MBA's influence on admission

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MBA's influence on admission

Postby sid.bahl » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:52 pm

Hi all. I'm applying for admission for this coming Fall. I graduated with my BSBA in 2009 and will be finishing my MBA this May. I've gotten far better grades in my MBA program than I did in my undergraduate studies mainly because I have an understanding on how to approach my education now. I've been working full time for over 6 years working with trusts/estates so I've gotten good legal exposure. I'm only 25 too so I think all of that works in my favor.

That being said, how much do you think my MBA will influence my candidacy? I'm applying to T1-T2 schools in LA, Chicago, NYC, and Boston.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby guano » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:09 pm

sid.bahl wrote:Hi all. I'm applying for admission for this coming Fall. I graduated with my BSBA in 2009 and will be finishing my MBA this May. I've gotten far better grades in my MBA program than I did in my undergraduate studies mainly because I have an understanding on how to approach my education now. I've been working full time for over 6 years working with trusts/estates so I've gotten good legal exposure. I'm only 25 too so I think all of that works in my favor.

That being said, how much do you think my MBA will influence my candidacy? I'm applying to T1-T2 schools in LA, Chicago, NYC, and Boston.

zilch

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby iShotFirst » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:18 pm

guano wrote:
sid.bahl wrote:Hi all. I'm applying for admission for this coming Fall. I graduated with my BSBA in 2009 and will be finishing my MBA this May. I've gotten far better grades in my MBA program than I did in my undergraduate studies mainly because I have an understanding on how to approach my education now. I've been working full time for over 6 years working with trusts/estates so I've gotten good legal exposure. I'm only 25 too so I think all of that works in my favor.

That being said, how much do you think my MBA will influence my candidacy? I'm applying to T1-T2 schools in LA, Chicago, NYC, and Boston.

zilch


+1 from a fellow MBA graduate

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby Nova » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:23 pm

Less than 1 LSAT point

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby eav1277 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:26 pm

Why not use your MBA instead of going to law school? Prospects aren't amazing especially coming out a T1-T2, you seem to have/had a full time job, and you'll not be working for three years due to law school.

A lot of people go to law school because they don't have better prospects. Then again, if you know why you're going and expect/know you can make more than you were/are making, go for it.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby sid.bahl » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:12 pm

Thanks for your feedback. I've long wanted to get into corporate law and that's part of the reason why I went for the easier graduate degree (MBA) first. With both, I think I'd be in a great position from both an academic and professional experience standpoint.

Does the fact that I completed both my undergraduate and graduate degrees WHILE working full-time help me at all? Given the fact that law school is so time-intensive and requires excellent time management skills, I'd assume that would be a significant factor.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby kalvano » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:21 pm

sid.bahl wrote:Does the fact that I completed both my undergraduate and graduate degrees WHILE working full-time help me at all? Given the fact that law school is so time-intensive and requires excellent time management skills, I'd assume that would be a significant factor.


It has zero to do with admissions.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby Nova » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:22 pm

LSAT/ [undergrad] GPA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything else

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby guano » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:35 pm

sid.bahl wrote:Thanks for your feedback. I've long wanted to get into corporate law and that's part of the reason why I went for the easier graduate degree (MBA) first. With both, I think I'd be in a great position from both an academic and professional experience standpoint.

Does the fact that I completed both my undergraduate and graduate degrees WHILE working full-time help me at all? Given the fact that law school is so time-intensive and requires excellent time management skills, I'd assume that would be a significant factor.

Add half a point to your LSAT. Then round down.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:39 pm

guano wrote:
sid.bahl wrote:Thanks for your feedback. I've long wanted to get into corporate law and that's part of the reason why I went for the easier graduate degree (MBA) first. With both, I think I'd be in a great position from both an academic and professional experience standpoint.

Does the fact that I completed both my undergraduate and graduate degrees WHILE working full-time help me at all? Given the fact that law school is so time-intensive and requires excellent time management skills, I'd assume that would be a significant factor.

Add half a point to your LSAT. Then round down.


I concur.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby guano » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:42 pm

sid.bahl wrote:Thanks for your feedback. I've long wanted to get into corporate law and that's part of the reason why I went for the easier graduate degree (MBA) first. With both, I think I'd be in a great position from both an academic and professional experience standpoint.

Totally missed this earlier.

the quick answer is, dumb move.
I doubt you graduated at 25 from the kind of business school that'd make a difference. Great from the knowledge standpoint, and that will help in later life, but that's about it

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby sid.bahl » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:56 pm

I'd like to get into corporations law specifically. That's always interested me. I've worked for US Trust for 6 years so I have quite a bit of experience with estates/trusts so that's also an option. I did it more for the knowledge I'd gain. I completely understand that my law degree will make me or break me. I guess I'm a bit surprised at how little it matters from a law admissions standpoint.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby guano » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:00 am

sid.bahl wrote:I'd like to get into corporations law specifically. That's always interested me. I've worked for US Trust for 6 years so I have quite a bit of experience with estates/trusts so that's also an option. I did it more for the knowledge I'd gain. I completely understand that my law degree will make me or break me. I guess I'm a bit surprised at how little it matters from a law admissions standpoint.

I know a lot about this. Feel free to PM me if you have more specific questions

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:13 am

sid.bahl wrote:I'd like to get into corporations law specifically. That's always interested me. I've worked for US Trust for 6 years so I have quite a bit of experience with estates/trusts so that's also an option. I did it more for the knowledge I'd gain. I completely understand that my law degree will make me or break me. I guess I'm a bit surprised at how little it matters from a law admissions standpoint.


There are actually at least three reasons, two which I mostly agree with:

1. Is not factored into US News & world Report Rankings (not a great reason but it is reality)

2. Has very little differentiable value, in that the vast preponderance of graduate gpas are very high. Law school admissions is entirely about differentiating from the applicant pool.

3. Unlike uGPAs, I am unaware of any research that correlates graduate gpas with law school or 1st year law school performance.

So, in general, it has no real impact on the admissions process other than having the degree itself which may slightly differentiate. Surely it will help you in your career.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby sid.bahl » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:29 am

Thanks all for your advice!

How do you think the fact that law school applications are significantly down would affect this? Do you think admissions teams would look at non-traditional factors more favorably?

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby Rahviveh » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:30 am

If you have good work experience, that could be a small boost and help differentiate you from other applicants.

come back when you have an LSAT score

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby guano » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:36 am

sid.bahl wrote:Thanks all for your advice!

How do you think the fact that law school applications are significantly down would affect this? Do you think admissions teams would look at non-traditional factors more favorably?

quite the opposite, it means that they'll be even more obsessed with numbers as they'll be struggling to maintain their medians

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby North » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:02 pm

sid.bahl wrote:I'm applying to T1-T2 schools in LA, Chicago, NYC, and Boston.

Raise your standards.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby Sweetlady75 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:12 pm

Contrary to what everyone else in here seems to believe, your mba will count as a good soft factor. If your grades are much better than they were in undergrad, then it shows that you are capable of doing well in school. Also, the fact that you have worked full time the entire time will also be quite impressive to the adcom.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby Rahviveh » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:16 pm

Sweetlady75 wrote:Contrary to what everyone else in here seems to believe, your mba will count as a good soft factor. If your grades are much better than they were in undergrad, then it shows that you are capable of doing well in school. Also, the fact that you have worked full time the entire time will also be quite impressive to the adcom.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby guano » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:18 pm

Sweetlady75 wrote:Contrary to what everyone else in here seems to believe, your mba will count as a good soft factor. If your grades are much better than they were in undergrad, then it shows that you are capable of doing well in school. Also, the fact that you have worked full time the entire time will also be quite impressive to the adcom.

Who are you and what qualifies you to make this statement?
(Particularly when a former admissions officer is stating the opposite)

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby Ramius » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:19 pm

Sweetlady75 wrote:Contrary to what everyone else in here seems to believe, your mba will count as a good soft factor. If your grades are much better than they were in undergrad, then it shows that you are capable of doing well in school. Also, the fact that you have worked full time the entire time will also be quite impressive to the adcom.


Key word SOFT. May act as a tiebreaker with literally everything else equal with a K-JD, but how often is that the case? Very few soft factors play a significant role in admissions decisions. From what I've seen on LSN and here, URM (not exactly a soft, but definitely the biggest difference maker if counted), military vet, and maybe PhD seem to give a real boost. If there are any Olympic medalists, NYT bestsellers and a few VERY unique softs out there, they would presumably get a boost as well, but they're an extreme minority.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby MichNole19 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:20 pm

As someone who also had 4+ years of work experience and an MBA before starting law school, I believe it made no difference on my admissions cycle. Perhaps if given the same grades/LSAT as someone straight out of undergrad I got a boast but that is about it. However I feel the work experience/MBA really helped when it came to OCI's. I did well this past semester but not top 10% of my class well and I got interviews that some who fell in that catergory did not and I really do attribute that to the MBA (any type of grad degree might have gotten the same treatment) and my work experience.

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Re: MBA's influence on admission

Postby Ramius » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:22 pm

It's a little funny how often people cry desperately for their softs to make a difference in admission decisions while the majority of people who have softs that might legitimately help rarely say anything about it.




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