what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

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what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby suemitchell » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:53 am

I took the LSAT. My score is 171.....my gpa is really low, 2.21

I dont have a bonafide excuse for the 2.21, just that I had a terminally ill mother I cared for, and I have anxiety taking tests which I overcame the last few semesters. However, the anxiety with tests I hope wont be a major an issue, if I point out an addendum, the 2 semesters of solid A's, and prove I overcame it. Have an upward trend at least 2 semesters.

2.21/171 are my numbers.

Any chance of a Top 30? Top 50? Top 65?

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby qwertyboard » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:06 pm

Non-urm?
The following opinion is based on the assumption that after this year school's median LSAT across the board will drop.

Top 20 - Your chances are slim. Maybe U Washington or Minnesota but I don't think both are worth spending 200k.

Top 30 - You might get a few bites.

Top 50 - Sure!

Top 65 - Is it worth attending with no scholly?

Don't waste your money applying to LS, especially in California, that put a lot of emphasis on GPA. If I were you and had the money, I would apply to some of the lower half of the t20 and would add ED Michigan as the only t10 (holistic approach- they do take in people that underwent though harsh circumstances but you really have to impress dean Z).

Include in your GPA addendum that if the LS wishes to verify any information that they should not hesitate to contact you (I think this gives you more credibility). Although, I wouldn't mention the anxiety thing. Your mother illness is enough.

I'm feel sorry you went through all that. My mother was diagnosed with cancer 3 weeks before retaking the LSAT. Not the best time and it just made me not care that much for the test. Good luck!

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby andy261 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:16 pm

As a fellow super splitter, don't give up! I have a slightly higher GPA and lower LSAT, and have gotten into several T25 schools. I think your most likely chance for T14 with a 171 would be Georgetown.

I wouldn't mention the test anxiety issue. It seems too much like an excuse unless medically documented, especially given that the LSAT is a test yet you did very well.

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby suemitchell » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:36 pm

Thanks qwertyboard and andy 261, for all the great help you provided. It really encouraged me to hope for the best and not give up. There was just one additional question that I was wondering about and have been looking and cant seem to find an answer anywhere, so I apologize to ask another question, but:

Given that I mentioned my stats were 2.21/171 and possibly the medians of schools will be dropping before the 2013/14 cycle. If by chance a Top 25-35 school accepts me, I was just wondering:

Yes, I will be totally comfortable graduating from the best school I can get into, because I will accept that is the best I can do, since the LSAT is already beyond the 170 range and nothing can be done about the gpa. But given that I am just trying to get in the best school and not going to law school trying to transfer, since it probably wont work out, but it just made me wonder: How will lack of applicants effect future transfer admissions? If the schools drop their medians how will that effect transfers? (i.e. more transfer applicants, more spaces? less applying?) I just cant find an answer anywhere

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby andy261 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:25 pm

TLS consensus is that 1L grades are unpredictable, therefore that combined with the largely 1L grades-based decision-making and inherent competitiveness of transferring to top schools, makes the prospect of attending any school that you're not comfortable graduating from a bad idea.

In terms of declining applicants, unfortunately sub-3 splitters are not seeing as much of a boost as 'softer' splitters (3.0-3.5ish) because many top schools have pretty hard GPA floors. That being said, 170+ is a rarer commodity these days, so I'd just blanket as many schools as possible, polish the rest of your application to perfection, and hope for a few to bite.

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby cahwc12 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:28 pm

Straight talk: You have pretty much no shot at law school at a price worth attending. You're asking for trouble and bound to be disappointed and saddled in debt. You could feasibly gain admittance to several good schools with your LSAT this cycle, but you will be attending at sticker, and sticker is only a good bet at schools you can't get admitted to.

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby philepistemer » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:18 am

While I'm no TLS expert, I assume that there are rules against starting multiple accounts on this website and that there are rules against starting multiple threads all asking the same question. I find it highly unlikely that there could be multiple individuals who: 1) have LSATs near or above 170; 2) have GPAs below 2.6; 3) account for their low GPA by citing some form of serious illness; 4) have TLS usernames consisting of two lowercase, female names; and 5) write posts in a fashion characterized by heavy use of ellipses, naive tone, and convoluted structure.

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You are a messed up person for lying about having cancer. You should apply early decision at Cooley.

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby Davidbentley » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:26 am

philepistemer wrote:While I'm no TLS expert, I assume that there are rules against starting multiple accounts on this website and that there are rules against starting multiple threads all asking the same question. I find it highly unlikely that there could be multiple individuals who: 1) have LSATs near or above 170; 2) have GPAs below 2.6; 3) account for their low GPA by citing some form of serious illness; 4) have TLS usernames consisting of two lowercase, female names; and 5) write posts in a fashion characterized by heavy use of ellipses, naive tone, and convoluted structure.

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viewtopic.php?f=9&t=205314
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=204494
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You are a messed up person for lying about having cancer. You should apply early decision at Cooley.

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby andy261 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:48 am

Ugh I want my time back.

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:22 am

philepistemer wrote:While I'm no TLS expert, I assume that there are rules against starting multiple accounts on this website and that there are rules against starting multiple threads all asking the same question. I find it highly unlikely that there could be multiple individuals who: 1) have LSATs near or above 170; 2) have GPAs below 2.6; 3) account for their low GPA by citing some form of serious illness; 4) have TLS usernames consisting of two lowercase, female names; and 5) write posts in a fashion characterized by heavy use of ellipses, naive tone, and convoluted structure.

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You are a messed up person for lying about having cancer. You should apply early decision at Cooley.


I laughed so hard as I clicked through these that I got a nose bleed and pissed my pants a little.

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:25 am

philepistemer wrote:While I'm no TLS expert, I assume that there are rules against starting multiple accounts on this website and that there are rules against starting multiple threads all asking the same question. I find it highly unlikely that there could be multiple individuals who: 1) have LSATs near or above 170; 2) have GPAs below 2.6; 3) account for their low GPA by citing some form of serious illness; 4) have TLS usernames consisting of two lowercase, female names; and 5) write posts in a fashion characterized by heavy use of ellipses, naive tone, and convoluted structure.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=205335
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=205314
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=204494
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=204488
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=204509
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=204319
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=203582
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=202510
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=202505

You are a messed up person for lying about having cancer. You should apply early decision at Cooley.


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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby Davidbentley » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:29 am

Yes, but who is this person, and

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:37 am

Davidbentley wrote:Yes, but who is this person


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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby Zach Wolfe » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:09 pm

Retake.

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Re: what are my chances? low gpa, high LSAT

Postby Ramius » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:11 pm

I'm pretty sure this TLS-style Waco scenario has serious Daddy issues.




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