~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

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~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby poiu » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:22 pm

"Medium level" softs, nothing bad nothing spectacular. I am an excellent writer and have plenty of people I trust to review personal statements, etc. OK recommendations from professors - nothing damning, but nothing "best student I ever had!" level. Non-URM. Basically nothing going for me except the high LSAT score.

Applying next cycle (will graduate this May). How would you play this hand? What would you do in my shoes?
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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby andy261 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:26 pm

poiu wrote:"Medium level" softs, nothing bad nothing spectacular. I am an excellent writer and have plenty of people I trust to review personal statements, etc. OK recommendations from professors - nothing damning, but nothing "best student I ever had!" level.

Applying next cycle (will graduate this May). How would you play this hand? What would you do in my shoes?

Try to delay graduation (add another major/minor if allowed) and raise your GPA. If you're not willing to do that, blanket the T-14 and make sure to polish the rest of your application. You'll probably get into quite a few outside of HYS.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby poiu » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:11 pm

http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-co ... ograms.htm

Is this at all accurate, because the results it's giving me seem a little ridiculous. Admit at Columbia if I ED? Is it just bad at judging heavy splitters?

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby cinephile » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:13 pm

I wouldn't ED. Apply everywhere and see what you get in terms of $$$.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:14 pm

This is where you're at now: http://myLSN.info/wfxuju

(Use myLSN not LSP)

If I were you I would delay a year, boost my GPA to 3.4/3.5, get chummy with a couple professors and get bang up letters of recommendation. Then you're looking at a sweet cycle.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby poiu » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:36 pm

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:This is where you're at now: http://myLSN.info/wfxuju

(Use myLSN not LSP)

If I were you I would delay a year, boost my GPA to 3.4/3.5, get chummy with a couple professors and get bang up letters of recommendation. Then you're looking at a sweet cycle.


Ah yes, that seems a lot more realistic haha. Re: delaying a year, there's just no way, thanks to the rules at my university.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:40 pm

poiu wrote:
John_rizzy_rawls wrote:This is where you're at now: http://myLSN.info/wfxuju

(Use myLSN not LSP)

If I were you I would delay a year, boost my GPA to 3.4/3.5, get chummy with a couple professors and get bang up letters of recommendation. Then you're looking at a sweet cycle.


Ah yes, that seems a lot more realistic haha. Re: delaying a year, there's just no way, thanks to the rules at my university.


Pick up a minor, they can't stop you from doing that.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:43 pm

ED CLS

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:55 pm

poiu wrote:http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-content/uploads/Law-School-Predictor-Full-Time-Programs.htm

Is this at all accurate, because the results it's giving me seem a little ridiculous. Admit at Columbia if I ED? Is it just bad at judging heavy splitters?

Yes, LSP doesn't do a good job with splitters.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby poiu » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:34 am

ED Columbia, if rejected immediately ED UVa & blanket the rest of the lower T14? UVa would be my first choice (for personal reasons) besides Columbia and besides getting a substantial scholarship to an equivalent school.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby patrickd139 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:41 am

poiu wrote:ED Columbia, if rejected immediately ED UVa & blanket the rest of the lower T14? UVa would be my first choice (for personal reasons) besides Columbia and besides getting a substantial scholarship to an equivalent school.

If your college is at all reasonably priced: Don't ED anywhere. Take a victory lap in clear to boost GPA and get better LORs. Volunteer somewhere. Enjoy college for another year.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby nickb285 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:48 am

Retake.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby poiu » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:55 pm

patrickd139 wrote:If your college is at all reasonably priced: Don't ED anywhere. Take a victory lap in clear to boost GPA and get better LORs. Volunteer somewhere. Enjoy college for another year.


Can you explain why EDing at all would be a bad idea?

I could try to pick up a minor and stretch my stay out that way but even then I would be limited to taking no more than 12 more credits in total. As you can imagine, the impact on my GPA would be very minimal. I guess theoretically I could also take a crap-ton of credits at a community college at the same time, but would it really be worth the loans I would have to take out just to get a boost to MAYBE a 3.5?

I consider being told "retake" in jest a badge of pride. Now if only I could retake college :|

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby Tim0thy222 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:03 pm

I'd say ED your choice of CCN if you're feeling bold, or MVP to be safe. I was 177/3.2, rejected ED to NYU, then rejected ED to UVA because it was late in the cycle by then. Sat out a year, improved PS, applied ED to UVA again on day one of cycle and was accepted.

Edited to add: look around LSN, but your GPA probably makes $ in the t14 unlikely, and if that's the case you might as well ED.
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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby nickb285 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:04 pm

poiu wrote:Can you explain why EDing at all would be a bad idea?


Generally, if you ED somewhere you're going to pay sticker or close to it, because once you're accepted you have no choice and thus no ability to negotiate and no reason for them to try to entice you. Even with your GPA, you're looking at a reasonable chance at CCN and a pretty good shot (especially with the decline in applicants) at Michigan on down. This will be even more the case should you bump up your GPA a bit. You want those schools to be fighting for you, rather than knowing that you're contractually obligated to attend one of them. If you're completely dead set on a particular school and you're interested in biglaw then it's not so bad, but if you're open to any T14, don't ED.

I consider being told "retake" in jest a badge of pride. Now if only I could retake college :|


You should, that's a hell of a score. My 3.17 and I sympathize with the second part of your statement though.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby poiu » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:57 pm

Also, what the hell is up with the LSAC ugpa/lsat regression tool?

http://i.imgur.com/xVbe3KZ.png

Better chances at Harvard than UVA? Nearly guaranteed admission to NYU?

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby JWalker » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:04 pm

ED UVA or NYU.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby star fox » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:15 pm

I think people need to realize that delaying graduation isn't always very realistic. I mean, most people have their parents at least partially pay for their UG and most parents would definitely not be cool with delaying graduation when you have the necessary credits.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby cahwc12 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:33 pm

andy261 wrote:
poiu wrote:"Medium level" softs, nothing bad nothing spectacular. I am an excellent writer and have plenty of people I trust to review personal statements, etc. OK recommendations from professors - nothing damning, but nothing "best student I ever had!" level.

Applying next cycle (will graduate this May). How would you play this hand? What would you do in my shoes?

Try to delay graduation (add another major/minor if allowed) and raise your GPA. If you're not willing to do that, blanket the T-14 and make sure to polish the rest of your application. You'll probably get into quite a few outside of HYS.


I heavily encourage you to consider doing this. There isn't a better investment you can make over the next year for law school than spending a year boosting your GPA.

It may sound absurd, but ~45 credits of straight A's (over two summers and a fall/spring) will get you to a 3.5. You could take these courses as online CC credits, or whatever bogus GPA-inflating courses you want. Do an independent study or write a thesis and spread it over three semesters if you want for 12-15 of those credit hours.

You might feel like you're wasting your time, but a 3.5/179 probably gets you close to a full ride everywhere outside CCN, gets you in at CCN probably with money, and gives you a shot at HYS. That's easily worth $50-60k or more.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby 90convoy » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:35 pm

nickb285 wrote:Retake.


u still have room to improve your LSATTT

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby Tiago Splitter » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:36 pm

cahwc12 wrote: a 3.5/179 probably gets you close to a full ride everywhere outside CCN, gets you in at CCN probably with money,

I agree it's worth doing, but this isn't really true.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:40 pm

90convoy wrote:
nickb285 wrote:Retake.


u still have room to improve your LSATTT


Gtfo. Shit is getting old.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby 90convoy » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:46 pm

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
90convoy wrote:
nickb285 wrote:Retake.


u still have room to improve your LSATTT


Gtfo. Shit is getting old.


ITT or in general, because I don't think it is.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby laxbrah420 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:48 pm

Really easy jokes don't get "old," they're just never funny, unless said in a way to communicate, "a dope might make a joke like this," which is hard, but not impossible to convey via the Internet; I'm positive you were not going for that vibe though.

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Re: ~3.3 GPA; 179 LSAT. What would you do?

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:49 pm

90convoy wrote:
John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
90convoy wrote:
nickb285 wrote:Retake.


u still have room to improve your LSATTT


Gtfo. Shit is getting old.


ITT or in general, because I don't think it is.


ITT. Retaking a 179 is irresponsible and horrid advice, and calling that score "TTT" is just stupid.




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