Classics: best pre-law major?

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:49 pm

IAFG wrote:I seriously question whether it is a classics education that helps in LS or those to stick with a classics major also happen to be successful in LS.

Yeah, I think there's going to be some serious self-selection going on with classics majors.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby Elston Gunn » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:00 pm

I dont know what classics are like at a normal UG, but there's definitely a causal link between doing philosophy and doing well on the LSAT. Still wouldnt recommend it to most people though.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby TheThriller » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:23 pm

I spent the vast majority of my Classics major career translating Latin and Greek into English and v.v.

If anything, studying/translating Classical language is like studying math.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby J-e-L-L-o » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:31 pm

statistics of LSAT scores by major for 2008-2009

http://www.potsdam.edu/academics/AAS/Ph ... Majors.pdf
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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby banjo » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:32 am

Latin is a fun hobby, but there's no need to major in it.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby IAFG » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:44 am

Elston Gunn wrote:I dont know what classics are like at a normal UG, but there's definitely a causal link between doing philosophy and doing well on the LSAT. Still wouldnt recommend it to most people though.

I am not sure you know what "definitely" and "causal" and "link" mean.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby Elston Gunn » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:01 am

IAFG wrote:
Elston Gunn wrote:I dont know what classics are like at a normal UG, but there's definitely a causal link between doing philosophy and doing well on the LSAT. Still wouldnt recommend it to most people though.

I am not sure you know what "definitely" and "causal" and "link" mean.

Heh, well I mean "definitely" in the sense of, in my opinion the connection is obvious when you've done both, not because of the stats that show a correlation. Obviously it's not "definite" in a literal sense, but then again nothing causal is. Would you prefer it if I said I strongly believe the link is causal and not just correlative?

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:41 pm

Elston Gunn wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Elston Gunn wrote:I dont know what classics are like at a normal UG, but there's definitely a causal link between doing philosophy and doing well on the LSAT. Still wouldnt recommend it to most people though.

I am not sure you know what "definitely" and "causal" and "link" mean.

Heh, well I mean "definitely" in the sense of, in my opinion the connection is obvious when you've done both, not because of the stats that show a correlation. Obviously it's not "definite" in a literal sense, but then again nothing causal is. Would you prefer it if I said I strongly believe the link is causal and not just correlative?


Is this the shit they teach you in philosphy school?

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby beepboopbeep » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:03 pm

IAFG wrote:
Elston Gunn wrote:I dont know what classics are like at a normal UG, but there's definitely a causal link between doing philosophy and doing well on the LSAT. Still wouldnt recommend it to most people though.

I am not sure you know what "definitely" and "causal" and "link" mean.


It seems clear enough. I would not doubt that studying philosophy - especially formal logic - would increase LSAT performance.

What part of that claim is outrageous?

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby TaipeiMort » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:14 pm

beepboopbeep wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Elston Gunn wrote:I dont know what classics are like at a normal UG, but there's definitely a causal link between doing philosophy and doing well on the LSAT. Still wouldnt recommend it to most people though.

I am not sure you know what "definitely" and "causal" and "link" mean.


It seems clear enough. I would not doubt that studying philosophy - especially formal logic - would increase LSAT performance.

What part of that claim is outrageous?


Who cares. Anyone with above average intelligence and 4 months can crack 170.

Finance, CS, Electrical Engineering, relevant languages are actually going to get you a job over your equally situated peers.

If anything, Classics will make some employers think "this person doesn't have any real life experience."

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby IAFG » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:16 pm

beepboopbeep wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Elston Gunn wrote:I dont know what classics are like at a normal UG, but there's definitely a causal link between doing philosophy and doing well on the LSAT. Still wouldnt recommend it to most people though.

I am not sure you know what "definitely" and "causal" and "link" mean.


It seems clear enough. I would not doubt that studying philosophy - especially formal logic - would increase LSAT performance.

What part of that claim is outrageous?

If you can't see what's wrong with the claim, I have to assume you're not one of the people with average intelligence and a few months to study who managed to crack 170.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby beepboopbeep » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:19 pm

TaipeiMort wrote:Who cares. Anyone with above average intelligence and 4 months can crack 170.

Finance, CS, Electrical Engineering, relevant languages are actually going to get you a job over your equally situated peers.


Oh for sure. He was just catching a lot of shit and it didn't seem like that bad of a statement for TLS.

To give actual advice for OP, joining the chorus of "whatever you can handle that qualifies for the patent bar".

IAFG wrote:If you can't see what's wrong with the claim, I have to assume you're not one of the people with average intelligence and a few months to study who managed to crack 170.


lol

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby TaipeiMort » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:21 pm

beepboopbeep wrote:
TaipeiMort wrote:Who cares. Anyone with above average intelligence and 4 months can crack 170.

Finance, CS, Electrical Engineering, relevant languages are actually going to get you a job over your equally situated peers.


Oh for sure. He was just catching a lot of shit and it didn't seem like that bad of a statement for TLS.

To give actual advice for OP, joining the chorus of "whatever you can handle that qualifies for the patent bar".

IAFG wrote:If you can't see what's wrong with the claim, I have to assume you're not one of the people with average intelligence and a few months to study who managed to crack 170.


lol


Firms do like the EE and CS peeps a lit more than the Physics or whatever.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby Elston Gunn » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:35 pm

IAFG wrote:
beepboopbeep wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Elston Gunn wrote:I dont know what classics are like at a normal UG, but there's definitely a causal link between doing philosophy and doing well on the LSAT. Still wouldnt recommend it to most people though.

I am not sure you know what "definitely" and "causal" and "link" mean.


It seems clear enough. I would not doubt that studying philosophy - especially formal logic - would increase LSAT performance.

What part of that claim is outrageous?

If you can't see what's wrong with the claim, I have to assume you're not one of the people with average intelligence and a few months to study who managed to crack 170.

It's totally obvious that the skills learned are similar. You're basically snarking either because I used definitely like a normal person would in a conversation or because the other words I used sounded kind of douchey. Which is fair enough I guess, but if you actually disagree with the point, I think you're being pretty dumb.
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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby Agent » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:20 pm

PSA: Patent bar exam eligibility =/= employability. Lots of low-value majors will qualify you to sit for the patent bar exam.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby Cicero76 » Wed May 01, 2013 2:59 pm

FWIW, I met a ridiculous number of classics majors at Yale ASW.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby IAFG » Wed May 01, 2013 3:19 pm

Elston Gunn wrote:It's totally obvious that the skills learned are similar. You're basically snarking either because I used definitely like a normal person would in a conversation or because the other words I used sounded kind of douchey. Which is fair enough I guess, but if you actually disagree with the point, I think you're being pretty dumb.

My point is that people who don't wash out of programs requiring formal logic (or aren't scared off by them in the first place) are going to do better on the LSAT. So I don't think it's clear that the training itself causes people to do better on the LSAT. Particularly because I don't think formal logic coursework is going to help you terribly much with RC and much of LG.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby jbagelboy » Fri May 03, 2013 2:52 pm

J-e-L-L-o wrote:statistics of LSAT scores by major for 2008-2009

http://www.potsdam.edu/academics/AAS/Ph ... Majors.pdf


lol. math is killing itttt represent!!

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby jbagelboy » Fri May 03, 2013 2:53 pm

Cicero76 wrote:FWIW, I met a ridiculous number of classics majors at Yale ASW.


this does not surprise me in the least.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby Dr. Dre » Sat May 04, 2013 1:11 am

OP is your interested in studying Latin, don't major in classics. This is all you need:

http://www.amazon.com/Wheelocks-Latin-7th/dp/0061997226

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby Luke_Lawyer19 » Sat May 04, 2013 1:57 am

What do you guys think of Honors programs?

Do they stand out?

+'s and -'s ?

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby WorldsEndGirlfriend » Sun May 05, 2013 7:43 am

Desert Fox wrote:
IAFG wrote:The best pre-law major is electrical engineering.


Computer Science. Just as in demand, but it's easier.

Can't EEs do CS work but not vice versa?

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby mephistopheles » Sun May 05, 2013 10:41 am

Luke_Lawyer19 wrote:What do you guys think of Honors programs?

Do they stand out?

+'s and -'s ?



definitely stand out, especially if you went to a state school and could have gone to better schools.

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Re: Classics: best pre-law major?

Postby stillwater » Sun May 05, 2013 10:56 am

You never know when your fact-pattern on a law exam will seamlessly segue into Attic Greek, leaving the most classically trained among us at the top.




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