy » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:27 pm

PRgradBYU wrote:
SaBa929 wrote:I'm curious as to what my chances at HLS are. I have an undergrad GPA of 3.4 (very low) and a graduate GPA of 3.7 (Masters in Accounting--also pretty low). I'm also a CPA and have been working at a Big 4 public accounting firm for a couple of years.

If not HLS, T14?


Why would you want to give up a stable Big 4 accounting job for law school?


accounting is pretty lame dude. if you want a career change, it's worth it if you can go to HYS or get a full ride somewhere else

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby SaBa929 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:34 pm

I've always wanted to go into law, but didn't pursue it after undergrad because I assumed that my low GPA wouldn't get me into the schools I was interested in. Also, several people discouraged me from applying due to the low employment prospects that law graduates were facing.

After trying a different route, I've realized that accounting is not something that I'm interested in doing for the rest of my life, and I'd rather take the risk than be stuck in my current field.

It sounds like HLS will be a pretty big reach, but I'll go ahead and apply anyway. Didn't realize that they don't look at grades in grad school.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:38 pm

PRgradBYU wrote:
SaBa929 wrote:I'm curious as to what my chances at HLS are. I have an undergrad GPA of 3.4 (very low) and a graduate GPA of 3.7 (Masters in Accounting--also pretty low). I'm also a CPA and have been working at a Big 4 public accounting firm for a couple of years.

If not HLS, T14?


Why would you want to give up a stable Big 4 accounting job for law school?


More to life than a stable job?

http://www.brightfutura.com/11-ways-to- ... y-average/

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby PRgradBYU » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:14 pm

jbagelboy wrote:
PRgradBYU wrote:
SaBa929 wrote:I'm curious as to what my chances at HLS are. I have an undergrad GPA of 3.4 (very low) and a graduate GPA of 3.7 (Masters in Accounting--also pretty low). I'm also a CPA and have been working at a Big 4 public accounting firm for a couple of years.

If not HLS, T14?


Why would you want to give up a stable Big 4 accounting job for law school?


accounting is pretty lame dude. if you want a career change, it's worth it if you can go to HYS or get a full ride somewhere else


I'll concur that accounting is pretty monotonous, but accounting jobs seem to just grow on trees. I must have somehow overlooked OP's 178, though. I imagine he'll get some great T14 bites with that, although that GPA is pretty low for HYS's standards.

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:28 pm

jbagelboy wrote:the others were all 3.65-3.9. I still find the impression that NU ED is a golden egg for splitters is misguided

I agree with you but usually people recommend ED NU to anyone with work experience, a 170, and a GPA around 3.0. This guy has legit work experience, a very high LSAT and a good enough GPA that NU will need to pay something to buy him away from CCN. In each of the last two years people have landed the ED with a profile approximating his. I don't see the downside to applying ED if they continue to offer the full ride next year.

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:20 pm

PRgradBYU wrote:
I'll concur that accounting is pretty monotonous, but accounting jobs seem to just grow on trees. I must have somehow overlooked OP's 178, though. I imagine he'll get some great T14 bites with that, although that GPA is pretty low for HYS's standards.


You're not wrong at all. They grow on trees. You can land an accounting job if you graduate, pass the CPA, and look. Your GPA doesn't even matter. I know one of the laziest guys ever that bombed bio in his first two years of UG, then switched to accounting. His GPA was toast, but he graduated, passed the CPA, and is now an accountant at a TTT electronics company making 50k/yr.

The thing is, everyone needs accountants. There will always be jobs for them unless there is some kind of technological revolution of some kind that makes it cheaper for machines to keep track of expenses and do that sort of work.

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Re: 178/3.4 UG, 3.7 G

Postby sinfiery » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:07 pm

Don't even need a CPA, accounting is legit




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