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Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby socrates88 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:44 pm

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby LaMuSayonga » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:49 pm

Prepare yourself for the flood of "Retake" responses. But retake is the correct answer here. Bump up your score by 3+ points and you're a lock at one of HYS.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby spicyyoda17 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:51 pm

Everyone here is going to tell you to retake. And hopefully you will. There are only 2 *good reasons I've seen on TLS for not retaking:
1) Maxed out LSAT attempts and LSAC denied appeal to retake.
2) Someone has agreed to fund 100% of your law school expenses on the condition that you enroll this upcoming school year.

*And even both of those are not absolute reasons why retaking should not be an option.

BUT I digress. You want an answer to your chances.

So here you go:

Unless you are URM and/or have incredible softs (let me know if you're not sure what is a nice soft), you have a very very small chance of being accepted to HYS.

http://myLSN.info/uj9gin

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby stillwater » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:53 pm

since when did HPY become HYPS? Stanford doesnt belong in that category.

oh, and retake.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby jym_dawg » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:16 pm

LaMuSayonga wrote:Prepare yourself for the flood of "Retake" responses. But retake is the correct answer here. Bump up your score by 3+ points and you're a lock at one of HYS.


Are you saying a 169/4 or 170/4 is a lock for one of HYS? I don't think LSN supports this.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby Crowing » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:21 pm

stillwater wrote:since when did HPY become HYPS? Stanford doesnt belong in that category.

oh, and retake.


its HYPS when OP goes to S

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:26 pm

jym_dawg wrote:
LaMuSayonga wrote:Prepare yourself for the flood of "Retake" responses. But retake is the correct answer here. Bump up your score by 3+ points and you're a lock at one of HYS.


Are you saying a 169/4 or 170/4 is a lock for one of HYS? I don't think LSN supports this.


No one said that.

Simply that retaking the LSAT would mean that his 4.0 doesn't go to waste. With the schools he'd be looking at with a 166, he might as well have a 3.8

A 169/170 gives him a shot as a reverse splitter. if you have a 166/4.0, you're not going to have a good time.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby somewhatwayward » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:31 pm

socrates88 wrote:I'm a reverse splitter with a 166 LSAT with 3.95 from a HYPS UG.

What are my chances at HYS with some nice softs?


I was a 171/3.9 PBK from HYPS and got waitlisted at HYS (I actually probably was close to a lock for my undergrad alma mater but something unfortunate happened that led to my WL, I believe). There is a big difference between a 166 and a 171, though. If you are an H alum and you get yourself to a 170, I believe you will be admitted to HLS given their slight preference for their own undergrads and the down cycle. YS are unpredictable so there is no score where you can be certain, but a 170 would be enough for S if they like the rest of your app.

Sure, you have an outside shot at HYS because you have a 3.95 from HYPS, unlike most 166/3.95s, but why not lock it up and get yourself some big scholarships from the rest of the top 10 schools? I really wish I sat out and retook because I could've at least nabbed a Butler or a Hamilton if I raised my score over 175. Also, did you apply for the Rhodes, Fulbright, Marshall, etc? The Rhodes would help your app to Yale. What are your goals?

Also to the person who said S is not on the level of HYP --------->>>>>> :roll: :roll:

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby romothesavior » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:29 pm

Chances are not good. If you had a few more points, I think they might overlook the below median LSAT, but 166 is just too low. Somewhatwayward sounds like he knows what he's talking about here, so I'd listen to him. I think you need to retake if you want a real shot at HYS.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby juzam_djinn » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:33 pm

stillwater wrote:since when did HPY become HYPS? Stanford doesnt belong in that category.

oh, and retake.


you're kidding yourself if you think S doesn't belong in that category for UG

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby Crowing » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:44 pm

juzam_djinn wrote:
stillwater wrote:since when did HPY become HYPS? Stanford doesnt belong in that category.

oh, and retake.


you're kidding yourself if you think S doesn't belong in that category for UG


Stanford UG is currently tied with MIT and outranked by Columbia and Chicago. So what's the reasoning for including S but not those schools?

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby bernaldiaz » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:46 pm

Crowing wrote:
juzam_djinn wrote:
stillwater wrote:since when did HPY become HYPS? Stanford doesnt belong in that category.

oh, and retake.


you're kidding yourself if you think S doesn't belong in that category for UG


Stanford UG is currently tied with MIT and outranked by Columbia and Chicago. So what's the reasoning for including S but not those schools?


Because USNWR rankings are even more stupid for undergrad than they are for law school

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby RodneyRuxin » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:47 pm

Crowing wrote:
Stanford UG is currently tied with MIT and outranked by Columbia and Chicago. So what's the reasoning for including S but not those schools?



Crowing wrote:its HYPS when OP goes to S


TITCR

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby Crowing » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:53 pm

bernaldiaz wrote:
Crowing wrote:
juzam_djinn wrote:
stillwater wrote:since when did HPY become HYPS? Stanford doesnt belong in that category.

oh, and retake.


you're kidding yourself if you think S doesn't belong in that category for UG


Stanford UG is currently tied with MIT and outranked by Columbia and Chicago. So what's the reasoning for including S but not those schools?


Because USNWR rankings are even more stupid for undergrad than they are for law school


Okay, then what metric says that S is better than those other schools? This is an honest question because I have never been given any reason to perceive it that way.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby stillwater » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:02 pm

I don't dispute S is a great, indeed phenomenal school, but I just think you are shitting in the pool when you lump the 3 finest schools with S. It's a matter of history, East coast bias and everything else that makes them preftigious.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby juzam_djinn » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:42 pm

stillwater wrote:I don't dispute S is a great, indeed phenomenal school, but I just think you are shitting in the pool when you lump the 3 finest schools with S. It's a matter of history, East coast bias and everything else that makes them preftigious.


agreed that east coast bias is a big part of it, but in no way do I see it as diluting the prestige of HYP when including S in there. Additionally, M is also up there

when applying to schools as a UG, the prestige tiers were always HYPSM. That's the "HYS" of UG.

US news rankings are pure shit when it comes to UG. There is literally no way that Chicago or Columbia (or HYP) come close to Stanford in terms of overall departamental strength. MIT blows even S out of the water when it comes to engineering (granted, they are not strong across the board).

I get the feeling that this HYP hype comes from a combination of east coast bias AND TLS bias, given that most law students are former poli sci/english (potentially business) majors who essentially discount engineering and science strengths when thinking about colleges

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby Crowing » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:58 pm

Maybe my perception is a little different because I grew up in the Midwest, but where I'm from Stanford's UG prestige is on more of a "CCN" tier of UGs with schools like Columbia and Chicago. I agree that in terms of overall institutional strength Stanford is incredible and probably second only to Harvard. But talking strictly about UGs, at least where I'm from, it has never been on the same level as HYP.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby juzam_djinn » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:06 am

Crowing wrote:Maybe my perception is a little different because I grew up in the Midwest, but where I'm from Stanford's UG prestige is on more of a "CCN" tier of UGs with schools like Columbia and Chicago. I agree that in terms of overall institutional strength Stanford is incredible and probably second only to Harvard. But talking strictly about UGs, at least where I'm from, it has never been on the same level as HYP.


yeah, perception probably differs depending on location

across the board, for UG programs (including the all important EE/CS classes), S is at the top

prestige-wise, probably HYP has garnered more fame in their longer tenure

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby somewhatwayward » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:23 am

Crowing wrote:Maybe my perception is a little different because I grew up in the Midwest, but where I'm from Stanford's UG prestige is on more of a "CCN" tier of UGs with schools like Columbia and Chicago. I agree that in terms of overall institutional strength Stanford is incredible and probably second only to Harvard. But talking strictly about UGs, at least where I'm from, it has never been on the same level as HYP.


I guess there is some regional bias (although I went to prep school in the NE and we had higher regard for S than you are describing) because Chicago was not considered that great either in my West Coast hometown or my East Coast prep school.....like it was decent but nothing special, certainly not close to Columbia or HYPSM. The people from my high school who went there were middle of the class.

Actually I really disagree that anywhere in the country Stanford's prestige is like Columbia or Chicago....regardless of the quality of the schools, Stanford is higher-profile than either Columbia or Chicago...maybe it is like Stanford>Columbia>>Chicago with Chicago increasing to Columbia's level in the Midwest. The reason is that Stanford is known for its sports in addition to its academics and being well-known is part of the prestige equation. I would be sort of curious to have a poll to ask how many people think Stanford=Columbia=Chicago in terms of undergrad prestige. Maybe my thinking is skewed (I didn't go to Stanford).

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby bizzybone1313 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:27 am

Almost everyone on TLS thinks Stanford Law is leaps and bounds ahead of Columbia Law, which I really don't understand. As I have said before, Columbia has produced a lot more distinguished alumni than Stanford.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby abacus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:42 am

stillwater wrote:since when did HPY become HYPS? Stanford doesnt belong in that category.

oh, and retake.


The Stanford-belittling here is hilarious.

I am a SLS student and am straight up jealous of the experience that these kids are having. Great academics, awesome weather, good sports, and all without the Ivy-style pompousness.

Anyway, why is S included with HYP for undergrad? Because the students who are deciding where to attend see it as a peer (if not a superior option).

Class of 2014 cross-admit yields:
Stanford: Harvard= 38%:62%
Stanford: Yale= 50%:50%
Stanford: Princeton= 63%:37%
Stanford: MIT= 60%:40%


http://mathacle.blogspot.com/2012/01/st ... it-or.html

bizzybone1313 wrote:Almost everyone on TLS thinks Stanford Law is leaps and bounds ahead of Columbia Law, which I really don't understand. As I have said before, Columbia has produced a lot more distinguished alumni than Stanford.


Okay, this is just a misguided way to look at law schools. Sure, Columbia has more famous alums. How does this matter for any prospective law student choosing where to attend or any employer choosing which one to hire? Is there even a single group of people who care about the relative distinction of various schools' alumni?

Alright, I'm done.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby sinfiery » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:36 am

Yes, a very large group infact. They are generally relegated under the term layman .

CLS, dat lay prestige.

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Re: Chances: Reverse splitter from HYPS?

Postby az21833 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:51 pm

very similar background - 4.0 from an ivy although not as good as hyp. i had a 167 from october and retook to 171 in december. in at stanford and i think will be in at harvard (js1 a lil while ago). retake and you will NOT regret it, all you need are a few points. averaging is a giant farse and i applied extremely late in the cycle too. if you retake june and apply early in cycle with a 170, you will do even better than me. i went from considering cornell/georgetown/northwestern to hys. schools like our UG background and our performance there - you just gotta put yourself in the ballpark LSAT wise and they will take you, even if you are below median.




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