Chances at T-14?

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Chances at T-14?

Postby Tiger Eyes » Thu May 09, 2013 10:29 pm

Where can my friend get in with these stats? He says his weak GPA ruined his chances at getting into anything above the top 20.

AA Male
3.2 GPA
174 LSAT

Softs
Worked full time in UG
Athlete in UG
Volunteer in political campaign
Supreme Court internship
2 years service in Peace Corps
Strong LOR
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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby JamMasterJ » Thu May 09, 2013 10:30 pm

decent shot at CCN w/ money
In everywhere below.
A prayer at H

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Nova » Thu May 09, 2013 10:31 pm

174 = top ten AA score per cycle. The GPA is not a deal breaker from CCN down.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=195443

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Tiger Eyes » Thu May 09, 2013 10:41 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:decent shot at CCN w/ money
In everywhere below.
A prayer at H


W/ money? Really? I didn't think a school of that stature would offer money with those stats.

How much of a shot at H?

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby JamMasterJ » Thu May 09, 2013 10:49 pm

Tiger Eyes wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:decent shot at CCN w/ money
In everywhere below.
A prayer at H


W/ money? Really? I didn't think a school of that stature would offer money with those stats.

How much of a shot at H?

really unpredictable - Nova's link shows that there are so few AA male applicants in your situation that predicting outcomes is going to be pretty tough

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Tiger Eyes » Thu May 09, 2013 10:55 pm

Gotcha. Does Peace Corps experience provide a significant boost or not so much?

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby vinnnyvincenzo » Thu May 09, 2013 11:00 pm

It's peace corps, and no.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby txdude45 » Thu May 09, 2013 11:05 pm

Tiger Eyes wrote:Where can my friend get in with these stats? He says his weak GPA ruined his chances at getting into anything above the top 20.

AA Male
3.2 GPA
174 LSAT

Softs
Worked full time in UG
Athlete in UG
Volunteer in political campaign
Supreme Court internship
2 years service in Peace Core
Strong LOR


That 174 is gonna take him places.

This cycle I was 3.2/167/AA male and was IN/WL everywhere but Yale and Berkeley (including IN @ CCN with $ at Chicago). He's gonna get in everywhere but Yale and maybe Stanford. Tell him not to sweat the process and just make sure the rest of the app doesn't give adcoms pause.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Tiger Eyes » Thu May 09, 2013 11:07 pm

vinnnyvincenzo wrote:It's peace corps, and no.


Thanks for pointing that out. That's interesting I thought it would help a little.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Tiger Eyes » Thu May 09, 2013 11:09 pm

txdude45 wrote:
Tiger Eyes wrote:Where can my friend get in with these stats? He says his weak GPA ruined his chances at getting into anything above the top 20.

AA Male
3.2 GPA
174 LSAT

Softs
Worked full time in UG
Athlete in UG
Volunteer in political campaign
Supreme Court internship
2 years service in Peace Core
Strong LOR


That 174 is gonna take him places.

This cycle I was 3.2/167/AA male and was IN/WL everywhere but Yale and Berkeley (including IN @ CCN with $ at Chicago). He's gonna get in everywhere but Yale and maybe Stanford. Tell him not to sweat the process and just make sure the rest of the app doesn't give adcoms pause.


Nice! What were your softs? Of course if you don't mind my asking.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby jrsbaseball5 » Thu May 09, 2013 11:37 pm

Nova wrote:174 = top ten AA score per cycle. The GPA is not a deal breaker from CCN down.

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 4&t=195443


Nova-

Is there like this for MA applicants?

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Nova » Fri May 10, 2013 12:18 am

jrsbaseball5 wrote:
Nova wrote:174 = top ten AA score per cycle. The GPA is not a deal breaker from CCN down.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=195443


Nova-

Is there like this for MA applicants?


Yes.

aboutmydaylight wrote:If anyone's curious, for MA's the numbers are as follows:

Mean: 147.79
SD: 8.82
Number = 1853

Mean + 1SD = 156.61 (294-295)
Mean + 1.5SD = 161.02 (124-125)
Mean + 2SD = 165.43 (42-43)
Mean + 2.5SD = 169.84 (11-12)
Mean + 3SD = 174.25 (1-2)

Numbers are smaller because there's less MA's than AA's that apply. All approximations of course. I don't have the data on how many MA enroll/are accepted to the T-14 but iirc about 30 MA's enroll in HYS annually. Assuming everything's correct, that would correspond to an LSAT of 166-167 to be among the top 30 MA's that took the test. I have a (perhaps unfounded) presumption that MA's don't get even close to the pass that AA's get when it comes to GPA though. You'd probably still have to near 3.7 to be competitive with the lower end of those scores.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=195443&start=75

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby jrsbaseball5 » Fri May 10, 2013 12:56 am

Nova wrote:
jrsbaseball5 wrote:
Nova wrote:174 = top ten AA score per cycle. The GPA is not a deal breaker from CCN down.

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 4&t=195443


Nova-

Is there like this for MA applicants?


Yes.

aboutmydaylight wrote:If anyone's curious, for MA's the numbers are as follows:

Mean: 147.79
SD: 8.82
Number = 1853

Mean + 1SD = 156.61 (294-295)
Mean + 1.5SD = 161.02 (124-125)
Mean + 2SD = 165.43 (42-43)
Mean + 2.5SD = 169.84 (11-12)
Mean + 3SD = 174.25 (1-2)

Numbers are smaller because there's less MA's than AA's that apply. All approximations of course. I don't have the data on how many MA enroll/are accepted to the T-14 but iirc about 30 MA's enroll in HYS annually. Assuming everything's correct, that would correspond to an LSAT of 166-167 to be among the top 30 MA's that took the test. I have a (perhaps unfounded) presumption that MA's don't get even close to the pass that AA's get when it comes to GPA though. You'd probably still have to near 3.7 to be competitive with the lower end of those scores.

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 3&start=75


Ah ok, I must have skipped over that section. Thank you!

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby txdude45 » Fri May 10, 2013 7:04 pm

Tiger Eyes wrote:
Nice! What were your softs? Of course if you don't mind my asking.


D1 athlete (4-year letterman)
HYP undergrad
Co-founded non-profit

Those were my biggest and they aren't huge. Other than that I had a couple finance internships and launched a failed web start-up. None of that has mattered much. I've performed pretty much how my numbers said I would, given my URM status.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby dawyzest1 » Fri May 10, 2013 9:23 pm

I'm thinking he's got a terrific shot at everything but Y and maybe S. Yale is definitely out. I can't see them taking a 3.2 GPA. I think his chances at H are pretty damn good. We know from GAIA's guide that there are 3.2/174's at H right now. I think the Peace Corps is a non-negligible soft and will seal the deal for him.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby californiauser » Sat May 11, 2013 3:26 pm

Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.

Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Ti Malice » Sat May 11, 2013 6:39 pm

californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.

Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.


Overstated.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Tiger Eyes » Sat May 11, 2013 9:09 pm

californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.

Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.


Wow really, wasn't expecting that. What are his chances at Stanford if any?

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby jbagelboy » Mon May 13, 2013 5:26 pm

Tiger Eyes wrote:
californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.

Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.


Wow really, wasn't expecting that. What are his chances at Stanford if any?


california indicated he had very good chances at stanford ("in at S"), I would moderate this statement to reflect the fact that a 3.2 GPA even for AA is pushing it at H and S. I think he could anticipate a WL there and get in to H off the WL if they lose enough AA applicants with higher GPAs.

Also full ride is an overstatement at CC, since Hamilton is really for 175+ and the Ruby will no longer exist. That being said, he's basically guaranteed in at CCN and below with some $.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Dr. Dre » Mon May 13, 2013 9:17 pm

RIP ruby scholarship

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby o'kane » Tue May 14, 2013 11:04 am

Aboutmydaylight or others - Do you have or know where I can find a similar distribution for Puerto Ricans? Thanks.

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Tue May 14, 2013 11:15 am

jbagelboy wrote:
Tiger Eyes wrote:
californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.

Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.


Wow really, wasn't expecting that. What are his chances at Stanford if any?


california indicated he had very good chances at stanford ("in at S"), I would moderate this statement to reflect the fact that a 3.2 GPA even for AA is pushing it at H and S. I think he could anticipate a WL there and get in to H off the WL if they lose enough AA applicants with higher GPAs.

Also full ride is an overstatement at CC, since Hamilton is really for 175+ and the Ruby will no longer exist. That being said, he's basically guaranteed in at CCN and below with some $.


Not sure I agree with the chances at S or H... Yale's lowest accepted GPAs was a 3.49 - I doubt SLS/HLS are willing to go THAT far below :(

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby dawyzest1 » Tue May 14, 2013 1:23 pm

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:
Tiger Eyes wrote:
californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.

Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.


Wow really, wasn't expecting that. What are his chances at Stanford if any?


california indicated he had very good chances at stanford ("in at S"), I would moderate this statement to reflect the fact that a 3.2 GPA even for AA is pushing it at H and S. I think he could anticipate a WL there and get in to H off the WL if they lose enough AA applicants with higher GPAs.

Also full ride is an overstatement at CC, since Hamilton is really for 175+ and the Ruby will no longer exist. That being said, he's basically guaranteed in at CCN and below with some $.


Not sure I agree with the chances at S or H... Yale's lowest accepted GPAs was a 3.49 - I doubt SLS/HLS are willing to go THAT far below :(

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Careful on this one. LSN lumps all URMs together and URM boosts are not uniform. AAm is the highest boost and a >172 AAm is quite rare. In fact, in your analysis, the one URM to get in at H is indeed a black male...

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby Dr. Dre » Tue May 14, 2013 1:34 pm

So do you think the URM's that got dinged in the above picture were MA's?

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Re: Chances at T-14?

Postby dawyzest1 » Tue May 14, 2013 1:51 pm

I only dug as far as H, but one ding was NA and the other was Hispanic, not necessarily MA. Nothing is a guarantee (i.e. the "friend" could call JS a jerk in his interview or he could have C&F problems), but I'd bet real money on him getting into Harvard.

Now, is this dude the "top AAm candidate in this cycle"? I think not. There has to be a 3.8+/172+ AAm out there each time fretting over his Hammys and Darrows and such.




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